John Key used to be ambitious about dealing with poverty in New Zealand

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1. mac1 1

   27 May 2016 at 8:45 am

   With the change from 2008 to now in Key’s pronouncements, what has altered that this most focus-grouped and poll-driven politician speaks like he does? Have the people changed that he can go from tapping into people’s concerns and awareness of a social compact to which Deborah Russell refers, to in 2016 being ineffectual and unconcerned?

   Because even if Key in 2008 did not mean a blind bit of what he said, surely the same Kiwi sense of fairness and social beliefs that he was addressing then will now see reaction against him and his sidling away from this same social compact?
   • Graeme 1.1

     27 May 2016 at 8:53 am

     I think the only focus groups that matter now are the ones done on party donors and within the National caucus.
2. Graeme 2

   27 May 2016 at 8:50 am

   Winston called him out on his changing rhetoric in the house the other day
   https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/31697564/peters-corners-key-over-auckland-housing-crisis-quote/

   It’s obviously got more to run yet, could be interesting days ahead.
   • adam 2.1

     27 May 2016 at 11:12 am

     “Is the Prime Minister able to remember any promise he has made, an hour after he has made it?”

     Quote of the week!
3. TC 3

   27 May 2016 at 8:59 am

   Snakeoil sales behaviour from then till now micky.

   The numbers dont lie and its why nact is always looking to supress, remove, cherry pick and manipulate them.
4. phil 4

   27 May 2016 at 9:14 am

   It’s all there in one word “underclass”. Key sets the haves against the havenots with classic divide and rule dogma. An egalitarian society is not class based, creating a new “untermensch” who’s inability to conform to the aspirational program is their fault entrenches divisions that make a mockery of the egalitarianism of the kiwi ideal.
   Unfortunately for key a population of 4.6m is not sufficient to sustain a credit bubble driven by property speculation and rampant borrowing. In a country with two degrees of separation it doesn’t take long for everyone to know someone living in a car
   • Olwyn 4.1

     27 May 2016 at 9:31 am

     +100. Spot on Phil.
5. Sabine 5

   27 May 2016 at 9:16 am

   What happened?

   In 2007 he campaigned
   in 2015 he is PM and subsequently has run out of fucks to give about NZ and its Citizens.

   http://www.davidmcelroy.org/?p=12044

   from the link and just replace senator with NZ Voter:

   “Well now, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.”

   The senator reflects for a minute, and then he answers: “Well, I would never have said this before … I mean heaven has been delightful … but I think I would be better off in hell.”

   So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it into black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.

   “I don’t understand,” stammers the senator. “Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne and danced and had a great time. Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?”

   The devil looks at him, smiles and says, “Yesterday, I was campaigning. Today you’ve already voted.”
   • Draco T Bastard 5.1

     27 May 2016 at 12:12 pm

     Ah, so we’ve found where Planet Key is 😈
6. Ovid 6

   27 May 2016 at 9:23 am

   I discovered this Kafkaesque revision of what we are allowed to know about John Key’s speeches when I tried to find the infamous state of the nation speech Key gave in 2007 when he was leader of the opposition.

   Fortunately the National Library has archived Key’s website.

   I’ve downloaded the speech and rehosted it on Google Docs here (PDF).
7. Olwyn 7

   27 May 2016 at 9:23 am

   Key is a salesman, and his practice is to point toward where you want to go, and steer toward where he wants to be. Here are two examples that are not to do with poverty alleviation. The flag. What fun. Take a Labour idea and turn it into a Tory victory gesture. Well that one didn’t work. Then the electric car. How nice, how Green. Give financial breaks of some kind to those who can afford electric cars and then let them drive in bus lanes, to compete with public transport. The same goes for poverty – make caring noises to soothe the middle class but do whatever advances your real aims. It doesn’t seem to be working as well as it once did – little by little the soothing talk is failing to shut down competing narratives. But nothing Key has ever done as PM indicates any real concern for the destitution his policies and methods have produced. His measure seems to be how successfully he has won over the middle class and how much ground he has taken for his tribe.
8. Mosa 8

