“I said mortality.” And then when you were shown to be talking rubbish, you changed the definition. I spelt out your nice sidestepping here https://thestandard.org.nz/labour-to-reform-abortion-law/#comment-1453194. It isn't going away. “Note slide from “...
“You’re the one that brought up a study of suicides a year after an event compared with maternal mortality, and now you criticise me for 30 vs 42 days (and some standards go out to 90 days for perioperative mortality).” No, I criticise you for changing ...
“Every single one of your links projects meaning onto stimulus/response patterns. “ Foetus’ learn language. They respond, interact and engage in planned contact. I’m enjoying your Houdini act though. “That doesn’t make it intentional social interaction” ...
I’m also going to call you out on your delusional rant about mortality. You first claimed: “Look up the mortality rate during childbirth. Compare it with the risks of an abortion. That’s what you’re imposing.” https://thestandard.org.nz/labour-to-reform-...
I’m going to repost your claims: “The thing about communicating with a fetus is that it (allegedly) might respond to familiar stimulus, but there’s no “communication”. https://thestandard.org.nz/labour-to-reform-abortion-law/#comment-1452963 “It does not ...
“Pavlov differed in that opinion.” That doesn’t explain why you made such a silly claim. “And many who have kids, likewise. But that doesn’t mean the decisions, either way, were made impulsively.” No, but it doesn’t rule it out, either. “The impact on the ...
“No, the material you posted shows a response to stimulus. It does not show whether the fetus understands any message, or whether the fetus can send any message to anyone else.” You’re sidestepping and digging a bigger hole at the same time. “In the 1980s,...
"Behaviorally speaking, there's little difference between a newborn baby and a32-week-old fetus." "Birth may be a grand occasion, says the Johns Hopkins University psychologist, but "it is a trivial event in development. Nothing neurologically interesting ...
Why is it any more democratic for the (unelected) unions to have a voice in selecting the Labour party leader than for that selection to be limited to (elected) Caucus members?
“The thing about communicating with a fetus is that it (allegedly) might respond to familiar stimulus, but there’s no “communication”.” The material I posted makes it quite clear there is. You made a ridiculous claim and don't have the integrity to admit ...
“Well duh. Unwanted pregnancy can indicate a pattern of risky behaviour. But what’s the perioperative mortality rate ratio?” That wasn’t your claim, though, was it (see below). “Several months of being forced to incubate, followed by a an increased risk of...
"I was Teaching in one off the State schools that are picking up the pieces from the Whangarei charter school." Yes, PS's are allowed to fail. Hopeless state schools just get money thrown at them. "I leave the “fake news” to the supporters of privatised ...
"Jacinda’s selection was under an emergency too-close-to-the-election..." Indeed, because of the electorally catastrophic leadership of the previously candidate who was the unions choice, not caucus'. "You have to look at a set of results vs the missed ...
“Can’t say I noticed you doing it. But, yeah, well duh – there is a different between human tissue and a person, that’s exactly my point.” Then why bring up skin tags? “You keep referring to “the science” as though it were some trump card you held, rather ...
"So were the skin tags I had removed and that lump the surgeons cut out of me." No, I've already explained the difference between human cells and human life. "You base it on bald assertions..." No, on the science. "I am willing to recognise when something ...
“That is your belief. You have not demonstrated it to be fact.” Yes I have. It is a necessary part of your ideological position that you deny it. IN the face of the evidence. “Look up the maternal mortality rate during childbirth. Compare it with the risks...
Jacinda was elected by Caucus. The processs you describe as "really interesting events" were yawn fests. "The leaders were fine. " No, they weren't. Other wise they would have got more cut through. Jacinda inherited the same party, and put Labour back into...
"The poor are human beings and a part of society. A fetus is neither." The fetus is both! "Additionally, if aiding the poor meant imposing medical procedures on third parties against their will, I would categorically oppose that." No-one is imposing ...
"Not my business, so no ethical dilemma." So nothing that you are directly connected to is your business? Are you poor? If not, the poor are not your business. Are you a victim of crime? If not, the victims of crime are not your business. Are you the ...
"Of course a foetus is likely to become a child if/when a pregnancy goes full term. The relevant part being that it is not actually a child (or any other variant of “person” that you might use) until then, which is why we have the terms “blastocyte,” “...
"It has more in common with a cancer than it even has with a toddler." So you, as with most pro-abortion lobbyists, refuse to address the ethical dilemma posed. I'm not surprised you argue around the fringes when you have so little to debate with.
"Charter schools, so far in New Zealand have combined rote, regimented learning with high exclusion and expulsion rates. Just like the USA." No, they don't. More lies.
"Then I’d like to see the definition of “human being” listed in “The American Heritage Dictionary of Science”, please. In it’s entirety." You interest me. Why? "Does that mean that a sea urchin zygote is a human organism?" No. "Because literally every ...
“Otherwise you wouldn’t have had to swap dictionaries and ditch the “scientific” dictionary.”" I didn’t. I gave you some options. More than one. “The slide your antiabortion site uses is conflating two definitions from merriam-webster into one. A single-...
"There is no “killing a human being” to have a dilemma about. A new person exists at the end of a pregnancy..." You're deploying terminology to justify killing, as if by debating the semantics of 'personhood' somehow let's you off the ethical hook. The ...
"There’s no gap in the logic itself, apart from that yawning chasm where you just declare that “science” says a single-celled organism is a person, and those of us who have a basic grasp of science and logic face-palm and exclaim “What the fuck?”" Then ...
“Then you’d be able to provide an accurate scientific definition from a scientific dictionary.” I already have. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/human. “You claimed you’d linked to scientific perspectives.” That’s right. https://thestandard...
It took Labour four leaders (Goff, Shearer, Cunliffe and Little - Dopey, Bashful, Sleezy and Grumpy) and 9 years before they found the right leader. I have no particular confidence National will do any better.
"Logical gap: premise 1. Calling a microorganism a person is, on the face of it, just plain wrong. That premise requires its own argument, in which you demonstrate how a microorganism (or, more generally, something that’s inside a person’s body) is itself ...
"Actually, prolife organisations might not be the most impartial place to get your list of out-of-context mentions of what “science says”." Actually I'm more interested in accuracy than confirmation bias. "The Charlotte Lozier Institute is the 501(c)(3) ...
You're drawing a false dichotomy. Who said any one individual should make this decision? This is a decision for society to make, not any individual or group alone. This goes to heart of how we value life, and how that speaks to our society as a whole. ...
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