The Far Right’s Winning Narrative Superiority

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Why do they win?

Why is it that the far-right populists have done so much better than the left out of the rolling GFC and government spending austerity-induced rolling crises across European and U.S. society? The French Rassamblement National (formerly Front National), the Dutch FreedomParty, the German AfD, the Italian Lega, and other in Hungary, Poland, Austria etc, have all mobilized voters across the political spectrum and have all made actual government very unstable. They even took a big chunk of the European Parliament this year.

There are few left equivalents, with exceptions.

After the rise of Trump, Cameron and now Johnson, milder conservative parties have successfully adopted hard-right nationalist narrative techniques.

Why?

Is it really a great backlash against inchoate social grievances?

Did the near-death of European Christianity and death of Communism form a resonant void of value that liberative movements since the 1970s have not replaced, a need so great that only nostalgia for unconfused power and ethnic purity can successfully respond? (In Italy they even revolt against the Pope for being too liberal).

Surely the left was better positioned to rise in response to sustained economic and social crisis and loss of centres of social value and coherence?

Why, instead, has the strong left shrunken to near-nothing most everywhere?

Time and again, the rise of far-right populism is a generation-altering lesson in which messages are shaped to make them more appealing to broader and broader sectors of the population. Trump’s team learnt their winning lessons from Europe’s own hard-right successes, and now lead a Republic Party more extreme than UKIP.

The implications for the last remaining movements of the global left are of paramount importance: instead of co-opting or imitating far-right populists under the false assumption that their success simply mirrors the will of the people, we need to get underneath the car to figure how parties themselves shape popular demand.

(I’m certainly not making any points about their success forming governments or implementing policies. Generally so far they fail.)

Far-right populism is not simply demand-driven. Multiple insecurities – including cultural as well as economic and personal – indeed drive voter preferences. While these insecurities offer opportunities for political parties, however, they are not enough in themselves to warrant a party’s success. This is where supply comes in: how parties seize these opportunities is crucial in understanding the electoral appeal of far-right populists across a broad range of social and attitudinal groups.

It’s the messaging that is key to understanding the breadth of their electoral appeal. Certain far-right populist parties in western and northern Europe have proved able to tailor their message to extend support beyond their secure voting base of ‘angry white men’ in precarious employment with low levels of education, through a normalisation strategy. This distances them from fascism and association with right-wing extremism, so that they appear legitimate to a spectrum of voters, including those who would be uncomfortable opting for an explicitly racist party.

While diverse, these parties share an important commonality: they all justify a variety of policy positions on socio-economic issues on the basis of an ideology which draws on purported faultlines between the ingroup and outgroups. They advance a vision of democracy which prioritises the in-group, in terms of policy and provision of common goods. And at the core of this argument is civic nationalism.

What makes far-right populist parties successful is precisely their nationalist message – more specifically, the ways in which they justify the exclusion of the outgroup. This is no longer in terms of ascriptive or genetic criteria (as deployed by fascist or conventional extreme-right parties) but rather is done through civic distinctions – seeking to exclude those who supposedly do not espouse ‘our’ values of democracy and tolerance. Through this civic-nationalist narrative, far-right populists normalise exclusion: they offer solutions to voters’ multiple insecurities by using a rhetoric that excludes a variety of population groups on the basis that they are a purported threat to society’s value consensus, and hence to stability and prosperity.

The adoption of this form of civic nationalism, which excludes on the basis of ideological rather than biological criteria of national belonging, is the far-right populist party’s new ‘winning formula’, permitting it to appeal to a wide spread of social groups with different backgrounds and preferences. From Marine Le Pen’s embrace of French republicanism and laïcité to the AfD’s anti-Muslim campaign, what these parties have in common in the way in which they present culture as about adherence to
purportedly national values.

This makes them harder to beat, and helps explain the surging support for some of these parties across multiple countries in the last three years in particular. (This does feel pretty weird from New Zealand, which uses hyper-tolerance to mask some of the deepest social problems in the developed world. Our own repressed national narrative of virtuous tolerance makes for a somewhat of a lonely archipelago. We launched the Team New Zealand boat yesterday and we’re two weeks from a Rugby World Cup, without a flicker yet in the national pulse).

The European and U.S. far-right populists are certainly unstable, and
as in the U.K., their extremism can be successfully co-opted by the
larger conservative parties. Check this out from 2015: David Cameron
whipping up a particular kind of divisive nationalism, not caring if
it splits the country. And so it goes.

They learn, and they win or get close, again and again.

Not all far-right populists have adopted the civic narrative. They differ significantly in agenda and policy – especially economic and welfare policies – as well as on their stance towards democracy and the extent to which they employ violent practices. More extreme instances, drawing on ethnic-nationalist discourses, still compete in a number of European countries, mainly in Eastern Europe. Hence far-right populist parties are significantly ideologically divided.

But this isn’t about why they are so shit. This is only about why they rise and win.

While not a new phenomenon, (some) far-right populist parties present a new social challenge through their adoption of civic-nationalist narratives. As opposed to fascist parties or extreme-right variants, which tend to be ostracised and isolated, they are able to permeate the mainstream and in many ways drive party competition. Scapegoat the out group, justify its exclusion on (seemingly) non-racist grounds, legitimize positions, appear to mirror popular demand. Wrinse and repeat.

The problem is not only these parties’ electoral gains – which vary across country and time – but also the increasing consensus that to defeat them we must imitate them. This is deeply problematic. Those opposed to far-right populists need to understand this new winning formula and recognise their own ability, as well as responsibility, to frame an effective alternative political narrative, rather than sanitise the populists.

The search for a winning formula for the remaining left parties found one glimpse this year when the Social Democrats won in Denmark this year. “Dear young people, you made this election the first climate election in Denmark’s history,” 41-year-old leader Mette Frederiksen said in her victory speech in front of a cheering crowd on Wednesday night. It was also however the acceptance of a very anti-immigration stance by the left and by a great majority of voters.

They got the youth with climate, but they won by stealing votes from the Danish People’s Party.

The right now wins by redefining the nations’ exclusionary borders within the civic imagination.

That’s the formula.

132 comments on “The Far Right’s Winning Narrative Superiority”

  1. UncookedSelachimorpha 1

    Very interesting post, and an excellent question.

    Resources probably play a significant role, especially living in an age when public opinion is quite easily bought, via influence of social and other media. The right (you can arguably include the current establishment democrats, and even NZ Labour to a large extent) usually operates in the interest of entrenched wealth and so tend to have a lot more money available to achieve their political goals and desired societal opinions.

