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Colin Craig wants help with his legal costs …

Written By: - Date published: 11:47 am, March 7th, 2014 - 112 comments
Categories: conservative party, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags:

Conservative billboard contribution to legal costsIf you want to donate money to someone extraordinarily wealthy who wants to suppress freedom of speech and bully opposition MPs into silence here is your chance.

What else can I say …

Update:

It has been pointed out to me that the wording on the Conservative donations page, the amount sought ($70,000) and the design of the page is extraordinarily similar to the Greens’ donation page.  Even the group photo resembles the group photo used by the Greens.

Maybe they should include copyright breach in the issues to be explored.

Update:  Toby Manhire has theorised that Craig is a local version of Ali G.  And this is the only rational explanation there is for the phenomenon that is Colin Craig.

112 comments on “Colin Craig wants help with his legal costs …”

  1. The Real Matthew 1

    It’s hard to know which is worse.

    The Green’s, whose members of parliament earn substantially more than their supporter base trying to scrounge funds from them or this mob.

    Whose the rent a crowd in the photo?

    • felix 1.1

      “The Green’s, whose members of parliament earn substantially more than their supporter base “

      lolz.

      Oh hang on, you’re serious? You really think a handful of mps have more spare cash than the entire support base of the party?

      Wow.

      • Populuxe1 1.1.1

        Would you say the same thing about the blessed Brian Tamaki and his flock fleecing? There are quite a few beneficiaries supprting the Greens – is it fair to ask them for donations?

        • Puddleglum 1.1.1.1

          Would you rather the Greens add “If you are a beneficiary, don’t donate.”? Wouldn’t that be condescending?

          Also, last time I looked, the Green Party had quite a lot of support in the wealthier electorates.

          Given that Russel Norman is being sued as a result of his actions in his role as Green Party co-leader then it makes sense that Green Party members – and their support base – be asked (not required) to help fund the defence?

          After all, the supporters and members are partly responsible for making Norman their representative.

        • weka 1.1.1.2

          “Would you say the same thing about the blessed Brian Tamaki and his flock fleecing? There are quite a few beneficiaries supprting the Greens – is it fair to ask them for donations?”

          That’s quite a stretch. The GP are not placing pressure on people to donate. As a beneficiary I have no problem at all with the GP asking the public to donate, or even asking me (I’m on the email list). I know that the GP will have no problem with me not donating if I can’t afford it.

        • xtasy 1.1.1.3

          I am a beneficiary, and I am now asking for “donations”, thanks!

    • Draco T Bastard 1.2

      Just another RWNJ trying to take power away from the many by telling them that they’re paying too much for their representatives.

  2. shorts 2

    you could say just like Russel Norman he has the right to seek donations to cover his costs

    And I’m sure there are a few suckers out there who will

  3. risildowgtn 3

    Windowlickers

  4. Populuxe1 4

    And my answer to Craig’s tin rattling is the same as to Norman’s tin rattling: No. You both earn significantly more than the average New Zealander, if you are going to play sillybuggers you can pay for it yourselves.

    • Puckish Rogue 4.1

      Agreed

    • MaxFletcher 4.2

      +1

    • Lanthanide 4.3

      +1

    • tinfoilhat 4.4

      yep

    • Zorr 4.5

      Actually, the only person playing silly buggers here is Colin for thinking he can sue for defamation and then rattle the tin. How dare Norman not be bullied!

    • felix 4.6

      You do realise neither of them are asking one average new zealander to foot the bill.

      Don’t you?

      • Populuxe1 4.6.1

        No, they’re asking a lot of average New Zealanders, and given that low income people and beneficiaries pay tax and are supporters of the Greens, they’re being asked too. It’s especially affronting in the Greens case because it’s effectively asking their supporters – no differentiation whether they’re vulnerable or not – to show their loyalty. In my book that’s not much better than Brian Tamaki asking for tithes.

        • Puddleglum 4.6.1.1

          Populuxe1, low income people are routinely asked for donations by charities, causes and organisations. That’s because they are part of society.

          They are also, of course, exposed to advertising which is an attempt to gain what little money they have.

          Like you, I don’t think low income people should be emotionally manipulated to spend their money on things that don’t have any discernible benefit for them. But I really can’t see why you are making a deal out of this particular instance.

