Is this a question buddy?

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1. karol 1

   20 August 2013 at 10:09 am

   Thanks, micky. Is there a link to the Alistair Thompson interview? Your link just goes to Scoop’s main page.

   On the law. Key is saying there are assurances in the Bill (3 News today.

   “If you go and have a look at section 8a of the bill and read that in conjunction – as you have to – with section 15a and 15c of the bill, actually it spells it out very clearly. What it basically says under section 8a, which is about cyber security, the function there is to protect information – not to access information, but to protect your information… It’s quite different to section 8c, which is all about looking at content.

   “So when I sign that warrant, assuming a company wants us to do that and the GCSB decides it’s worth doing that, and we do that with a commissioner of warrants, that warrant will specifically say that you can’t look at content of New Zealanders’ [communications], and that that warrant will be reviewable by the Intelligence and Security committee.

   “So it is in the law – that’s absolutely where it is – and that’s the way it’ll apply.”

   But this is all very confusing for those of us not trained in law – maybe what Key is counting on?

   He slips from talking about cybersecurity to terrorism. And he ignores the fact that the content looked at under 8B, C &D could include surveillance of content of communications for intelligence gathering and cooperation with other entities.

   [Cheers Karol. I have inserted a link to the video]
   • vto 1.1

     20 August 2013 at 10:16 am

     John Key, the Prime Ministerial C#@t.

     But check this out for exposure of the wholesale tie up between this government and business “So when I sign that warrant, assuming a company wants us to do that …”

     Is all of this being done for business?
     Like changing labour laws to suit Hollywood wankers?

     Is there a separation between government and business? We know in Canterbury that there is not (Ecan, Chch rebuild) but it seems it goes much further.

     What on earth is Key hiding? What is his agenda?
     • Tom Gould 1.1.1

       20 August 2013 at 12:52 pm

       We will never know what he is hiding with all the big chooks in his pocket, those who couldn’t wait to interview their keyboards to declare Key the unchallenged King of the media world after he lied and bullied Campbell for nearly 15 minutes. Amazing how they rush to stick up for Key and make excuses for him, even when one of their own is on the receiving end of his wrath and bile. I guess they only need be reminded who pays them?
     • Blue 1.1.2

       20 August 2013 at 1:27 pm

       I’m guessing our Govt was asked by Warner Bros directly to bust Dotcom. Everyone thought it was the American intelligence authorities, but these days you can cut out the middleman with countries as desperate as NZ. No Dotcom warrant = no Hobbit, you naughty antipodeans.

       What Key is slurring here is pretty scary if taken literally. He is saying that companies decide who to spy on, then the GCSB reviews that decision and then Key signs off on it.
       • Murray Olsen 1.1.2.1

         20 August 2013 at 6:10 pm

         I don’t see how it can be taken any way except literally. Key would think this is the way things should be, because there is only NZ Inc., a subsidiary of US Corp. Society does not exist for these guys, nor does national sovereignty. In reality, he’s just catching up to Washington. Obama has been a constitutional figurehead, signing off legislation for the corporates, since he was elected. Those before him were no different, and Key’s roots are far more American than Kiwi. We can even see this with his contemptuous use of the term “buddy.” This is not Kiwi terminology.
2. Mary 2

   20 August 2013 at 10:24 am

   Key’s acknowledged he was wrong which means he will have unbridled power, and has then said that he will use his speech at the third reading to provide guidance for the courts on when he’ll use that unbridled power.

   I cannot believe not just his arrogance but how wrong he is that his third reading speech can influence the courts in the way he claims. Courts may look to Hansard when the words of a statute are unclear or to ascertain some sort of overall purpose – again when clarity around purpose may be needed, but Key is deluding himself when he says Hansard can be used to show how a discretion explicitly provided for in the statute has been exercised unlawfully. This is especially so when it comes to matters of national security. I’d like to see Chris Findlayson try to deal with questions challenging what Key’s been saying about this. It’s such a basic principle that not even Findlayson would be able to say Key is correct.
   • vto 2.1

     20 August 2013 at 10:33 am

     Agreed completely. Ffs even the most basic law student knows that stuff.