    Also the right have been brilliant at making simple (even if wrong) arguments that appeal to instinct rather than intellect. For example "low taxes put more money in your pocket" sounds instinctively right. Never mind that the actual result might be to put far less resources in the pockets of most – that is true but takes a lot more explaining!

     

     

    • Anne 1.1

      The right (you can arguably include the current establishment democrats, and even NZ Labour to a large extent) usually operates in the interest of entrenched wealth and so tend to have a lot more money available to achieve their political goals and desired social opinion.

      Oh come on. Labour might not be far enough left for some people, but to claim they operate in the interest of entrenched wealth and so have a lot more money available is plain nonsense. Labour has always struggled to have enough money to run successful election campaigns – one of the major causes of the demise of left-of-centre, social democratic parties around the world.

      They can't compete with billionaires' funding right-wing campaigns of lies, false premises and praying on the fears/prejudices of a fickle and gullible public. 

      • UncookedSelachimorpha 1.1.1

        Labour do attract donations from business and the super-wealthy (e.g. Owen Glenn), although much less than National, and I suspect Labour get more from those sources than 'lefter' parties such as the greens. I know a few wealthy CEO / executive types, most adore National, dislike Labour and all absolutely detest the Greens.

        While Labour continue to do little to seriously address poverty and inequality – then yes, they are acting in the interests of entrenched wealth, in my opinion. The RNZ article today on the coalition's performance in relation to poverty and welfare describes how little they are actually doing.

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018711947/solo-mums-on-benefits-having-to-decide-between-food-and-fuel

        I completely agree Labour is a significant improvement on the previous National crowd – but that is a very, very low bar.

        • Anne 1.1.1.1

          So, what is holding up this Labour-led government?  Two words – NZ First.

          Now we had better shut up because we're veering off track. 🙂

        • Ed1 1.1.1.2

          It may be a low bar, but the current government has significant restraints on moving quickly across a wide range of areas that were neglected during the Key/English governments. In particular the self-imposed (but arguably critical to election) promises regarding tax rates and borrowing restrict action in this term, but there have also been surprises such as the mouldy hospitals and now the $1 billion for Southern Response. Add in that National's asset sales represented a transfer of wealth from government to wealthy individuals, many of them overseas – that reduced government capacity to deal with the unexpected, and the worsening international position.

          So it is easy to say that the relatively large transfers of spending to areas of high need are not good enough, but if you want more spending on say solo mums benefits, then where would you reduce government spending to enable that to happen?

           

          • Ad 1.1.1.2.1

            Labour will still lead a second term here no problem. 

          • UncookedSelachimorpha 1.1.1.2.2

            “but if you want more spending on say solo mums benefits, then where would you reduce government spending to enable that to happen?”

            Actually I would increase government spending overall, not reduce somewhere else. Only need to cut if you have imposed some arbitrary rules on yourself that are based solely on myths and ideology (fiscal responsibility rules ring a bell?).

            It is true some of the resources of society may need redirecting – and to the extent the government does not have access to those resources, targeted revenue raising may be necessary. Bank profits in NZ are about $14m per day and the richest 10% of kiwis own 50% of the wealth. So there is plenty of scope to raise revenue while having only modest impacts on only those who can readily afford it.

            • Pat 1.1.1.2.2.1

              Thats true enough (with caveats),,,,but there is no sign any (major) party is willing to offer that as an option

    • Adrian Thornton 1.2

      "The right (you can arguably include the current establishment democrats, and even NZ Labour to a large extent) usually operates in the interest of entrenched wealth and so tend to have a lot more money available to achieve their political goals and desired societal opinions.""

      You are exactly right , except there is no argument about it.

      Just look at Milt/Andre etc begging on bended knees for Labour in NZ to really get in and lick the arse of 'middle NZ' to stay in power, it is people like them who are the problem on the Left, the youth, the poor and working classes don’t trust NZ Labour for good reason.
      It is very simple, the institutions of the western Left were taken over during the late seventies and early eighties by a hostile foreign entity in the form of  the Liberal ideology, that political ideology that is nothing much more than a political ponzi scheme has run it's course.  It gave a lot working class and middle class of people wealth that they would never have achieved otherwise, but that is over..now we are only left with destructive fallout out from such a short sighted and selfish ideology…that is why the Right resonate..except of course were there is a viable real Left alternitive, ie Corbyn/Sanders who have both proved to be able to get plenty of cut through to the under 50's, but of course all the third way Lefties can't or won't admit this obvious fact.

      • Andre 1.2.1

        So if there's this vast unmet need for a political party with policies lefter than Labour, and that Labour isn't adopting those policies is depressing Labour's vote share, how about starting up a party to meet that need?

        It's not hard in New Zealand, all you need to get is 5% of the vote (that's going to be just a bit over 130,000 votes), or win an electorate. If those lefty ideas are so popular, then winning a lefty stronghold with an uninspiring incumbent shouldn't be that hard. Say Dunedin South or Wigram.

        • UncookedSelachimorpha 1.2.1.1

          Left-wing ideas tend to be popular among voters, but supposedly left-wing parties not so much.

          The Sanders / Corbyn voting phenomenon (unsuccessful to date, but more popular than expected) may demonstrate there is a demand for left-wing policies – but no 'mainstream' parties have had them on offer previously.

          • Andre 1.2.1.1.1

            Five years ago Labour went into the election with the leftest leader and leftest policy platform they've had for a long time. How'd that work out for them?

            Two years ago Labour had quite a lefty leader that looked committed to old-skool lefty ideas and policies. Then they changed to a committed liberal incrementalist. Do you recall why they made that change and what happened to their popularity before and after?

          • KJT 1.2.1.1.2

            Exactly why we should be able to vote for policies.

            Being able to change the label on the Dictatorship is not, Democracy.

        • Adrian Thornton 1.2.1.2

          There is a vast unmet need for a Left Labour alternative in NZ.

          I, like many were hoping to see Helen Kelly wrest back control of the party, as Corbyn has done in the UK, and hopefully we will see Sanders do in the US, I have no idea how or who will lead that inevitable shift Left for Labour, but it will come.

          BTW..It is not a matter that Labour isn't " adopting those policies is depressing Labour's vote share " they can't adopt the polices of a real progressive traditional Left party because they are not one themselves..they are Liberal Third Way, that is the overarching ideology that directs and governs every policy that they have and will create, end of story.

