Daily review 04/12/2023

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1. Patricia Bremner 1

   4 December 2023 at 6:00 pm

   The March tomorrow.

   I hope all turnout.

   Ti Maori Parti Labour Greens Smokefree NZ All who see damage and destruction of useful policies, and I hope the signs are in Te Reo then English.

   If I was less frail and able to have the Pfizer I would march.

   The fact they intend to do away with the Fair Work Bill and bring back 90 day *^# , Mining on the DOC Estate, all their destructive actions and the propaganda hard sell beginning. Especially Te Treati threat.

   Tomorrow may rattle that arrogance.

   Act and NZFirst got what? 15% of the vote, and we get their policies. A power grab and a poisoned chalice full of malice.

   Protest Protest.
   • Drowsy M. Kram 1.1

     4 December 2023 at 6:27 pm

     Thanks Patricia – an early start (for me) in Palmerston North, but I'll wander up to Skoglund Park for a look and listen.

     National Māori Action Day: Rush-hour ‘gridlock’ expected on Auckland motorways as Te Pāti Māori calls for protests

     Protest locations (Tuesday 5 December)

     Whangarei: New World Regent, 167 Bank St. 7am.
     Auckland: Palmers Albany Garden Centre, Hugh Green Dr and Greville Rd. 7am
     Washworld Pod, Hobsonville, Hobsonville and Brigham Creek Rds. 7am.
     BP Bombay, Mill Rd. 7am.
     Hampton Downs: 20 Hampton Downs Rd. 7am.
     Rangiriri: 10 Talbot St. 6am.
     Ohinewai: Ohinewai Hall, 1 Lilley Ln. 7am.
     Hamilton: Te Ara Hou Village, 100 Morrinsville Rd.
     Te Kohao Health, 951 Wairere Dr.
     The Base, Te Rapa Rd.
     Braemar Hospital intersection, Ohaupo Rd.
     Killarney and Kahikatea Rds
     Five Cross Rds roundabout, Enderly.
     The Wayward Pigeon, 2 Gordonton Rd, Chartwell.
     Founders Theatre, King St and Norton Rd.
     Rotorua: Rotorua Energy Events Centre, Queens Dr. 7am.
     Tauranga: Whareroa Reserve, Taiaho Pl, Mount Maunganui. 6.30am.
     Gisborne: Heipipi (Endeavour) Park, Gladstone Rd and Customhouse St. 7am.
     Hastings: Hastings Clock Tower, Russell St South. 7.30am.
     Palmerston North: Skoglund Park, Thames St. 7.15am.
     Hawera: Town Square, 9 Union St. 7am.
     New Plymouth: Cobb and Co, 198 Courtney St. 7am.
     Tokoroa: Tokoroa Youth Park, Roslin St. 7am.
     Porirua: North City Shopping Centre, 2 Titahi Bay Rd. 7am.
     Masterton: The Farriers Bar and Eatery, 3 Queen St. 9am.
     Wellington: Aurora Terrace bridge. 7am.
     Christchurch: Bridge of Remembrance, Cashel St. 5.30pm.
2. Dennis Frank 2

   4 December 2023 at 6:37 pm

   Secession or sedition?

   Tomorrow (5 December 2023) the 54th New Zealand Parliament will be sworn in. Before taking their seats, each and every one of the 123 members of the House of Representatives must, in English or in Māori, swear, or affirm that:

   “I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles the Third, His heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.”

   If they do not so swear, then they cannot take their seats, cast a vote, or be paid. The seats in question are not declared vacant, the people who won them continue to hold them until the House is dissolved. In the interim, they become ghosts in the parliamentary machine.

   All of which adds up to a big problem for Te Pāti Māori. Why? Because TPM aren’t exactly the biggest fans of King Charles III and his constitutional monarchy. Indeed, in a media statement released on Friday, 1 December 2023, all six TPM representatives declare:

   We do not consent, we do not surrender, we do not cede, we do not submit; we, the indigenous, are rising. We do not buy into the colonial fictions this House is built upon. Te Pāti Māori pledges allegiance to our mokopuna, our whenua, and Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We will continue to do our best by you, in accordance to our tikanga, amongst the monsters whose portraits still hang on the walls of Parliament.

