Two face

Written By: - Date published: 7:28 am, July 20th, 2012 - 76 comments
Categories: john key, privatisation, treaty settlements, water - Tags:

John Key really is the master of being whomever his audience wants to believe he is.

For years, he talks positively about Maori water rights and interests to Maori. But, when an opportunity comes to split the Maori and Pakeha opposition to asset sales, he’s in Pakeha ears telling them that the ‘Maaris’ are trying to claim they own the water to make some quick cash.

He told the Maori Party that he wouldn’t legislate over the top of iwi water rights and interests as determined in the coming court battles concerning the water the power companies rely upon. It seemed like a significant win for the Maori Party (I was in Idiot/Savant’s camp, not Anthony’s, until I saw the catch). But then the weasel words came out to reassure the Pakeha audience. He wouldn’t legislate over the top of ‘rights and interests’ but he would over the top of ‘ownership’.

Iwi say that what they want is recognition of rights and interests, but Key has consistently called what they are seeking ‘ownership’. And that’s the difference,anyway? You tell me where the difference is between a right to use water to the exclusion of others (and, lease that right to others) and ownership of that water. Key uses the different words for the different audiences.

It’s spineless, deceitful and opportunistic… and, by god, he’s good at it.

76 comments on “Two face”

  1. And he obviously sees this as an opportunity to wedge opposition to asset sales. Now the debate is no longer a clear cut opposition to the selling of our assets but more of a muddied debate about indigenous rights with a side serving of racist dog whistling.

    • Gosman 1.1

      Blame the Maori Council for providing the opportunity then.

      • Pascal's bookie 1.1.1

        Yeah. Damn uppity maoris should shut up. What wankers they are, forcing good people to be all racist.

        They need to take responsibility for other people’s racism right now. It’s an outrage I tell you.

        It’s just not good enough.

        If they didn’t stick up for themselves, the racists wouldn’t vent, and the PM wouldn’t be forced to pander to the racists.

        Poor racists.
        Poor PM.

        They are being abused. It’s basically slavery. WHY CAN”T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

        • Gosman 1.1.1.1

          The decision to tie in water rights with the Mixed ownership model of energy companies was made by the Maori council. They could have kept the two issues separate if they desired but didn’t. As mickeysavage pointed out this has allowed the Government to muddy the debate. You can hardly blame a politician for taking advantage of such a situation.

          • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.1.1

            The decision to tie in water rights with the Mixed ownership model of energy companies was made by the Maori council. They could have kept the two issues separate if they desired but didn’t.

            I agree with you Gossie, the two issues are totally separate.

            The answer is simple. Key should be allowed to sell the power generators off but without any access to water or water usage rights.

            Because the two are separate things, right Gossie?

            • Gosman 1.1.1.1.1.1

              They can purchase the water rights from whoever owns it. I really don’t care if it is the Government, Maori, or Joe Blow down the street.

              • So Gossie, do you agree that Smile and Wave has been two faced with his pronouncements on this issue?

                • Gosman

                  No, just politically savvy. Wouldn’t you admit he has handled this better than say the last Labour Government did with the similar FSB issue?

                  • Does “politically savvy” mean the same thing as making irreconcilable statements?  

                    • McFlock

                      I am politically savvy.
                      You made two irreconcilable statements.
                      Key is a fucking liar.
                                
                      See how I conjugalled that last irregular noun? 🙂 

                  • gobsmacked

                    It’s only “politically savvy” if you think the election is next week.

                    Instead, Key is likely to end up with …

                    – a delay to the gov’t’s flagship policy, causing major Budget problems
                    – an unhappy coalition partner, probably splitting soon (note – the Maori Party is a lot more than it’s co-leaders)
                    – a further diminished standing in the media
                    – if he doesn’t follow through and “protect our water”, more anger on the redneck right he is trying to appease

                    If you (Gosman) think this will look good for Key in three to six months, can you tell us how it will play out? Do you think the courts will dance to his tune? And if they don’t, what’s he gonna do?

            • John 1.1.1.1.1.2

              I imagine the power generators have long term resource consent to use the river water. Any dispute would be with who ever granted that consent, but the consent wouldn’t be threatened.

          • framu 1.1.1.1.2

            ” You can hardly blame a politician for taking advantage of such a situation.”

            whatever happened to personal responsibility?

            • Gosman 1.1.1.1.2.1

              From whom?

              • framu

                the person taking advantage of the situation obviously

                • Gosman

                  Not really. A tailor made situation presented itself and has been taken advantage of for political effect. I expect that in most politicians.