          • The Al1en 1.2.1.2.1

            Unmet by who? Given labour and the nats poll in and around the 40% mark and the greens and nz1st pick up 10 to 15 percent, where's the constituency for your "Left Labour alternative" coming from?

          • Andre 1.2.1.2.2

            So if Labour aren't a "left" party and won't ever be because, well, they aren't left, then why try to "Turn Labour Left"? Trying to get them to be something they aren't just isn't going to work, phonyism is hardly ever a successful strategy.

            When it comes to the idea of a vast unmet need on the left side of politics, the best way to prove your point is to, well, prove your point. Stop whining and start doing. By your reckons, there's hordes out there just waiting for someone to raise the banner they will rally to. Go and be the banner-raiser.

            • Adrian Thornton 1.2.1.2.2.1

              Man that's a pretty infantile response…don't like it, go and start your own party, really?

              You are right about one thing though, " phonyism is hardly ever a successful strategy." yep, just look at your third way liberal Labour now, struggling against a National Party with the most unpopular leader in probably their entire history.. which is actually unsurprising as who the fuck knows what they stand for?…a phony Labour that becomes more and more irrelevant and discredited with NZ citizens with each passing week…a party that offers little vision no answers and inspires no one… "relentlessly positive" what a joke.

              https://www.colmarbrunton.co.nz/what-we-do/1-news-poll/

               

  2. Stuart Munro. 2

    Hmm – civic nationalism, if it has escaped your attention, is the job of a democratic government. You are NOT appointed to advocate on behalf of other polities or populations, but to govern responsibly on behalf of your extant citizens.

    When kiwis see Wellington bus drivers lose their jobs and replaced by Filipinos by a fith council, who somehow corruptly obtain work permits for them in spite of the manifest fact that kiwis were and are available to drive those vehicles if you pay them, without a comeuppance, well, you lose votes by the truckload. And by golly you deserve to.

    This is what drives popular support for the likes of Brexit – irresponsible, feckless government, without a plan and without apology.

    There's nothing right wing about that – you've been stuffing a policy down public throats without the ghost of a mandate or a thought to the consequences.

     

    • Ad 2.1

      That paragraph on Wellington's Filipino bus drivers is one of the most textbook pieces of civic othering I've seen in recent years. 

      But top work for the lack of irony or a mote of self-analysis.

      • Stuart Munro. 2.1.1

        And your reply is classic irresponsible governance – othering the kiwi drivers who you've thrown out of work, for no fault.

        It doesn't matter whether the replacements are Filipino or Pakistani or Tajikh – it matters that the people you are paid and sworn to represent have lost their jobs to a corrupt employer's preference for cheap foreign labour.

        On your watch, and you not only don't give a fuck, but actually have the colossal arrogance to blame anyone who criticizes you for your manifest irresponsibility. 

        Who do you suppose those kiwi bus drivers and their families are going to vote for? Do you expect them to thank you for screwing them over so that you can pretend to some form of internationalism? Reckon they won't.

        • Ad 2.1.1.1

          OMG you have taken a post which went to some pains to show that New Zealand was an outlier from the entire European and U.S. political theatre and so far the argument about the far right doesn't apply to, and turn it into something about Wellington bus drivers. 

          That is impressively dumb. 

          If you want to try applying the argument I went through above about Europe and the U.S. to New Zealand, you would have to start by answering some of the rhetorical questions that you raised yourself. 

          Go right ahead.

          • Stuart Munro. 2.1.1.1.1

            Actually the boot is on your foot – to show us how we differ from the errors the Left is making abroad. Polish plumbers/Wellington bus drivers/US steelworkers the issues are the same, and the governments ostensibly of the Left making the same mistakes, then blaming the victims that complain.

            • Dukeofurl 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Wellington Busdrivers – US steel workers?

              I think you dont know the difference  between service workers and  those that make basic commodities.

              What is important is the ' work visa' bus drivers are  just following an old tradition of  imported indentured labour for the  Company.

              The Pacific has a long history of that ( without looking to Poland or US for a dubious comparison)

              • Stuart Munro.

                The Pacific traditions are neither here nor there, and we're probably going to need to prepare to accommodate a large cohort of Pacific climate refugees in any case.

                The issue is the fraudulent abuse of Immigration rules, which require that no suitable local workers are available before permits are granted, and the impact of this on the inoffensive local drivers who lost out.

                • Ad

                  Our system of immigration is another excellent reason there's so little political discord in New Zealand politics.

                  • Stuart Munro.

                    Not really – the reason is collusion in the systematic defrauding of it by the major parties. The Gnats are enamoured of cheap foreign labour for dairy and horticulture (and fishing), sufficiently so to arrange that large scale systematic breaches were never addressed while they were in power.

                    Labour is silent on the subject, trying to get industry onside by causing as little disruption to existing practices as possible (even when they're illegal), and strong arming NZF to toe that line.

                    The only losers are NZ workers, and anyone foolish enough to imagine that the law as written will be followed in any way shape or form.

                    NZ has four times the per capita immigration rate that causes massive problems in the UK and US, and the only reason that hasn't caused equivalent problems is that, contrary to Taika Waititi's assertion, NZ is not "as racist as fuck", but remarkably tolerant by international standards. That tolerance is being exploited by our feckless corporates and their political toadies.

                    • Ad

                      New Zealand social tolerance is important to immigration, but it's not some innate local character. It certainly doesn't bother us enough to show up in any political policy or populist uprising. 

                      Last time we had a politician do a reasonable tilt at ethnicity in general was Don Brash's Orewa speech in October 2004 15 years ago. 

            • Ad 2.1.1.1.1.2

              We're doing fine, our government is doing fine, and  there is no complaints anywhere: the government is popular, and delivering, and prepared for the next recession. 

              There you go. 

              The Clark government set most of the recovery from structural adjustment up, and New Zealand recovered from the GFC with a boom that lasted a decade and is only now going back to a simmer. 

              So our politics reflect all of that. 

              If you can show me some grand rise in the hard right here as you are claiming, you need to provide that evidence.

              • Stuart Munro.

                Hey – you posed the question.

                No, we are not doing fine. The structural economic injustices that are dehousing New Zealanders haven't stopped. I'm not even sure they've slowed down.

                You asked why the hard Right prosper – it's because the traditional representatives of the Left are not offering economic and social justice. Not all those affected will swing Right – plenty simply won't vote. Or kill themselves.

