With Syria on the northern border of Israel, a victory for the Syrian revolution may be of pivotal importance in the long struggle to restore Palestinian lands and rights. Especially since Egypt, on the southern border of Israel, is the scene of an unfolding revolution which is weakening the US imperium and Israeli Zionism.
Watch this space. Our website brings you the news that Damascus, Moscow, Washington, Tel Aviv and their MidEast cronies do not want you to see.
I’m not up on all the latest details of the Syrian conflict. I’m certainly no fan of the Assad regime, and was behind the rebels initially. I have become increasingly concerned about the role of the US government in supporting the rebels, as reported in various places, including here:
This conflict was born as a peaceful rebellion evolving into a popular revolution. Violent suppression of unarmed demonstrators led some opponents to take up arms in defence of the right to protest and demand change. The armed men were a minority among dissidents who recoiled from the despoliation of their country that would inevitably accompany a violent uprising, yet they gained the ascendancy by the force of their actions and the international support they gained for their choice of the rifle over the banner.
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The rebels, advised by intelligence officers from western countries working in Turkey and Lebanon, took outlying neighbourhoods of Damascus. The regime, inevitably, used all the means at its disposal to drive them out and retake those areas.
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There are wars, and there are civil wars. Before the Red Cross withdrew from Syria last week, it declared this was a civil war. This means it is no longer a rebellion, but a battle for power between contending factions. Neither the Free Syrian Army nor the government recognises the other. Both refuse to speak to each other. Their external benefactors (for the regime, Russia, Iran and Iraq; for the opposition, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the US, France and Britain) are encouraging their intransigence.
I have got suspicious of western involvement ever since I started seeing Hillary Clinton speaking in support of the rebels on TV.
So how will the support for the rebels of the US and other western powers help to bring a just solution to Palestine?
And the duplicitous US role also reported here, as well as the way major powers are interfering in the Syrian conflict in order to use it for their own ends. Just looks like one big mess from where I’m sitting:
While it has become a commonplace – and rightly so – to criticise Russia for its determination to support Assad and undermine Annan’s efforts, the US has not been much more honest. As Reuters revealed on the day of Annan’s resignation, President Barack Obama secretly signed a presidential “finding” authorising covert aid to Syria’s rebels, while US allies in the region provided weapons.
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The reality is that the players in Syria’s agony have been more interested in their own agendas than in ending the bloodshed and civilian suffering. Leaders of the incoherent and fractured Syrian opposition have sometimes seemed more interested in jostling for influence; Russia, Iran and Hezbollah back Assad for their own diverse reasons; while Gulf states, including Qatar and Saudi Arabia have been pursuing their own regional interests, not least proxy competition with Iran.
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Those backing the wholesale arming of opposition factions – already receiving arms and assistance from various quarters – cannot answer a fundamental question: how they would prevent sophisticated weapons ending up with the minority of jihadi groups operating in Syria or indeed with Free Syrian Army units like the one that videoed itself murdering bound shabiha prisoners, unquestionably a war crime
And it seems to me that the US is quite willing to turn a blind eye to the increasing role that religious fundamentalism is playing in the conflict. The promise of jihad is motivating many foreign fighters, including Al Qaida Iraq, against Assad’s secular regime.
Watch this space. Our website brings you the news that Damascus, Moscow, Washington, Tel Aviv and their MidEast cronies do not want you to see.
Apart from an inflated sense of self-importance I don’t think this website “kiaoragaza” has much to add whatsoever.
Well except CV kiaoragaza’s Roger Fowler (long time activist), walked the talk and personally helped deliver medical and other supplies to Palestinians a year back in a motorised caravan of international support to break the Israeli blockade. A few brownie points there surely. But that does not mean the groups every utterance is of signifcance of course. It is all too easy to be a keyboard warrior.
TM – if its clear that its activism that Jenny is quoting and not journalism, then I have no problem with Kiaoragaza.
If it is being made out to be news however, then I would expect basic journalistic standards to be followed, eg. fact checking, credible sources, presenting doubts and analysis from different points of view within a piece, etc.
If it is being made out to be news however, then I would expect basic journalistic standards to be followed, eg. fact checking, credible sources, presenting doubts and analysis from different points of view within a piece, etc.
More nasty slander from a person who openly supports murder and torture.
And who refuses to answer on whether he would support the use of deadly gas against the revolutionaries.
I call you on this:
….. I would expect basic journalistic standards to be followed, eg. fact checking, credible sources, presenting doubts and analysis from different points of view within a piece, etc.
Kiaoragaza have quite clearly provided examples of the pro Assad propaganda you spout, [and without editorial comment]. Expecting intelligent people of good will to recognise it for the BS it is.
Hey Jenny, did you hear that the US Senate is considering directly supplying arms and money to the “Free Syrian Army” even though it may end up in the hands of Al Qaida fighters and Salafi jihadists?
The Green Party are calling for military intervention in Syria.
The Green Party says New Zealand should vote for military intervention in Syria at the United Nations if the fighting there reaches the point where crimes against humanity are being committed.
Radio NZ
The Greens are making this call at a time, when it looks like the victory of the rebellion is all but guaranteed, and a Western intervention now, would only act to steal the victory from the people.
What is crazy about this, is that crimes against humanity are already being committed by the regime, and have been for some time.
The Greens need to be warned against listening to pro-Assad fringe lunatics like Colonial Viper or his mates.
The Greens need to take note of what befell the German Greens when they voted with the government for military intervention in Afghanistan.
The Greens must take note also, of what happened to the Alliance when their leadership voted with the New Zealand government for military intervention in Afghanistan.
As an excuse to intervene in Syria, don’t believe the lying smear being spread against the revolution in Syria by people like Colonial Viper (and others), as being the work of Al Qaida and foreign interests.
Mark my words:
For the Greens to give their support for this lying excuse for Western, or UN intervention will be a terrible mistake from which the New Zealand Green Party will not recover.
You really are one confused person Jenny. The Greens say intervention should be considered if crimes against humanity are being perpetrated in the conflict.
You really are one confused person Jenny. The Greens say intervention should be considered if crimes against humanity are being perpetrated in the conflict.
Why do you have a problem with that.
Colonial Viper
CV, You are the one who is confused if you think crimes against humanity have not been, and are not being committed by the Assad regime.
In your twisted view, is the mowing down of unarmed protesters not a crime against humanity?
How about the murder and torture of the wives and children of army deserters rounded up by the military, is that not a crime against humanity?
What about the indiscriminate strafing of civilian cities and towns from the air, is that not a crime against humanity?
Do I have a problem with that?
Yes I do. And I also have a problem with low life scum that try and ignore it and/or make excuses for it.
Saudi Arabia does all that you list, and worse. And they are supporting the infiltration of foreign fighters into Syria. But you are OK with that? That the FSA is no longer “of the people”, “by the people” or “for the people”?
Yes I do. And I also have a problem with low life scum that try and ignore it and/or make excuses for it.
don’t believe the lying smear being spread against the revolution in Syria by people like Colonial Viper (and others), as being the work of Al Qaida and foreign interests.
Maybe you should update your facts Jenny.
US clears way for foreign donations to Syrian rebels
Don’t taunt Her to hard CV, theres more going on there than what meets the eye, the comment about the Greens call for military intervention i would dare suggest would in fact be wanting to oust Assad as much as our commenter does,
An addition to the story of Annan’s resignation in the history that will written about Syria’s civil war:
30 June 2012 will surely be recognised as the only true moment of hope. On that day in Geneva the five permanent members of the UN security council united behind a communique calling for a transition to a democratic system in Syria and the formation of a government of national unity in which opposition leaders and members of the current government would share power.
They called for a firm timetable for elections in a fair environment… said the continuity of government institutions and qualified staff in Syria’s public services must be preserved. This included the military and security forces – though they must in future adhere to human rights standards…
…Then came the spanner. Britain, France and the US proposed a rival resolution with the one-sided elements that provoked earlier Russian and Chinese vetoes – punishment of Assad if he did not comply, threats of new sanctions, no word of pressure on the opposition and veiled hints of eventual military force by referring to chapter seven of the UN charter.
The resolution was a disaster, and it is no wonder that in explaining his resignation (in a Financial Times article on Friday) Annan highlighted the security council’s failure to endorse the Geneva recommendations.
There are definitely two sides to the story of the geopolitical games that are costing Syrian people their lives.
Nah that which side are you on is way to simplistic,it may have been the currency of Alfred E Nuemann (George Bush), the ex US Prez,but if He aint a war criminal nobody is,
I am on neither side, i refuse to become emotionally involved to such an extent that what is TRUE no longer matters,
What may have started out as an internal insurrection against the Assad regime has fast become an opening to exploit by the US Government via the use of it’s proxies in the region,
I only need to know that the House of Saud is involved in paying wages to and helping arm fighters entering the fray to know that this has become,(or was all along), a fight to destabilize ANY regime in the region that is not strictly on the ‘side’ of the USA and Israel,
What ‘side’ am i on, Neither, war in any guise be it civil or otherwise is wrong, i have to beleive that or i would have taken up arms against the Government of New Zealand long ago…
I only need to know that the House of Saud is involved in paying wages to and helping arm fighters entering the fray to know that this has become,(or was all along), a fight to destabilize ANY regime in the region that is not strictly on the ‘side’ of the USA and Israel,
Jenny, it’s not a case of supporting Assad.
It is possible to hold these 2 positions simultaneously:
1. Assad is a tyrant who kills Syrian citizens and should not be in power
2. Syrians who are anti-government fighters want the best for their country
It’s also possible to hold, at the same time as the above positions, the belief that armed insurrection might not BE what is best for the country – especially if it is funded by parties with their own geopolitical interests that don’t coincide with the best interests of the Syrian people as a whole (without a doubt this conflict is funded externally).
And at the same time be very concerned that, whether the insurrection was started by outsiders or not, the destruction of governmental institutions leaves an opening for others to put their nasty interests first – hence al qaeda-aligned groups apparently making their presence felt in this unfolding horror story.
And to believe that although this conflict is linked to the Arab Spring, it has a very different, very dangerous context.
To believe this does not imply support for Assad and his tyrannical ways. It instead recognises that if the destruction of a country, a society and of people is the answer, the question was very, very wrong.