     What it does is reflect Key’s attitude to most anything – fake it til you make it.
   • Greywarbler 2.2

     20 August 2013 at 6:20 pm

     Key is talking like a benign despot as if his subjects can plead with him and he will decide what is right, out of the inestimable power of his wisdom. Hah. We want our democracy back – we never had one that was perfect I’m sure but it was better than this one. And the knowledge that a bunch of virtual yobbos are watching – listening to us all, at their will, or through their slave machines is mind-boggling.
3. Mary 3

   20 August 2013 at 11:03 am

   “Will Dunne or a brave National backbencher have the guts to oppose the bill?”

   No, Dunne won’t be brave enough. But going by the level of outrage against the bill Dunne will not be back in Parliament after the next election. He really does underestimate his electorate.
4. fender 4

   20 August 2013 at 11:43 am

   What a rude, immature little prick this Key is. He hates democracy and he hates NZers.

   Please be gone John, you’ve stayed here much too long “buddy”.
   • Mary 4.1

     20 August 2013 at 12:22 pm

     Key’s just said on RNZ news that National won’t be supporting Labour’s proposed amendment because “we don’t need it”. Well, John, if you’ve got nothing to fear… .

     In any case, Labour should be saying things like “we will be restoring all democratic and constitutional cornerstones that John Key and his government are hell bent on destroying. John Key is creating an unfree and undemocratic New Zealand and an unpleasant place to live in. This is not a society that we want to create and we will guarantee to restore democracy, constitutional safeguards and the rule of law that form the basis of all democratic political systems around the world.”

     This is the level of engagement with the public the opposition need to get into, instead of merely pussyfooting around with the detail of legislation most people don’t examine with a microscope. The opposition needs to get the real message out if its going to successfully counter Key’s rubbish spin.

     It’s the public who needs to be convinced.
     • fender 4.1.1

       20 August 2013 at 12:33 pm

       Yes Mary +1, all Labour are saying is put in writing the verbal assurances Key has “given”. Key rejects this idea….goes to show he has no intention of keeping his “word”.
5. Matthew 5

   20 August 2013 at 11:57 am

   I’M NOT YOUR BUDDY, GUY

   [lprent: Less SHOUTING. You might not like the size reduction or attention it brings. ]
   • fender 5.1

     20 August 2013 at 12:21 pm

     He’s not your guy, friend.
     • McFlock 5.1.1

       20 August 2013 at 12:26 pm

       he’s not your friend, buddy
       • framu 5.1.1.1

         20 August 2013 at 12:52 pm

         really glad someone brought that up 🙂

         anyone got any internet money?! right – im on strike!
       • Daveosaurus 5.1.1.2

         20 August 2013 at 6:59 pm

         No more ‘buddy’, buddy.
6. freedom 6

   20 August 2013 at 11:58 am

   this is a question

   Mr Key, can you explain exactly what companies you were referring to when you said companies will ask for spy warrants against NZ citizens?
7. tc 7

   20 August 2013 at 12:27 pm

   Shows the value of being focused and not letting the slippery one get away with dictating the terms.

   Also helps when it’s a press conference rather than a one on one.

   ‘Campbell’s frustration and not being able to ask the questions that mattered was…’ his own fault entirely
8. Fred Lard 8

   20 August 2013 at 12:53 pm

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   • Sable 8.1

     20 August 2013 at 2:07 pm

     Or how about Big Johns fish oil with the catch phrase: “now that’s fishy!”
9. Tracey 9

   20 August 2013 at 1:48 pm

   “Key’s just said on RNZ news that National won’t be supporting Labour’s proposed amendment because “we don’t need it”. Well, John, if you’ve got nothing to fear… .”

   Plus 1000
10. Sable 10

    20 August 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Keys needs to go, he’s a disgrace….
11. North 11

    21 August 2013 at 7:59 am

    Spray and walk away ! That performance was spectacularly, risibly, gutless.
12. Rodel 12

    21 August 2013 at 10:44 am

    We seem to have a new, emerging breed of journalist..people who have researched their topic, ask questions of significance, won’t be satisfied with evasive answers and aren’t intimidated by bullies.
    Sort of ‘fair, balanced and unafraid’ but bona fide, unlike faux news.
    The reaction of politicians to this kind of questioning speaks more than their verbal answers.
    More power to the new breed!

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