                You might consider how many of the breaches of Immigration rules discovered on the change in government resulted in serious punishment to the wrongdoing employers. A few fines were doled out, but many got off with a temporary suspension of access to foreign workers – hard to imagine a wetter bus ticket to slap them with.

                • Ad

                  We're doing fine enough to have our only political shift across any one year being 3-4% between the two centrist parties, and .5-2% among the minor parties. 

                  No one is bothered by immigration to make any note in political support, and absolutely nothing near the kind of extremism that has arisen in Europe, UK, and the U.S.

                  • Stuart Munro.

                    There's your problem right there – you need to follow the dissatisfaction at the human rather than the numerical level.

                    The immigration rate is wildly excessive and brings with it a number of related problems – housing shortages and unaffordability. Declining working conditions like split shifts for bus drivers and stagnant median wage growth. Falling productivity and underinvestment in technology because cheap labour is readily available.

                    The political class aren't losing jobs to migrants, only everyone else.

                    And Australia is no longer serving as a safety valve for those appalled by the lack of local opportunity.

                    • marty mars

                      (sorry I don't normally reply to you but I feel this point must be made)

                      No. Immigration and the effects of it are the RESULT of the policies enacted not the CAUSE of the issues related to the policies.

                      The immigration rate is not excessive. The policies that allow the issues to happen (low pay rates, exploitation etc) are the problem and that is where it should be addressed imo not attacking those being exploited – citizen or otherwise.

                    • Incognito []

                      Sorry to intrude here, but instead of thinking of it as replying to a commenter one could see it as engaging with a comment rather, which might be a subtle but non-trivial difference nonetheless. I’d view this comment as a nice example of engagement, which is why I took the liberty of commenting.

                    • Stuart Munro.

                      I think Marty, that immigration is only supportable if it is conducted responsibly, for example, in this instance without supplanting locals with low-wage unskilled migrants. Since that responsibility is not being met, immigration is not tenable.

                      It's a bit like if your neighbor collects old tyres for recycling – none of your business, unless he starts burning them and causing harm and nuisance to his neighbours. As long as he doesn't burn them, who cares, but if he has before you might oppose his collection of more.

                • New view

                  Stuart you say the left  doesn’t offer enough social justice. I believe they offer too much. So much that it’s not believable. The conservatives offer little social justice but underline the economic sense in what they preach. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying they’re right, although I’m from the right. I’m saying they come across as more economically believable. Labour is desperately trying to do its best to be socially responsible but to me it promised too much and so therefore is unbelievable. National promise fuck all but make sure they come across as economically responsible. It seems a formula that works a lot of the time. 

                  • Stuart Munro.

                    National just lie there arses off – they don't have the economic sense to come in out of the rain, much less run a country. The coalition have been in a while now and barely scratched the surface of Gnat screw ups. They are useless – contemptible charlatans who couldn't get a job in economics anywhere else, which is why their former poster boy little Billy English is working for Nathans in Oz – no transferable skills whatsoever.

                    • New view

                      It could be said that Labour lied it’s arse off in the most cynical way by promising to build thousands of houses on a yearly basis. Half of NZ was gullible enough to believe them and half of NZ wasn’t. The list of broken promises is long Stuart. Coming back two years later and saying “but we tried “ doesn’t cut it with me. Any body can promise anything to get elected. It’s called a lie. You can bang on about National until there’s no cows but they’re not the Government. The only reason you and others keep on about National is to deflect the bullshit your coalition has served up for two years. 

                    • It could be said that Labour lied it’s arse off in the most cynical way by promising to build thousands of houses on a yearly basis.

                      Given that this government (ie not just Labour) is building thousands of houses on a yearly basis (state houses), that could indeed be said but would itself be a lie.  The failure of Kiwibuild reflects incompetence rather than lies, and incompetence is a feature of all governments at some point – eg, National's achievement in creating this horrendous housing crisis certainly wasn't a reflection of competence.

                    • New view []

                      No it was incompetence. But not a lie

                    • Stuart Munro.

                      @ New View

                      The list of broken promises is mostly invented by far right trolls scraping to find traction against a government that is manifestly better in every respect to National.

                      Incompetence? No. Ideological failure – trusting in the market mechanisms that have ruined New Zealand for most of us to correct those problems is merely repeating tragedy as farce.

            • Ad 2.1.1.1.1.3

              Mashing Polish plumbers and Wellington bus drivers together as evidence that there is a growth in the hard right that means that the hard right is rising and the left is declining both here and in Europe was not something I argued. 

              It seems to be something you want to claim. 

              But no hard right party has emerged here. Act doesn't even get close. No evidence of any political impact about Wellington bus drivers whatsoever. 

              Anywhere in the country in fact. 

              How the left differs from European and US versions would need a completely different post. 

              • roblogic

                Maybe because NZ started from a place of one of the most equitable societies in the world a few decades ago, but that social capital is quickly being destroyed.

                Per the comments on this article at interest.co.nz,

                "Labour said they would get numbers down to 20,000. I voted labour. I was lied to."

                "If reasonable politicians won't listen to the people, they will vote for unreasonable politicians."

                "And then, one day as if for no reason at all Trump became president."

                "Rents across the country are still rising much faster than both wages and CPI."

                "Agree. I voted National because JK said he would do something about the housing crisis, didn't realise he meant he would pour petrol on it."

              • Pat

                unemployment 3.7%

              • Stuart Munro.

                You don't see the emergence of a hard Right here? Perhaps you explain the Gnat adoption of NRA attack lines, or the suborning of the MSM until morons like Garner or Hoskings monopolize vast expanses of it differently.

                They are the local Fox news, the only conditions required for as rough a beast as Yeats predicted to slouch into power here, just as they have in the US & UK.

                 

          • Adrian Thornton 2.1.1.1.2

            @Ad, That you can't see the relationship between workers losing their jobs to foreign workers especially brought in to the country to under mine local workers wages and conditions speaks volumes to your position on this subject…it is exactly the type of political and ideological blindness that lead directly to Trump..not the Russians.

      • Dukeofurl 2.1.2

        Dont forget the  Bus tender was awarded  by the previous Regional council to this one under Nationals 'lowest price ' not best value tender rules.

         

      • Psycho Milt 2.1.3

        That paragraph on Wellington's Filipino bus drivers is one of the most textbook pieces of civic othering I've seen in recent years.