          Is this really your main point or are you just irritated that Russel Norman isn’t paying for this out of his own pocket and you’re using that argument as justification for your irritation?

          If that is your view, then think it through. MPs who aren’t independently wealthy will always be potential targets for being sued about very many things that they may say in the course of being an MP. If they re-tell a constituent’s story that may put someone in a bad light; if they accuse a political opponent of lying; if they speak out about, for example, the unhealthy aspects of fast food made by a particular company – all potentially risky statements that could open them up to being sued.

    • weka 4.7

      “And my answer to Craig’s tin rattling is the same as to Norman’s tin rattling: No. You both earn significantly more than the average New Zealander, if you are going to play sillybuggers you can pay for it yourselves.”

      GP MPs already donate a portion of their salary to the party. I don’t know if Norman could afford to fork out $70,000 himself, but given he is being sued for doing his day job, not something he did in his personal life, it makes sense that the GP help pay for that. This isn’t just about Norman, it’s about not aquiescing to a wealthy brat behaving like a child, and instead standing up for something of quite a lot of value.

      I can’t see any reason to not ask for help from the public with that. This is how the GP stay solvent and in govt and do the job they were voted in to do. They fundraise publicly. It’s no different than asking for help with any of their other campaigns. Or do you think the GP MPs should pay for all that as well?

      • Populuxe1 4.7.1

        Norman could apply for legal aid as well, however if he was doing his day job I don’t see why he couldn’t have used Parliamentary Privilege and saved us all the bother.
        This isn’t campaigning. Campaigning has strict rules and fewer law suits

        • weka 4.7.1.1

          Legal aid, lol. You are really off track here.

          What do you mean if it was his day job?

          I thought parliamentary privilege applied to things said in parliament. I doubt that Norman cleverly decided to make the comments outside of parliament knowing that Craig would sue him and then he could use the publicity to… what exactly? You think the GP doesn’t have better things to do?

          • Populuxe1 4.7.1.1.1

            “If” is the usual way of doing logic – if, then, therefore.
            And if Norman is so clever I would assume he would realise that Craig is litigious and think skinned, and would have saved us all the bother by making his statement under Parliamentary Privilege.

            • weka 4.7.1.1.1.1

              There is no if. Norman was speaking as a GP MP. And he couldn’t have used parliamentary privilege because he was speaking at the Big Gay Out. Unless you are suggesting that the Big Gay Out should have been held as part of parliament. Give it up dude, you’re not making any sense.

              • Populuxe1

                No, I’m suggesting that if Norman was specifically concerned about Craig, he should have raised the issue in Parliament. It would have been quite sufficient to mock Craig’s whole “homosexuality is a choice” shtick to great effect at the BGO without crossing any potential lines. As it stands it feels more like political point scoring off the struggles of LGBT.

                • felix

                  Actually Pop, Russel can raise the issue (Key’s low standards in picking teammates) in any forum he likes.

                  And yes, Colin and Key can respond in any way they like, including silly lawsuits.

                  And Russel can fund his defense of those silly lawsuits anyway he likes, including asking like-minded people to contribute.

                  I am genuinely struggling to see what your issue is.

    • MrSmith 4.8

      Rogue, Max, Lanth and the tinfoilhat all agree with Pop which = Fuck all.

      • Lanthanide 4.8.1

        What’s your point?

        • MrSmith 4.8.1.1

          I thought I was pretty clear Lath that I consider yours and the others opinion as hardly a great endorsement of Pop’s statement.

          I will leave it there.

    • David H 4.9

      Hang on don’t the loser pay the winners costs?? then Colon Craig may need a hand to pay it all.

  5. JK 5

    You gotta be joking !
    Unfortunately I don’t think Colin Craig has a sense of humour …

    • Colt 45 5.1

      Yeah I don’t know so much….. if liberalism is so great, so progressive, and of course so liberal, then surely true liberals such as Russel would not object to hearing the conservative arguement?

      If liberalism can’t stand the challenge of itself being challenged – by what Russle says is ‘outdated’ – then how suited really is liberalism to democracy and society at large?

      Really when you think about it – why would anyone need to defend ‘liberal democratic society” – by making it less liberal in practise as Russel is trying to do by silencing an arguement?

      Is Russel really a ‘true liberal leader’ behaving like that? He is looking rather stupid to the educated voter.

