Know when to fold ’em

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1. chris73 1

   26 August 2012 at 1:49 pm

   Plow ahead would be my preferred option (surprise, surprise), problem being if National pull the pin who then do I vote for?

   Labour? Maybe if Shearer and Mallards latest comments are anything to go by

   Greens/WinstonFirst/Colin Craig? (combined due to same reaction) Noooooooo!

   Act? Only if they ditch the old hangers-on and embrace some the younger talent AND go back to sticking to economics and not faffing about with the sst

   Decisions. decisions
   • bbfloyd 1.1

     26 August 2012 at 2:35 pm

     I have saucers in my cupboard with more depth than that offering…. and they hold more substance….

     One dimensional thinking applied to three dimensional issues will always lead us back to the national party, and it’s flock of supporters…..

     One has to admire their ability, or determination, to proceed with the asset stripping, and distribution of the proceeds to their sponsors against any, and all evidence, showing how irresponsible their actions have been towards the society they were elected to represent….

     And the evidence against the asset sales having any positive outcome for new zealand as a country, and a society that would function well has become a tsunami of fact…..

     It’s straight out theft, and to blindly cheer it on speaks volumes about the type of support this brazen larceny is attracting…..
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1

       26 August 2012 at 3:07 pm

       We actually need an entrenched law requiring a referendum to remove that says that if the government does something that evidence shows is most likely to be detrimental to the country then that government gets jailed for treason. We need to stop these types of theft that governments since the 4th Labour government have forced upon us.
   • Lanthanide 1.2

     26 August 2012 at 2:53 pm

     Emigrate to the US and vote Republican.
2. Dr Terry 2

   26 August 2012 at 2:02 pm

   chris73. What decisions? Obviously you have well and truly decided – in favour of the Right, that is (unfortunately for you, a bad decision indeed!)

   Key back down? One cannot imagine such a thing! It would have to mean his resignation, unthinkable! He will gamble, especially on the appeasement of Maori (which one can only hope will not come off this time).
3. RedLogix 3

   26 August 2012 at 2:10 pm

   Impressive read Eddie. I’ve no idea what Key will do, but his trader instincts are at their sharpest when faced with this kind of choice.

   Ploughing on is impossible; the arrogance of this will ensure the entire process will get utterly shut down in Court.

   Calling it quits is impossible too; because selling these assets is the sole reason for Key’s political career and he would have to resign if he took this path.

   Therefore he’ll try to cut a deal … preferably with a large dash of ‘divide and conquer’. But that of course will leave a major hole in the books and give too much away to the ‘wrong people’.

   Or he could introduce radical legislation to ensure the ToW claims are shut down; but then again he has the prior example of the S&F debacle to see how that worked out.

   Much will depend on Key’s willingness to tough the negotiations out and I’m not sure he still wants to do that. His resignation is not wholly improbable … although I’d rate it a very outside chance at this point.
   • Rodel 3.1

     26 August 2012 at 5:15 pm

     Redlogix
     ” resignation improbable”?…Give him his precious f****n’. knighthood and he’d be off like a rocket.
     Give it now!
4. BernyD 4

   26 August 2012 at 2:15 pm

   If we could offer alternatives then a positive discussion might ensue.
   Problem is they (National) haven’t defined anything when it comes to the “Recession” itself,
   If we’re hemorrhaging money, we can’t respond until we can define “Why”
   The problem he faces is the actual value of those shares has diminished considerably, and they’re not going up any time soon.
5. Dv 5

   26 August 2012 at 2:16 pm

   What i find so difficult to understand is how the party of business has completely stuffed the float.
   • BernyD 5.1

     26 August 2012 at 2:23 pm

     To many assumptions about the Companies themselves.
   • felix 5.2

     26 August 2012 at 2:31 pm

     That’s the silver lining of having this useless pack of bastards in govt; there’s so much incompetence that evil hardly gets a look in.
     • BernyD 5.2.1

       26 August 2012 at 3:25 pm

       They leave that up to “Foreign Partners”
   • Draco T Bastard 5.3

     26 August 2012 at 3:13 pm

     They call themselves the party of business but what they really are is the party of dictatorship and legalised theft. Once you understand that then you’ll know why they stuffed the float. They really did think that they could just wave their hand and have the sales go through as they wanted them to.
6. mickysavage 6

   26 August 2012 at 4:13 pm

   There is one further possibility which I am sure the Nats have not ruled out as yet, urgent legislation.