        And there we have it in a nutshell: the answer to your question of why far-right parties are doing so much better with voters than the left in a lot of places.  When people are angry that wages and conditions have been driven so low that the employers have to import third-worlders to do those jobs, the right-winger expresses sympathy with them and purports to share their anger, while the left-winger tells them they're a bad person and should be ashamed of themselves.  Which of the two are they more likely to vote for?

        • Ad 2.1.3.1

          Who is angry?

          No political party in New Zealand is. 

          False binary, and no relevance to New Zealand.

          • Psycho Milt 2.1.3.1.1

            The binary is from your post – relative popularity of far-right parties vs left ones.  Of course people have more voting options than those two, but those two were the subject at hand.

            It's also quite relevant to NZ as it was a NZ example Stuart Munro gave.  It may not (yet) be that relevant to us in terms of electoral outcomes, but it's very relevant in the places where right-wing populism is making gains at the expense of the left.  If we keep down this path of replacing low-paid workers with migrant labour, expect to see it become relevant here too.

        • greywarshark 2.1.3.2

          Just looking at PMs binary thinking of voters, it sounds exactly what would be going through many people's minds, despite what theories might posit.

          We need deliberate and definite lines from government, not left to the Immigration Service which is probably hated in every country, and our Department has overseen one that has been running empty on principle and practicability for years.   Let's stop these empty marriages for a start, five years of marriage together as a basic say, outside of NZ!

          Immigration offering slightly better conditions than at home, dragging in hopefuls in a similar way to that of our gold rushes in colonial NZ. It's not good, and not fair to NZs pushed out of jobs because the government doesn't want to spend the money on training them.   That's the basis of it all.   The people with dollars for eyeballs don't care a hoot about young NZs;   they want to import them from somewhere using some agency, open the parcel, and have them ready for use when required.   No batteries required.   

          When NZ citizens want immigrants to stay, when they have proved worthy and been accepted and even treasured, the Immigration authorities may still send them away.    We have all heard of cases like that.    These people have too many powers, and are too little controlled, and their decisions should be able to be over-ridden by some Ombudsman for immigration who can intervene when there are reasonable grounds such as when a group of good citizens consider they are needed and are good citizens.

          Here is a link giving details of latest problems here in the immigration field.   https://www.nzami.org.nz/news.php    It would provide background to the real problems that hapless immigrants have;   like moths to a flame they will keep coming trying to better themselves.    And we just swat them on a random schedule.   It's no way to treat people.   

  3. Dukeofurl 3

    The Social democrats only made slight gains in Demarks general election, getting an extra seat ( to 48)  depsite a small drop in its vote ( 25.9%).  Social Democrats increased its seats in the 2015  election too.

    Overall number of seats is 179.

    Compare to the right, Venstre ( plus 9 seats) and Conservative Peoples Party (+6)which doubled its vote.  The far right Danish Peoples Party  dropped  21 seats

    Previous minority government coalition was Venstre, the Liberal Alliance and the Conservative People's Party.

    The real result was  new  Majority Coalition consisting of :

    Social Democrats, the Social Liberals, Socialist People's Party, the Red–Green Alliance, the Faroese Social Democratic Party and the Greenlandic Siumut

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Danish_general_election

  4. Pat 4

    thats the 64000 dollar question….I suspect that the reason a strong left has not appeared is its dearth of an alternative economic paradigm….it is after all the basis of everything else.

    The right won when the social democrats accepted neoliberalism and now any state that attempts to buck it will suffer the consequences…damned if you do, damned if you dont.

  5. Bill 5

    I'm confused that this apparently taxes the minds of so many liberals.

    Liberalism is dying a death. After decades of treading water and going backwards before the onslaught of liberal economic ideology, 'no-one' wants a bar of it any more.

    Trump only got elected because people were desperate enough to opt for "anything that's not this again".

    And the social democratic left (UK Labour, Sanders' "democratic socialism" etc) get ghosted and hammered in mainstream or corporate media on a regular basis while liberalism, that has no answers to peoples' disenchantment, constantly builds right wing bogey men hoping that'll be enough to keep people milling around the liberal status quo.

    I wouldn't have thought any of it's rocket science. Just open your eyes wide enough to look and you'll be able to see it for yourself.

    • Ad 5.1

      Plenty of places that's simply not true. 

       

      • adam 5.1.1

        Where Ad, where.

        If you're in the west the media is in the hands of very few, and that media is pushing tight well constructed propaganda. Most of it to discredit anyone who is social democratic or even more radical.  

        Just a example off my head, the whole BS about Corbin being  anti semitic –  proving Gobbles right about bigger the lie. You lived under Key, that man was a master of lying BIG.     

        Mind you, seeing as this is the second post where you  push an anti-immigrant narrative, begs the question – how did your family get to Aotearoa? Migration by any stretch of the imagination? Just wondering, or was it by magically fairy dust?  

            

        • Ad 5.1.1.1

          I usually think of "liberalism" the way Bill invokes it as meaning a pretty small state that only regulates at the extremes and enables inequality to grow, with centre-left and centre-right parties regularly changing hands across that (I'll leave the degree of democratic reflexiveness implied in the definition up to you). 

          Plenty of countries fit that bill and are doing fine politically.

          In that bunch you can put Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, New Zealand, Vietnam, etc.

          Try and play the ball if you can. 

          • Bill 5.1.1.1.1

            I usually think of "liberalism" the way Bill invokes it as … I've been explicit on a number of occasions that I simply mean the managerial framework applied to capitalism following the demise of social democratic modes of governance across the Anglosphere from around the late '70s.

            Of course, the liberalism that was imposed on 'us' was just the same crap that the Global South had had pushed on them by 'our' social democratic governments' foreign policies that embodied such wonderful little nuggets such as SAPs.

             

             

             

      • Bill 5.1.2

        Well…it's true in the UK and the US and NZ. The same dynamic also applies to Canada and France. But sure. I dare say you can name places it doesn't wash – like Russia for example.

  6. The Right have a clear narrative, as stupid and as mean spirited as it may seem to us.

    The Left also have a narrative, one that could resonate with voters, and does to an amazing degree given the duplicitous and 'selective' of reporting offered by the so called Liberal media. 

    More importantly, and most unfortunately The Left is tied to its centrist 'friends' of the broad church, who offer

    a) no distinctly new let alone honest narrative, just some vague niceties 

    b) would rather spend their energy destroying/undermining and vilifying their Leftish 'friends' rather than achieve power.

