Lauranora – National’s biggest achilles heel?

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1. karol 1

   12 November 2014 at 8:20 am

   And as stargazer pointed out, in 2011 the Parole Board noted Smith still used other names.

   NZ Herald feb 2011:

   In its report, released today, the board said Smith continued to use different names. He uses the surname Traynor, which he said was his birth name, for his university studies, and when he lived with his blackmail victim he went by the name Stacey Beavers.
2. AsleepWhileWalking 2

   12 November 2014 at 8:39 am

   A couple of years ago the use of previous names giving criminals the ability to offend again/escape was covered heavily in Australia.

   From memory a glitch in the system allowed criminals to change their name by deed poll and therefore circumvent systems designed to protect victims of their crime/future victims.
3. miravox 3

   12 November 2014 at 8:51 am

   Hmm so there is a Minister who could be held accountable for not following through on the passport issue. I thought it would have ended with Tremain, seeing as he retired. So how many strikes is that for Parata now?
   • mickysavage 3.1

     12 November 2014 at 8:58 am

     There is a cast of thousands and I am sure the OIAs on treatment of the report to Parata are flowing as we speak.

     Potential Ministers involved include Collins, Parata, Dunne, Tremain, Williamson …

     I sort of feel sorry for Lotu Iiga. He has only just became a Minister and is expected to clean up this mess …
     • Tracey 3.1.1

       12 November 2014 at 9:38 am

       he was interviewed on RNZ

       here is the report

       http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/259168/smith-case-will-mean-changes-minister
     • miravox 3.1.2

       12 November 2014 at 9:46 am

       Yes, I feel sorry for Lotu Liga too, he’s taking the heat for mistakes before his time as a minister.
       • ghostwhowalksnz 3.1.2.1

         12 November 2014 at 9:52 am

         Dont have any crocodile tears, thats a national political trick is to shuffle ministers around for no real reason than to leave their mistakes behind.
         The real reason for not doing something like is usually money and that means English.
         So go ahead and kick him politically anyway
         • Anne 3.1.2.1.1

           12 November 2014 at 6:56 pm

           +1
4. Chooky 4

   12 November 2014 at 8:57 am

   Forged or illegitimate passports does seem to be an ongoing problem for New Zealand authorities …in fact NZ’s archilles heel for criminals both NZ and overseas

   …why havent safeguards been put in place…. and passport fraud cleaned up?

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Israel%E2%80%93New_Zealand_passport_scandal

   http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/16/israel
5. mickysavage 5

   12 November 2014 at 9:15 am

   Stuff reported yesterday that Lotu Iiga’s office was in “meltdown” and he was nowhere to be seen. I was fascinated by this leak from within as National is normally so disciplined. Slater is wondering today if John Key himself was the source of the leak …

   There are some very strange games being played.
   • Tracey 5.1

     12 November 2014 at 9:41 am

     like his leader, he needs 12 -24 hours of media training on what to respond… on issues he knows ar coming his way.

     key was caught offguard by a question they had never thought would be asked… step up the REAL john key….. mirrored here by slylands, gosman, goodsweat…

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/259168/smith-case-will-mean-changes-minister
     • mickysavage 5.1.1

       12 November 2014 at 9:55 am

       Thanks Tracey

       Obviously Lotu Iiga is floundering. Interesting that in times of crisis National needs a couple of days to focus group to work out what the best line is. They certainly do not have it right now.
       • Ovid 5.1.1.1

         12 November 2014 at 10:10 am

         His responses seem to be “Oh that’s a good question”, but he didn’t actually answer any.
6. greywarshark 6

   12 November 2014 at 9:19 am

   Interesting discussion on radionz – Smith/Traynor has had a stepfather called Smith and has gone under that name mainly. But he has told the parole board that his name is Traynor? and has been using that name to run a mail order business from prison. (Don’t know what he has been selling. But when I have been trading over the internet I give my name and address and I would feel unhappy to know these are in the possession of a convicted killer with a very nasty attitude to people.)
   • Blue 6.1

     12 November 2014 at 9:49 am

     My understanding is that he was born Phillip John Traynor and that is the only legal name he has ever had. He has been going by his stepfather’s surname of Smith, but had never legally changed his name by deed poll to Smith.

     The convictions should have been in the name Phillip John Traynor, which would have meant he could not have obtained a passport. Instead they were entered in a legally meaningless name, leaving the man free to do whatever he wanted using his real legal identity.

     The media has been incredibly confusing in their reporting of this issue. They make frequent reference to ‘left the country under an alias’ when the opposite is true. He left the country under his real name because the convictions were under an alias.
   • greywarshark 6.2

     12 November 2014 at 10:16 am

     There is an acronym aka that has been used in police summons/docs and personal information. Why the police did not make sure that their paperwork was full and correct I don’t know. Perhaps they have too many people on the front line and have sacked too many of the back room staff in their wonderful efficiency drives under the lean-service, fat-political-cats neo lib governments.
7. Tom Jackson 7

   12 November 2014 at 9:22 am

   One wonders who helped him flee. Whoever it was should be detained for a very long time. My guess it was his stupid mother, who has form here.
   • ghostwhowalksnz 7.1

     12 November 2014 at 9:55 am

     Not really, they helped to get his passport some time back, nothing done illegally there. As he was out on day release, and nothing stopping a prisoner to get a passport.
   • greywarshark 7.2