                  • Deano

                    He’s taken advantage of an opportunity to foment racial discord. If you think that’s honourable, that says a lot about you.

                    • Gosman

                      So was Helen Clark’s led Government trying to forment racial discord as well then?

                  • framu

                    No gossie its really obvious, stop playing the fool.

                    expectation and responsibility arent the same thing are they

                    you might expect someone to behave a certain way – when they do they arent magically absolved of responsibility for their actions just because they did something we thought they would.

                    as PB says below “Why not? Is he not responsible for his actions?”

                    seriously – this is preschool level sh*t

                    • Dr Terry

                      Gosman (above) is trying out the well worn old bit of scurrilous nonsense, that is, “two wrongs make a right”. Not all of us will fall for it.

          • Pascal's bookie 1.1.1.1.3

            “You can hardly blame a politician for taking advantage of such a situation*.”

            Why not? Is he not responsible for his actions?

            *Note in passing that I dispute your version of ‘the situation’, but that’s beside the point of whether Key or the MC is responsible for Key’s actions.

            • Gosman 1.1.1.1.3.1

              Compare this to how the previous Clark led Government responded to a similar situation.

              At the time of the Foreshore and Seabed ruling the Clark Government had a kneejerk reaction of not only stating that the Foreshore and Seabed were Government controlled and would remain so, (similar to what John Key did), but then went and created legislation to ensure that this would be the case.

              John Key on the other hand placated the right with his statement about Water rights but has now placated the Maori party to a large degree by moderating his opinion.

              Seems like a win-win as opposed to the Clark led Government’s lose-lose strategy.

              • Pascal's bookie

                I can’t for the life of me see how your comment relates to mine, but no matter.

                First up, read this. It’s short:

                http://norightturn.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/key-weasel.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

                Second up, read this. It’s the NZHs story announcing the court finding that triggered the F&S deabte, and helpfully, (or not as the case may be), contains both the government’s and the then opposition’s knee jerk reactions:

                http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3560098

                Third up, if you’ve still got the heart for it, try this, paying attention to the date:

                http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0307/S00369.htm

                I think the govts eventual reaction was to the oppositions fear mongering rather than to the decision itself.

                For my thought on that eventual reaction, serach this site. I’d recomment putting:

                bookie “good and drunk”

                … into the search bar and checking the ‘comments’ box.

              • Dr Terry

                And Gosman is a “loser-loser”.

              • mike e

                Goose once again your facts are wrong Michael Cullen minister of treaty settlements at the time,Said Maori could carry on litigating at huge cost to Maori or prove continual usage rights from 1840 and the labour govt would settle.
                Quite different from your losing strategy.
                Now all National has done has been to give back the right to take expensive litigation again back to square one.

      • xtasy 1.1.2

        It is an insult to all Maori to have a state of affairs in NZ, where not only a right wing, red-neck appealing government, led by a two faced leader named Key (…”to professional lying” may be a fitting name addition) and supported by an even worse right winker like Banks (heard his speech in Parliament yesterday?), do all to discredit and frown upon Maori.

        Also do we have a mainstream, privately owned media, that hardly mentions anything about the Waitangi Tribunal now (heard Radio Live, Radio Network’s 1ZB and the likes lately?), so that the wider public do not get properly informed at all.

        Bias, misinformation, even “hatred” are stirred up, and sadly the senior Maori Party MPs and ministers cling to being “part” of such a government.

        It is now rather acceptable to most, that new migrants with different cultural needs are welcome to build their temples, mosques and cultural centres in Auckland, while Maori get such a dispiccable treatment re their cultural and customary rights, being Tangata Whenua.

        Talk about divide and rule. Yes, that is exactly what Key and consorts are doing. It sadly works with too many, and here we seem to have one such expert in this.

      • John M 1.1.3

        Yeah, the Maori Council held a gun to his head and told him what to say.

        • xtasy 1.1.3.1

          If someone held a gun to my head and without reason, I would say F off!. That did not happen though, aye?

    • aerobubble 1.2

      As a taxpayer, who government owns energy companies, why would I continue to take my energy from a partially state owned company when I get the same price for energy from a fully state owned company and more dividends? Seems reasonable that a huge fiscal backlash could hit anyone who buys the state energy assets. I mean, who wants the social stigma of both getting energy from a partially owned energy company and buying into the economic argument that selling the best performing asset in the portfolio is correct investment practice (or smart given the energy limits of the world oil supply). But worse, could you live with the shame of actually owning a company that has government control??? what has neo-liberals come to, are they weak, did they not understad free market theory???

      Its like Key has pick all the stupidiest ideas and rolled them into one giant farce, he is now smoking very slowly to show how incompetent a politician and an economic savvy person he is.