Whoa! Apart from fence-sitting being no view, whereas I have one – and it’s not agreeing that all and sundry getting in on the act of destroying Syria is a good thing – I rather agree with Carol (below)
I Do take exception to being branded an Assad [and naz1] apologist. As this issue has become just slinging mud at anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Jenny, I will not be attempting to discuss the issue with you further.
So, you’re saying, “You are either with us or against us”?
Me, I’m on the side of social justice, democracy and humanitarian principles. The big powers dabbling in the middle east are ensuring none of these are the winners.
PS: You haven’t really dealt with the widespread criticisms, as indicated in the links and quotes I provided regarding the role of the US and other powerful interests, subverting the Syrian rebellion for their own purposes. This was an attempt to participate in an evidence-based debate.
All I’ve had in response, Jenny, is some emotive responses and ad hominems: asking what side I’m on, and blanket inclusions (I assume) of me in the ones you brand as Assad apologists.
I Do take exception to being branded an Assad apologist. As this issue has become just slinging mud at anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Jenny, I will not be attempting to discuss the issue with you further.
I will enter any debate/discussion that is based on evidence and rational analysis.
The time line of Colonial Viper’s continuined apology for the regime of Bashar Assad.
Colonial Viper
21 July 2012 at 11:11 pm
Feel free to ignore the active destabilisation of a peaceful and culturally advanced country to get to this point, however.
As for a choice between Assad and the rebels…we know what we’re going to get with Assad. What are we going to get with the rebels? Sharia law and a roll back of womens rights to the norm of every other arab country?
I might also throw in CV’s ignorant, (if not racist) dismissal of the still unfolding Arab Spring, probably one of the greatest social movements in human history.
Colonial Viper
21 July 2012 at 11:15 pm
Lets roll the dice then eh. Working out for the Egyptians is it?
Colonial Viper
23 July 2012 at 7:03 pm
Hey Jenny, never thought you’d fall for Western propaganda so hard. Cheering the “Freedom Fighters” on are we? Like I said, let’s talk in 18 months and see if women are still allowed in Damascus universities.
Colonial Viper
22 July 2012 at 2:24 am
What I expect is the overthrow of Assad followed by years, if not decades, of chaos.
Colonial rule, from the capitals of the west, through their compliant proxies no matter how distateful. We’ve seen this a dozen times before in the last 100 years. Good of Zetetic and others to be so blindly optimistic (and historically ignorant) though.
Colonial Viper
3 August 2012 at 2:29 am
Jenny, still buying into the loner blog massacre marketing of the “Free Syrian Army” (long since shown to itself be staffed by foreign fighters, islamic and salaafi fighters, funded by Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia).
A bit of summary justice up against a wall now your style is it? Not even a chance for legal representation, appeal, or handing over to the Red Cross. I guess that’s a big improvement on Assad in your eyes, your FSA heroes.
After his hero Assad threatened to use nerve gas against the insurgents, CV refused to condemn this option, claiming that it wouldn’t be a war crime.
I think most people’s disgust is reserved for the dictator and his apologists.
You’re such a war-monger. And parroting the same WMD-threat lines the US used to justify war against Saddam Hussein? Wow keep sucking in the Western pro-war propaganda kool-aid Jenny.
Hey do you really like the fact that Al Qaida Iraq bomb masters are now working out of Syria?
And oh look, it looks like the CIA is supporting the FSA. You like the CIA right, Jenny? Wait didn’t you say that the US was on Assad’s side in this conflict? Oh yeah you were wrong on that because you have no understanding of geopolitical interests.
You still standing by the deluded idea that this “uprising” is of the Syrian people, by the Syrian people, for the Syrian people? Gotta admire your consistency against the facts from a dozen different official news sources, while you rely on some obscure blogs instead.
Strange how Colonial Viper was silent on the mass murder of unarmed civilians and the mass detention and torture of women and children in the families of the deserters which began all the violence.
You’re watching the collapse of a country engineered by external powers, and inflitrated by many thousands of foreign fighters funded and supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Justify your bloodthirst how you like, but the disintegration of Syria that you revel in has just begun.
And here is the real kicker: When stories emerged from Syria that Assad might use deadly gas against the “foreign forces”. Colonial Viper tried to defend Assad, by saying that the use of chemical weapons could not be defined as genocide. He then repeatedly refused to answer whether he thought it was OK for Assad to use these weapons against the FSA.
Colonial Viper
24 July 2012 at 8:41 pm
You’re such a sucker for pro-military action propaganda. Tell me again how independent “freedom fighters” gained the ability to take on an entire professional military without extensive outside help?
CV, in repeating the Assad propaganda line that the insurrection is the work of foreign interventionists. You are giving your support to the regime to commit genocide.
Tip – the use of chemical weapons is not how genocide is defined.
Jenny, thousands of foreign fighters, including Al Qaida bomb experts, have now infiltrated Syria with the help of external powers. You need to recognise that the FSA is now neither “of the people”, “by the people” or “for the people”.
BTW you demonstrate a certain immaturity in not being able to see beyond a good versus evil fundamentalist view of the world. Please grow up.
And I don’t answer your bullshit false premise hypotheticals.
Kiwi reporter Anita McNaught interview of captured Syrian Secret Police officers responsible for the shooting of unarmed protesters and responsible for over a hundred ‘disappeared’ civilian detainees.
Al Jazeera is owned and funded by Qatari royalty. Who happen to be major American allies in the region, as well as hosting a major US military base on their soil.
If people want a life then destiny must respond. The fetters must be broken and the people of Aleppo must be free. And they will be victorious, because their cause is a just cause and the cause of Syria is a just cause. [Huge explosion]
From Anita McNaught’s interview of fighters on the front lines
Kiwi hero Anita McNaught dodges shell fire and snipers to get her story. While Assad apologist Colonial Viper safe at home, in cowardly anonymity, attacks her integrity.
If people want a life destiny must respond, the arms trade must be enriched and it’s traders paid in the blood of the innocents who the obviously bought Anita McNaught gives scant thought to while whipping up the the winds of propaganda,
Because their cause is a just cause they will be victorious, who the hell does that pompous little prat think she is addressing, the f**king producer that got her to blast that out at the world has obviously read one to many 98 page westerns,
If the might of right or ‘just cause’ were to be the diviner of victory or defeat there would not at this point in history be a modern State of Israel…
the fact tho that the propagandarists can arrange a huge explosion as the punctuation to McNaughts emotive bullshit, shows they do have some organizational ability,
Since when is such emotive bullshit Journalism???…
Well, Jenny is grasping at straws from her childhood.
Here’s a good one (which I dedicate to Jenny) from the leader of the Free Syrian Army.
He admits that armed Al Qaida and islamist forces are growing stronger in the conflict
As the uprising drags on, Sheikh said, these problems are paving the way for an alarming development—the arrival of al Qaeda and other jihadist groups into the armed struggle against Assad. “They are getting bigger and bigger. And day by day they have more powerful positions inside,” he said. “The situation is very dangerous.”
disaster capitalism rosy! sell assets!! look after yourselves by selling yourselves to us! The hijack will be televised – but not realised – til too late.
It doesn’t. This government expects it to crash and burn thus allowing more tax cuts for the rich and making it far too expensive for anyone but the rich to go to university.
After having a wee think about it I’m going with CnrJoe – disaster capitalism means not that the university’s assets will be sold, but the university itself will be sold. A privately endowed university in Christchurch is my pick – the transfer of public assets to private capitalists.
Rather than gaining, from National’s six months of poor performances, Labour leaders Sherer/Robertson have slipped in the polls. The strategies and the personnel have to be questioned.
The proposed organisational changes, that concentrate power in a new Wellington/Caucus weighted “Management Committee” has to be stopped.
The proposed organisational change is designed to reduce the influence that the members have through Regional, Sectoral, and other forums. The role of the National Council is gutted by the Causuc shaped “Management Committee”.
Add this to the Robertson inspired 67% rule that entrenches the current personnel and their strategies and despair. Or rebel. Like those brave ones, at the Nortcote meeting last night for the Labour North members, who spoke out.
All Labour members should read the proposed amendments to the Constitution. The devil is in the detail. Every LEC and group must make a strong submission to stop the centralisation of power in the hands of those who have failed since 2008.
….a new Wellington/Caucus weighted “Management Committee” aka party central, aka politburo…
When people talk “management” the term has underlying constructs: manage means “control”, manage requires known “relative positions” (hierachy), manage means using a “process” to get a required result. It does not brook democracy, consent etc. Its about power.
Labour has failed to make traction in the latest polls, and Shearer has gone backwards.
If you want a neat summation of why they are going nowhere, their response to the tragic deaths of our troops in Afghanistan is it. Instead of David Shearer using his UN credentials to authoritatively lambast the government for being to close to the United States and demanding our troops come home now from this hopeless and miserable war, he stayed the invisible man while the right wing, pro-American yesterday man Phil Goff was lined up to support the government to the hilt.
Labour’s front bench is worse than hopeless. It isn’t firing because most them seem to be as right wing as National, and they agree with the government. and even for the current bunch of self-serving, institutionalised and lazy bastards lying all the time that they are not is hard work.
Labour is doomed to be a minor party unless it’s rank and file wake up and boot the under performing Front bench out. Parker’s been especially piss weak allowing Blinglish a free ride and the list goes on with education, Justice, Environment etc
Radical moves for serious times required, the MSM are being allowed to dictate far too much with the Gay marriage bill IMO a huge distraction whilst asset sales and the general plunder carries mercilessly onwards.
Shonkey’s loving this, toying with the gay vote whilst the other hand’s pick pocketing your future.
Come on labour party members ! Are you in it for the good of NZ or your own need to belong to a club that’s leaders are sending out of the business of governing NZ.
I’ve given up on them. They don’t listen. And are heading towards the abyss with no one at the wheel.
They should never have elected Shearer, he was never going to be ready. And you cannot run a political party by proxy, as Robertson, Parker and co are doing. The unfortunate thing is this. Unless they get their shit together, they are going to be the also rans, and the Nacts will get another 3 years to rob and pillage. (And this makes me madder at them).
They are nothing but bunch of self serving wankers, that don’t give a shit for the people that put them into power. Damn you would almost think I am talking about the Nacts, but I am NOT.
Also it makes me wonder if they are in secret cahoots with Key and Co.
Damn you would almost think I am talking about the Nacts, but I am NOT.
There’s little to no difference between the two. They follow the same economic paradigm and that paradigm has effectively removed all moral principles from politics. Under the guidance of the two main parties profit and greed have become the driving force of our society.