     12 November 2014 at 10:17 am

     There was mention of a sponsor who would be responsible for him while he was out of prison. Don’t know who.
8. dave brown 8

   12 November 2014 at 11:35 am

   Well all this stuff about who to blame for Traynor absconding and nothing about what the hell would he want to stay in NZ for?
   All his serious offending involved one family and stemmed from his relationship with the young boy. He was obviously badly off the rails in those years.
   But he paid the price and to jump from that after 20 years to media hype of ‘dangerous’, ‘manipulative’ etc is kneejerk stuff and part of vigilante mentality he complains of.
   The guy had been out several times, this time was out for 72 hours. How does that square with all the kneejerk stuff? Or is the Parole Board totally dysfunctional?
   Had he waited another year or two and flown to Brazil who would have cared?
   With hundreds of innocent children being bombed by Obama in Syria backed on our behalf by the NACT regime, and the assassinations of children by cops in Rio on a daily basis, lets not treat Traynor as the lightning rod for all our pet hates.
   I’ll wait to read his side of the story before I decide whether he’s a psychopath, but I suspect that he saw doing a runner as part of his permanent rehabilitation.
   And on the face of it I cannot disagree.
   • McFlock 8.1

     12 November 2014 at 12:40 pm

     He killed a guy. That makes “dangerous” a pretty reasonable description, in my book.

     No, he didn’t “pay the price”. He hasn’t completed his sentence.
     • Naki man 8.1.1

       12 November 2014 at 1:15 pm

       A copper coated lead pill would have avoided all these problems and reduced the stress on his victims, this cunning bastard is likely to offend again.
       • Tracey 8.1.1.1

         12 November 2014 at 1:31 pm

         not according to dave brown above, he is all reformed now.
         • Murray Rawshark 8.1.1.1.1

           13 November 2014 at 1:00 am

           Again, not what was said. You make a habit of this.

           I think NAct is safe on kneejerk lawnorder stuff because hardly anyone in Labour actually disagrees with them. In this post we see an unholy alliance between Naki boy and Tracey. One of the few Labour types I’ve seen stand up to the mob was Richard Northey, who fronted a gathering that wanted to bring back hanging.
   • Tracey 8.2

     12 November 2014 at 12:48 pm

     you understand that this so called reformed chap just broke a slew of other laws…

     🙄

     the children of brasil deserve to be his means to prove his alleged rehab… they are poor, if he pays them, will you consider him a charity on legs?
9. TeWhareWhero 9

   12 November 2014 at 1:56 pm

   Dave Brown –
   So blackmail, driving a man to suicide and threatening witnesses with fire bombing were not serious offences?

   Traynor ingratiated himself into a family, and abused a boy from the age of 10 to 13, including sodomising him. He threatened to harm the boy’s family if he told anyone.

   For some truly inexplicable reason, given his history of threatening witnesses in a previous case, Traynor was granted bail on the abuse charges, tracked the family down, armed himself with a gun and a knife, cut their phone lines, broke into their house, stabbed the boy, repeatedly stabbed the father and took the mother and another son hostage.

   The depictions of Traynor as manipulative and dangerous are based on psychological assessments which have been borne out by his behaviour.

   He continued to harass and obsess about the family while in prison. He did not accept his offending – appealed his convictions, the non-parole period, his security classification and the clinical assessments of him which typified him as a narcissistic psychopath.

   He has claimed he acted as a result of PTSD from sexual abuse as a child; that he had not abused the boy at all; that his killing of the father was self-defence and that the wife was lying when she gave evidence that he had held her at knife point while her husband lay dying.

   As to the ‘vigilante system’ that is out to get him – he used the prison system to his advantage including getting 2 degrees, running a business (and committing fraud) and presumably building up a sizeable sum of money in his trust account. He got his security classification downgraded and got a transfer to a low security prison closer to his mother; he conned the authorities into granting him release so that he could build up to the 3 days he needed to get away. And he managed to con whoever it was who helped him with the passport, plane tickets etc.

   Hardly the picture of a hapless victim of vigilante justice and media hype.

   There are a lot of hapless victims in NZ prisons and I’ll save my compassion and concern for them.
   • Tracey 9.1

     12 November 2014 at 2:07 pm

     and his temp release was not in anticipation of release into the community but as a way to get the parole board to change their mind… turns out they were right, he hasnt rehabilitated.
10. Tracey 10

    12 November 2014 at 2:04 pm

    in the absence of true leadership certain types of people will follow anyone. the number of people who see nothing wrong in keys behaviour or try to excuse it is worrying.
11. AmaKiwi 11

    12 November 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Why wasn’t he wearing one of those radio transmitter ankle bracelets, Mr. Key?
12. Maui 12

    12 November 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Nothing ever hurts National though..
    • paddy 12.1

      13 November 2014 at 8:52 am

      Every day he was escaped National would suffer but recaptured in 5 days and they will come up smelling like roses. Incredible how often they climb out of the crap without any dirt.
13. Ross 13

    13 November 2014 at 10:38 am

    The saying is: if National swallowed a nail they’d shit a corkscrew.
14. Peter 14

    13 November 2014 at 10:46 am

    This will simply have no impact on the election chances of a 4th National government.

    A viable opposition might.

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