  2. fnjckg 2

    Excellent graphic!

  3. xtasy 3

    Hi there —

    what else does anyone expect from John Key?

    By the way, I am missing some mention of an event on this forum, which may also lead to more exposure of more lies by Key and his government:

    I thought you guys may just like to be informed of the ‘Education Show and Tell’ event in downtown Auckland tomorrow (01 pm, 21.07.12, outside Britomart), which is published also via this link:

    http://www.facebook.com/events/233426863443947/

    Again I find NO mention of this on many forums and certainly not in the mainstream media, so apart from those who know of the Facebook page, I fear hardly anybody will be informed, hence resulting again in a feared LOW turnout.

    I thought that the Standard may have taken interest in that event and somewhere on this website have made a mention of it, so interested students, tutors, public members interested in attending, same as the so vague and ambiguous political party membership, may also be informed and can consider going there tomorrow.

    So here is a “mention” of it at least!

    • Gosman 3.1

      Not really on topic there. Perhaps you should have placed this in Open mike instead.

      • xtasy 3.1.1

        I tried the contact for emailing this, but it did not work. Get your point re Open Mike and will re=post.

    • TightyRighty 3.2

      You know why the mainstream media don’t care about your little rally? It’s not mainstream. It’s fringe loony rubbish like the claytons maori spokespeople annette sykes et al.

      • vto 3.2.1

        You’re right of course tightypantys, mainstream is tv show The Block, and cooking shows, and crime-porn like the Ewen MacDonald trial. Brain-dead sugar-hit crapploa.

        We should just stop complaining and head off to the mall.

        • xtasy 3.2.1.1

          they got the ultimate “crime porn” from America tonight. See how they indulged into that one. As sick it was, and as it happened to hit the release of corporate US film business, why bother spending time on sickoes, please? I hate suicides, murders, certainly mass shootings, but the fact that the msm so focus on them makes me decide: Well, sorry, it is sad and bad, but there are more REAL things that need addressing, really! Why focus on the pimple rather than the cause for it?

      • xtasy 3.2.2

        Your rubbushing of such activities won’t stop more intelligent folk to attend and also take a stand against your beloved Prime Mischief Minister, wanting to further dumb down the populace. Clearly you are trying to dismiss it as catering to the “loony fringe”.

        Truth is you are obviously worried that the conference by your favoured pack of manipulators, self serving party members, the present political “elite” that so well looks after the big business and red-neck lobbies, may get a bit “upset”, when some protesters turn up at the gate and given them their messages.

        Let us wait and see, what will happen, and how our new minister of police will “direct” her loyal servants in blue to deal with any protesters. Some of them are still quite boiled hot, under the lid, after having been beaten, pushed, shoved and draged off violently during a not so long ago budget protest.

        They are keen to meet and confront Tolley, Collins, Key, English, Joyce and those other ones!

      • mike e 3.2.3

        Tighty allmighty another racist rant Annette Sykes is better educated than your self your profession is probably the most despised in the world today if you want to talk about loony rubbish that would make you an insider and an expert.

  4. John Key can’t be trusted? Why does everyone sound so surprised.

    He’s a politician, none of them can be trusted. You make it sound like this is news. They are all two faced and hypocritical and will all capitulate, and engage double talk.

    Carry on.

    • Deano 4.1

      so much for ‘ambitious for new zealand’

    • higherstandard 4.2

    • Draco T Bastard 4.3

      So we should just go on not holding them to account, allowing them to be untrustworthy while working in our name?

      • Not what I am saying at all. Was just amused by what I read as surprise that a politician was two-faced. By all means hold them to account.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.3.1.1

          I don’t think of it as surprise, I think of it more as brining it to peoples attention.

          • McFlock 4.3.1.1.1

            I think there’s also a slight difference between “can’t be trusted” and “been caught telling insultingly-obvious pork pies”.
                   
            In most of the jobs I’ve ever had I haven’t been trusted. People followed up to make sure that I was doing the job correctly, cash and property was audited, document access logs were made so leaks could be investigated, confidentiality statements signed, record checks carried out, relatives and associates contacted to verify, training/certifications refreshed periodically rather than just trusting me to know what to do, etc etc etc.
                          
                
            But like the vast majority of people who go through those procedures, I had absolutely no issues. Key, yet again, is demonstrated to be a lowdown, lying liar from Liarton in Lower Liarland.

            • TheContrarian 4.3.1.1.1.1

              In Lower Liarland people wear hat’s on their feet and hamburgers eat people.

              • McFlock

                Nah, liars just say that to sound tough. 
                 

