Waitangi Day

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1. Carol 1

   6 February 2011 at 9:44 am

   And then there’s this:

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4623054/Harawira-insults-Maori-Party-again

   LATEST: The Maori Party is in crisis this morning, with co-leader Pita Sharples suggesting rogue MP Hone Harawira could “cut himself loose” after an inflammatory speech delivered an hour before Sharples.

   Hone’s position in the party now looks pretty untenable. And he’s aligning himself with The Greens.
   • The Voice of Reason 1.1

     6 February 2011 at 10:05 am

     Well, there’s a backhanded compliment if ever I saw one. How many votes is that going to cost the Greens, do ya think?
     • Lanthanide 1.1.1

       6 February 2011 at 10:08 am

       If he actually officially joined the Greens, which I’m not seriously suggesting as a likely outcome, it would somewhat solve their 5% threshold problems.

       Really it seems like Hone can do his own horse-trading between political parties as if he were forming a coalition – you do something I like, and I’ll provide the safe electorate seat to get you into parliament.
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

       6 February 2011 at 11:29 am

       I don’t think it would cost them any. Might even increase their vote share. I’m not so certain that he’d fit well though – the Greens seems to have lost their activism and become mainstream.
       • Tigger 1.1.2.1

         6 February 2011 at 1:43 pm

         That word ‘mainstream’ really annoys me. Brash used it. Harawira just used it. It’s designed to be divisive, us and them rather than us who all happen to be different.

         I’d argue there is no such thing as ‘mainstream’ because you can always cut society into different chunks or divide it up in different ways. For example, as a gay man I think Harawira and his party are ‘mainstream’. So why he’s shouting about how different he is, to me he is ‘the man’ keeping me down.
         • pollywog 1.1.2.1.1

           6 February 2011 at 5:27 pm

           GOVERNMENT STEALTH WARNING : Don’t drink from the mainstream !
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     6 February 2011 at 11:26 am

     Sharples insulted by Harawira’s speech

     He said there was a risk the party would collapse if the stand off with Mr Harawira continued, and said it would destroy what was “last chance” for a Maori-based party to succeed in Parliament.

     It certainly looks like Hone isn’t welcome any more but it’s also looking like the leadership don’t want to kick him out 😈
     • ianmac 1.2.1

       6 February 2011 at 11:34 am

       “Harawira yesterday told iwi leaders the Green Party would be a better fit for the Maori Party than National. ” And that the Maori Party should be keeping its options open and talking with Greens and labour rather than being tied to National.
2. IrishBill 2

   6 February 2011 at 10:18 am

   Is there any other country in the world with such a complex and controversial national holiday?

   Columbus Day?
   • Colonial Viper 2.1

     6 February 2011 at 10:33 am

     Martin Luther King day.
3. nadis 3

   6 February 2011 at 2:31 pm

   MLK day in the US.

   Try googling “Martin Lucifer C**n”. Have a bottle of disinfectant ready.
   • orange whip? 3.1

     6 February 2011 at 7:45 pm

     How are you defining “national holiday”?
   • Jilly Bee 3.2

     6 February 2011 at 9:59 pm

     OMG Nadis – I took the bait and I found a few glasses of Pinot Noir helped to get over it. That was very scary stuff. I guess there’s people in our fair land who have similar thoughts too.
     Captcha – is that the right word – stupid, how apt!
4. clandestino 4

   6 February 2011 at 3:02 pm

   Maybe the media should ask what the Wellington earthquake and tsunami ‘prophet’ knows about all these shenanigans?
   • Vicky32 4.1

     6 February 2011 at 7:17 pm

     Yes, I have to say that scared the living donuts out of me, enough to text my son in Welly, and tell him to be careful..
     He laughed at me, which is a good thing!
     Deb
5. Brett 5

   6 February 2011 at 3:35 pm

   “Grab your guns White people, the Maori are revolting”

   http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=190298
   Nothing like Waitangi day to bring out the nuts
   • ianmac 5.1

     6 February 2011 at 5:15 pm

     I rather like the frankness of some who speak out. Even if the ideas appear “wrong”. But why not have the freedom of speech in a Democracy? In that respect Hone is so exercising his right in spite of risking the upset to the status quo. Hear what he/they are saying. Then decide. Same for Winston actually.
     • Deadly_NZ 5.1.1

       6 February 2011 at 9:34 pm

       Yeah and a lot of people are scared because he actually makes sense.
       • Nick C 5.1.1.1

         6 February 2011 at 9:48 pm

         Is this the sort of thing that ‘makes sense’ to you?

         http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/winston-peters-memorable-quotes/2005/10/18/1129401225653.html

         And besides, the trick with Winston is that there is a massive gap between what he says and what he does.
     • Colonial Viper 5.1.2

       6 February 2011 at 10:18 pm

       But why not have the freedom of speech in a Democracy?

       That’s what I keep asking Burger King on FaceBook.
       • Nick C 5.1.2.1

         7 February 2011 at 12:12 am

         Lets say that the CEO of Burger King calls for a Maori revolution, and as a result I decide not to go to Burger King any more. Would that be me taking away the right to free speech of Burger King and its CEO?
         • Rosy 5.1.2.1.1

           7 February 2011 at 5:26 am

           Interesting – if you exercise your right to disagree by removing your custom are you curtailing his right to free speech?

           IMO the CEO needs to consider the consequences of that expression on the moral and ethical values of the people who keep the business in business. Maybe in this case the right to free spech involves stepping down from the company that may be bear the brunt of the backlash – an ethical responisbility that goes alongside the right.
         • orange whip? 5.1.2.1.2

           7 February 2011 at 8:15 am

           Erroneous comparison. You are not compelled by law to disregard the personal opinions of CEOs in your burger-buying decisions.
           • Nick C 5.1.2.1.2.1

             7 February 2011 at 10:34 am

             And Burger King is (arguably) not compelled by law to disregard the opinions of its employees if they voice them in a way which damages the company.

             She may win the case, but if she does it will have nothing to do with free speech, it will be a matter of whether the employer has acted reasonably under current employment laws. Certainly it is concieveable that there are things she could say which would entitle BK to fire her. If she went around repeatedly saying that in her opinion BK food is crap to a large audiance, that would probably be good grounds

             Private individuals and organisations are perfectly entitled to impose costs on you (such as not liking you, not voting for you, not eating at your restaurant) for stuff you say. Its only when the government steps in to impose costs on those speaking that it is an attack on free speech. Individuals judge others on what they say and change legal, commercial and personal relationships with them based on it every day. If that was a restriction on free speech it would be a pretty crazy world.

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