Joyce’s dirty deals: Skycity

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1. Kotahi Tane Huna 1

   3 April 2012 at 7:52 am

   Joyce’s sleaze has been thrown into stark relief by the comparison with South Australian treasurer Jack Snelling:

   It’s fair to say there was a frank exchange of views,” he told ABC.

   ”As far as I’m concerned they now understand that there cannot and will not be any connection between any changes to their regulatory arrangements governing the casino and their investment on the Riverbank precinct.”

   He said the redevelopment was not contingent on the casino’s plans and would go ahead regardless of whether SkyCity was involved in it or not, ABC reported.

   The Australian Financial Review quoted Snelling on Thursday: ”I will tell them they are dreaming. There is no way we are going soft on them in our discussions [over the licence] in exchange for them investing in the Riverbank.”

   Meanwhile, Joyce puts government legislation up for sale. Normal practice is for the National Party to channel bribes through their not-so-secret trust accounts, but obviously Joyce simply doesn’t care.
   • bbfloyd 1.1

     3 April 2012 at 11:28 am

     he seems to be still operating under the assumption that the msm will continue with the blanket protection that their owners pay them for…..

     it’s a fair assumption when you remember some of the blunders key and co made during the last term that the msm went to great lengths to cover up……
2. Tom Gould 2

   3 April 2012 at 7:53 am

   Like so many of his smiling promises, when the dust settles it turns out the brighter future is actually reserved for him and his Tory cronies. Does this make Sky City one of them? I guess raking in millions from poor gamblers and blowing it on a Tory pipe dream could be seen as a kind-of trickle up?
   • bbfloyd 2.1

     3 April 2012 at 11:30 am

     phase one…. “donations”… phase two…. sinecures…. phase three.. knighthoods….

     it’s all so….. elegant!
3. framu 3

   3 April 2012 at 7:56 am

   something ive been trying to figure out…

   sky city say they will build the convention center in exchange for more pokies

   the actual operational costs (once built) are being met by who?

   who carries the can if/when it runs at a loss?
   who ends up running the center?
   • shorts 3.1

     3 April 2012 at 9:21 am

     perhaps if the convention center isn’t the success one would hope for then it could always be filled with some more pokie machines

     no need to let that space go to waste

     or perhaps another car park
4. ghostwhowalksnz 4

   3 April 2012 at 8:22 am

   The extra machines is only one of the policies Sky City is buying off the government.

   I understand that getting the right to ‘promote’ the gambling is high on the list as well. After all they have been buying celebrities ‘face time’ but that doesnt bring in much extra revenue. They want to advertise on TV etc .
5. toad 5

   3 April 2012 at 8:26 am

   In 2005, Sky City made a $60,000 donation to the National Party.

   Since then, there are no disclosed donations to National from Sky City. But I suspect that is likely because the Electoral Act changed with regard to the requirement to disclose donations.

   Sky City could have donated $29,999 to National in each of the three years preceding last year’s election and we would be none the wiser, because political parties have to disclose only donations that exceed $30,000 over any twelve month period.

   And I suspect, given Joyce’s determination to give them this deal, Sky City probably did something like that.

   Denise Roche has a good post on frogblog about the economics of the deal. It simply doesn’t make economic sense, so I suspect patronage and cronyism are again at play.
6. marsman 6

   3 April 2012 at 8:37 am

   Saw Sneaky Steven being interviewed by Espiner the other night, had to blink, thought I was watching John Clarke in one of his spoof interviews. Joyce made no sense, bullshit upon bullshit. Same with his Roads of National Party Importance.
   • ianmac 6.1

     3 April 2012 at 9:20 am

     You are so right marsman.
     http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/60-Minutes-The-Big-Gamble/tabid/59/articleID/5956/MCat/22/Default.aspx
     A remarkable program first up on 60 Minutes TV3 Sunday night.
     The blandness of the self-serving CEO was matched by the telling interview between Guyon Espiner at his best and Steven Joyce at his worst.
     Changing the Law to gain a commercial contract from the Casino seems so wrong.
     • happynz 6.1.1

       3 April 2012 at 11:48 am

       Interesting viewing. At first the boss at Sky City makes that play that a convention centre is a money loser, so getting access to more pokies will act as compensation. Later in the piece he offers up that the community gets a great deal in a convention centre that is an economic boost to the city.

