The false left anti road narrative

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1. Visubversa 1

   28 May 2019 at 8:36 am

   Promoted waaay beyound his level of competancy. Stuck in the 1980's. Knows nothing about modern traffic management. We know where you came from Shane, we know where you went, and whose credit card you used when you were there.
2. Irascible 2

   28 May 2019 at 8:49 am

   I've had difficulty finding consistency in Shane's positions on issues of the day. This is one of his veer hard right narratives similar to Pagini spun opinions given credence by the media.
3. Peter 3

   28 May 2019 at 9:12 am

   Newsroom wanting to be considered a serious source of serious information with intelligent opinion should do this: put Shane Te Pou on a one way, no way back, rickety road and give him a bike with a flat tyre and bent wheel and tell him to keep riding.
4. ianmac 4

   28 May 2019 at 9:18 am

   Shane, like Bryce Edwards has managed a huge about face. Simon Bridges must be very proud of their support.
5. Sacha 5

   28 May 2019 at 9:21 am

   Who has been feeding him these outdated notions?
   • Muttonbird 5.1

     28 May 2019 at 9:25 am

     This.

     It's well known the National Party has bulging coffers. What to do with all that money?

     I know, hire some ex-Labour 'consultants' to push our agenda…
     • Sacha 5.1.1

       28 May 2019 at 9:27 am

       I believe Shane may have been hanging out with NZ First people. Doubt any money has changed hands.
       • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1

         28 May 2019 at 9:28 am

         Same thing really.
6. cleangreen 6

   28 May 2019 at 9:27 am

   With all respect to ‘Shane te Pou’ – he needs to observe what road transport is doiing to our climate, with roads using oil to build them with tar and bitchumen and road vehicles all use tyres made from oil also, so we are heavily involved now with using oil for just road transport; – wheras rail uses none of these with no tar or tyres but rail can easily be converted to electric and then rail will reduce all our climate emissions as the government this week was warned that it will miss the target it set to lower the emissios it set in Paris.

   Read this please Shane;

   This week we saw this stark warning to Government that was received on 16th May but it was kept quiet, but now needs the light of day.

   http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1905/S00132/current-2030-emissions-targets-unlikely-to-be-met.htm

   First published in Energy and Environment on May 16, 2019.

   Quote; “Officials have told ministers NZ is not on track to meet is current commitments under the Paris Agreement.
   NZ has agreed under the Paris Agreement to a Nationally Determined Contribution of reducing emissions by 30% below 2005 levels (equivalent to 11% of 1990 levels) by 2030.
   In the climate change legislation Regulatory Impact Assessment, Officials said: “NZ cannot rely on afforestation to deliver the necessary offsets over the next twelve years to meet its NDC, or on major innovations being market-ready and adopted (such as a methane vaccine or widespread adoption of electric or autonomous vehicles).” ; Unquote.

   So; we already know that rail freight can lower freight emissions five to eight times less than road freight, moving the same size and weight of freight, so we are now requesting to Government to use rail more actively now to lower our emissions.

   Government already know that rail is the answer here and the right thing to do when they received the hidden document that the National government had requested from (EY) Economic & Financial consultants for Kiwi Rail in 2016. – That document showed that Rail saved our economy $1.5 Billion Dollars every year then. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11948096

   Quote The benefits far exceed what the taxpayer is spending on rail, KiwiRail chairman Trevor Janes says. The largest contribution rail was making was the reduction of road use, he said.
   “Rail is taking cars off the road and it’s taking trucks off the road. That is saving the country $1.3 billion a year because it cuts congestion for all road users, including other freight movers,” Janes said.
   “Using rail cuts New Zealand’s carbon emissions by 488,000 tonnes a year. That is the equivalent of taking 87,000 cars off the road, saving millions of dollars,” he said.
   “Rail freight has 66 per cent fewer carbon emissions than heavy road freight which is useful for New Zealand reaching its ambitious climate change targets.”
   The study found that without rail there would be an additional 100,000 daily car trips on the road each year – the equivalent of 76 million light vehicle hours reduced through rail, and 57 million of those hours were on Auckland roads. Unquote

   National instead kept encouraging yet more trucks onto our roads, so If we continue on this path to use more trucks at 10% more trucks every year instead of using less, who will pay for the carbon emissions if we exceed our Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) emissions target?

   Government are now buying overseas ‘carbon credits’ to keep our emission target within the limits and the cost per carbon credit is about to massively increase shortly according to warnings sent in the brief to Government.

   Whereas each tonne of carbon was about $25 to $85 dollars in the past, it will rise to over $850 a tonne in the future, claim the report so we as taxpayers will wind up being bankrupted by subsidising truck freight companies continuing to use roads to move freight.