   27 May 2016 at 10:31 am

   Never Never believe a Tory when they say the care for the underclass its rubbish.
   A lot of kiwis are under the John Key spell with help in the deception from the MSM and establishment.
   If he was genuine he would be in a left wing party.
   The right wing prescription is the same except sold by a smiling ‘one of us state house kiwis “have a selfie with salesman.Steady as she goes is another favorite doing the rounds post budget that does nothin
   g for car dwellers ,poor, working poor ,or the middle class and hard up pensioners unless you have a gold card.
   The biggest con job in NZ political history
9. esoteric pineapples 9

   27 May 2016 at 10:46 am

   “The John Key leadership of the country was initially so promising.” – I thought he was going to be a nightmare from the beginning. Sadly, he’s turned out worse.
10. dv 10

    27 May 2016 at 11:13 am

    Actually what should happen is that Little etc should use the same speeches, up dated to account for the last 8 years.
    Wouldn’t that be fun
11. Adrian 11

    27 May 2016 at 11:46 am

    “Originally he sounded like National’s version of Michael Joseph Savage wanting to make New Zealand a better place for all of us. Yet it is now increasingly clear that this was spin”…eh? what? “increasingly clear??” are you implying its taken 8 years to figure that out??
    I’m just going to put that down to excessive politeness on your part MICKYSAVAGE, but what we need here is a Revolution, and that’s not going to happen if we keep doffing our caps and politely pointing out the “Don’t Give a Damn” policies of the likes of John Key.
    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      27 May 2016 at 12:00 pm

      +1
12. Draco T Bastard 12

    27 May 2016 at 11:57 am

    I discovered this Kafkaesque revision of what we are allowed to know about John Key’s speeches when I tried to find the infamous state of the nation speech Key gave in 2007 when he was leader of the opposition.”

    Well, that’s why we have the Wayback Machine and Google searches 😈
13. marty mars 13

    27 May 2016 at 12:38 pm

    the slippery snake is very slippery – he was NEVER ambitious for the country – only himself and his mates – he is hollow – there is nothing inside, just space, lots of space – a gap, an emptiness, a missing bit. He is fake, a pretender, a liar, a cheat – he has no depth, no insight, no idea – he is out of his league, he is floundering and his great attribute is that he can make people believe he is none of these things. Why do they believe this? Like attracts like is my answer and for that all key-supporters are damned by their own inadequacies and self interest, just like shonkey.
14. Nick 14

    27 May 2016 at 4:44 pm

    It would be fascinating to have him speak at a debate where the opposition use only out-takes from his earlier speeches. Would he notice? The man speaks like a buffoon when he chooses his own words, so he would likely not even pick that the work of whoever wrote his scripts had been cribbed. Ah the gotcha moment!
15. Just Me 15

    28 May 2016 at 7:54 am

    Key traipsed around the country prior to the 2008 election with Aroha. Once her usefulness in his scheme of things had passed the “Used by date’ he dropped her like a hot potato.And where is Aroha now? She realised there is no “Brighter Future” in a John Key NZ and now lives in Australia.
    I am sure we can find other matters that Key used when he needed the votes of the people but dtopped once the votes were counted. Right now the Pike River 29 compensation matters comes to mind.
    There is an old Maori saying even though I am just a simple little Pakeha.
    He aha te mea nui?
    He tangata.
    He tangata.
    He tangata.
    What is the most important thing? It is people, it is people, it is people.

    In the John Key scheme of things the people are only important when he needs the votes. Once he achieves/retains the hallowed titleship of being addressed as Prime Minister he forgets the ordinary people.
    And so like with Aroha we have a ‘Used by date’ by many in this government.
    I do hope if Labour gets in next year they will keep in touch and accord with the people and not go the way of an arrogant and completely out of touch with reality John Key style of government.
16. Stuart Munro 16

    30 May 2016 at 10:51 am

    The Gnat’s ‘ideal’ approach to dealing with poverty involves 1080.
17. Chris Randal 17

    31 May 2016 at 7:37 pm

    No wonder people are becoming more intolerant of virtually everything.

    Can we look forward to a period of civil insurrection?
18. Kate Lang 18

    1 June 2016 at 8:59 am

    It was all a lie from the start. Who did he think he was fooling on the left?

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