       Wha….which is it, bub? Is the convention centre a white elephant or a cash machine for the community?
7. Kotahi Tane Huna 7

   3 April 2012 at 8:40 am

   Joyce’s incompetence and graft have dragged Slippery in – he’s busy revealing how arrogant and clueless he is too.
   • ianmac 7.1

     3 April 2012 at 9:23 am

     I hope this becomes a major Media story KTH. Well spotted.
     • Kotahi Tane Huna 7.1.1

       3 April 2012 at 9:56 am

       I also hope it becomes a major problem for Joyce’s ambitions. Key must have had quite enough of his minions exposing him to media questions after the last week or so 🙂
       • felix 7.1.1.1

         3 April 2012 at 10:10 am

         So that’s both of the supposed frontrunners for Key’s job have dragged him into their own scandals in a week.

         Friends like these, eh?
   • marsman 7.2

     3 April 2012 at 9:44 am

     An example of Key’s arrogance and cluelessness-
     “The question is would a small number of pokie machines in addition at Sky City materially make a difference to problem gambling, the answer is I don’t believe it will.”
     • framu 7.2.1

       3 April 2012 at 10:00 am

       and if you saw the news clip of that last night you see the text book body language motion for “im lying my a** off”

       not that body language analysis tells us everything of course
       • Rosie 7.2.1.1

         3 April 2012 at 1:52 pm

         I think the “body language” is a really valid point. Key is hopeless at hiding his conflicts with what he is saying with what he actually thinks. Yours is a perfect example.

         His face gives his true intent away all the time. When he came back from holiday at the beginning of the year he looked so depressed to back (he didn’t sign up for disasters and tragedy, he was only “ambishus for new zild” in his deleuded self serving way) that I thought for one happy moment that something might tip him and that he would be off the scene but it was only wishful thinking on my part.

         He’s able to lie to a good deal of the public and get away with it.
       • Clashman 7.2.1.2

         3 April 2012 at 2:49 pm

         Haha I saw that I thought he was gonna pull his nose off! What I also found interesting was that they seemed to run the clip for longer than necessary in order to show him doing it.
   • Puddleglum 7.3

     3 April 2012 at 2:22 pm

     And then there is this piece of eel-like rhetoric from Key on the same issue.

     It’s now getting to the point where he deflects, misleads and obfuscates as a matter of course. I can’t count the number of rhetorical ‘tricks’ he turns in these two pieces. (Well, I can – but I’ll leave it to others to ‘spot the tricks’.)
8. starlight 8

   3 April 2012 at 8:51 am

   Clearly the public interest/good is of no importance to the key led govt.
   Is there a personal gain from this project,like in media works,acc,tvnz,nz on air,
   tranzrail,crafar farm sale, sky, where will all of this shonkey dealing end?
   There is a problem with gambling at casino’s in nz,so the answer is to
   increase machines by 500,in a populated area of auckland,to have a
   convention centre,a concrete and glass monument.
   Is there a paper trail of sleaze,deals,shares by govt interests,perhaps the
   whole process should be investigated as well,if allowed by key,which is
   most unlikely,its only when ‘whistleblowers’ leak information nz’ers
   really find out what is going on and has gone on,so the casino’s 500
   machines are added to the list of problems for auckland problem gamblers.
   TV3 news showed that the auckland cassino is quite happy when problem
   gamblers are loosing,but when they are winning they suggest they go home
   to bed, key says the cassino is controlling those problem gamblers,yeh right.
   To whose advantage?
9. felix 9

   3 April 2012 at 9:27 am

   There’s another aspect to this that I haven’t seen much talk about, but I believe it was reported on by Guyon Espiner on the telly the other night.

   Apparently Sky City has been paying off high profile journalists. Several well known tv/radio presenters/interviewers are reportedly on the payroll.

   This stinks enough as it is, but if Sky City are involved in corrupting our fourth estate, it does open up other questions.

   Does anyone in the National Party hierarchy receive cash or favours from Sky City?

   How much did the National Party pay to hold their election night party at Sky City?

   How many other National Party events have been hosted there?
   • deuto 9.1

     3 April 2012 at 9:37 am

     Felix

     Media Watch on Chris Laidlaw’s Sunday morning programme on RNZ National addressed this issue last Sunday – bits about SkyCity start about 9.30 mins in.

