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1. mikesh 1

   22 February 2021 at 9:35 am

   I don't think Bishop's suggestion that a dedicated facility could be used for housing, once a pandemic was over, is a good one. Such a facility could be used for other purposes in between pandemics, but we wouldn't want to see a whole lot of tenants being evicted each time a new pandemic made its appearance.
   • mac1 1.1

     22 February 2021 at 11:20 am

     I've got a better idea. Why don't we use hotels that aren't being used during a pandemic and then, after the pandemic is over, go back to using these former hotels as………. hotels!
     • Treetop 1.1.1

       22 February 2021 at 12:16 pm

       Do you mean to house the homeless and those who are a night away from being homeless?

       I think emergency housing needs to change from 7 days to 28 days as 7days is to disruptive. I am basing this on emergency accommodation being for 7 days at a time.
   • woodart 1.2

     22 February 2021 at 12:19 pm

     with nats track record of selling public assets to their friends,I can see this very expensive ,publically funded white elephant sold off cheaply to a slum landlord, who would then rent it back to the gov at a huge profit, If it ever became needed again. better to stick with keeping hotels used and funded. bishop should go back to being a shill for tobacco, obviously doesnt think things through.
2. Craig H 2

   22 February 2021 at 9:42 am

   NZ could do worse than a dedicated quarantine facility particularly if it also had a dedicated medical wing/building and some form of ICU (is that even feasible?), but what would it be used for between pandemics? There's always a danger it gets used more because it exists, so, for example, we start quarantining measles cases, or as emergency housing or alternatively we just mothball it between crises and fail to fund operational readiness properly, leading to it being useless when something does appear.

   Not a fan of ScoMo, but he probably thought it useful to show the nation that it’s not that dangerous – putting his money where is mouth is, so to speak. I’m sure the PM and Dr Bloomfield will do the same, albeit probably not until another batch of vaccines have been received since the first batch is completely allocated.
   • Anne 2.1

     22 February 2021 at 10:22 am

     Not a fan of ScoMo, but he probably thought it useful to show the nation that it’s not that dangerous – putting his money where is mouth is, so to speak.

     Yes. It needs to be remembered that Aussie probably has more anti vaxxers – and those vulnerable to being influenced by them – than we have in NZ.
     • Rosemary McDonald 2.1.1

       22 February 2021 at 10:40 am

       It needs to be remembered that Aussie probably has more anti vaxxers – and those vulnerable to being influenced by them

       Errr… are you sure about that?

       https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/immunisation/childhood-immunisation-coverage/immunisation-coverage-rates-for-all-children

       https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/immunisation-coverage/national-and-dhb-immunisation-data
       • tc 2.1.1.1

         22 February 2021 at 11:15 am

         Kids can't attend schools without the basic vaccines so if you want your kids schooled then full immunisation is required.

         May have changed since mine went but unlikely.
         • Rosemary McDonald 2.1.1.1.1

           22 February 2021 at 11:39 am

           Yes…such measures obviously account for the comparatively high immunisation levels.

           https://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/rp/budgetreview201516/vaccination

           https://www.brisbanekids.com.au/mandatory-vaccination-in-australia-is-here/

           Though there are many in Oz who have railed against such measures, their influence has obviously been minimal.

           However…https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/436830/anti-vaccination-protests-draw-support-in-australia
   • Treetop 2.2

     22 February 2021 at 12:22 pm

     Inbetween used to house builders to build government housing as the old state housing system worked.
3. Incognito 3

   22 February 2021 at 9:50 am

   Did Auckland have a lockdown after the recent Pullman cases?

   Was the current lockdown because of a breach at one of the MIQs?

   I’m a little surprised that Bishop hasn’t suggested that returnees sleep in cars – separate ventilation and inbuilt entertainment systems; they seem to be quite comfortable with that in the past.
   • Pat 3.1

     22 February 2021 at 9:56 am

     Must be a lot of underused campervans around….was Nationals solution post quakes in ChCh
     • Incognito 3.1.1

       22 February 2021 at 11:17 am

       Plenty of empty shipping containers. If it is good enough to ‘isolate’ prisoners. The National Party has had some many good ideas in the past. What happened, they seem to have lost their mojo?
4. fender 4

   22 February 2021 at 9:56 am

   Has that twit Morrison admitted he was wrong when he stated NZ wouldn't be getting vaccines before April I'm wondering…
   • alwyn 4.1

     22 February 2021 at 10:33 am

     When did he say that?