Shearer was the wrong choice from the start and unless they change leaders quick smart, Labour will be consigned to opposition for the foreseeable future. Labour is not providing any opposition whatsoever and the Greens and NZ First are filling that void. Strong decisive leadership is required – David Cunliffe has these credentials.
Come on labour party members ! Are you in it for the good of NZ or your own need to belong to a club that’s leaders are sending out of the business of governing NZ.
I counted three anti-Labour posts in a row (yours was the 3rd). There’s more anti-Labour talk here than there probably is on one of the RWNJ sites! Seriously, it annoys me greatly.
Some of it looks like concern trolling, the rest is just abuse.
Aligning with any of the parties of the establishment, and indeed any of them generally, is like a turkey voting for an early christmas V32.
Put this this way, Labour having been sold out in the 80’s, have been deliberately moved towards the right ever since, so much so that they are basically now National. The Greens were created to fool people into thinking that there was a new hope on the left, but they too are moving to the right…who is seeing the trend there….
Which party will spring up next, why is Colin Craig getting all that air time again…
So the question becomes, where is the so called left, where is the choice, and where the hell is our democracy heading….Oh yeah, to the right!
It’s not anti Labour ( I have voted for them all my life) since I was able to vote. I find that my periods of employment usually start about 6 months after a Labour govt was elected, and lasted until about 8 months after a National govt was elected. I worked 8 of the Helen govt’s 9 years and 9 mths of John Keys Brighter Paradise. And as I work in Fast food mine was one of the businesses first hit hard when the ,Nats started robbing the people with tax cuts for the rich. and mass job cuts for the poor. And GST increase for all. Now it’s been near a year since Robertson and co went against the Rank’n’File and elected Shearer, and Labour has been like a yacht caught in the doldrums ever since, and the silence has been deafening. And as for the Bullshit that The 2014 election is Nationals to lose. I disagree it’s Labours to lose and they are going to lose, and lose badly, unless the get their shit together, and get Rid of Shearer and the Helen mob (they are past their use by date). Yes I know, that don’t leave many, but from whats left I am sure they can rebuild a better party and one that sticks to their principles. Because at the moment it’s not voter apathy, it’s Labour apathy. People are sick of the same old, self centered, me, type of politics, that has come out of the the ruins of the last election. But unfortunately they won’t listen, so I’ll vote Green this time around.
Labour are so out of the picture that Stuff has an opinion poll on its site this morning asking “Which party is doing the best right now?” which does not even include Labour in its list of parties! LOL.
Very bottom of the right hand column on this page:
the membership must be highly admired for being so bloody patient … let’s hope they hang in till after 2014 to help natz get a third term … or perhaps a fourth
Serco is a corporate cancer which already has a foothold in NZ through the odious Judith Collins’ ‘Prisons for profit’ scam. Will it’s next inroad in NZ be into Social Welfare via one of the vile Paula Bennet’s ‘Welfare is wasted on the poor it should go towards corporate profits’ scams? Serco really needs whatever money it can extract from essential public services because hundreds of billions of dollars profit a year is just not enough.
When the new National government replaced our peace workers with the heavily armed SAS , Phil Goff eloquently spoke against it.
Our people are being killed in Afghanistan because National sent in the SAS.
In today’s NZ Herald David Shearer endorses National’s war policy. He ignores the Clark government’s policy of peaceful reconstruction.
Shearer endorses National’s war policies. Parker endorses National’s neo-liberal economic policies. Robertson reprimands David Cunliffe for being too assertive in his environmental policies.
Shearer, Parker, and Robertson should just join the National Party instead of pretending to be the opposition.
We don’t live in a perfect world, true Key could easily have opted out earlier, and it cringes the
hell out of me to see him turn up smiling on morning TV like a vulture picking over the dead.
When politicians had some decorum and kept aloof and apart, reiterating the basis of the
military intervention, and under scoring the bi-partisan aspects of the deployment.
But not with our slime ball PM, he was all over it like a lawyer at the emergency room door.
Afghanistan, its like the world military is trying to educate the Afgans on how utterly stupid
warfare is, and when we do leave, leave behind a don’t-make-us-comeback sign on every
Afghan heart.
Yeah like the mad taliban care whether kiwi soldiers are armed or not.
Duh- think about it, The Taliban think they’re on a jihad so they don’t care if the infidel are armed or not – kill the lot of them.
I personally think that Afghanistan should be left to morass in its own mess as it is such a hodge podge of tribal conflicts mixed with mad mullah jihadists.
Think of the billions poured in by the US to try and improve the lot of the country and all the thanks they get are bombs and fighting.
The ones I really feel sorry for when the US finally does exit Afghanistan are the women folk.
They have had a taste of freedom and education and then they will lose it again and go back to being dogs for their islamist masters once the US has gone.
+1 It’s a decades old conflict about resources, not freedom or terrorism.Leave them to it and watch China step in.
Obama has shown he’s no better then Bush etc in this regard and Shonkey’s gov’t loves obediently following the US no matter what the cost to ordinary Kiwis.
To Key it’s just another deal the Hollowmen have authorised he has to front.
Decades??? The rest of the world has been trying to tame Afghanistan for centuries The british in the 18th and 19th century the Russians in the 20th Now the Yanks Brits and we got dragged in too, in the 21st century. So yes let China have a go they will get drained as well.
So yes let China have a go they will get drained as well.
Since Alexander.
Both China and Iran have been around long enough to see all this go down in Afghanistan through the centuries. Its only young nations who are foolish enough to head into that graveyard of empires.
Indeed!!! the ill fated invasion of Afghanistan has been the time bell that rang for more than one of the invading Empires slow demise on the long march to the Graveyard,
Perhaps the latest adventure to despoil the soils of that country will lead to the death of yet another….
Yeah like the mad taliban care whether kiwi soldiers are armed or not.
They’re likely to care very deeply if your country’s special forces troops are actively engaged in offensive military operations against them. Which ours are.
And they’re not “mad” they are a highly adaptive group which can hold their own against modern military forces with 50x the resources they have.
Exactly, My understanding of what occurred was that Afghan fighters attacked a group of Afghan Special Forces and the NZ soldiers were called in to help the Afghan Special Forces,
While we have to have sympathy for both our soldiers on the ground and their families back home we also have to realize that that aint the actions of a ‘peaceful reconstruction team’
The Afghan’s are brawlers they have either kicked the arse of every invader of their country for a 1000 years or worn them down until they realize the profits of resource invasion are far out-weighed by the losses they can and do inflict…
Every comment above has one or more examples of, reasons why Afghanistan has constantly had foreign invaders. One thing stands out: its us (foreigners) with troops over there.
I don’t recall seeing any Afghans, Taliban. Al Qaeda or otherwise in downtown Wellington, Moscow, Washington. I expect the NZ Army to defend me, here, not there.
I certainly didn’t miss that particular organization, (Al Qaeda), in Afghanistan being funded and armed by the US Government to fight the Russian invasion of that country,
Ever thought to ask yourself when that particular Government stopped arming and paying that particular organization…
Indeed…minor incursion compared to whole armies marauding around the Middle East region for the last several centuries. Spectacular result, and very criminal to boot.
Does however raise the question, “How innocent are we, the civilians who are targeted by “terrorists” when we allow our governments to “terrorise” the “terrorists” countries”?
PS: As a result of that incursion I now get hassled every time I go to get on an aeroplane by x-ray blockwarts who seem to think I am going to hijack the plane and crash it into the side of something….there are no worthy targets in NZ!
You may have missed Al Qaeda in Manahattan a few years back, just a small fracas by all accounts.
What are you talking about?
Belatedly it occurs to me that you mean 9/11, but I hope you know that Al Quaeda had less to do with that than they have to do with the Kindergarten Association! 😀
They have had a taste of freedom and education and then they will lose it again and go back to being dogs for their islamist masters once the US has gone.
I misread that as American masters, and for good reason! Who do you think runs Afghanistan?
Are you really naive enough to believe either that the Americans went into Afghanistan to ‘liberate women’, or that the women of Afghanistan are actually any better off? I know a few Afghani refugees you should have a word with.
True AmaKiwi. It was dissapointing to see Shearer and Key having the same view of NZ’s involvement in Afghanistan on TV3 news last night. They both came across as patronising and authoritarian, and of course both fully supportive of our “efforts” there.
Shonkey is a war criminal. Nothing more; nothing less. He should face justice for his crimes. Not likely to happen though, as long as the judiciary & media remain firmly in NACT control.
CAB is not free when so many now have limited access to landlines.
Just listening to the radio about possums, and how possums should be exterminated, but
Kiwis are not innovative enough to turning it into a gambling opportunity. I mean
have a damn competition for bloody sake! Every week the Town or suburb that has
the most dead possums wins the opportunity to take part in a yearly play off, where
they go up against the ten most prolific possum killing towns. Also any road kill
is counted as half a kill. Now tell me, how long before the possum is extinct in NZ?
Damnit, I want to know which town in NZ killed the most possums last week!!!
Personally, I think we should just invite the Australians to take them back. We’ll supply shipping and bio-security and all they have to do is catch the bloody things. I’m sure they’ll be happy at the opportunity to repatriate their lost fauna 😈
From Stuff: Figures suggest wealthy carry tax burden
…the “high net wealth” individuals tracked by the IRD, who each control $50 million or more of wealth, paid 33.9 percent for their personal income, and 28.2 percent when other taxable income was included, such as that earned through a trust, a PIE, or a company.
…an indicative comparator for someone on an average wage was 17.9 per cent, although Working for Families entitlements would reduce the average net tax rate to 8.4 per cent for a single-earner parent with one child, or 2.3 per cent with two children.
When Working for Families rebates are taken into account, 40 to 50 percent of households “effectively pay no net income tax, and roughly 40 to 50 percent of total net income tax is paid by those in the top 10 per cent income bracket, suggesting that the tax burden falls most heavily on the wealthy”.
“That’s not surprising but it’s interesting to see the actual numbers.”
It would be interesting to see the actual numbers. That article doesn’t show them.
In short the article mostly says that higher income earners have a higher marginal tax rate than lower income earners. We already know that, the tax system has only worked like that for about a hundred years. Duh!
They also conveniently miss out GST which brings in just under half the revenue that income tax does now, and guess who pays most of the GST.