  7. seeing as nobody else has stated the bleeding obvious..

    the left has failed since it embraced neoliberal-incrementalism (in nz post-douglas.)

    the left/labour in nz abandoned those who got them there in the first place – the workers..

    (and of course rt the same time labour and the tories drove sole-parents etc into dire poverty – and since then have done s.f.a. for them..(aedern govt gave them a little more..just a little..)

    labour/the left has helped the tories cement in a low-wage/high cost of living society..

    which is what we have now..

    (and of course labour with their third-way bullshit/lurch to the right has echoed other left parties in britain/europe..)

    and in a nutshell labour/the left in nz has failed to deliver on the promises that founded it..

    and now they wonder why those people who they have done sweet f.a. for – for so long – no longer vote for them..(that is some serious denial going on there..)

    and are able to be seduced by someone offering something/anything..as long as it is different from the (non-delivery) shit they have been getting from labour/left parties..

    for a brief moment i thought this latest iteration was different – has learnt that lesson..and i believed their promises to be transformational..

    more fool me…eh..?

    • UncookedSelachimorpha 7.2

      Pretty much!!

    • roblogic 7.3

      More fool you, and a lot of other left-Labour voters. No capital gains tax. Tiny incremental changes to renter's rights. MAF failing to enforce the law on fishing, going for self regulation instead. No change to the numbers of homeless. Kiwibuild failure. No slowdown of our world beating immigration rate. Auckland ruined and among the least affordable places in the world. 

      But hey Wellington politicians are all doing OK 

      • phillip ure 7.3.1

        and the promised welfare-reform..turned out to mean some pot plants in winz offices..

        bugger all else has changed..

        (and yes – before anyone veers over there – they aren’t as bad/venal as that other bunch if useless bastards..

        and they will probably scrape back in again…

        and then spend their second term trying not to offend anyone…

        so just more incrementalist bullshit to look forward to..

        how fucken de-pressing..

        the times/urgencies call for so much more..

        don’t they..?

        • Psycho Milt 7.3.1.1

          …and yes – before anyone veers over there – they aren’t as bad/venal as that other bunch if useless bastards.

          In other words, you're bitter that the government recognises that voters didn't give it a mandate to implement a radical left-wing policy agenda, and are berating them for not implementing that agenda despite it being irrational to do so, and despite the fact that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" is a well-known recipe for failure. Congrats, that's a lot of wrong to fit into one simple blog comment.

          • phillip ure 7.3.1.1.1

            no – just expecting them to keep the promises they made..

            not my 'radical left-wing agenda'..

            just what they said they would do..when they were campaigning for our votes

            mm-kay..?

            not a 'radical left wing agenda'..not mine – nor nobody elses..

            (congrats – that's a lot of wrong to fit into one simple blog comment..eh..?)

            • Psycho Milt 7.3.1.1.1.1

              Which promises? The ones made by Labour, which were supported by only 30-something percent of voters?  Or the ones made by the Greens, which were supported by only around 6% of voters? If you think about it, you might be able to figure out why it's difficult to implement a policy agenda that has only minority support. 

              • KJT

                Polling shows that "left" policies, including CGT, before the massive right wing campaign, have majority support.

                Which is confirmed by both the main parties promising all sorts of "left" policies in election year. Because that gets votes. We see National promising more money for health, right now, for just one example. Listen to both parties on housing, and mental health.

                Labor will be out of office some time in the next 6 years, because they have failed, in making peoples lives better, yet again, due to their adherence to Neo-liberal failure.

                Labor is not exactly following "left" policies. Current Labour would fit nicely with post WW2 National.

                It is not lost on people that National did raise benefits and the minimum wage.

          • adam 7.3.1.1.2

            So by psycho milts logic the 4th labour government was what exactly – becasue it definitely not what the voting public voted for. Nor did it have a mandate, nor was working for the good of the people. 

            Too soon…

            • Psycho Milt 7.3.1.1.2.1

              By my logic the 4th Labour government was a fine example of what's wrong with implementing a radical agenda that you didn't get a mandate for.  That one managed to get a second term by hoovering up right-wing votes from National, but the party suffered a lot of damage from it.

              • can we just boil down this 'radical agenda' bullshit you keep trotting out/accusing me of..

                dunno about anyone else – but my 'radical agenda' is to feed the hungry and house the homeless..(as being the first/prime priority of any govt..

                didn't they used to be (pre-neoliberal-incrementalism) labour party ideals/policices..?

                i repeat – at this moment what i am talking about are the promises labour made pre-election..

                (what they had a clear ‘mandate’ to do..)

                and what they have since ignored/broken..

                this is my 'radical-agenda'..

                (hope that clarifies that for you – and obviates the need for you to just repeat that lie again and again..eh..?..)

                • dunno about anyone else – but my 'radical agenda' is to feed the hungry and house the homeless..(as being the first/prime priority of any govt..

                  Labour is dependent on centre voters, and to a lot of them yes that's a radical policy agenda.  Reality has many depressing features, this among them.

                  (what they had a clear ‘mandate’ to do..)

                  36.3% of the vote isn't a "mandate," let alone a "clear mandate." It's also not a parliamentary majority.  If you want Labour to take a bolder approach to this, it would make more sense to encourage people to vote Labour or Green so the left parties get the voter mandate and the numbers in Parliament to implement their agenda.  All you achieve by discouraging people from voting Labour or Green is another National-led government.

                  • re 'mandate'..

                    kinda disturbing how you use that 'only 36%' = no mandate' rightwing meme..

                    the fact is the combination of the three party votes is their mandate..

                    (it's called mmp – there – p.m…)

                    and if i could just pull you up on another lie of yrs..

                    in no way am i trying to 'discourage people from voting lab/grn'..

                    mm-kay..?

                    my current gripes are with their broken election promises..

                    and i understand you saying that about me as some sort of smear tactic to undermine what i am saying..

                    but it just ain't true..

                    so if you cd park that one also..?…ta..

                    • I referenced Labour's vote share because you specifically referred to Labour in your comment. 

                      The fact that this government has a mandate to govern isn't in dispute.  However, it only just managed to scrape together a majority across three parties with sometimes-conflicting policy agendas.  In relation to your comments on this thread, that means three things:

                      1. The Ardern government doesn't have a mandate for any policy that isn't endorsed by all three parties.

                      2. It only just has a majority in Parliament, so it has to be careful about exceeding its mandate because it can't afford to alienate voters.  

