Daily review 02/10/2023

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1. Dennis Frank 1

   2 October 2023 at 5:50 pm

   Ex-Labour screwball getting all puffed up about reverse racism:

   The Three Waters scheme that is designed ultimately to give total control of water to Maori was advanced by Nanaia Mahuta and, despite promises from Hipkins, it still hasn’t been fundamentally changed. https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/10/02/michael-bassett-hapless-hipkins-and-his-racism/

   Huh? I never saw any indication of total control by Maori in any media the past 3 years & I was watching that space continuously. Is the elderly coot on drugs??

   He seems to believe that an essay that is mere anti-Labour diatribe and an evidence-free zone will impress readers. Not a chance.
   • SPC 1.1

     2 October 2023 at 6:04 pm

     Once bitten by the favour of gated community privilege (international capitalism class), then everyone else are those subject to being over-ruled and under occupation – including the indigenous.
   • AB 1.2

     2 October 2023 at 7:29 pm

     Scott Hamilton, who is damn good and not given the platforms he deserves, nailed Basset to the wall a couple of years ago – essentially claiming intellectual dishonesty. Make of it what you will.

     Hamilton's Reading the Maps blog used to be an absolute go to for me. Anyone who rates Kendrick Smithyman as highly as Hamilton does, gets my admiration for their excellent judgment.
2. SPC 2

   2 October 2023 at 5:59 pm

   The government has issued a $7M stamp to enable the continuance of skiing.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/exclusive-cabinet-rubberstamps-another-7m-to-keep-ruapehu-skifields-open.html

   The National wants to issue 350 $2m stamps to foreigners to fund its re-election bribe.
   • gsays 2.1

     2 October 2023 at 6:09 pm

     Something is a bit smelly about all this.

     A fairly well informed wee birdie told me that a solution to this was scarpered because a well informed person with inside information gave advice to Tuwharetoa to lowball their offer in the recent settlement attempts.
   • SPC 2.2

     2 October 2023 at 6:12 pm

     https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/09/07/ngati-tuwharetoa-drops-bid-for-ruapehu-alpine-lifts-reserves-stance-under-its-treaty-claim-settlement/
   • Drowsy M. Kram 2.3

     2 October 2023 at 6:33 pm

     The National wants to issue 350 $2m stamps to foreigners to fund its re-election bribe.

     although Willis' "technical numbers" scam indicates ~2000 'stamps' pa will be needed.

     CLux and NAct’s big donors are absolutely wetting themselves at the prospect of getting NZ’s property market ‘back on track’ – and bashing "bottom feeders" into the bargain.

     Luxon unsure if he'll lower rents on homes he owns despite policy promise [10 Sept 2023]
     Christopher Luxon is unsure whether he will lower the rents on his own investment properties if National's housing policy is enacted despite saying the plans would put a "downward pressure on rents" if the party is elected.

     Economists' analysis rubbishes National's foreign buyers tax numbers [14 Sept 2023]
     Reddell – a fiscal conservative who has heavily criticised the Labour government and the current Reserve Bank in the past – was sceptical.
     …
     He said this analysis made him doubt National's economic credibility.

     "It goes at the margin to people's sense of 'are these people as capable potential economic managers, and managers of our government, as they'd like us to believe?"
3. observer 3

   2 October 2023 at 6:22 pm

   Nixon: "I am not a crook".

   Luxon: "I am not a chook".
   • pat 3.1

     2 October 2023 at 6:26 pm

     now that deserves a chocolate fish!
   • AB 3.2

     2 October 2023 at 7:32 pm

     Does not being a chook still leave open the possibility of being a crook? A technical question.
4. Dennis Frank 4

   2 October 2023 at 6:43 pm

   I don't like the look of these stats: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-google-data-shows-winston-peters-most-searched-for-nz-political-leader.html

   New data from Google Trends on Monday – the first day of advance voting – shows Peters has rocketed up the rankings, receiving 29 percent of searches for New Zealand party leaders over the past 14 days.

   Hipkins 24%, Luxon 23%, Seymour 17%, Davidson 4%, Shaw 1%.

   Suggests to me that disciplined restraint has become a handicap for James. Voters will be tempted to believe that the GP has shackled him. Liberation seems a necessity.
   • Dennis Frank 4.1

     2 October 2023 at 6:50 pm

     Also this comparison, same negative signal:

     looking at search for political parties, National is ahead with 22 percent of searches, then ACT with 20 percent, New Zealand First with 16 percent, The Opportunities Party with 13 percent, Te Pāti Māori with 11 percent, Labour with 7 percent, and the Greens on 4 percent. An assortment of other minor parties are on 2 percent.

     Google's data also shows how search interest in each party has changed over the course of the year relative to each other.

     As a measure of interest voters have in the parties, this data can't be dismissed. I'm puzzled by such relative lack of interest in Greens. Could be voters were alienated by GP groupthink, but then their polling would still be baselining around the MMP threshold in stark contrast with current polls…
     • alwyn 4.1.1

       2 October 2023 at 7:01 pm

       Perhaps the people doing the searches are interested in what the Government will be likely to do rather than in what the parties in Opposition might be talking about?

       After all they Opposition aren't going to be in a position to actually bring into play any of their proposals during the next 9 or so years so who really cares about them.

