Daily Review 16/09/2015

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1. adam 1

   16 September 2015 at 6:17 pm

   Is it just me or are the New Zealand media goons.

   Just a bunch of white, privileged males – who funnily enough, sound surprising like al qaeda.

   Is it that a bigot, will act like any other bigot, no matter what their ideology is?
   • Draco T Bastard 1.1

     16 September 2015 at 6:22 pm

     It’s not just you. The NZ media are goons.
   • Paul 1.2

     16 September 2015 at 6:58 pm

     It’s not just you.
     The media is owned and compromised.
2. gsays 2

   16 September 2015 at 6:35 pm

   ha ha ha ha ha ..

   it’s official, if red peak doesn’t make it on to the ballot, it’s labours fault.

   ha ha ha ha ha… nice one, john.
   • Paul 2.1

     16 September 2015 at 6:58 pm

     zzzzzzzzz
3. Anne 3

   16 September 2015 at 7:01 pm

   John Key is having a serious fit of pique because all his best laid (and politically motivated) plans to change the flag to a silver fern… and get the time-lines right so it all came together when the RWC reached it’s hoped for zenith, is starting to crumble around him. So he’a taking it out on the Labour Party and Andrew Little.

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/284389/red-peak-left-dangling-as-politicians-wrangle

   What a truly pathetic pint-sized (character-wise) man.
   • Clemgeopin 3.1

     16 September 2015 at 7:14 pm

     The Red Peak has given our PinocKeyo a longer Red Nose today!
   • BM 3.2

     16 September 2015 at 7:17 pm

     This has been an utter fail again for poor old Andy.

     I guess he always knew he was only keeping the seat warm, who’s next Jacinda?
     • Clemgeopin 3.2.1

       16 September 2015 at 7:22 pm

       Looks like the Red Peak is pulling on your nose too BM!

       In the letter to Key,

       ” Mr Little said it would be Labour’s preference to change the questions but he made it clear that he was happy to meet Key in good faith and without preconditions.

       Mr Little said it was Mr Key who was playing politics now, by suggesting that only Labour could put Red Peak on the ballot paper.

       “He could do that tomorrow without any assistance simply by sending the finalists back to the Flag Consideration Panel who could substitute Red Peak.

       “This has been his project, his process, his priority for this term. Trying to now blame Labour for its botch-up is breathtakingly arrogant.”
       • BM 3.2.1.1

         16 September 2015 at 7:27 pm

         Trust me, it’s Little who’s looking the loser in all of this.

         Key’s bending over backwards when he doesn’t have to.

         Does Little not realize he’s coming across looking like a complete fuckwit?

         http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1578916&topic=5

         This is a link to the general board , most who post on this one aren’t the sharpest knives in the block, so I use it as a barometer for average NZ.

         Sorry Andy, it’s not looking good.
         • Gangnam Style 3.2.1.1.1

           16 September 2015 at 8:06 pm

           Whereas the Stuff comments see through Keys charade, Trademe boards always been a bastion for hateful right wing lunatics hasn’t it? The few times I have looked anyway.
         • mickysavage 3.2.1.1.2

           16 September 2015 at 8:30 pm

           I have read both letters. Clearly Little had no preconditions and clearly Key did. Yet you say Key is winning because public perception thinks that Key had no preconditions yet Little did.

           But you clearly know better because you acknowledge this.

           How do you feel backing someone propagating a falsehood?
           • BM 3.2.1.1.2.1

             16 September 2015 at 9:45 pm

             So why all the wankery with trying to change the referendum process ?

             Should have just accepted Keys olive branch, lots of win with that absolutely none with the current approach.

             Littles decision making leaves a lot to be desired.
             • Clemgeopin …

               16 September 2015 at 10:51 pm

               BM, whether the Red Flag is included or not is a decision that Key has to make. That decision has nothing whatsoever to do with Mr Andrew Little! Are you too thick to understand that?

               Read this and get a little more educated:
               http://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-16092015/#comment-1071589
         • maui 3.2.1.1.3

           16 September 2015 at 8:36 pm

           That’s the thing though we don’t trust you, well probably about as much as the PM who is now exposing his crafty pscyhopathic traits for the world to see.
         • Paul 3.2.1.1.4

           16 September 2015 at 9:06 pm

           The flag is a distraction.
           Who cares one jot about this when we .should be discussing….

           ……the TPPA, child poverty, water rights and quality, the loss of Christchurch democracy, neoliberalism, zero hours contracts, the sale of NZ to foreign speculators., the list is long.
4. Clemgeopin 4

   16 September 2015 at 7:07 pm

   Latest Flag article in STUFF :
   ‘Andrew Little, John Key squabble over Red Peak flag meeting’—by Andrea Vance.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72116986/andrew-little-john-key-squabble-over-red-peak-flag-meeting
   ——————-
   There have been over 350 comments there.
   Here is my view about Key blaming little for his self inflicted booboos! :

   Now that the people HAVE seen all the four or all the five flags with Red Peak, it is logical, meaningful and appropriate to include the ‘Yes/No’ question first in the first referendum regarding ‘wish to change’ or ‘do not wish to change’. Key’s argument that people need to know what ‘they wish to change to’ does not hold good anymore as the alternatives are already known! I think Labour’s proposal is a fair one and makes much better sense than Key’s stand.

   The biggest mistake that Key made in the first place was that he unilaterally decided to start this flag change stunt without first seeing, through media polls, if there was a wide (about 60%) support for the proposal.