                      3. If we want a bolder policy agenda, we need to increase the vote share of the two parties least unlikely to implement that agenda: the Labour Party and the Green Party.  You might find achieving "least unlikely" to be a not-very-inspiring goal, but reality isn't going to present you with happier options.  

                      in no way am i trying to 'discourage people from voting lab/grn'..

                      I assume that's not your intent, sure.  But it's the effect of the things we say on our listeners that count – have a read back through your comments and consider their likely effect on people who might be tossing up whether to vote for one of the parties you're berating.

                    • @ pm..

                      i don't resile from anything i have said on this thread..

                      and i don't think it is my mutterings that will lose votes..

                      but continued over-promising/under-delivering sure as hell will..

                       

                  • KJT

                    Funny that National's most successful attack line, at present, is that Labour has "failed to house the homeless"0

  8. Gabby 8

    The Murderoch machine just lies its arse off and gets away with it. That doesn't help.

  9. McFlock 9

    When the elite do so much oppression that they are in danger of losing power, the danger comes from the left and the right. So they cut a deal with the far right, usually in the belief they can maintain control over those guys.

    And the left can't appeal to nationalism, whereas the right can always push that button.

    • witness h.clark choosing that oppurtunistc toe-rag dunne over the greens…

      • McFlock 9.1.1

        I was thinking more about the King of Italy inviting Mussolini to take charge, or the junkers financing the Nazi party, or the Repugs leveraging the teabaggers for twenty years and getting drumpf all over their face,

         

        • phillip ure 9.1.1.1

          so in our case it isn't so much an individual in that pact with the elite..

          (that has so fucked us over..)

          but that poxy bastard of an ideology..neoliberal-incrementalism..

          doesn't matter whose in power – neoliberal-incrementalism still serves our elites well..

          coddles the banksters…

          keeps the boot on the workers' throat..

          scare the others into submission with the threat of ending up in that (scapegoat for all) underclass..

          that gets you a nicely cowed population..

          take a bow..!..neoliberal-incrementalism..!

          • McFlock 9.1.1.1.1

            Oh, piss off.

            The post is about the far right. The anti-immigrant, line-people-up-against-the-wall fuckers.

            Neoliberalism is the power elite winning. The far right is who they turn to after they begin to lose again.

            Clark went with Dunne not as an elite turning far right to preserve power, but as an incrementalist who was burned by the Greens and Dunne was the least-right option that remained.

             

            • adam 9.1.1.1.1.1

              Wow revisionist history 101. 

              • McFlock

                Hey, I could be wrong about Clark. We'd never know that from your contribution, though.

                I seem to recall the Greens making a big deal about GM, and fair call being pissed about backing the yanks, which basically ruled them out as coalition partners from boths sides of the equation. 

                Do you have an actual contribution to make?

                • adam

                  The greens played politics (badly) – however,  labour, like always – went right. 

                  Do you have anything but revisionist bs? 

                  • McFlock

                    Without the greens, what governing or coalition options did Labour have?

                    • adam

                      They could have worked with the greens, but they chose not to. And instead went to the right and stay with status quo. Which in turn is why we have the mess we have – labour do this all the time. 

                       

                      You saying the greens was not an option, is the revisionist clap trap I calling out.  

                    • Dukeofurl

                      Heres  a bucket of cold water to your own  revisionism Adam

                      In the own words of Fitzsimons – who was there

                      https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-politics/jeanette-fitzsimons-the-greens-turned-down-two-chances-to-be-in-government

                      "And I thought, no, Rod and I have to put our time into the caucus and build a strong Green Party in Parliament and not be the sole dissenting voices in a Cabinet that would override us anyway. 

                       

                      And again at the next election

                      'We will not support a government on confidence or in coalition that lifts that moratorium and allows GE crops to be grown around the country,

                       

                      The real issue back in the 2000s

                      "Policy-wise we were far closer than either Winston or Peter Dunne. But we had a few core principles we weren’t prepared to back down on."

                       

                      Dont you just love it when the Revisionists havent checked their primary sources 

                    • McFlock

                      ooo, a revisionism slap-back with sources! 🙂

                    • adam

                      Thanks Dukeofurl proves my point, so rather than work out a deal  with the greens (the only party to the left of labour) they went right with NZ1st and a member of parliament whose claim to fame is he gave the country synthetic weed epidemic. 

                      Labour does not know how to go left, the alliance proved that. And in case you forgot the last 9 years of national was built on the back of labour and it's commitment to a hard right economic ideology.

                      Edit: Stop blaming the greens for having principles and bottom lines. Without those we are stuck with the status quo – which quite frankly is not working.

                    • McFlock

                      So to be clear: the Greens ruled themselves out over GE, so you blame Labour for forming a govt with the next closest party?

                      Because the Greens are allowed to have bottom lines, but Labour aren't?

                       

                    • adam

                      The greens ruled out any compromise on GE crops. They also said they didn't want to be in a cabinet full of ideologies who would just use cabinet rules to overrule them. At that point labour chose the status quo and went right rather than work out some sort of deal.

                      As for Labour's bottom line – it seems to be the support a fubar economic ideology at all cost. 

                    • McFlock

                      Well, we come back to the core problem: when the greens ruled themselves out, what were Labour supposed to do? Run back to the Greens and say "oh it's okay, we'll give you whatever you want because that's how compromise is supposed to work"?

                  • Rae

                    Adam, we need to distance ourselves as far as possible as we can from GE crops etc. There is very pragmatic reason for doing so, more than one, even.

                    It will not be long before lab grown food will be widely available and its consumption will be taken up, and it will be taken up by the masses, but there will still be plenty of people who will seek out the real thing, and they will be very discerning, and will be seeking organic food. 

                    Our distance from markets puts us at a disadvantage, just about the only advantage we can play to is being unique, and non GE food will become more and more so. 

                    Staying away from it is likely to become our saviour.

  10. SPC 10

    Baby boomers. 

  11. vto 11

    People are worried. When people are worried they head for the conservatives. The right does a better conservative.

    end

    • SPC 11.1

      Those who have and those who are old are natural conservatives – there are a lot of old people because of the baby boomers. 

      • vto 11.1.1

        SPC, "those who are old are natural conservatives"… nup

        Don't agree with that at all.

        People may become more 'careful' as they age, but that is because they understand more consequences, having generally experienced more consequences. This does not make for a conservative. It is a different thing.