From what the article also says plus a simple calculation:
– 40-50% of households “effectively pay no net income tax”
– 40-50% of households will pay 50-60% of net income tax
– the top 10% income bracket pay roughly 40-50% of total net income tax
They also conveniently miss out GST which brings in just under half the revenue that income tax does now, and guess who pays most of the GST.
Those who spend the most will pay the most. Which will generally be those with the most money to spend. Plus businesses will also spend quite a bit on GST.
Its time to tax capital, and its time to tax unearned income. Two gaping areas left untouched, while ordinary workers get it in the neck from PAYE income tax and regressive GST.
Yes they say that but they don’t front up with any evidence of it do they. People say a lot of things, that doesn’t make everything they say true does it.
And as for GST, some figures…… left column is annual taxable income and right column is total GST paid by each group in $millions
I had to work those out from some Treasury figures related to something else so don’t take them as 100% gospel. I am reasonably comfortable with the way I calculated it, could be wrong but I don’t think it is.
Someone on $30K pa may spend $15 in GST for their family groceries.
But someone earning 10x that on $300K pa may spend just $30 in GST for their family groceries. They earn 10x as much, but their family doesn’t eat 10x as much food.
Ditto for power, petrol, other necessities of daily living. The person on the low wage ends up paying far more of their income to GST.
The tax burden of PAYE income tax and regressive GST (and also thanks to not being able to avoid taxes with the help of accountants) hits harder on the poor who have much less discretionary income.
When looked at we also have to realize that those in the 10-20 and 20-30 thousand dollar income brackets are those either trapped by dint of being benefit dependent or minimum wage workers,
Especially in the 10-20 bracket when the price of anything they purchase rises the % of GST against their total income also rises, in effect an ongoing cut to their benefit or wages by the Government,
Except for starvation it is inescapable, with income between 10 and 20 thousand dollars there is no such thing as disposable income,
It would be nice to have a look at the Treasury’s advice to the Finance Minister befor the rack-raising of the GST went ahead in conjunction with the tax cutting of the top 40% of income earners as the simple riffmatic i am capable of suggests that at about year 5 the 1.9 billion dollar hole blown in the Governments revenue from taxation by the tax cuts for the National Party core vote will close as those in the lower income brackets pay as a % of income more and more GST,
Cynically accomplished with full knowledge of the effects by the Treasury, the Finance Minister,and the Slippery National Government, i think so and can vaguely remember an off the cuff comment from Bill English a while back suggesting something similar, although i cannot as yet find a link to that…
All eyes are on the Olympics, all eyes are on Afghanistan, all eyes are on the latest “polls”…
all eyes should be on Spain, Italy, Greece. Domino time, coming closer.
That’s precisely what I though Penny. 9/11 can’t have been anything else but a controlled demolition. It has the filthy marks of Mossad, The Republican Party and the rest of the global Zionist movement all over it.
And GM bacteria could have escaped from a lab and devoured most of the supporting concrete in WTC, which had tragic consequences when GPS signal interference overruled a dodgy software patch on the INS systems of four aircraft which then flew on the bearing of the strongest signal transmission towers in the area, and all the poorly paid and overworked aircrew were snoring happily away except for on one plane where the autopilot turnoff switched forced a nosedive into some fields.
After a stuff-up like that, they just had to blame someone….
Yep, it’s easier to believe that highly assymetrical structural and fire damage to two steel framed skyscrapers caused the completely symmetrical collapse on to foot print of three steel framed sckyscrapers.
But in case you haven’t noticed, China has bounded its sphere of influence massively forward in the last 10years, including more forceful steps in e.g. the Spratlys as well as increases of influence in Africa. Not to mention selling an awful lot of stuff to the yanks for them to burn in Central/west Asia.
Oh, Halliburton has made billions if not trillions, but you asked who’d benefited most.
And the question presupposes finance and base politics being the only motives possible for 9/11.
An equally plausible explanation.
Ignore the tags for it about “Islam” etc. It basically compares AQ extremists with US religious extremists on the other side. But not in a “clash of civilizations” sort of way – more “nutbars of all flavours”.
But anyway, Iran did ok regionally, but not globally. China’s good for a hundred years of international supremacy, if it can maintain internal stability (big if IMO).
This is a typical left wing beat up and it does the Standard no credit that you would allows this baseless Labour Party smear to be repeated.
Lying has always been UF policy. Peter Dunne mentioned it at every candidate meeting I attended and I won’t need two days to find evidence of that like I did with Asset Sales.
I’m shocked that the Dunne fan club isn’t interested. Guess it’s been busy trying to figure out more important stuff, like ‘is there really a right wing?’ and ‘why do the people who own everything and have all the money have to pay tax while the people with nothing and no money hardly pay any?’
Some figures for you, DH. They answer PG as to why the wealthy should pay most tax.
More than half of New Zealand’s total net worth is now owned by the richest 10 per cent of the population. According to a survey by Statistics NZ in 2003-04 ….. the richest 10 per cent own 52 per cent. The richest half of the country owns 95 per cent. The share of the poorest half is now 5 per cent. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10432468 (This article was written in 2007 but I should not expect a huge change in 2012.)
This of course demands the question as to who is ‘wealthy.’ The top 1% who own 16% of NZ’s worth, the top 5% who own 38%, the top 10% who own 52% or the top 50% who own 95%?
And who are the poor? The bottom 50% own 5% of NZ’s net worth.
A UN appointment is Tax Free irrespective of the tax base of the actual recipient.
Normally any NZ citizen with any income from wherever is taxed according to NZ tax regulations with all income included and taxable.
Fail wages. Fail Pay. Fail standard of living. Fail good health and well being. Fail productivity. Fail social cohesion. Fail family and friends time. Fail peace of mind. Fail self fulfilment.
Comparison chart for American wages and conditions: 1970’s Vs now
If you can be bothered with the comments start at about number 10. Its interesting to hear an American viewpoint of their diminishing pay and personal time
“Between the second quarter of 2009 and the fourth quarter of 2010, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. Pre-tax corporate profits by themselves had increased by $464 billion while aggregate real wages and salaries rose by only $7 billion or only .1%. Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. …The absence of any positive share of national income growth due to wages and salaries received by American workers during the current economic recovery is historically unprecedented.”
Between 2007 and 2010, working-class people — those in nonprofessional occupations who lack college degrees — saw their median earnings fall 4.6 percent, according to a study of U.S. census data prepared for Bloomberg News by Sentier Research of Annapolis, Maryland. Over the same period, earnings for college-educated professionals or managers rose 1.9 percent.
Working-class males were especially hard hit, with median annual earnings falling 6.6 percent, more than three times the 1.9 percent loss suffered by all employees, according to the study, an effort to quantify the recession’s impact on labor.
It shows that the average salary in the industry in 2010 was $361,330 — five and a half times the average salary in the rest of the private sector in the city ($66,120). By contrast, 30 years ago such salaries were only twice as high as in the rest of the private sector.
Thanks for those links Joe90. The experience of the American worker seems to be echoed in similarly politically/socially/industrial based nations around the world, including ours. We have our differences but for the average person it comes back to a reduction in wages, conditions, freedoms and rights. All those rights and conditions that were so hard won over generations and decades have been wittled away at by the influence and power of the corporate agenda upon governments, and we’re no different in our experience here. Its interesting to see a young persons mouth fall open when you tell them about things from another time like overtime, collective bargaining and regular rostered hours.
On another note at least we have some, albeit reduced as well, access to health care. The health of the American people must be in serious decline with no access to health care or social support. Theres been a couple of documentaries I’ve watched reporting people dying of preventable diseases and injury because of it. With reduced wages and long hours feeling healthy and well must be something one could only dream about. All the breakthroughs in science and health care means nothing if no one can afford it except the wealthy. I guess thats the idea though.
Yes, but addressing energy depletion is more likely to be successful and will help mitigate some of the cc issues. We are well beyond doing anything meaningful about cc itself, not because we are impotent, but because we really don’t give a shit.
All credit to Dave and the other Greens for trying to keep it on the agenda though. It would be so much worse if everyone was ignoring it.
Peak energy and peak debt is going to cause ongoing economic decline (and hence decline in energy use and GHG emissions). The question given that context:
How do we best prepare for and manage that decline so that our societal fabric, community lives, future of our families are made as best and as positive as possible.
Climate change activists never ever look at these questions; it is beyond the scope of their perspective therefore its a big problem that they cannot see the big problem.
Robbing the houses of the poor to give houses to the poor,
Maori Television’s Native Affairs tonight highlighting the divisive stealing of HousingNZ homes from the Auckland suburb of Glen Innes where the land they once occupied will be sold to the middle class voters of National to build upon while some of the houses once occupied by the poor of Auckland are to be trucked to Kaitaia to house the poor there,
Phill Heatley, the Housing Minister in this Slippery National Government claims this as some form of victory for low income families as there will be a build of new housing stock by HousingNZ, what Phill refuses to explain tho is how is this anything but crumbs off of the table when the number of houses built by the state will be half of the number previously there…
Al-Qaida forces and extremist fighters support Syrian rebels, as US Senate hears testimony that aiding in “flipping Syria” will help Israel and help fight Iran
And allow me to thank Jenny for her continued and dedicated efforts to bring everyone at The Standard up to speed with the complex and multi-faceted situation in Syria.
The fact that Saudi Arabia, a Sharia law country where womens rights are non-existent, is helping to bring about the downfall of Syria using fundamentalist fighters, Syria a secular country where women have been enjoying relatively high levels of rights over many years, seems to just breeze lightly by her.
In fact its a classic example of “blow back” if I ever saw one. Thanks again Jenny.
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Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
I was initially resistant to the idea often suggested to me that the Government should deliver an arts strategy. The whole point of the arts and creativity is that people should do whatever the hell they want, unbound by the dictates of politicians in Wellington. Peter Jackson, Kiri Te Kanawa, Eleanor ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne The Queensland state election will be held in October. A YouGov poll for The Courier Mail, conducted April 9–17 from a sample ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Naeni, PhD candidate at Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University There’s been much talk in recent months about what a possible second Donald Trump presidency in the United States could mean for Europe, Russia’s war in Ukraine, the ...
A brief round-up of submissions on the controversial proposed law. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week, submissions on the controversial Fast-track Approvals Bill closed just hours after the government released a list of stakeholder organisations who were sent letters advising how they could ...