      Why is Russel so scared of the conservative arguement being expressed by just 5% of voters – if they get elected that is – and with National not willing to ‘roll-over’ in government to a minor party who would surely then ‘tea party’ the national voters and caucus?

      Mr Craig I think, is going to have the last laugh with Russel.

      • MaxFletcher 5.1.1

        “Yeah I don’t know so much….. if liberalism is so great, so progressive, and of course so liberal, then surely true liberals such as Russel would not object to hearing the conservative arguement?”

        No objects to Colin saying what ever he wants to say. No cares if conservatives express their arguments. No one is trying to stop Colin Craig expressing himself.

        • Colt 45 5.1.1.1

          So why then would Russle make such appalling allegations against him?

          They’re nothing more than outdated, outragous and demeaning slogans.

          I shudder to think what women and gay men thought when hearing those disgusting statements from someone who says ‘I and the Greens represent them.’

          Mr Craig is not on the record anywhere for saying that rubbish – but Russel Norman is.

          Mr Cunliffe would never use the word N***** if Maori’s were the topic of discussion and he wanted to infer something negative!

          Why excuse Russle Norman’s lack of judgement – or are gay men and women less in standing around here than say – Maori?

          Like I said : Mr Craig I think, is going to have the last laugh with Russel.

          • bad12 5.1.1.1.1

            Dolt45, provide us a link to the supposed word you accuse Russell of using against Maori, you might think it is really clever to attempt to link Russell to racist slurs here at the Standard knowing the stick anyone who portrays racist attitudes round here gets,

            Making such allegations without providing the proof means your use by date is fast approaching…

          • framu 5.1.1.1.2

            “So why then would Russle make such appalling allegations against him?” thats not diminishing colins right to free speech dimwit

            and if colin wants to debate why the fuck isnt he.. you know… debating

            calling the lawyers isnt debating – its using your power to silence that which you dont like

            as for the rest of it – lay of the drink mate – its utter gibberish

      • wtl 5.1.2

        What a weird comment, you seem to be living in some kind of alternate reality. Norman said that Craig didn’t believe in equal rights for women or homosexuals. Instead of arguing against Norman, Craig decided to sue Norman. To most sane people, Craig is obviously the one who is afraid of the argument and is trying to silence Norman, not the other way around.

        • Colt 45 5.1.2.1

          Of course he would sue him – and gay men and women of dignity would support that!

          Read what I said above.

          ‘standards’ of behaviour at the ‘Standard’ seem to be rather lax it appears.

          • bad12 5.1.2.1.1

            Dolt45, what you said above is meaningless bullshit without the provision of proof…

            • framu 5.1.2.1.1.1

              i would say its meaningless bullshit because its doesnt make any fucking sense – it hasnt even gotten to – “lets see the proof” yet

          • wtl 5.1.2.1.2

            No, the correct response is not to sue Norman but to say that “those views are wrong and I fully support equal rights for women and homosexuals, including marriage equality”.

            Anyway, you still haven’t explain how the whole situation means that Norman is avoiding the argument and silencing Craig, rather than the other way around.

      • felix 5.1.3

        Well, Colt 45, there goes my theory about drinking in the daytime making you smarter.

  6. MaxFletcher 6

    Keep the Greens honest?

    I’m pretty sure that the greens were being honest. Perhaps the invective used was hyperbolic but the message was right on the money.

  7. McFlock 7

    Funny.

    Greens ask for donations to help fight a stupid lawsuit from rich bully-boy.
    Rich bully-boy sees this and asks for donations for said stupid lawsuit.

    Crazy Craig’s been sniffing chemtrails again…

    • Populuxe1 7.1

      If it happened in reverse order, it wouldn’t be any less stupid

      • McFlock 7.1.1

        Actually, it would be less stupid:

        Rich bully-boy asks for donations for a stupid lawsuit.
        Greens see this and ask for donations to help fight said stupid lawsuit from rich bully-boy.

        Because the greens aren’t the ones taking stupid lawsuits in response to someone criticising them and that someone’s opinions of their beliefs.

        Shit, it’s not like the Greens’ beliefs have ever been disrespectfully described, not least of which by me (bunch of lentil-eating hippies, the lot of them). And as far as I know not one of their officials has sued someone because of it.

      • felix 7.1.2

        And if your auntie had balls she’d be your uncle. But she doesn’t, and it didn’t, so so fucking what?