   So our governments best plan should be to offer the road freight companies an incentive to use rail to move their customers freight to our export ports rather than road freighting it, which causes many negative effects of road noise and pollution for residents to contends with.
   • New view 6.1

     28 May 2019 at 10:19 am

     Clean green. The argument of trucks versus rail stands up when talking of road congestion only. Trucks will be electric powered at some stage and all goods moved by train have to be double handled on to trucks at the journeys end creating concentrated congestion in our cities regardless. The double handling creates cost increases for consumers. I suggest if you are going to quote all those figures you should quote the whole story not half of it.
     • mauī 6.1.1

       28 May 2019 at 1:07 pm

       Surprise, surprise the history of transport shows most goods are typically double handled. Trains are not unique in this respect, and provide greater efficiencies.

       No, the most important trucks cannot be electrified, unless you've figured out some magical way to power 50 tonnes of truck for 500km… Without that you have a trucking industry fully dependent on rail or ships and the price of fuel.
       • Molly 6.1.1.1

         28 May 2019 at 3:37 pm

         Mercedes and Renault are already trialling electric trucks in Europe, with the target if them being comnercually available within a decade.
         • New view 6.1.1.1.1

           28 May 2019 at 9:47 pm

           Thanks Molly. I didn’t have the energy to argue the point.
     • KJT 6.1.2

       29 May 2019 at 7:37 am

       You don't know much about how transport works, do you?

       Typically all but full loads, which are more often railed or shipped in containers anyway, are trucked from depot to depot.

       Whether it is truck rail or ship, it is nearly all double handled.
7. mauī 7

   28 May 2019 at 9:28 am

   It's funny because what I see after decades of giving roads priority funding the queues of traffic are getting longer and slower. But, but, but… a year of the Greens and it's all their fault!

   If he lived in the real world he might blame the developers and councils who thought new suburbs on the outskirts that lock people into car use were a great idea.
8. marty mars 8

   28 May 2019 at 9:33 am

   a dumbarse and selfish – not very great at all
9. Rapunzel 9

   28 May 2019 at 9:38 am

   Mr Te Pou has also turned up on "MagicTalk", the most biased load of bunkum radio you will find, afew months back and made other "reckons" about the "Labour Party" he left long ago, to try to have some relevance.

   Most comentary comes to you through a series of puppeteers with agendas pulling the strings of the puppets who believe they are more than just cannon fodder.
10. Pierre 10

    28 May 2019 at 9:47 am

    I think induced demand can otherwise be described as 'compounded dispersal of destinations' – more space given over to roads and car parking means destinations are dispersed further away from one another. Urban density drops, journeys get longer, more amenities drop out of efficient walking/cycling distance… which pushes more people to drive
11. Psycho Milt 11

    28 May 2019 at 9:54 am

    I think it's that same thing feminists describe in which men in traditionally male groups claim women's voices are "dominating" a meeting, merely by virtue of there being a couple of women's voices in the room. Labour and the Greens are actually willing to do some spending on public transport and pedestrian/cycle ways, therefore non-users of those transport methods see them as "dominating" the spending. The fact it's only a small fraction of the spending is irrelevant to their hurt feelings.
12. Psycho Milt 12

    28 May 2019 at 10:01 am

    Induced demand: 30 years ago I hardly ever made a day trip from Palmerston North to Wellington because the drive was such a pain in the arse. Now I quite often drive down there, because roading improvements have made the trip 15 minutes quicker and a much easier drive. Despite all the improvements the traffic congestion is about the same, for obvious reasons.
    • Dukeofurl 12.1

      28 May 2019 at 4:00 pm

      Cars are much better too, and more economical on long distance trips. Who wanted to drive that far in a Hillman Avenger 30 years ago ?. awful seating , noise/ vibration not a patch on todays cars,
13. tc 13

    28 May 2019 at 10:54 am

    Josie Pagani agrees with him ……that sums this whole shitshow that we call 'media' up.

    Paid opinionators singing for their supper…….more mediwonks bs.
14. Timeforacupoftea 14

    28 May 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Budget LEAKS everywhere, the poor girl must be feeling sick !

    By the time Jacinda's Labour Pardy share the budget cash out to The Greens and New Zealand First theres nothing left in the pot for themselves like Child Poverty etc.

    This is surely not going to get Labour back in power come election time.

    
    • jpwood 14.1

      28 May 2019 at 7:17 pm

      Nice threadjack, so subtle.
    • joe90 14.2

      28 May 2019 at 7:20 pm

      Ardern lives in the heads of semi-literate cretins like yourself, doesn't she?
15. Craig H 15

    28 May 2019 at 8:20 pm

    Induced demand is an issue, but a complementary path would be to stop centralising everything so that people can't walk or bike as easily as in the past.

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