        I will tell you this though – imo the young of today are conservative. Well, more conservative than recent generations at the same age. Which will likely lead to more Victorian times as they fill through.

        • SPC 11.1.1.1

          Care to explain the old people who voted Brexit and Trump? The old white people retreating into gated community nationalism? 

          And here the old people who mostly prefer National, despite the way its MP's vote on social policy issues? 

          Totally disagree about young people being more conservative – not so on environment and carbon use and totally adjusted to a multi-cultural diverse community compared to baby boomers (and in the USA less religious than the olds). 

          • Rae 11.1.1.1.1

            You are right, but there seems to be a rise in conservatism among the younger, is this perhaps the result of them being raised minus much of the physical risk of previous generations? 

            These are funny old times, alright, though.

      • Rae 11.1.2

        Well, I am pretty old and to this day cannot stomach conservatism, I find it the worst kind of politics. Give me new ideas and thinking any day. I like my politics as I like my music, interesting.

  12. Climaction 12

    could it be the right have used our foibles on the left against us? The carbon emissions involved in having climate conferences? Criticising anyone who was sceptical of all the accusers in the #metoo movement as enablers, yet not being able to keep our own house clean? 

    Has the public turned against the left narrative because of high profile inconsistencies as opposed to being supportive of the rights aggressive anti-liberal stance on first principles?

  13. xanthe 13

    At root the problem is not the ascent of the right but rather the descent of the left.

    I believed and still believe that the adoption of "positive discrimination" by the left was ethically and organizationally wrong.

    So here we are.

  14. Gabby 14

    It's the Arsehole Effect. The arsehole have worked out that there are a lot of other arseholes out there.

  15. Ad 15

    The Guardian's view today on challenging the nationalist ethnic purity line of the hard nationalists – noting Victor Orban or Hungary, but quotes Australian ex-PM Tony Abbott:

    “It will require some force; it will require massive logistics and expense; it will gnaw at our consciences – yet it is the only way to prevent a tide of humanity surging through Europe and quite possibly changing it for ever.”

    The prediction relies in part on undeniable demographic reality: the population of parts of the developed world is shrinking, while that of the poor world is growing. This is happening just as the climate emergency makes the most populous parts of the world less habitable. With the best will in the world, these changes will lead to strains and tensions. And the best will – even goodwill – is in short supply in the world at the moment.

    In the past, the left has responded to the anti-migration rhetoric of the right with economic answers. These are important but not sufficient, as the rise of anti-immigrant populists has shown.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/the-guardian-view-on-demography-and-politics-nationalist-narratives-must-be-challenged

    • SPC 15.1

      The nostalgia of the baby boomers for the era of their family security 1950's/1960's – and a world centred around that cultural regime. One threatened from outside by more diversity/immigration and relative economic decline (in both the national sense and for the next generation).

      This insecurity results in a less confident milieu (note Germany’s fiscal prudence is harmful to itself as well as the EU).

  16. NZJester 16

    The reason they are winning is the right have the money to hijack the Main Stream Media and pay for the political bribes, as well as no conscience to do what is un-ethical to advance their views. It is difficult to be ethical and poor and try and combat the extream greed-driven policies those on the right are pushing for.

    • Gosman 16.1

      Where is the evidence the media in the UK is dominated by the right wing? There are a huge numbers of diverse media outlets in the UK. 

  17. gsays 17

    My two cents worth: the right are prevailing because of othering.

    As we are all aware, most of policy is polled to the nth degree before being released.

    The parties are reacting to what they think we want.

    The series, Century of the self, outlines how billions of dollars have been spent telling us how important we are and how our wants are needs.

    Couple that with the demise of institutions like churches and community organisations that would remind us of things bigger than ourselves.

    So if there are others who threaten what we perceive to be our entitlement, we vote accordingly.

    This is not to deny media ownership or the neo-liberal sell-out of NZ play their part. 

  18. JohnP 18

    The right's incorporation of wedge politics has been one of their most successful tactics, because it drives a log laden sixteen wheeler directly at – often – a minority community. The right wouldn't have counted on any votes from this minority community in the first place, and recognise that by forcing their opponents to defend them they are creating a tension between the majority community (ok, it's white people usually) over 'whose side are they really on?' which plays into the centrist narrative about having to reach out to those on the right in order to be the sensible ones.

    Instead of making a full throated defence of these communities, centrist politicians try to do what they've always done and 'find the middle ground' – which invariably means ceding political ground to the right in order to satisfy them, except of course, the right cannot be satisfied by ceding ground to them because their entire aim is power, and so slowly getting the centre-left to drift right merely means eventually the right becomes more palatable as a 'decisive' version of the drifting and incoherent centre left.

  19. KJT 19

    Many people vote for the far right in so many countries, for the same reason so many working people voted National in 1984 and 87. 

    When the parties which are supposed to represent you, turn rogue, and work for a few wealthy people instead.

    Under Western voting systems, what the fuck else can you do?

  20. Wayne 20

    Cameron and Morrison are not far right. Johnson and Trump are populists (which Cameron and Morrison are not) though that does not necessarily make Johnson and Trump far right.

    • Ad 20.1

      Cameron acceded to extreme nationalist sentiment and so initiated the separatist referendum in the first place.

      So he co-opted the support of the right.

      Morrison did the same by building on the more extreme Abbott and successfully co-opting the One Nation vote of Queensland.

      Same as Cameron.

      They are really clear about what they are doing, and both won elections that the left could have won.

  21. Michael 21

    I think the problem with the political left in Aotearoa-NZ is that its officer-holders no longer represent that position. For whatever reason, these people have no empathy with the proletariat (whether working or lumpen) because they are far too bourgeois and unwilling to develop solidarity. Until the Labour Party genuinely repents and atones for its neoliberal sins, both historic and ongoing, it cannot be a credible expression of centre-left politics. As a result, the proletariat (which actually includes many people who imagine themselves to be middle-class, or even rich, but are not) find the populist alt-right, with its narrative of hatred for the "other", more attractive than the pallid variety of neoliberalism Labour offers them.

    • In Vino 21.1

      I agree with your phrase 'pallid variety of neo-liberalism' but I believe that anyone naïve enough to vote far right as a result of that is a shallow, thoughtless individual lacking a great deal of historical knowledge.  Are the vast numbers of voters so ignorant as you suggest?

      Well, maybe they are..

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    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 day ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    2 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    5 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    6 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    6 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    6 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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