  8. fender 8

    Yes Judas tried to hide amongst the Twelve Apostles.

  9. Lanthanide 9

    The difference between the photo used by the Greens and the Conservatives, is that the Greens are clearly all in the same room together and not photoshopped.

    Have to wonder why the Conservatives are photoshopped – it’s like they’ve never all been together in the same room. Fairly odd for a political party, I would have thought.

    • Rich 9.1

      Might be worth running those photos through a matching engine to see who they are of (and if any are stock). I’d do it, but I’m too busy working to keep my income above the Green MPs (who all give a chunk of their salary to party funds).

      • RJL 9.1.1

        The people in the Conservative photo are not from generic stock photos.

        They are the “high profile” Conservative candidates.

    • Colt 45 9.2

      Or they’re showing Dot Com tech heads and youth of NZ that they represent them and ‘their future’ and are also senseable with money. The Conservatives arn’t luddites it appears – which is a sensable look given the alegations that Russel is making.

      • mickysavage 9.2.1

        Wow a Conservative Party troll who cannot spell sensible …

        How sensible is it to blow $140k in legal fees just so Craig can say “told you so”?

      • Lanthanide 9.2.2

        Um, you’re saying they can use photoshop therefore they aren’t luddites?

        Sorry, but the quality of that image is very very bad.

        Realistically your choices are:
        1. Have everyone in person and take a group photo
        2. Do a very good photoshop job so people can’t tell you didn’t do #1

        Conservatives have clearly gone for:
        3. Get someone who “knows computers” to put together a group-shot using whatever random portraits of your members they can find, because you all hate each other too much to be seen together.

        • marty mars 9.2.2.1

          lol the photo is a shocker, so terrible it’s embarrassing. ‘Keep the Greens honest” ? I mean only really dim types give free advertising to their opponents – very deep fail on so many levels for those conservative party-ites – not that anyone will care too much apart from the laugh it gives.

          • bad12 9.2.2.1.1

            Lolz, the bloke standing behind what looks like an anal retentive Colin gives every impression He has an affliction of an entirely opposite nature,

            He has a face on which every kid would know as ”oops i have just let slide a big one in my pants and have to try like hell to pretend i havn’t”…

      • fender 9.2.3

        Yeah the youth will support idiots who can use photoshop and overlook the fact that their gay friends are expected to stay in a closet…

      • framu 9.2.4

        “Dot Com tech heads”

        1 – “dot com” is very 80s which kinda points to you not knowing what your talking about
        2 – i would wager that the bulk of IT and digital media specialists dont tend to be the same bent as the call the lawyers party

        dude – just stop, your making a huge fool of yourself

  10. Enough is Enough 10

    They could set up a blind trust I suppose…

    But seriously this is pathetic from the gay hating thin skinned lunatic known as Colin Craig. I thought people were giving him air time because of the humour element. Lets all laugh at the clown who doesn’t believe in the moon landing. Butit has gone past that point now. Do we have to hear from him again?

  11. bad12 11

    Lolz, didn’t i just walk into KiwiBank this morning and make a deposit in the ”Crazy Colin Craig Fund”…

  12. Hayden 12

    What would happen if a few thousand people donated, say $0.05 each?

  13. james 13

    Seems like a few people are willing to help ol’ Colin out. his fund has collected $50,000 in under a day.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11215841

    • framu 13.1

      “The account had already collected around $50,000 including a one-off donation of more than $25,000.”

      guess who donated that

      and so what – having rich party backers mean diddly in regards to popularity and righteousness

    • Tracey 13.2

      If colin craig put 100 bucks into the account of 500 members to enable them to donate to his fighting fund would he have to declare that he donated to himself?

  14. Yes Colin is behaving like a petulent toddler. But I don’t think much more of Russell’s behaviour either. Russel said that:

    Colin believes women should be in the home and gays in the closet.

    When asked to substantiate this he stated that

    Colin believes women are promiscous and being gay is un-natural.

    and

    I find that personally offensive.

    Firstly, even if we accept that statement 2 is true, it does not follow logically that 1 is therefore true

    Secondly, statement 3 is a brain burp not a thought. Colin’s assertions in 2 can be verified or otherwise based on empirical evidence plus defining terms. Their truth or falsehood is totally independent of anyone’s feelings. Why on earth would anyone care what Russell, or anyone else FEELS about it, unless they are lovers or friends of his. Russell is not my friend and his feelings don’t come into it.