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2514378/mediawatch-for-1-april-2012.asx

     The discussion also mentions a Herald article about a week ago. Don’t have time to search this out for an hour or so, but will do so later unless someone else does so in the meantime.
     • felix 9.1.1

       3 April 2012 at 9:43 am

       Listening now, thanks d.
       • Just lookin 9.1.1.1

         3 April 2012 at 10:00 am

         I was surprised to hear on mediawatch that the “Celebrities” need to get paid so much as they can’t work as news presenters forever.

         What a crock! What a sense of entitlement.
         • Tom Gould 9.1.1.1.1

           3 April 2012 at 10:33 am

           Couple of weeks back Kerry Wooden was ripping into some wharfie who called in, telling him she worked several jobs so how come he was so lazy and privileged? No mention of sweetheart payments, though.
     • deuto 9.1.2

       3 April 2012 at 10:40 am

       And here is the HOS article last Sunday on the Sky City deals to the “in Crowd”.

       http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10795901

       Haven’t bothered prviding a link to the earlier Josie McNaught article mentioned on Media Watch as Sky City not discussed directly; more an insight into how the “in crowd” lives the (free) high life. Can be found on the Herald site by searching on Josie’sname.
   • toad 9.2

     3 April 2012 at 9:40 am

     The Nats’ annual conference in 2010 was held at SkyCity too:

     http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/heated-protest-outside-national-conference-3651095

     As was their campaign launch last year:

     http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5861273/Group-plans-National-campaign-launch-protest
     • felix 9.2.1

       3 April 2012 at 9:45 am

       How cozy…
       • McFlock 9.2.1.1

         3 April 2012 at 11:28 am

         Of course, that’s another way to sneak through some donations – those gigs can run into thousands apiece.
         • Colonial Viper 9.2.1.1.1

           3 April 2012 at 11:49 pm

           Sky City provides a venue and 200 head dinner to National for free, National charges its supporters $95 per ticker, what an outstanding $19K instant fundraiser that is.

           Plus Sky City gets to write off the expenses against the tax payer. Brilliant.
10. ghostwhowalksnz 10

    3 April 2012 at 9:30 am

    Key , when asked about the 2.5% ‘return to the community’ says theres ‘something not right’ about the figures. But of course he doesnt have the ‘right’ figures either.

    I guess it means more money paid for face time from Mike Hosking.
    • ianmac 10.1

      3 April 2012 at 9:47 am

      Hey you doubters. Mr Key has sorted all your concerns. There will be fewer pokies in Auckland.
      “Mr Key stood by his earlier statements that casinos were generally safer gambling environments than pubs and clubs.” Heavens he has found someone who supports his view. The CEO of Skycity I suppose.
      The Herald has noticed this important story:
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796342
11. Maggie May 11

    3 April 2012 at 12:55 pm

    There was a crooked government, who created crooked laws.

    This has to be the most crooked government in the history of New Zealanders.

    So many people are saying they are sorry to have voted National in and won’t be voting National again, but you know what it will be too late and it is their own stupid fault, they will have wrecked their futures as well as ours.

    The crooked government will have passed so many crooked laws that we will have no option but live in a crooked country – or leave.
    • marsman 11.1

      3 April 2012 at 2:34 pm

      Take heart from all the opposition to Shonkey’s slimy scamming, more and more people are waking up to the fraud.
12. DH 12

    3 April 2012 at 11:35 pm

    It’s pretty sad to see how far our media have fallen, time was this would have been seen for the corruption it is and the govt brought to account. Now they barely pay lip service to regular blatant conflicts of interest from this govt.

    Convention centres are not something governments get involved in, they’re a local council thing. A new convention centre in Auck would just take convention business away from other cities and Govt stays right away from that kind of trouble. Their justifications for doing the deal don’t even stack up.
    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      3 April 2012 at 11:44 pm

      Their justifications for doing the deal don’t even stack up.

      Lots of their mates get contracts and management positions on the tax payers construction tit. Damn fine justification right there. Probably not what you had in mind though.
13. kevyn 13

    5 April 2012 at 11:28 am

    How can Key and Joyce justify the claim that the construction will “create” 1,000 jobs, unless they are admitting that they are going to let the insurance companies stall the start of the Canterbury rebuild until the their customers go insane and take three-quarters of their entitlement in cash and buggar off to Australia where the ACCC will protect them from insurance cartels.
    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      5 April 2012 at 11:51 am

      Build more cycleways as part of the reconstruction, I say. That’ll bring about the promised jobs growth.
14. Dv 14

    5 April 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Could anyone list the targets, promises the NActs have met in the time they have been in power?

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