A poem from Robin Peace’s new collection Detritus of Empire: feather / grass / rock. Cereal giving I see a woman’s hands, see her curious hands break a stalk as she walks through the tall prairie, the savannah, the steppe, wherever it was. See her idly bite the grass that ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)A handsomely produced (debossed cover, lovely ...
The Commissioner's decision validates the longstanding efforts of the local community and ensures that Awataha Marae will be managed to serve the needs of the local community, particularly for hosting tangihanga. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tristan Salles, Associate professor, University of Sydney Examples of Australian landscapes.Unsplash Seventy thousand years ago, the sea level was much lower than today. Australia, along with New Guinea and Tasmania, formed a connected landmass known as Sahul. Around this time – ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Felicity Castagna, Lecturer, Creative Writing, Western Sydney University Day Day Market, ParramattaPhoto: Garry Trinh I live on the edge of Parramatta, Australia’s fastest-growing city, on the kind of old-fashioned suburban street that has 1950s fibros constructed in the post-war housing boom, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Ryan, Teaching Fellow in Economics, University of Waikato GettyImagesfatido/Getty Images There is an ongoing global debate over whether the high inflation seen in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic can be lowered without a recession. New Zealand is not ...
The ‘Wicked Game’ heartthrob is in his late 60s now. That didn’t stop him putting on a lively, goofy and very sparkly show. Apart from ‘Wicked Game’, which graces a sultry playlist of mine simply called 💋, my last sustained Chris Isaak listening session took place when I was about ...
Analysis - Two ministers were stripped of portfolios in a warning to Cabinet, drama broke out at the Waitangi Tribunal, and the gang patch ban bill ran into opposition. ...
Tara Ward makes an impassioned plea for some vital pop culture merch. In April 1999, I became obsessed with a new reality television show called Popstars. Every Tuesday night, five strangers transformed into music royalty before my very eyes as Joe, Keri, Carly, Erika and Megan were chosen to form ...
PNG Post-Courier In the early hours of ANZAC Day, aerial photographs captured an impressive gathering of Australians and Papua New Guineans at Isurava in the Northern (Oro) Province. The solemn dawn service yesterday was held at a site steeped in history, where some of the fiercest battles of World War ...
The PSA is shocked that Oranga Tamariki has used the cost cutting drive to downgrade its commitment to Te Ao Māori and remove many specialist Māori roles. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Kemish, Adjunct Professor, School of Historical and Philosophical Inquiry, The University of Queensland There can be no more powerful symbol of the relationship between Australia and Papua New Guinea than the prime ministers of these neighbouring countries walking together on the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sharon Robinson, Distinguished Professor and Deputy Director of ARC Securing Antarctica’s Environmental Future (SAEF), University of Wollongong, University of Wollongong Andrew Netherwood Over the last 25 years, the ozone hole which forming over Antarctica each spring has started to shrink. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Viktoria Kahui, Senior Lecturer in Environmental Economics, University of Otago Getty Images/Amy Toensing Biodiversity is declining at rates unprecedented in human history. This suggests the ways we currently use to manage our natural environment are failing. One emerging concept focuses on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Colin Bednall, Associate Professor in Management, Swinburne University of Technology marvent/Shutterstock Finding the best person to fill a position can be tough, from drafting a job ad to producing a shortlist of top interview candidates. Employers typically consider information from ...
Wondering where to host your next BYO? Whether its a small gathering or a massive party, we’ve got some recommendations. I was first introduced to the concept of BYOs at Dunedin’s India Gardens, a legendary but sadly defunct establishment, which purveyed enormous quantities of mango chicken to Aotearoa’s drunkest future ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julien Cooper, Honorary Lecturer, Department of History and Archaeology, Macquarie University Julien Cooper The hyper-arid desert of Eastern Sudan, the Atbai Desert, seems like an unlikely place to find evidence of ancient cattle herders. But in this dry environment, my new ...
The sector says it’s hopeful her replacement Paul Goldsmith will be able to throw it a lifeline, after six months with a minister deemed missing in action, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign ...
The government can't just rely on axing public sector jobs and has to do more to cut spending, says the chief economist at a free market think tank. ...
Rock The Vote NZ, known for its advocacy for minor party unity and its role within the Freedoms NZ Coalition during the 2023 General Election, celebrates this merger as a strategic enhancement of its operational strength and outreach. ...
Nearly everyone has experienced the frustration of something you use breaking and being difficult or expensive to fix. Proposed legislation could change that. It’s been raining on and off all Sunday afternoon but people are lining up outside a building in a corner of Gribblehirst Park in Sandringham, Auckland. In ...
What does a forever relationship look like when you don’t believe in marriage? And how do you celebrate it? This essay is part of our Sunday Essay series, made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.I’m going to do it, right now. I’m going to say ...
You can’t have missed the Gallipoli story as the movies, documentaries, essays and books capture what it was like for New Zealand troops in their eight-month campaign on the Peninsula. But this Anzac Day the Auckland War Memorial Museum has published a book that sheds light on a little-known aspect of the ...
The Prime Minister has committed to resuming direct flights to Thailand. But it’s not a promise he will be able to deliver on anytime soon. The post Prime Minister jumps the gun in Thailand appeared first on Newsroom. ...
It’s not that long ago Eliza McCartney was seriously wondering if the Paris Olympics would be her pole vaulting swansong. After years of being hounded by injury after injury, the Rio Olympics bronze medallist was still confident she would compete at her second Olympics in Paris in July, unless something ...
FICTION 1 Take Two by Danielle Hawkins (Allen & Unwin, $36.99) There’s commercial fiction, like this book, and then there’s quality fiction, quality writers, quality literature; the forthcoming Auckland Writers Festival is full of quality, and ReadingRoom has two tickets to give away to the following events: Paul Lynch (Dublin ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra In the free-for-all between the Australian government and Big Tech boss Elon Musk this week, the government had to be on a winner. Most people would have little sympathy with Musk’s vociferous opposition to ...
Asia Pacific Report Chief Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa and Nelson Mandela’s grandson, has joined the Freedom Flotilla in istanbul as the ships prepare to sail for Gaza, reports Kia Ora Gaza. Mandela is also the ambassador for the Global Campaign to Return to ...
Pacific Media Watch Journalists who report on environmental issues are encountering growing difficulties in many parts of the world, reports Reporters Without Borders. According to the tally kept by RSF, 200 journalists have been subjected to threats and physical violence, including murder, in the past 10 years because they were ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards, Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has surprised everyone with his ruthlessness in sacking two of his ministers from their crucial portfolios. Removing ministers for poor performance after only five months in the job just doesn’t normally happen in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
ACT's Rural Communities and Veterans spokesman Mark Cameron responds to cancellations and protests of ANZAC Day commemorations in Wellington. He says, "These pitiful attempts to detract from ANZAC Day are not at all indicative of the feelings of mainstream ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Pōneke based peace activists staged a silent protest at the ANZAC day service to highlight New Zealand’s complicity in war and genocide, and urge the government to take concrete steps to stop the genocide in Palestine. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Magdalena M.E. Bunbury, Postdoctoral Researcher, James Cook University Burial with a horse at the Rákóczifalva site, Hungary (8th century AD).Sándor Hegedűs, Hungarian National Museum, CC BY How do we understand past societies? For centuries, our main sources of information have been ...
Amanda Thompson doesn’t really do Anzac Day. But what she does do is remember the people she knew who had a lifetime to remember stuff they didn’t really want to, because of a war they didn’t ask for. And she does make Anzac biscuits.First published in 2021.All my ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathryn Willis, Postdoctoral Researcher, CSIRO Xavier Boulenger/Shutterstock In the two decades to 2019, global plastic production doubled. By 2040, plastic manufacturing and processing could consume as much as 20% of global oil production and use up 15% of the annual carbon ...
With our collective remembrance, and steadfast belief in our common humanity, we strengthen our hope and resolve to do what we can to foster dialogue and understanding, and to heal divisions in our pursuit of peace. ...
Principal reasons for the opposition is the loss of the public’s democratic right to have “a fair say” and the vital need for a government free from corruption, said Casey Cravens of Dunedin, president of the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater ...
Never mind the scoreboard – in the 2000 Bledisloe Cup decider, the real trans-Tasman battle was won before kickoff.First published in 2016. The dawn of the new millennium was a dark time for the All Blacks. Their final game pre-Y2K was a 22-18 loss to South Africa in the ...
I’m on the wrong side of 40, I never pursued creative work and now my job is killing my soul. Help! Want Hera’s help? Email your problem to helpme@thespinoff.co.nzDear Hera,May I start with the least original conversation opener you’re likely to hear around the motu at the moment, particularly in Wellington: ...
“Never again - No AUKUS” was the message of the wreath laid at this morning’s national ANZAC Day commemorative service at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park this morning by the Stop AUKUS group. ...
Until this month, Auckland swimmer Hazel Ouwehand had never met a qualifying time in an Olympic event for a New Zealand team, even as a junior. Now she’s very likely off to the Paris Olympics after swimming well under the qualifying standard in the 100m butterfly twice – both in ...
While Anzac Day has experienced a resurgence in recent years, our other day of remembrance has slowly faded from view.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand. Original illustrations by Hope McConnell.First published in 2022.The high school’s head girl and ...
Australian and New Zealand volunteers fought together in the Waikato War, yet still its place in the Anzac tradition is unacknowledged by our defence forces or Returned Services Association.First published in 2018.When I was a boy cub I attended Anzac Day services in the South Auckland suburb of ...
A poem by Wellington writer Tayi Tibble.Hoki Mai She kisses him goodbye with her eyes still wet and alight from their last swim in the Awatere river. At the train station celebration, she leads the Kapa Haka but her voice keeps breaking under and over itself like waves. ...
A poem from Bill Manhire’s 2017 book of verse Some Things to Place in a Coffin.My World War I Poem Inside each trench, the sound of prayer. Inside each prayer, the sound of digging. Image courtesy of Auckland War Memorial Museum. ...
There are three books I have wolfed down in one sitting over the last two years. Colleen Maria Lenihan’s gorgeous and sad debut Kōhine, Noelle McCarthy’s memoir Grand about becoming her mother and then unbecoming her, and now Hine Toa, a staunch yet gentle self-portrait by living legend Ngāhuia te ...