   He should have realised at the very start that changing of a nation’s flag is not just a Prime Minister’s ego trip or just a National party issue. It is a serious issue affecting every one in the country. Key should have shown some respect to the process and dealt with it as a cross party issue to generate broad support. He did not do that. Instead, he played dirty politics and arrogantly went about it himself and set up a dodgy panel that gave a dodgy set of ‘choice’ to reflect Key’s preference.

   The entire manipulated process has been a stunt and a disgrace. All it has achieved is, it has divided the country and has made people angry!

   The best thing to do now is to stop the process for now and revisit it again sometime in the future if and when the media polls, consistently indicate a wide, (say 60%), support for change.
5. Detrie 5

   16 September 2015 at 7:16 pm

   zzzzzzzzz
6. joe90 6

   16 September 2015 at 7:16 pm

   Bernie Sanders address at Falwell’s liberty university sunday school for big kids. ( Sanders begins @ 15.00)

   http://www.c-span.org/video/?328079-1/senator-bernie-sanders-ivt-remarks-liberty-university
   • Clemgeopin 6.1

     16 September 2015 at 10:56 pm

     @joe90: That is a powerful thought provoking speech. The reception he gets from the Liberty University students is amazing to see. Thanks for the link.
7. joe90 7

   16 September 2015 at 7:48 pm

   Lakes on a glacier.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUoTDL99Mb4

   “One reason we’re interested in the lakes is because they might be important for speeding up the ice sheet,” said Allen Pope, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Once the lakes grow large enough, Pope notes, they can force open crevasses in the ice. The melt water can then move through the crevasse to the base of the glacier and temporarily speed up ice flow across the bedrock below.

   http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=86564
8. Morrissey 8

   16 September 2015 at 7:57 pm

   Something unusual on The Panel today:
   Informed and humane comments by one of the Panelists.
   Radio NZ National, Wednesday 16 September 2015
   Jim Mora, Liz Bowen-Clewley, Barry Corbett

   Not for the first time recently, one of the topics for the once-over-lightly today was the refugee crisis in Europe. As one would expect when the egregious Barry Corbett [1] is involved, this discussion was never going to be particularly enlightening. Despite that handicap, however, there were some intelligent comments made, albeit not from the university academic they consulted, but from one of the Panelists, Liz Bowen-Clewley…..

   LIZ BOWEN-CLEWLEY: I have a fairly unfamiliar view, I suspect, and that is that what’s happening in Syria, what’s happened in Libya and what’s happened in many of the places where the refugees are coming from has happened as a direct response of the West’s actions, in other words, the bombings, the shuffling in—

   JIM MORA: The invasions.

   LIZ BOWEN-CLEWLEY: The invasions and all those sorts of things. I believe that if you’re going to undertake those sorts of actions you then have to deal with the consequences of it. And if the consequences are a diaspora of desperate people, then those of us in those countries, and New Zealand was one of them, that supported a whole pile of this happening, then we have a responsibility to actually look after the people who are affected by it.

   JIM MORA: All right. Professor Al Gillespie joining us. ….

   Now, I am sure that I was not the only listener to groan at this point; Gillespie is one of the most mealy-mouthed and timid academics in the country. Just one month ago, brought on to the program as an “expert” on the secret TPPA negotiations, Gillespie expressed his confidence that the politicians would never be so secretive ever again, and that, anyway, “we have to trust the government.” [2] Today he spoke reasonably well, but carefully avoided mentioning the culpability of the United States and its reluctant “allies”. Towards the end of his contribution, Liz Bowen-Clewley was clearly getting frustrated, and had communicated this to the host….

   JIM MORA: Professor Al Gillespie from the University of Waikato. Liz, did you have a point?

   LIZ BOWEN-CLEWLEY: I do have a point, and again it might be off the wall slightly, but we’ve been talking a lot about this at home, about the whole situation, and again you end up having to say that taking refugees and those sorts of things is not a long-term solution. The long term solution is trying to sort out what’s going on in Syria. I have an idea, and that is that all the governments and companies like Halliburton and everybody that have made so much money out of the wars that have been taking place in the middle east, could possibly buy off people like Assad so that people can actually go home and don’t have to leave and put more money into infrastructure and make things work in those countries again. I think that we often look at things from the wrong end of the whole spectrum, and we’re not going to cope with all these refugees, so what do we do? Well, we have to actually sort out why they’re leaving.

   JIM MORA: Liz Bowen-Clewley, thank you. Barry Corbett on the Panel. It’s half past four…..

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/201770892/the-panel-with-barry-corbett-and-liz-bowen-clewley-part-1

   [1] http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16062014/#comment-831650
   http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16022015/#comment-969675

   [2] http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17082015/#comment-1059852
   • the pigman 8.1

     16 September 2015 at 9:40 pm

     I heard that discussion. I mean good on Liz for being a dissenting voice, but the idea of “buying off” Assad is a little naive, given any replacement (whether installed by the West or naturally filling the power vacuum) is likely to be just as bad.
     • Morrissey 8.1.1

       17 September 2015 at 6:51 am

       I agree with you. The disaster in Syria is due to “The West” (i.e. the United States and its underlings) arming and supporting Al Qaeda/ISIS for the last four years.
9. The Chairman 9

   16 September 2015 at 9:36 pm

   From the outside looking in, be it John Oliver or the casual observer, New Zealand must appear bereft of larger concerns to fuss over, or seem to be a pack of halfwits.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/72128719/opinion-has-lunacy-over-flag-debacle-now-peaked

   Clearly it’s the latter.
   • the pigman 9.1

     16 September 2015 at 9:42 pm

     I think the news media and the commentariat has pretty conclusively proved that we are not, in fact, able to “walk and chew gum” (ugh, so American) as John Key claimed on this omnishambles of a clusterfuck of a dumpsterfire.

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