     Have you got a link to this story?
     • Incognito 4.1.1

       22 February 2021 at 11:25 am

       Nah, no link, because Scotty said that NZ won’t commence vaccination before April, which is a completely different BS allegation by Scotty.
       • alwyn 4.1.1.1

         22 February 2021 at 12:26 pm

         Well do you have a link to where Morrison ever made the claim that we wouldn't be commencing vaccinations before April?

         The only story anything like that that I have seen was this Press Release by the ACT party back in January.

         https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00021/hipkins-contradicts-aussie-pm-whos-right.htm

         In this story it wasn't Morrison who made the claim. It was Seymour.

         Surely you must be able to provide a link to Morrison saying it, since you say he did so? I haven't been able to find any such story.
         • Incognito 4.1.1.1.1

           22 February 2021 at 12:34 pm

           Your search skills are letting you down

           "We are still on track to commence later this month," Mr Morrison said.

           "That puts us in a very good position, particularly with our sovereign vaccine production capability, ahead of many countries, like New Zealand, which won't commence until April."

           https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-update-australia-secures-additional-10-million-pfizer-covid19-vaccine-doses-scott-morrison/da7441f5-35fd-4855-a0cb-e51cd05b6a3d
           • alwyn 4.1.1.1.1.1

             22 February 2021 at 1:36 pm

             Amazing. Thank you for the link. I guess he was having a dig at Hipkins who had been saying back in January that he was expecting that both New Zealand and Australia would be getting them by the end of March. That was when Morrison had been saying February.

             Strange thing for Morrison to say even so. Quite unnecessary wasn't it? However no Australian PM ever got into trouble with Australians by abusing New Zealand. That is true the other way around of course, as our PM is demonstrating.

             February is certainly better than March in both cases.
             • Incognito …

               22 February 2021 at 1:43 pm

               IMHO, way too much attention is given to the many and various silly things many politicians say in interviews or on Social Media. Actions speak louder.
5. AB 5

   22 February 2021 at 10:15 am

   Anybody who suggests building a new quarantine facility – at exactly the same time that you are scrambling to control an actual pandemic – is nuts. Could you come up with a better recipe for spreading yourself so thin that you cock up both initiatives? Also the timeframes don't match – by the time the new facility is built, the current pandemic will be in retreat or under control.

   When we are pretty much out of this pandemic, there will be a review of the national pandemic response plan. That review might recommend building a dedicated facility – though knowing what scale to build it at, and planning for staffing if it is out in the wops, would be a challenge. Almost certainly we would err on the side of building it too small – so that in a large pandemic it would lack sufficient capacity and we would be back to using hotels. Also a challenge would be future National governments either neglecting its maintenance between pandemics, or selling it to their private sector mates for bargain basement prices…
   • Pat 5.1

     22 February 2021 at 10:47 am

     +1
6. Ad 6

   22 February 2021 at 11:52 am

   I was always told that reversing your V sign was for something else entirely.
   • Incognito 6.1

     22 February 2021 at 12:41 pm

     Live longer and prosper?
7. Treetop 7

   22 February 2021 at 12:38 pm

   When it comes to Covid-19 I feel that those who are vaccinated will find it easier than those who are not vaccinated to travel to another country.

   Is vaccination for Covid-19 going to be mandatory before entry into another country?
   • McFlock 7.1

     22 February 2021 at 1:34 pm

     Some countries, almost certainly. which ones, nobody knows. Might even be NZ.
     • Treetop 7.1.1

       22 February 2021 at 5:38 pm

       Some countries might even have no vaccination programme. Those that do not and the citizens of the country who cannot afford immunisation and want it then what?
8. Sanctuary 8

   22 February 2021 at 1:25 pm

   I wondered if we couldn't re-open Kingseat as a specialist quarantine facility if it is any sort of half decent material condition.

   As for the PM & other key decision making people getting vaccinated – just tell people that the political leadership is vitally important and so that justifies a queue jump and get on with it.
   • AB 8.1

     22 February 2021 at 1:40 pm

     The 'value proposition' of this place (which in my opinion is an insult to the suffering of former inhabitants) is that Kingseat is derelict. At least it looks derelict – and I'd have some doubts that existing buildings could be re-purposed even if they are structurally sound. The site however would make sense as it wouldn't be impossible to staff.
9. Jackel 9

   22 February 2021 at 6:49 pm

   Yeah whatever Bishop. And maybe we could build a preventative detention prison for repeat lame ideas offenders on the opposition benches.

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