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Syrian tyrant sends desperate begging mission to Moscow
http://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/assads-officials-beg-moscow-for-aid-to-stem-revolution/
I’m not up on all the latest details of the Syrian conflict. I’m certainly no fan of the Assad regime, and was behind the rebels initially. I have become increasingly concerned about the role of the US government in supporting the rebels, as reported in various places, including here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/29/syria-route-of-compromise
I have got suspicious of western involvement ever since I started seeing Hillary Clinton speaking in support of the rebels on TV.
So how will the support for the rebels of the US and other western powers help to bring a just solution to Palestine?
And the duplicitous US role also reported here, as well as the way major powers are interfering in the Syrian conflict in order to use it for their own ends. Just looks like one big mess from where I’m sitting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/04/syria-russia-america-middle-east-agendas?newsfeed=true
And it seems to me that the US is quite willing to turn a blind eye to the increasing role that religious fundamentalism is playing in the conflict. The promise of jihad is motivating many foreign fighters, including Al Qaida Iraq, against Assad’s secular regime.
Apart from an inflated sense of self-importance I don’t think this website “kiaoragaza” has much to add whatsoever.
Well except CV kiaoragaza’s Roger Fowler (long time activist), walked the talk and personally helped deliver medical and other supplies to Palestinians a year back in a motorised caravan of international support to break the Israeli blockade. A few brownie points there surely. But that does not mean the groups every utterance is of signifcance of course. It is all too easy to be a keyboard warrior.
TM – if its clear that its activism that Jenny is quoting and not journalism, then I have no problem with Kiaoragaza.
If it is being made out to be news however, then I would expect basic journalistic standards to be followed, eg. fact checking, credible sources, presenting doubts and analysis from different points of view within a piece, etc.
I did go there once, but was sadly unimpressed….
More nasty slander from a person who openly supports murder and torture.
And who refuses to answer on whether he would support the use of deadly gas against the revolutionaries.
I call you on this:
Hey Jenny, did you hear that the US Senate is considering directly supplying arms and money to the “Free Syrian Army” even though it may end up in the hands of Al Qaida fighters and Salafi jihadists?
The Green Party are calling for military intervention in Syria.
You really are one confused person Jenny. The Greens say intervention should be considered if crimes against humanity are being perpetrated in the conflict.
Why do you have a problem with that.
Saudi Arabia does all that you list, and worse. And they are supporting the infiltration of foreign fighters into Syria. But you are OK with that? That the FSA is no longer “of the people”, “by the people” or “for the people”?
🙄
Maybe you should update your facts Jenny.
US clears way for foreign donations to Syrian rebels
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9454086/Syria-US-clears-way-for-Americans-to-start-donating-money-to-rebels.html
Don’t taunt Her to hard CV, theres more going on there than what meets the eye, the comment about the Greens call for military intervention i would dare suggest would in fact be wanting to oust Assad as much as our commenter does,
But,she can’t ‘see’ that either…
Yeah don’t wrestle with a pig, the pig likes it and you get your Armani all muddy.
I wouldn’t have found such poetry as a descriptive,but, lolz yeah…
An addition to the story of Annan’s resignation in the history that will written about Syria’s civil war:
There are definitely two sides to the story of the geopolitical games that are costing Syrian people their lives.
It might bring a “solution”, but it will not be “just”.
This is in reply to Carol (above).
Me too, although in my case, I heard her on the radio…
Careful, Carol, Jenny will accuse you of stuff! 🙂
Which side are you on?
One’s right and one’s wrong
Which side are you on?
Nah that which side are you on is way to simplistic,it may have been the currency of Alfred E Nuemann (George Bush), the ex US Prez,but if He aint a war criminal nobody is,
I am on neither side, i refuse to become emotionally involved to such an extent that what is TRUE no longer matters,
What may have started out as an internal insurrection against the Assad regime has fast become an opening to exploit by the US Government via the use of it’s proxies in the region,
I only need to know that the House of Saud is involved in paying wages to and helping arm fighters entering the fray to know that this has become,(or was all along), a fight to destabilize ANY regime in the region that is not strictly on the ‘side’ of the USA and Israel,
What ‘side’ am i on, Neither, war in any guise be it civil or otherwise is wrong, i have to beleive that or i would have taken up arms against the Government of New Zealand long ago…
Well said, bad12!
Jenny, it’s not a case of supporting Assad.
It is possible to hold these 2 positions simultaneously:
1. Assad is a tyrant who kills Syrian citizens and should not be in power
2. Syrians who are anti-government fighters want the best for their country
It’s also possible to hold, at the same time as the above positions, the belief that armed insurrection might not BE what is best for the country – especially if it is funded by parties with their own geopolitical interests that don’t coincide with the best interests of the Syrian people as a whole (without a doubt this conflict is funded externally).
And at the same time be very concerned that, whether the insurrection was started by outsiders or not, the destruction of governmental institutions leaves an opening for others to put their nasty interests first – hence al qaeda-aligned groups apparently making their presence felt in this unfolding horror story.
And to believe that although this conflict is linked to the Arab Spring, it has a very different, very dangerous context.
To believe this does not imply support for Assad and his tyrannical ways. It instead recognises that if the destruction of a country, a society and of people is the answer, the question was very, very wrong.
In 1939 similar rationalisations for fence sitting, were raised by well meaning liberals regarding he nazis.
Careful Rosy, once you start down this slippery slope, it is not to far to go to become a fully fledged screaming Assad apologist like Colonial Viper.
Whoa! Apart from fence-sitting being no view, whereas I have one – and it’s not agreeing that all and sundry getting in on the act of destroying Syria is a good thing – I rather agree with Carol (below)
yeah Jenny except you’ve chosen the side of Mussolini
So, you’re saying, “You are either with us or against us”?
Me, I’m on the side of social justice, democracy and humanitarian principles. The big powers dabbling in the middle east are ensuring none of these are the winners.
Do you care to ignore the fact that Assad is a murderer and torturer of his own people?
Do you care that Al-Qaedi Iraq, and other foreign infiltrators and jihadists are murderers of Syrian citizens, while you cheer on?
PS: You haven’t really dealt with the widespread criticisms, as indicated in the links and quotes I provided regarding the role of the US and other powerful interests, subverting the Syrian rebellion for their own purposes. This was an attempt to participate in an evidence-based debate.
All I’ve had in response, Jenny, is some emotive responses and ad hominems: asking what side I’m on, and blanket inclusions (I assume) of me in the ones you brand as Assad apologists.
I Do take exception to being branded an Assad apologist. As this issue has become just slinging mud at anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Jenny, I will not be attempting to discuss the issue with you further.
I will enter any debate/discussion that is based on evidence and rational analysis.
Rationalise mass murder and torture as much as you like.
Why don’t you give rationality a try full stop.
The time line of Colonial Viper’s continuined apology for the regime of Bashar Assad.
I might also throw in CV’s ignorant, (if not racist) dismissal of the still unfolding Arab Spring, probably one of the greatest social movements in human history.
And here is the real kicker: When stories emerged from Syria that Assad might use deadly gas against the “foreign forces”. Colonial Viper tried to defend Assad, by saying that the use of chemical weapons could not be defined as genocide. He then repeatedly refused to answer whether he thought it was OK for Assad to use these weapons against the FSA.
Jenny, thousands of foreign fighters, including Al Qaida bomb experts, have now infiltrated Syria with the help of external powers. You need to recognise that the FSA is now neither “of the people”, “by the people” or “for the people”.
BTW you demonstrate a certain immaturity in not being able to see beyond a good versus evil fundamentalist view of the world. Please grow up.
And I don’t answer your bullshit false premise hypotheticals.
But you do support a mass murderer and torturer.
🙄
Kiwi reporter Anita McNaught interview of captured Syrian Secret Police officers responsible for the shooting of unarmed protesters and responsible for over a hundred ‘disappeared’ civilian detainees.
Frak off Jenny. You’re a pro-war activist. 🙄
And you are a supporter of mass murder and torturer, terribly offended that those long victimised by your hero are hitting back.
Al Jazeera is owned and funded by Qatari royalty. Who happen to be major American allies in the region, as well as hosting a major US military base on their soil.
CV, does your smear that Al Jazeera is bought and sold, also apply to Anita McNaught?
is she being paid by them?
Your implied slur being that because Anita McNaught works for Al Jazeera that in your opinion she is bought and sold?
You are one contemptible bastard. And a disgrace to this country.
Get your head in the game Jenny. Like a bad marksman you can’t even see your target, let alone hit it.
I know a scumbag when I see one.
Yay you are nearly at 1 point of TRUTH, you bet, journalism aint about getting on a world wide TV broadcast and telling it how you want to tell it,
Jouralism is ALL about getting on the TV and telling it like how the Bossman tells you to…
http://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/as-battle-for-aleppo-rages-rebels-seize-the-countryside/
Kiwi hero Anita McNaught dodges shell fire and snipers to get her story. While Assad apologist Colonial Viper safe at home, in cowardly anonymity, attacks her integrity.
Freedom under the yoke of foreign sponsored Al Qaida bomb makers and imported Salafi jihadists.
Human beings under an intolerable yoke standing up for their dignity and freedom.
Concepts that cowards, traitors, quislings, have trouble conceiving.
Blah blah, “Al Qaida”, Blah, “Arabs”, Blah blah, “Bomb makers”, Blah, Jihadis. CV you are getting to sound more like George Bush everyday.
Mustafa Al-Sheik, leader of the FSA, states his concerns about Al-Qaida presence and religious fighters
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06082012/comment-page-1/#comment-503428
If people want a life destiny must respond, the arms trade must be enriched and it’s traders paid in the blood of the innocents who the obviously bought Anita McNaught gives scant thought to while whipping up the the winds of propaganda,
Because their cause is a just cause they will be victorious, who the hell does that pompous little prat think she is addressing, the f**king producer that got her to blast that out at the world has obviously read one to many 98 page westerns,
If the might of right or ‘just cause’ were to be the diviner of victory or defeat there would not at this point in history be a modern State of Israel…
the fact tho that the propagandarists can arrange a huge explosion as the punctuation to McNaughts emotive bullshit, shows they do have some organizational ability,
Since when is such emotive bullshit Journalism???…
I might remind you bad, that, that was a real tank shell that landed near McNaught.
If you think something like that can be scripted, then you are deeply into the conspiracy theory alternate nut-job universe.
place a shell 200m away and when you need it, set it off with a small charge.
Bad, CV. I know you were posting late at night so you may have been tired and emotional, but c’mon, get a grip.
