Te Whare Pounamu #1

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1. Molly 1

   2 September 2019 at 10:30 am

   No comment on Te Whare Pounamu – just good to see you back on TS, Bill.
   • Bill 1.1

     2 September 2019 at 10:35 am

     Thank you Molly. Unlike my previous brief return of a few months back, the decks have been cleared to the extent I should be in a position to make on-going and regular contributions.
2. marty mars 2

   2 September 2019 at 10:40 am

   It has a Māori name – not sure it is a Māori organisation – may pay to check that.

   Nice you're back.
   • Molly 2.1

     2 September 2019 at 10:46 am

     Snap.

     I've just been looking into that as well, and can't find any information regarding it being a kaupapa Māori organisation – just a branch of the national Women's Refuge.
     • Rosemary McDonald 2.1.1

       2 September 2019 at 12:35 pm

       I had a quick gander at their FB page (ignoring the full screen invites to actually join Faceache).

       A Maori name and a few 'nga mihi's doth not a kaupapa Maori organisation make.
     • greywarshark 2.1.2

       2 September 2019 at 5:26 pm

       Is it a sort of brownwash that RW efficiency experts give Maori names to lead agencies that are targeted at delivering welfare? Oranga Tamariki, if it messes up becomes, in people's minds, a Maori mess-up.

       I think the system needs changing and fast – that is the system of contracting to do things and having to report on use of each paperclip almost. The welfare organisations used to apply for grants and were expected to be doing what they said they would, and report on their activities, and no doubt were inspected.

       But these days welfare puts people through the wringer and then may drop them after they have been successful for a number of years and been a bulwark to their society.
   • Bill 2.2

     2 September 2019 at 11:00 am

     From this link – "In 2018 the National Collective of Independent Women’s Refuges (NCIWR) was made up of over 40 independent Refuges, including 13 kaupapa Māori Refuges, which continued to meet a high level of need."

     My understanding is that Te Whare Pounamu is one of the 13 kaupapa Māori Refuges.

     The history of Women's Refuge in Dunedin is a bit fraught. My understanding is that there used to be two refuges and that Te Whare Pounamu subsumed the non-Māori refuge for reasons I'm not really knowledgeable enough about to go into here.

     In relation to the potential for racists to get all up in arms "because Māori" – I reckon the name itself would be enough for them regardless of what actual facts on the ground may be. 🙁
3. adam 3

   2 September 2019 at 12:02 pm

   There is also a culture of troughing in the upper management of these social services. People who see this see the social service as an industry they can get a easy high salary out of.

   In the disability sector to many organisations are full of abled bodied manages getting paid ridiculous high salaries, making them even more out of touch of the people the are 'helping'.

   The ceo of CCS disability action is the one I thought of first. But he is just one among a few sitting at the top of a very nasty culture. I think why I thought CCS Bill was they are doing the similar thing to their staff in Auckland at the moment – coupled with trying to remove any vistage of kaupapa Māori.
   • Rosemary McDonald 3.1

     2 September 2019 at 12:33 pm

     There is also a culture of troughing in the upper management of these social services. People who see this see the social service as an industry they can get a easy high salary out of.

     In the disability sector to many organisations are full of abled bodied manages getting paid ridiculous high salaries, making them even more out of touch of the people the are 'helping'.

     Thank you, adam. I was mentally listing the disability 'charities' who could be similarly challenged on their culture while listening to this unfold on Natrad this morning.

     Perhaps this is an appropriate time to link to this… https://www.victoria.ac.nz/sacs/pdf-files/Fears-constraints-and-contracts-Grey-and-Sedgwick-2014.pdf … again.

     Describes how, amoungst other things, grass roots charities morphed into scrabbling corporates under the influence of government funding.
     • greywarshark 3.1.1

       2 September 2019 at 5:32 pm

       I noted this from adam too.

       There is also a culture of troughing in the upper management of these social services. People who see this see the social service as an industry they can get a easy high salary out of.

       In this country economy everything is up for grabs for profit-making businesses. Even not-for-profit businesses can pay a nice management salary to the owner. Things are bad when hospital CEOs have their own businesses supplying to the hospital they are managing. Government should be in control, the lead manager, and any contracting out to an agency should have to be answerable to the government. Somehow it has got to be the other way round.

       Councils also need to have more say in what the administration do.
4. florabunda 4

   2 September 2019 at 1:27 pm

   Some of these organisations purporting to make life easier for people with a range of disabilities by finding employment, advising re accessibility. training etc have morphed into wealthy Auckland charitable Trusts top-heavy with well-paid CEOs and managers (often people with mild disabilities themselves) supported by Boards of well-known, well-meaning citizens who do not feel they need to ask hard questions about what these Trusts actually achieve. They should.
5. A 5

   2 September 2019 at 2:39 pm

   "It was considered normal and ok to just help oneself to donations that were coming through the door," she said." [Link from RNZ above]

   This is fairly common in charities. Salvation Army springs to mind.

   Inflating figures to be more certain of funding seems to be a desperate attempt to get what is needed in a stressful funding environment. In other words, as bad as it seems it doesn’t surprise or shock me.
6. Im right 6

   2 September 2019 at 4:33 pm

   Ha! Look at you all….more concerned about whether it's a Maori outfit or not, you all crossing your fingers and hoping it's run by non Maori and therefore not Maori stealing from a refuge….would that make you all feel better? If its non Maori stealing you can all pile in and say what dreadful awfull human beings to do that! But hold fire incase it's Maori run….can't be seen piling into Maori like that! 🤔
   • Bill 6.1

     2 September 2019 at 5:01 pm

     And the context that the post seeks to provide puts the lie to that nonsense and bullshit you're asserting.

     An organisation that claims to assist abused people is abusing people. End.
   • koreropono 6.2

     2 September 2019 at 5:27 pm

     I think the point of the post was to highlight the issue of abuse rather than making this a 'racial' issue and avoid comments like yours that want to racialise the issue. Frankly when writers can't deal with the substantive issue (organisational culture) but instead choose to codify it as something racial, well that smacks of low level intellect. Just saying.
7. RedBaronCv 7

   2 September 2019 at 7:40 pm

   Talking of charity- government funding & a trough.The so called white ribbon charity appeared to exist solely on a government grant, no need to line up grass roots support and the bulk of the funding seemed to go on on well paid exec & a bit of part time help. I could be wrongly interpreting but the the charities commision website has spme interesting struff on it.
8. gsays 8

   3 September 2019 at 12:10 pm

   We have a bully in our kitchen brigade. The difference when they are there and not there is remarkable.

   There have been two written complaints in 10 days from workmates.

   One of the business directors is doing an investigation.

   I have some empathy for the bully as anxiety is part of their make-up and I was reminded by a mate to remember the bully is the first victim.

   Also, welcome back Bill.

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