   This would be a constitutional abomination and would destroy the coalition with the Maori Party not to mention race relations but with this bunch you can never rule such action out. 
   • Anne 6.1

     26 August 2012 at 5:42 pm

     There is one further possibility which I am sure the Nats have not ruled out as yet, urgent legislation.

     There is another possibility:

     pretend they are being forced to give in to the ‘mouries’… call a snap election on the pretext that they were given a mandate to sell the assets and now the country is being held to ransom by Hone Harawira, the Greens and Labour – in that order.
     • mickysavage 6.1.1

       26 August 2012 at 6:07 pm

       Right you are Anne.  Scary …
     • Sunny 6.1.2

       26 August 2012 at 7:54 pm

       I think so too Anne. Maybe throw in a ‘terrorism plot’ as well….
   • Eddie 6.2

     27 August 2012 at 6:29 am

     yeah. I somehow missed out mentioning that the likely scenario – ignore the tribunal, lose court cases – could result in legislation.
7. blue leopard 7

   26 August 2012 at 4:48 pm

   “The race card”

   It is of great concern to me when our politicians play into the baser elements of our characters.

   I would like to see a point when this tactic of divide and rule gets seen for what it is, an unnecessary creator of disharmony amongst us and it gets to be such an embarrassment to those caught playing it, that it becomes an obsolete approach.

   The bene-bashing fiasco comes under the same category.

   I am completely fed up with this bulls** way of “managing” our countries affairs, which creates more damage than anything that is trying to be repaired by peddling such rubbish. Ultimately politics appears to have become NOTHING about moving forward positively together and ALL about politicians saying whatever it takes so that they can get the salary of being in office.

   Ultimately intelligence is our strength and saving grace, we all need to start applying it.
   • foreign waka 7.1

     26 August 2012 at 7:40 pm

     It takes two to tango…
8. starlight 8

   26 August 2012 at 5:23 pm

   I guess key is finding out that nz is not such a push-over after all,it probably looked
   quite simple from his office in the US,all he had to do was become a member of
   national,become the leader,next PM and with the help of Goldman,he could do
   whatever he wanted,wrong,an overwhelming amount of nz’ers dont want their
   assets sold off in any shape manner or form,by keeping the maori party sweet
   everything should be easy,wrong,maoridom is more than the maori party,who
   lost seats in the last election and are not representative of all,so the battle begins.
   The only outcome for water ownership/rights is through the courts and not
   for GS or govt officials to collaborate on.
9. foreign waka 9

   26 August 2012 at 7:39 pm

   The pragmatic and honorable thing to do right now is to establish the legality of the sale. Be it by examining Maori claims or, as seems to be forgotten, asking the owners how they want to proceed – by casting a binding vote. Like a the real deal at a shareholders meeting.
   I do belief that this is politically acceptable, however the rich and famous already lined up for the “sale of the century” might get a bit of ruffled feathers. Not to worry too much, as there are plenty of other lucrative deals out there.
10. AmaKiwi 10

    26 August 2012 at 9:39 pm

    No American president before or since ever had such overwhelming public approval as JFK did when he went on national television and said, “I accept full responsibility for the Bay of Pigs fiasco.”

    I don’t think it is within Key’s constitution to do it, but if he told the country he made a mistake it would probably INCREASE his popularity, not diminish it.

    It might not last long. Within weeks JFK’s approval rating dropped back to where it had been before the Bay of Pigs “mea culpa” speech. But it cleared the air. The Republicans were never again able to embarrass him about this foreign policy fiasco.
11. Tracey 11

    27 August 2012 at 7:34 am

    Ms Turia is unwell.
12. ad 12

    27 August 2012 at 7:56 am

    If the asset sales agenda programme was delayed until after the 2014 election, would there be reason enough within the general public to vote Labour and not National?

    ie does Labour have sufficient policy gas in the tank to win the public if asset sales are taken off the media agenda for this electoral cycle?
    • Tracey 12.1

      27 August 2012 at 11:15 am

      I think many Labour people would vote Green, which might see National re-elected. Perhaps National people would feel more inclined to vote Green in these circs than Labour. I know that sounds odd, and a no-no 20 years ago but the times they have changed.

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