    • framu 14.1

      russel normans words are just a paraphrasing of colin craigs public statements

      Colin believes women are promiscous = Colin believes women should be in the home
      being gay is un-natural. = gays in the closet.

      its all common vernacular stuff and everythign being said is a fairly legit take on things going by common and historical use of language on issues of homosexuality and womens rights. Russel norman isnt claiming a fact – hes saying “based on colins public statement i take them to mean “X”

      you guys have some major logic issues going on

    • McFlock 14.2

      Actually, I think that we should all care about the personal opinions of our elected representatives and those who wish to be such.

      Their personal beliefs indicate their bias when moral or imprecise issues are before the House.

      Worst case scenario, Russel Norman is someone who believes he should personally oppose discrimination and its supporters wherever possible. “Worst case”? Sorry, I meant “best case”.

      • framu 14.2.1

        i think we have to be wary of this little bait and switch being pulled here – MM is trying (just like colin craig) to turn it away from “what one could logically assume based on colins public statements” to “hes talking about evidence in a study”

        its a distraction

    • weka 14.3

      He also said that he is standing up for a fair NZ where all of us are valued (me paraphrasing). His finding of Craig’s beliefs to be personally offensive mirrors what lots of NZers feel, and given he is the co-leader of the third biggest political party in this country, that’s relevant.

      “Firstly, even if we accept that statement 2 is true, it does not follow logically that 1 is therefore true.”

      The first statement is only a problem for people that can only think literally. Obviously Norman was shorthanding Craig’s sexism and homophobia by using two very well known turns of phrase. The only people that think that Norman was being literal are Craig and pedants.

      • framu 14.3.1

        ie: “colin craig doesnt think gay people should stay in closets” – as in a physical closet

        • weka 14.3.1.1

          Just seen your and McFlock’s comments :-)

        • Populuxe1 14.3.1.2

          He prefers us out where his SS can find us

        • Hayden 14.3.1.3

          I would love to see him state that he’s never literally pushed a gay person into an actual closet, nor stood at the kitchen door, shooing a woman back into it.

      • felix 14.3.2

        “The only people that think that Norman was being literal are Craig and pedants.”

        Nah, not even them really.

    • wtl 14.4

      Firstly, even if we accept that statement 2 is true, it does not follow logically that 1 is therefore true.

      As other’s have already pointed out, this is complete bullshit. It is impossible to use rational or logical reasoning to determine if 1 is true, simply because statement 1 is a figurative statement. Therefore, statement 1 doesn’t have a objectively defined meaning and therefore any interpretation of that statement is necessarily subjective.

    • Murray Olsen 14.5

      You really should wait for the second week of Philosophy 101 lectures before you try addressing sophisticated notions such as logic, Michael. It’s easier to just say god told you. None of us can prove you wrong then.

  15. MrSmith 15

    “Keep the Greens Honest”

    Scary photo and it seems the money is ‘pooring’ in from the Christians I suppose and you really have to wonder wouldn’t this money be better spent helping a few poor souls instead of pissing it away on some frivolous law suit.

    Collin Craig is a cowardly fool like most God botherers, manly because when anyone questions or challenges there beliefs they’re never honest about it, they can never deliver with any facts to back up their belief and so they lie to themselves, others and let others lie to them, the “Keep the Greens Honest” cry is hilarious.

    • ropata 15.1

      Message to Colin Craig Conservatives:

      Pig headed denial of evidence is not faith. Prov 8:22-31; Psalm 19
      Blind obedience to authority is not faith. Acts 17:11
      Dull failure to think critically is not faith. 1 Thess 5:21

      Faith is an intuitive leap, an inference of hope, a subjective spiritual experience. Heb. 11

      We live in a secular democracy and it is wrong to impose religious strictures on people who don’t share those values. 1 Cor 5:12

      • xtasy 15.1.1

        No, no, you are wrong, the mullahs did it in Iran, we must have the same “rights” here in NZ! Colon Cringe just wants “equal rights”, nothing less or more.

  16. Tanz 16

    Colin never said that, though did he. Norman just alleged that he did.
    Maybe that spelling mistake was just an honest typo.
    Go Colin, up in the polls too.

    • weka 16.1

      Norman didn’t allege that Craig said anything. Here’s what he said, see if you can prove he is wrong

      “Now the thing about Colin Craig is he thinks that a woman’s place is in the kitchen and a gay man’s place is in the closet.”