   Repudiation of the Crown is a moral stand morphing into constitutional crisis. One must presume they know this. I suspect that enaction by TMP will usher MMP into an entirely new phase. World-changing…

   https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2023/12/bearing-true-allegiance.html
   • bwaghorn 2.1

     4 December 2023 at 6:44 pm

     What a ridiculous outdated thing to have mps swear allegance to an English king, as daft as having people swear an oath on a Bible.
     • Dennis Frank 2.1.1

       4 December 2023 at 7:06 pm

       Have thought so myself for many a long year. I even recall a while back onsite here pointing out that our MPs ought to swear allegiance to the people of Aotearoa.

       If they do go ahead and transform our world tomorrow by choosing the Siberia option, it will provide a massive scaling up leverage for their protest. I presume Willie & co have been brainstorming the likeliest developments. Any solidarity from them will be like flinging a cat amidst a plethora of peckish pigeons…
       • bwaghorn 2.1.1.1

         4 December 2023 at 7:39 pm

         They are going to do "what's needed to be in this place" ms Ngarewa packer said on t news.
         • Dennis Frank 2.1.1.1.1

           4 December 2023 at 8:12 pm

           Only a token protest then. How long for? Will it seem pointless??
           • bwaghorn 2.1.1.1.1.1

             5 December 2023 at 6:04 am

             Well see how token it is today,

             They already have luvon publicly vowing to improve Maoris lot in life.
     • Pat 2.1.2

       4 December 2023 at 7:27 pm

       So you wish to sever from the Monarchy?….what would you like to replace it with?
       • bwaghorn 2.1.2.1

         4 December 2023 at 7:42 pm

         Republic ,with an mostly powerless head of state appointed needing 80% agreement from elected mps,
         • Pat 2.1.2.1.1

           4 December 2023 at 7:46 pm

           A head of state elected by MPs.

           Whom do you think the current lot of MPs may elect?
           • bwaghorn 2.1.2.1.1.1

             4 December 2023 at 8:00 pm

             80% means they have to agree across the aisle, so the can't put Ruth richardson up for the job
             • Pat …

               4 December 2023 at 8:04 pm

               They could, and it may surprise you who they would accept.

               But lets assume they couldnt agree…80% is a high bar….what then?
               • bwaghorn …

                 5 December 2023 at 6:06 am

                 I'm hoping to Hand my exceptional idea on the people that solve these problems.
                 • Pat …

                   5 December 2023 at 6:23 am

                   Let me know when you find them…..theres quite a list for them to work on.
   • Pat 2.2

     4 December 2023 at 7:25 pm

     I suspect Mr Trotter is doing an AD….stirring the pot for effect.

     His case is designed to force people to think rather than seek comfort in slogans.

     It will likely only prompt those so inclined.
   • AB 2.3

     4 December 2023 at 7:33 pm

     Not sure about that Dennis. My impression is that there's an element of historical thought in Maoridom that sees the Crown (the other Treaty signatory) as to some extent their protector against a colonial government that is intent on violating the Treaty or turning it into a legal nullity. That's why, incidentally, that NZ becoming a Republic is so constitutionally fraught with danger, and nobody with an ounce of caution wants to go near it.
     • Dennis Frank 2.3.1

       4 December 2023 at 8:09 pm

       Yes, that traditional Maori use of the Crown as partner did provide protection for them. I guess the current radical view is that it has eroded sufficiently to make forcing a constitutional crisis worthwhile. I wonder if Willie sees any merit in the radical option. If TMP has decided to refuse the oath, that will force Willie to play his own hand (whether other Labour Maori follow is another interesting dimension).
   • observer 2.4

     4 December 2023 at 7:39 pm

     This isn't new. Hone Harawira for one has protested at the oath before. Only the number of MPs for TPM has changed.

     After the point has been made, the MPs will eventually be sworn in. They aren't going to choose to be absent for very long, unable to question or vote against the government.