This is the list of journos killed so far this year. Think on.
Anita McNaught, snigger a truer hero of the peoples revolution has never trod the sands of the desert…
Well, Jenny is grasping at straws from her childhood.
Here’s a good one (which I dedicate to Jenny) from the leader of the Free Syrian Army.
He admits that armed Al Qaida and islamist forces are growing stronger in the conflict
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/26/syrian-rebel-leader-mustafa-al-sheikh-says-victory-against-assad-not-in-sight.html
First they ignore you
Then they mock you
(All the pro-Assad quislings are coming out of the woodwork now.)
Forget Planet Labour, Planet Jenny is more interesting
In the ‘you can’t have that excuse we’re using it’ file (also comes under the ‘do as we say not do as we do’ file):
How exactly does the government expect the tertiary education sector to recover, I wonder?
disaster capitalism rosy! sell assets!! look after yourselves by selling yourselves to us! The hijack will be televised – but not realised – til too late.
It doesn’t. This government expects it to crash and burn thus allowing more tax cuts for the rich and making it far too expensive for anyone but the rich to go to university.
Rosy, this government has no such expectation, and could not care less.
After having a wee think about it I’m going with CnrJoe – disaster capitalism means not that the university’s assets will be sold, but the university itself will be sold. A privately endowed university in Christchurch is my pick – the transfer of public assets to private capitalists.
Rather than gaining, from National’s six months of poor performances, Labour leaders Sherer/Robertson have slipped in the polls. The strategies and the personnel have to be questioned.
The proposed organisational changes, that concentrate power in a new Wellington/Caucus weighted “Management Committee” has to be stopped.
The proposed organisational change is designed to reduce the influence that the members have through Regional, Sectoral, and other forums. The role of the National Council is gutted by the Causuc shaped “Management Committee”.
Add this to the Robertson inspired 67% rule that entrenches the current personnel and their strategies and despair. Or rebel. Like those brave ones, at the Nortcote meeting last night for the Labour North members, who spoke out.
All Labour members should read the proposed amendments to the Constitution. The devil is in the detail. Every LEC and group must make a strong submission to stop the centralisation of power in the hands of those who have failed since 2008.
….a new Wellington/Caucus weighted “Management Committee” aka party central, aka politburo…
When people talk “management” the term has underlying constructs: manage means “control”, manage requires known “relative positions” (hierachy), manage means using a “process” to get a required result. It does not brook democracy, consent etc. Its about power.
Beware indeed.
Labour has failed to make traction in the latest polls, and Shearer has gone backwards.
If you want a neat summation of why they are going nowhere, their response to the tragic deaths of our troops in Afghanistan is it. Instead of David Shearer using his UN credentials to authoritatively lambast the government for being to close to the United States and demanding our troops come home now from this hopeless and miserable war, he stayed the invisible man while the right wing, pro-American yesterday man Phil Goff was lined up to support the government to the hilt.
Labour’s front bench is worse than hopeless. It isn’t firing because most them seem to be as right wing as National, and they agree with the government. and even for the current bunch of self-serving, institutionalised and lazy bastards lying all the time that they are not is hard work.
Labour is doomed to be a minor party unless it’s rank and file wake up and boot the under performing Front bench out. Parker’s been especially piss weak allowing Blinglish a free ride and the list goes on with education, Justice, Environment etc
Radical moves for serious times required, the MSM are being allowed to dictate far too much with the Gay marriage bill IMO a huge distraction whilst asset sales and the general plunder carries mercilessly onwards.
Shonkey’s loving this, toying with the gay vote whilst the other hand’s pick pocketing your future.
Come on labour party members ! Are you in it for the good of NZ or your own need to belong to a club that’s leaders are sending out of the business of governing NZ.
I’ve given up on them. They don’t listen. And are heading towards the abyss with no one at the wheel.
They should never have elected Shearer, he was never going to be ready. And you cannot run a political party by proxy, as Robertson, Parker and co are doing. The unfortunate thing is this. Unless they get their shit together, they are going to be the also rans, and the Nacts will get another 3 years to rob and pillage. (And this makes me madder at them).
They are nothing but bunch of self serving wankers, that don’t give a shit for the people that put them into power. Damn you would almost think I am talking about the Nacts, but I am NOT.
Also it makes me wonder if they are in secret cahoots with Key and Co.
There’s little to no difference between the two. They follow the same economic paradigm and that paradigm has effectively removed all moral principles from politics. Under the guidance of the two main parties profit and greed have become the driving force of our society.
Shearer was the wrong choice from the start and unless they change leaders quick smart, Labour will be consigned to opposition for the foreseeable future. Labour is not providing any opposition whatsoever and the Greens and NZ First are filling that void. Strong decisive leadership is required – David Cunliffe has these credentials.
Some of it looks like concern trolling, the rest is just abuse.
Are you all greens, or just curmudgeons?
Aligning with any of the parties of the establishment, and indeed any of them generally, is like a turkey voting for an early christmas V32.
Put this this way, Labour having been sold out in the 80’s, have been deliberately moved towards the right ever since, so much so that they are basically now National. The Greens were created to fool people into thinking that there was a new hope on the left, but they too are moving to the right…who is seeing the trend there….
Which party will spring up next, why is Colin Craig getting all that air time again…
So the question becomes, where is the so called left, where is the choice, and where the hell is our democracy heading….Oh yeah, to the right!
And thus to destruction.
It’s not anti Labour ( I have voted for them all my life) since I was able to vote. I find that my periods of employment usually start about 6 months after a Labour govt was elected, and lasted until about 8 months after a National govt was elected. I worked 8 of the Helen govt’s 9 years and 9 mths of John Keys Brighter Paradise. And as I work in Fast food mine was one of the businesses first hit hard when the ,Nats started robbing the people with tax cuts for the rich. and mass job cuts for the poor. And GST increase for all. Now it’s been near a year since Robertson and co went against the Rank’n’File and elected Shearer, and Labour has been like a yacht caught in the doldrums ever since, and the silence has been deafening. And as for the Bullshit that The 2014 election is Nationals to lose. I disagree it’s Labours to lose and they are going to lose, and lose badly, unless the get their shit together, and get Rid of Shearer and the Helen mob (they are past their use by date). Yes I know, that don’t leave many, but from whats left I am sure they can rebuild a better party and one that sticks to their principles. Because at the moment it’s not voter apathy, it’s Labour apathy. People are sick of the same old, self centered, me, type of politics, that has come out of the the ruins of the last election. But unfortunately they won’t listen, so I’ll vote Green this time around.
Labour are so out of the picture that Stuff has an opinion poll on its site this morning asking “Which party is doing the best right now?” which does not even include Labour in its list of parties! LOL.
Very bottom of the right hand column on this page:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7419712/Polls-show-gains-for-National
Talk about the forgotten party.
PS – Have emailed the Stuff editor asking whether this was deliberate – or a ‘stuff up”.
They are there, 3rd down right under the Greens.
ACT
Greens
Labour
Mana
Maori Party
National
NZ First
UnitedFuture
None of them
Labour was definitely not in the list earlier – checked several times before emailing them.
So obviously updated.
“… It isn’t firing …”
damp squib comes to mind
the membership must be highly admired for being so bloody patient … let’s hope they hang in till after 2014 to help natz get a third term … or perhaps a fourth
Serco is a corporate cancer which already has a foothold in NZ through the odious Judith Collins’ ‘Prisons for profit’ scam. Will it’s next inroad in NZ be into Social Welfare via one of the vile Paula Bennet’s ‘Welfare is wasted on the poor it should go towards corporate profits’ scams? Serco really needs whatever money it can extract from essential public services because hundreds of billions of dollars profit a year is just not enough.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/05/serco-bid-national-citizen-service
The National government is responsible for the brutal death of seven New Zealanders in Afghanistan in two years.
In 2003, then Defense Minister Mark Burton made clear our people were being sent to Afghanistan to work peacefully, NOT violently.
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/17264
When the new National government replaced our peace workers with the heavily armed SAS , Phil Goff eloquently spoke against it.
Our people are being killed in Afghanistan because National sent in the SAS.
In today’s NZ Herald David Shearer endorses National’s war policy. He ignores the Clark government’s policy of peaceful reconstruction.
Shearer endorses National’s war policies. Parker endorses National’s neo-liberal economic policies. Robertson reprimands David Cunliffe for being too assertive in his environmental policies.
Shearer, Parker, and Robertson should just join the National Party instead of pretending to be the opposition.
Exactly.
We don’t live in a perfect world, true Key could easily have opted out earlier, and it cringes the
hell out of me to see him turn up smiling on morning TV like a vulture picking over the dead.
When politicians had some decorum and kept aloof and apart, reiterating the basis of the
military intervention, and under scoring the bi-partisan aspects of the deployment.
But not with our slime ball PM, he was all over it like a lawyer at the emergency room door.
Afghanistan, its like the world military is trying to educate the Afgans on how utterly stupid
warfare is, and when we do leave, leave behind a don’t-make-us-comeback sign on every
Afghan heart.
Shearer, Parker, and Robertson should just join the National Party instead of pretending to be the opposition. too bloody true!
Yeah like the mad taliban care whether kiwi soldiers are armed or not.
Duh- think about it, The Taliban think they’re on a jihad so they don’t care if the infidel are armed or not – kill the lot of them.
I personally think that Afghanistan should be left to morass in its own mess as it is such a hodge podge of tribal conflicts mixed with mad mullah jihadists.
Think of the billions poured in by the US to try and improve the lot of the country and all the thanks they get are bombs and fighting.
The ones I really feel sorry for when the US finally does exit Afghanistan are the women folk.
They have had a taste of freedom and education and then they will lose it again and go back to being dogs for their islamist masters once the US has gone.
+1 It’s a decades old conflict about resources, not freedom or terrorism.Leave them to it and watch China step in.
Obama has shown he’s no better then Bush etc in this regard and Shonkey’s gov’t loves obediently following the US no matter what the cost to ordinary Kiwis.
To Key it’s just another deal the Hollowmen have authorised he has to front.
Decades??? The rest of the world has been trying to tame Afghanistan for centuries The british in the 18th and 19th century the Russians in the 20th Now the Yanks Brits and we got dragged in too, in the 21st century. So yes let China have a go they will get drained as well.
Since Alexander.
Both China and Iran have been around long enough to see all this go down in Afghanistan through the centuries. Its only young nations who are foolish enough to head into that graveyard of empires.