  17. If Russell’s comments are to be excused on the basis they are hyperbole, then so are accusations that the Green’s policies will see us living in the stone age all singing Kumbaya around the campfire. Both are straw man fallacies. And saying somthing is offensive is simply another form of the ad hominem argument; no different from saying Colin is a plonker.

    One thing I used to admire the Greens for was that they rose the standard of debate above the gutter and attacked issues, not personalities. But starting with their John Key “Muldoon” comments they now seem to be slipping in their debating standards and are getting no better than the rest.

    • Hanswurst 17.1

      If Russell’s comments are to be excused on the basis they are hyperbole, then so are accusations that the Green’s policies will see us living in the stone age all singing Kumbaya around the campfire.

      The difference in this instance being that the Greens have not taken vexatious defamation cases to the courts to silence what you describe.

    • Arfamo 17.2

      “One thing I used to admire the Greens for was that they rose the standard of debate above the gutter and attacked issues, not personalities.”

      Good point. The Greens scored points with me for keeping to the issues and keeping out of the sandpit. They shouldn’t buy in to the personality politics and petty name-calling bullshit.

      • weka 17.2.1

        Do you think that Craig is sexist and homophobic? Should Norman talk about that or not?

        • Arfamo 17.2.1.1

          Yep, has certainly given me that impression. And No, because he doesn’t need to. All he has done is waste time and resources on a pointless cock fight.

          • weka 17.2.1.1.1

            Ok, let me get this right. Are you saying that, during an election year, the co-leader of a left wing party shouldn’t raise questions about/point out the prejudice of the beliefs of the leader of a right wing party?

            • Arfamo 17.2.1.1.1.1

              No. How on earth could you interpret what I said to mean that? Are you saying that Colin Craig has made the statements Norman alleges? Because if he has, then great. Post the evidence. If he hasn’t made those statements, why bother suggesting he has? My impression is that Norman comes out of this looking more stupid than Craig. And look at the waste of time and energy this little spat really is. I’d never vote for Craig anyway. Nothing needed to be said by Norman.

    • wtl 17.3

      Did you look up a list of logical fallacies and decide that throwing a few into your comment would make you seem to be smart? Unfortunately for you, it’s actually doing the opposite.

      Norman’s comments are not hyperbole. They are figurative ways of saying that Craig does not support equal rights for women or homosexuals. Is it really that hard to understand? Did you really think that Norman literally meant that Colin Craig believes that women should stay in the kitchen and gays should stay in the closet?

  18. RedBaronCV 18

    Isn’t this more of a new right wing tactic? Use the money you have to put your opposition into a position where they have to pay legal or court fees. Both are now absolutely unaffordable for most of the people in our society that the laws apply to. Hence for most people there is no effective civil law.

    When used in the political arena it is looking to shut up anybody who disagrees with the RW view.

    Used on Len Brown where ratepayer funds went to the RW and they tried to get him to pay towards the cost as well as that of his own lawyers. I reckon he personally would have been up for $100,000 plus.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if substantial court costs were awarded.

  19. RedBaronCV 19

    And while I’m here. Comments on NZ women being promiscuous- one assumes that they are being promiscuous with er promiscuous NZ blokes?

    Or is there a number for the girls and a higher one for the boys? or does the internet have a different answer?

    Are we not all equal in front of the law – will a judge have to decide on these numbers? Can he make them different?

    • veutoviper 19.1

      “Are we not all equal in front of the law – will a judge have to decide on these numbers? Can he make them different.”

      Who is the “he” in your final sentence above? Hopefully not the judge. We have a lot of “she” judges now.

      LOL – just stirring!

  20. Steve (North Shore) 20

    Colin Craig wants help with his legal costs?
    Russel Norman needs help with his legal costs, because the TAXPAYER will pay for the loser

  21. Richard Christie 21

    Michael Morris,

    “woman’s place is in the home” or “kitchen”

    is a common colloquialism. It implies a fossilised viewpoint on the issue of equality between the sexes.

    Good luck proving that using a figure of speech in this manner is defamatory.

    Norman only has to point to the “promiscuous” quote to show Craig applies double standards to the differing sexes. I’m sure there are other examples available.