     So yes, a protest, but no not a crisis.
     • observer 2.4.1

       5 December 2023 at 8:27 am

       And that has been made clear this morning. TPM will take the oath and be sworn in as MPs.

       Te Pāti Māori will swear allegiance to Te Tiriti (and then the King) | Dec 5 2023 | The Spinoff
3. ianmac 3

   4 December 2023 at 7:13 pm

   Oh dear.

   "#Newshub has obtained a leaked cabinet paper suggesting the Government ignored official advice on scrapping fair pay agreements at the expense of women, Māori, Pasifika and young people.

   Who are the Luxon lot is caring about?
   • joe90 3.1

     4 December 2023 at 7:37 pm

     Van Velden also told her Cabinet colleagues there had been consultation with the Council of Trade Unions and Business NZ, while Treasury said there had been "no consultation".

     But while Newshub's confirmed Business NZ was consulted, the unions weren't.

     The lying comes naturally.
   • joe90 3.2

     4 December 2023 at 7:43 pm

     Seen on the bird site.

     
   • AB 3.3

     4 December 2023 at 7:53 pm

     Who are the lot Luxon cares about?

     He claims that FPAs will be inflationary by increasing wage costs for employers who will pass it on to consumers, i.e. the attack line should be that National is fighting the cost of living crisis by keeping your wages low. However, we have to concede that wage-price inflation is a thing – it's not the main cause of the inflationary spike we have been through recently, but governments have to be cautious about imported inflation kicking off domestic wage-price inflation. The net effect is that employers will benefit with increased profitability and workers in the disadvantaged groups targeted by FPAs won't get any relief from cost of living pressures. Workers outside the disadvantaged groups might see some small benefit in cost of living from the downward pressure on inflation.

     So: employers benefit the most and clearly that's the intention
   • adam 3.4

     4 December 2023 at 9:02 pm

     So the Tory scum know it will hurt people, and still will do it anyway.

     Tory scum being Tory scum
4. observer 4

   4 December 2023 at 7:22 pm

   The fact that it was leaked at all is extraordinary. When a new government starts we usually have to wait a while before the leakers start undermining them.

   Cabinet papers do not have a wide circulation. (We'd better not name suspects here, but it's fair to say not everyone loves Brooke VV, the Minister exposed by the leak).
   • Chris 4.1

     4 December 2023 at 10:11 pm

     It doesn't need to have been driven by dislike for the minister. The nature of what this government's doing overall is different from before, and there'd be plenty of people opposed to the policy who'd feel duty bound to do what they could to halt it.
5. Joe90 5

   4 December 2023 at 11:46 pm

   Are we doing enough to protect ourselves?

   The source strength of the three individuals was highest during singing, when they exhaled 4, 36, or 127 TCID50/s, respectively. Calculations with an indoor air transmission model showed that if an infected individual with this emission rate entered a room, a susceptible person would inhale an infectious dose within 6 to 37 min in a room with normal ventilation. Thus, our data show that exhaled aerosols from a single person can transmit covid-19 to others within minutes at normal indoor conditions.

   https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-47829-8
6. Joe90 6

   5 December 2023 at 4:18 am

   Racist, paranoid, and armed. What could possibly go wrong.

   

   @reider

   ·

   Dec 3

   So here's a story of our time.

   1. In 2016, an Israeli soldier called Elor Azaria executes a wounded Palestinian militant. Point blank. On camera.
   2. He becomes a hero to the far-right and the execution of wounded suspects briefly became a wedge issue in Israeli society.

   […]

   1. Fast forward to 2023. A major cheerleader of Elor Azaria (and a convicted terror supporter himself), Itamar Ben Gvir is police minister. 6. After October 7th, Ben Gvir begins randomly handing out weapons to civilians, ostensibly because you need a Good Guy With a Gun etc.

   https://twitter.com/reider/status/1731113246499709063

   https://www.timesofisrael.com/family-says-yuval-castleman-killed-after-taking-out-terrorists-was-executed/

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