       What a shame that the Green Party won't settle for being an environmental group without the rather extreme social positions they are putting forward. On environmental matters there is no real reason they couldn't go into partnership with National and do so instead of ACT.
       • Drowsy M. Kram 4.1.1.1

         2 October 2023 at 7:16 pm

         Perhaps Green party MPs, members and supporters would be more receptive to the idea of a "partnership with National" if it weren't for rwnjs demonstrating their profound ignorance of Aotearoa's critically endangered species – "what a shame".
         • alwyn 4.1.1.1.1

           2 October 2023 at 7:29 pm

           Which of the National MPs, or probable MPs after the election, did you have in mind? Be specific. I don't see, for example that any of the top ranked dozen or so in their list are particularly ignorant as far as the important matters like Climate Change are concerned. And it is things like Climate Change that are vastly more important than the fate of rare sandflies in the Haast region.

           However you seem to think the National MPs are at fault so who do you have in mind?
           • Drowsy M. Kram 4.1.1.1.1.1

             2 October 2023 at 8:42 pm

             Did I mention “National MPs“? Did I mention “Climate Change“? Although I will admit to being profoundly ignorant of “rare sandflies in the Haast region.”

             It’s almost as if some rwnjs don’t value Aoteroa’s natural environment at all – “what a shame“.
             • alwyn …

               2 October 2023 at 8:45 pm

               If they were going to work with National it would be with the National MPs, not with anyone else. Who did you think decides their policy?
               • Drowsy M. Kram …

                 2 October 2023 at 9:42 pm

                 That seems tangential – your ignorant comment making light of the death of two (critically endangered) bitterns got me thinking about the 'values' of rwnjs and how such values impact on Aotearoa’s rare native species.

                 Tbh, the idea of the Green Party of Aotearoa NZ forming "a partnership with National" is "beyond comprehension".

                 'Beyond comprehension': Economists lay into National's foreign tax plan

                 If the Nats were ‘concerned’ about “environmental matters” and “Climate Change“, then wouldn’t you expect that to be reflected in their policies?

                 ActionStation has teamed up with our mates to create a political scorecard that shows which parties and policies are looking out for people and planet.

                 Check out the scorecard
                 https://electionscorecards.org.nz/
     • Incognito 4.1.2

       2 October 2023 at 7:29 pm

       Your anti-green glasses distort your views.
       • alwyn 4.1.2.1

         2 October 2023 at 7:38 pm

         I am not anti-Green as far as their environmental policies go. I don't think much of their economic policies of course and that is why I would like to see them concentrate on the environment.

         Their wealth tax for example would mean that we wouldn't have, ever again, a company like Xero or F&P Health in NZ in the future. Any new company might start here but it would have to leave New Zealand in order to grow. When they got to 10 employees they would be gone as the founders wouldn't be able to get the company to grow the way Xero did.
         • SPC 4.1.2.1.1

           2 October 2023 at 8:25 pm

           Care to demonstrate what your reckon is based on?

           Company tax would have been the same. So would the tax on employees.

           New share investment was based on the gain to be made with its continuing growth.

           PS Incognito was replying to 4.1

           No Green Party in the world could work with National, not even a bluegreen one – their environment policies are risible.
           • alwyn 4.1.2.1.1.1

             2 October 2023 at 8:42 pm

             Of course the company tax and income tax would be the same. They are based on the taxable income the people or the company receive. A wealth tax is based on the value of a business, regardless of whether you are making profits or not. A small start up business is owned, loosely speaking, by the one or two founders. Microsoft was, when it started owned 60% by Gates and 40% by Allan.

             When these businesses start the founders try and put all the money back into the business to get it to grow. A wealth tax would limit that greatly as they would have to pay on tax on the value of the business. They can't just retain the income, after tax, in the business. They will be hit by this wealth tax.

             Xero would have moved out very early on as there was no way they could have built the company up.

             Many years ago I used a computer software product that had been developed by an English Company. They wanted to put any income into growing the business but the UK tax law at the time (50 years ago) meant they couldn't. Their effective tax rate was about 90%. What they could, and did, do was get luxury cars, owned by the business that effectively cost them nothing. They thought it was crazy but those were the rules.

             As far as Incognito goes you are right. I misread the indenting. However the 4.1 comment doesn’t mention dealing with National but mine did.
             • SPC …

               2 October 2023 at 8:55 pm

               Really, you do realise what the wealth tax rate proposed by Greens is 2.5%?

               The founder of Xero had the start-up capital and more for its growth.

               And he could also sell (as well as issue new shares) his shares to others at a CG and then reinvest the money as new capital (the constraint would have been a CGT liability which 35/36 OECD nations have by the way).

               Paying off a small percentage 2.5% each year would not have changed that. A bigger constraint would have been doing the same where there was a CGT.

               How does this apply to F @ P Health anyhow?
         • Incognito 4.1.2.1.2

           2 October 2023 at 9:18 pm

           You say that you’re not anti-Green but you wish the Green Party stops being a Green party!?

           I have no idea where you pulled your nightmare scenario from, but there are thriving countries that have a wealth tax.

           In your dystopian fantasy, you’re conflating wealth tax on individuals, (personal) income tax, and company taxes.
           • alwyn 4.1.2.1.2.1

             3 October 2023 at 9:41 am

             "but there are thriving countries that have a wealth tax"

             Can you name some that have general wealth taxes on all assets that are levied at a rate of at least 2%? The only country in Europe that has anything like that is Spain and I certainly wouldn't describe its economy as thriving.

             In 1990 there were 12 European countries that had wealth taxes. They didn't work and they were dropped.
   • weka 4.2

     2 October 2023 at 8:09 pm

     some perspective

     https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&geo=NZ&q=winston%20peters,green%20party&hl=en

     https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&geo=NZ&q=winston%20peters,green%20party,rugby&hl=en
5. psych nurse 5

   2 October 2023 at 7:14 pm

   My dream senario would see NZ First continue to erode ACT,s vote to below 5% and Seymore loose Epsom to Goldsmith. Then the fun starts.

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