                • Do if a liar told you the truth does that mean they are lying to themselves? 

                  • ‘Do’ should be ‘So’

                  • McFlock

                    Only if they had convinced themselves that they were lying to me.
                               
                    After all, if they were being 100% truthful then they’d be lying about their nationality even if they truthfully said they were from liarland. But then they’d know that I’d then doubt the truthiness of the true things they just said, in fact I’d probably suspect the reverse, so they’d still be lying to me via the cunning ruse of honesty.
                         
                    The bastards. 

        • Puddleglum 4.3.1.2

          Nowhere in the original post – or subsequent comments, for that matter –  was there any indication, sugggestion or even implication that Key’s behaviour was a ‘surprise’. Quite the reverse, since it claimed that this was a long-standing practice of Key’s.

          Given that the post itself lacked any indication that Eddie was surprised, exactly where did your perception of the post being an expression of ‘surprise’ come from?

          In your view, is merely the act of writing about a particular politician’s deceitful behaviour ipso facto an expression of surprise? If so, then how would it be possible to hold a particular politician to account without committing the ‘amusing’ gaffe of expressing surprise?

          Or are your comments just expressions of the auto-stimulation of your funny bone? 

    • mike e 4.4

      Shonkey
      Merrill Lynch
      Money Launder

  5. Observer AKL 5

    Turia seems to understand what Key is saying …..

    But for the life of me I cannot see the difference between water rights and entitlement

    Perhaps Turia has the same gift for slipperiness as Key? Four faces between the same two people

    So strange …..

  6. Colonial Viper 6

    Hence the symbol used in Chinese for a government official (官) has two mouths.

  7. Observer AKL 7

    Viper

    Brilliant

    Turia and Key however, both want to screw more money out of the common man to give to their wealthy friends.

    Identical slippery Twins. That’s the black and white of it.

  8. “He told the Maori Party that he wouldn’t legislate over the top of iwi water rights and interests”

    There is no evidence for this, apart from Tariana saying ‘they’ told her that. This is the area of vulnerability for their rickety construction – opposition MP’s should focus on this issue until someone breaks.

  9. vto 9

    I still fail to see the value in all this hoohaa. The Tribunal hearing is underway and the court actions will follow shortly, all of which will hold up, stall and stuff the asset sales process and shake this roten government to its core.

    All of that has nought to do with the politics that Key and the MP are fiddling with. Doesn’t it? I mean, these actions taken by the Maori Council are completely independent of MP and Key.

  10. captain hook 10

    more gum flapping and smoke and mirrors.
    the question is who gets the biggest share allocation?

  11. Of course Key cannot be trusted,his old workmates said he would sell
    his mother if he could, need and humanity dont mean anything to this character.
    The water rights issue is one that key and co would have known about but decided
    to ‘play the divide and rule card’ knowing that they could reel the maori party in any
    time they want.
    Divide and rule tactics are also seen in the current welfare changes, they are punative
    dividing and debilitating,key chooses to make an example of those that would not
    have voted for him anyway, while he and his co-horts live very well off the taxpayers,
    he is now claiming that 20hrs is full time work for those who would not have voted national.
    Bene bennett may have the portfolio but key’s paws are all over it.
    Trust has to be earned and to date key and his band of feckless seat warmers have
    done zip to install trust into the minds of nz’ers who see through his facade.

    • bad12 11.1

      Oh Slippery has known full well the concerns Maori have over ‘water rights’, the Prime Minister has been in largely secret negotiations with the Iwi Leaders Group over the very issue of ‘water rights’ for the past 4 years,

      2 faced hardly describes the Prime Ministers actions over such ‘water rights’, changing the vocabulary depending upon which interested party He is addressing at any given time,

      For each, the Maori Party, the Iwi Leaders Group, the Waitangi Tribunal, the New Zealand Maori Council, and just as importantly if not more so, the New Zealand People, the Prime Minister has on any given day exhibited a differing attitude and expressed thought on the ‘water rights’ issue,

      Given that Slippery has been negotiating behind closed doors for the past 4 years with a group of Maori who He wrote to in 2009 agreeing that Maori has ‘rights’ to water and inviting negotiations with them on the issue the man is simply far too duplicitous to be trusted by any of the party’s involved…

  12. gobsmacked 12

    This is all that needs to be said on the matter …

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/key-weasel.html

    Except to add – the problem with Key’s game is you end up alienating voters on all sides. Better to stand for something, and make it clear, so you may lose some, but gain others. Labour take note.

  13. Vernon Small is on to it

    The statement, issued after late-night talks on Wednesday, notes the Government’s undertaking not to legislate over the rights and interests in water, as they are negotiated with iwi and hapu.

    Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia seemed to take that as a promise not to legislate against any rights, including proprietary interests, determined by the courts in response to the Waitangi Tribunal hearing.

    But in a raft of interviews Mr Key, Treaty Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson – and even Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples – took a narrower view. They talked of a promise not to unwind “rights and interests”, many of which are already in law as part of settlements.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/7312880/PM-diplomatic-but-water-stance-stays

    How slippery does a slippery snake need to be, to be considered a very slippery snake indeed.

  14. fnjckg 14

    metaphysics for master of prophecy
    -no-thing grand about that

    (to john from j)

  15. Fortran 15

    I look forward to learning what percentage of the shares in MRP are taken up by:
    1.KiwiSaver providers
    and
    2.Maori (big rich tribes)

    I suspect that not a good percentage will finish up with Mums and Dads.

  16. fnjckg 16

    “pffffft! (inhalation through mask, pass it on).

  17. marsman 17

    There is a photo in today’s DomPost of John Key wearing gumboots. I seem to remember a photo of that other pretend Prime Minister Jenny Shipley wearing gumboots shortly (?) after which we gave her the BOOT. Is this Shonkey’s Gumboot Moment? We can but hope.

    • xtasy 17.1

      Do they wear them on their heads, genital parts (for whatever), on top of their heads, or what? I’d be interested, really?!

  18. The Woodpecker 18

    These are not the actions of a PM. He stinks like a corporate raider. Shamefull and disgusting

  19. Foreign Waka 19

    Every living thing has an absolute right to water, period.
    What seems to be in discussion under disguise is the “ownership” of water. Once any group or party owns water as a resource an automatic restriction of access and an absolute power over people takes hold as water is necessity to sustain life. Now, to lay claim to such ownership or right is more revealing than any other hick hack that becomes such destruction, isn’t it. If there is in the future only access via payment (water meters?) the group that least can afford this resource will first experience hygiene and health problems. I have heard people talking about the means of “cleaning” rainwater with Jenola (!). It seems that there is already some anxiety about access.

  20. Phil 20

    Honestly, I despair of mainstream politics.
    So a center right capitalist makes two calls;
    1. We all own the water.
    2. No one owns the water.
    When we all know, whoever is using the water for production purposes owns the use of the water (and therefore by every definition) owns the water.
    Has everyone forgotten “Ownership is nine tenths of the law”?
    And capitalism is about ever decreasing circles of ownership?
    Who gives a flying fuck who Key states owns the water, when we know that whoever owns the right to use the water for the purposes of production owns the water?
    Same as any other asset that is used in the pursuit of product for profit.

    The Maori Party have shown that the notion of pan tribalist capitalism is alive and well.
    That Maori capitalist institutions hold the power in this debate and can be trusted to follow the capitalist idea to the Nth degree.

    And Labour is doing what?
    Despair, probably ain’t strong enough to be truthful.

    • bad12 20.1

      I am not personally in favor of Labour when they do the monk’s retreat act cloistering themselves in the vows of silence over an important issue of the day,

      Sometimes the electorate is just begging for Labour to take a lead by expressing an alternative course of action that should be taken other then that of Slippery and the crew, the more often then not silence tends to give the impression, even if that impression is false, that Labour would be behaving in Government in exactly the same manner,

      On an issue of such gravitas as ‘water rights’, ‘water ownership’ though and while the Waitangi Tribunal is sitting it is probably ‘good politics’ from the opposition to let the process run it’s course,

      My word of advice on an issue that has deep effects within Maori-dom such as the present water one is that when such issues arise Labour/Green don’t resort to closed door negotiations with some of the stakeholders,

      Where Slippery and National have got the present issue so utterly wrong is to have initiated ‘negotiations’ with only a small section of the deeply interested and involved stakeholders in the issue…

  21. captain hook 21

    the thing is that in our unicameral system the party in power can virtually do what they like and there are no checks and balances.
    kweewee and his mates will wrap all their predations in such a large tissue of misinformation and verbiage and then take the lot as if it were their right to dispose of anything they please.

  22. xtasy 22

    This is the German Sarah Wagenknecht, leader of the Left Party, and a smart, outspoken politcian, trying to remind the wealthy society in Germany, that is still benefiting from the poverty and inequality in Europe.

    She speaks truth and a lot of it. Sadly no English translation. How terrible. Capitalism is digging our grave, for sure! Fuck Key, fuck the world capitalist order and put a total stop to it, seize the control of assets in NZ!

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    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    2 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    3 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    5 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    6 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    7 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    7 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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