    This case is has the same level of stupidity as the that taken against NIWA by climate change deniers, who were so divorced from reality that they believed in the fantasy of their own creation.

  22. xtasy 22

    This is Bullshit, as Colin Craig may not be the richest amongst us, but he has previously shown he is not shy of spending millions on his campaigns for mayor of Auckland, for his election ambitions now, and whatever else. He is doing this with ulterior motives, simply to get more attention and to make this a “public” issue, nothing else.

    Well, good on him for trying, but any intelligent and sensible person must see through what he does and claims. This is not worth the attention he seeks!

  23. ropata 23

    Not only does CC think women belong in the kitchen and gays in the closet; but also that parents should be able to assault their children[1]. I’m sure CC would use weasel words and legal clauses but the end result would be the same. What a pillock.

    [1] ref: con party website, search for ‘smacking’

  24. felix 24

    Something about all this has slipped beneath the radar.

    Russel’s statements about Colin were actually in the context of criticising John Key. It was in the context of ‘look at Key, he’s such a scumbag that he’s even willing to team up with Colin Craig who hates women and gays.

    Wonder if John Key’s secret trust will be supporting Colin financially…

  25. Tigger 25

    I will never understand those very religious who trump integrity as a moral yet cannot identify a lack of it in their leaders.

  26. red blooded 26

    Can CC point to any public statements supporting women in the workplace (eg an extension of paid parental leave, more women on boards of directors, or more female MPs?) or respect for gay people (eg marriage equality, adoption rights?). If not, it’s hard to imagine how he hopes to “prove” his case.

    This whole issue is muddle-headed. Does CC want his supporters to think that he DOES approve of the policies listed above? One doubts whether many of them do.

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    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • How You Can Help the Homeless
    At any one time, there are an estimated 357 homeless people in Central Auckland alone, many enduring hardships beyond the rain, wind and cold of sleeping rough. October 10 is World Homeless Day when the public are invited to learn...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Over 20% of Gold Production Now Pledged to Kiwifruit Claim
    Kiwifruit growers representing over 20% of New Zealand gold kiwifruit production have already pledged to join The Kiwifruit Claim, the chairman of the claim’s grower committee, John Cameron, said today....
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • ‘Creepy’ Decision on Up-Skirt Filming Slammed
    Family First NZ says that a discharge without conviction given to a man who filmed up a woman's dress in a Wellington department store is a ‘creepy’ decision that should concern all people who value their privacy. “This decision by...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Speaker leads delegation to CPA Conference
    Strengthening New Zealand’s ties with parliaments from across the world will be the focus of the upcoming delegation to the 60th Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) Conference in Yaoundé, Cameroon from 4-10 October and the 131st Inter-Parliamentary...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Response to Russell Brown and Tertiary Education Union
    The allegation that I have worked with others to discredit public health efforts is wrong. My public comments in relation to public health researchers have been where academics have mislead the public about official support or endorsement, and where...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • 17 jobs lost as Bridon/Cookes reaches the end of its rope
    Seventeen workers at the iconic Bridon/Cookes wire rope company in Auckland are to be made redundant as the company ceases production in New Zealand. The company has blamed the high New Zealand dollar for making it uncompetitive to keep the...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Slip in University Rankings – Funding Not the Problem
    Responding to the slippage of New Zealand universities' rankings , Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Time to rethink police chases, says safety campaigner
    Police chases are dangerous and generally unnecessary, says the American Federal Bureau of Investigation....
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Robertson now expected to be Labour leader by Xmas
    Grant Robertson is now overwhelmingly picked to become the next leader of the Labour Party by the end of the year, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Another potential Labour...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Documenting historic Māori land law cases for the first time
    A new book from Victoria University of Wellington’s Faculty of Law will continue to put the spotlight on Māori Land Law judgments which have never before been published....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • ‘Oily’ people greet Petroleum Summit diners
    Greenpeace activists smeared in fake oil have greeted guests arriving at the part-Statoil sponsored Petroleum Summit dinner this evening....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Key Decisions Made About Labour’s Leadership Election
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has made the key decisions about the timetable and process around the election of Labour’s Party Leader. The result will be announced on Tuesday 18th November, following a comprehensive and extensive process unique...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Suspected $6 Million Dollar Wananga Fraud Alarming
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on on the Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi to front up over claims the Wananga has pocketed government overpayments amounting to $6 million of taxpayers' money. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
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