Indeed!!! the ill fated invasion of Afghanistan has been the time bell that rang for more than one of the invading Empires slow demise on the long march to the Graveyard,
Perhaps the latest adventure to despoil the soils of that country will lead to the death of yet another….
They’re likely to care very deeply if your country’s special forces troops are actively engaged in offensive military operations against them. Which ours are.
And they’re not “mad” they are a highly adaptive group which can hold their own against modern military forces with 50x the resources they have.
Exactly, My understanding of what occurred was that Afghan fighters attacked a group of Afghan Special Forces and the NZ soldiers were called in to help the Afghan Special Forces,
While we have to have sympathy for both our soldiers on the ground and their families back home we also have to realize that that aint the actions of a ‘peaceful reconstruction team’
The Afghan’s are brawlers they have either kicked the arse of every invader of their country for a 1000 years or worn them down until they realize the profits of resource invasion are far out-weighed by the losses they can and do inflict…
Every comment above has one or more examples of, reasons why Afghanistan has constantly had foreign invaders. One thing stands out: its us (foreigners) with troops over there.
I don’t recall seeing any Afghans, Taliban. Al Qaeda or otherwise in downtown Wellington, Moscow, Washington. I expect the NZ Army to defend me, here, not there.
You may have missed Al Qaeda in Manahattan a few years back, just a small fracas by all accounts.
I certainly didn’t miss that particular organization, (Al Qaeda), in Afghanistan being funded and armed by the US Government to fight the Russian invasion of that country,
Ever thought to ask yourself when that particular Government stopped arming and paying that particular organization…
Indeed…minor incursion compared to whole armies marauding around the Middle East region for the last several centuries. Spectacular result, and very criminal to boot.
Does however raise the question, “How innocent are we, the civilians who are targeted by “terrorists” when we allow our governments to “terrorise” the “terrorists” countries”?
PS: As a result of that incursion I now get hassled every time I go to get on an aeroplane by x-ray blockwarts who seem to think I am going to hijack the plane and crash it into the side of something….there are no worthy targets in NZ!
What are you talking about?
Belatedly it occurs to me that you mean 9/11, but I hope you know that Al Quaeda had less to do with that than they have to do with the Kindergarten Association! 😀
I misread that as American masters, and for good reason! Who do you think runs Afghanistan?
Are you really naive enough to believe either that the Americans went into Afghanistan to ‘liberate women’, or that the women of Afghanistan are actually any better off? I know a few Afghani refugees you should have a word with.
Where do you get your facts from? Even your 2003 link refers to special forces…
The SAS were initially deployed between 2001 & 2005. (Willie Apiata’s award was from an engagement in 2004).
They were then redeployed in 2009.
The NZPRT have been in Afghanistan since 2003. Though not a combat unit, I would hesitate to describe the NZDF & NZPolice members as “peace workers”.
True AmaKiwi. It was dissapointing to see Shearer and Key having the same view of NZ’s involvement in Afghanistan on TV3 news last night. They both came across as patronising and authoritarian, and of course both fully supportive of our “efforts” there.
+ 1
Shonkey is a war criminal. Nothing more; nothing less. He should face justice for his crimes. Not likely to happen though, as long as the judiciary & media remain firmly in NACT control.
CAB is not free when so many now have limited access to landlines.
Just listening to the radio about possums, and how possums should be exterminated, but
Kiwis are not innovative enough to turning it into a gambling opportunity. I mean
have a damn competition for bloody sake! Every week the Town or suburb that has
the most dead possums wins the opportunity to take part in a yearly play off, where
they go up against the ten most prolific possum killing towns. Also any road kill
is counted as half a kill. Now tell me, how long before the possum is extinct in NZ?
Damnit, I want to know which town in NZ killed the most possums last week!!!
Personally, I think we should just invite the Australians to take them back. We’ll supply shipping and bio-security and all they have to do is catch the bloody things. I’m sure they’ll be happy at the opportunity to repatriate their lost fauna 😈
Aero, most possums live in places where there are no people, let alone any towns.
Want to know how young men in the country like to kill possums? With a spotlight and rifle from a car. It’s illegal, and sometimes dangerous.
Great fun too.
Oh yeah, such great fun.
Fucken morons.
After a month or two, they should tax the possum farms of the winning areas…
From Stuff: Figures suggest wealthy carry tax burden
That’s not surprising but it’s interesting to see the actual numbers.
You are not appalled that someone can accumulate more than $50 million of wealth but grateful that they may be paying their share of tax?
DUH
Of course the wealthy carry the tax burden
They Carry the BURDEN of EARNING the most
Dv
Oh the burden – tote that barge, lift that bale (of scrip, gold, property) the poor rich people.
“That’s not surprising but it’s interesting to see the actual numbers.”
It would be interesting to see the actual numbers. That article doesn’t show them.
In short the article mostly says that higher income earners have a higher marginal tax rate than lower income earners. We already know that, the tax system has only worked like that for about a hundred years. Duh!
They also conveniently miss out GST which brings in just under half the revenue that income tax does now, and guess who pays most of the GST.
From what the article also says plus a simple calculation:
– 40-50% of households “effectively pay no net income tax”
– 40-50% of households will pay 50-60% of net income tax
– the top 10% income bracket pay roughly 40-50% of total net income tax
They also conveniently miss out GST which brings in just under half the revenue that income tax does now, and guess who pays most of the GST.
Those who spend the most will pay the most. Which will generally be those with the most money to spend. Plus businesses will also spend quite a bit on GST.
Fuck all this shit
Its time to tax capital, and its time to tax unearned income. Two gaping areas left untouched, while ordinary workers get it in the neck from PAYE income tax and regressive GST.
Yes they say that but they don’t front up with any evidence of it do they. People say a lot of things, that doesn’t make everything they say true does it.
And as for GST, some figures…… left column is annual taxable income and right column is total GST paid by each group in $millions
1 – 10,000 $ 353
10,000 – 20,000 $1,316
20,000 – 30,000 $1,081
30,000 – 40,000 $1,242
40,000 – 50,000 $1,368
50,000 – 60,000 $1,294
60,000 – 70,000 $1,028
70,000 – 80,000 $ 737
80,000 – 90,000 $ 488
90,000 – 100,000 $ 450
100,000 – 150,000 $ 915
150,000+ $ 936
Bit different from the income tax picture isn’t it. Wonder why they never print this one.
And businesses don’t spend anything on GST. They claim it all back.
they avoid as much as they can dh no doubt but good info thanks DH
I had to work those out from some Treasury figures related to something else so don’t take them as 100% gospel. I am reasonably comfortable with the way I calculated it, could be wrong but I don’t think it is.
Yep. GST is a regressive tax.
Someone on $30K pa may spend $15 in GST for their family groceries.
But someone earning 10x that on $300K pa may spend just $30 in GST for their family groceries. They earn 10x as much, but their family doesn’t eat 10x as much food.
Ditto for power, petrol, other necessities of daily living. The person on the low wage ends up paying far more of their income to GST.
The tax burden of PAYE income tax and regressive GST (and also thanks to not being able to avoid taxes with the help of accountants) hits harder on the poor who have much less discretionary income.
Nah, your figures for the 10-20 thousand income band are spot on, well at least they match my crude back of the envelope riffmatic,
I come up with a flat 1300 and i doubt anyone is taking to the trenches over the missing 16…
Good figures,thanks for printing them,
When looked at we also have to realize that those in the 10-20 and 20-30 thousand dollar income brackets are those either trapped by dint of being benefit dependent or minimum wage workers,
Especially in the 10-20 bracket when the price of anything they purchase rises the % of GST against their total income also rises, in effect an ongoing cut to their benefit or wages by the Government,
Except for starvation it is inescapable, with income between 10 and 20 thousand dollars there is no such thing as disposable income,
It would be nice to have a look at the Treasury’s advice to the Finance Minister befor the rack-raising of the GST went ahead in conjunction with the tax cutting of the top 40% of income earners as the simple riffmatic i am capable of suggests that at about year 5 the 1.9 billion dollar hole blown in the Governments revenue from taxation by the tax cuts for the National Party core vote will close as those in the lower income brackets pay as a % of income more and more GST,
Cynically accomplished with full knowledge of the effects by the Treasury, the Finance Minister,and the Slippery National Government, i think so and can vaguely remember an off the cuff comment from Bill English a while back suggesting something similar, although i cannot as yet find a link to that…
All eyes are on the Olympics, all eyes are on Afghanistan, all eyes are on the latest “polls”…
all eyes should be on Spain, Italy, Greece. Domino time, coming closer.
Oh. I reckon China and Australia are worth a wee deek given their (as yet) unburst bubbles.
Don’t forget Japan.
Aussies rebound property bubble already bursting within 6 months ours will follow.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/videos-radio-network-house-imploded-christchurch-ck-125171
Wow!
Was this another controlled demolition?
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
That’s precisely what I though Penny. 9/11 can’t have been anything else but a controlled demolition. It has the filthy marks of Mossad, The Republican Party and the rest of the global Zionist movement all over it.
Any specialist trained dems team with the right materials and security access could have done it. Ten or less people over 6-12 months.
And GM bacteria could have escaped from a lab and devoured most of the supporting concrete in WTC, which had tragic consequences when GPS signal interference overruled a dodgy software patch on the INS systems of four aircraft which then flew on the bearing of the strongest signal transmission towers in the area, and all the poorly paid and overworked aircrew were snoring happily away except for on one plane where the autopilot turnoff switched forced a nosedive into some fields.
After a stuff-up like that, they just had to blame someone….
Yep, it’s easier to believe that highly assymetrical structural and fire damage to two steel framed skyscrapers caused the completely symmetrical collapse on to foot print of three steel framed sckyscrapers.
It is when alternative explanations come from mouth-frothers.
I could never quite get how the foaming at the mouth thing is supposed to happen…
You need to be on the receiving end of the flecks.
Occam’s razor is a wonderful thing. And generally seems to do the job.
Sure, a simple question then. Who had the most to gain, politically and financially, from 9/11.
China.
Haliburton is owned by China?
Nah.
But in case you haven’t noticed, China has bounded its sphere of influence massively forward in the last 10years, including more forceful steps in e.g. the Spratlys as well as increases of influence in Africa. Not to mention selling an awful lot of stuff to the yanks for them to burn in Central/west Asia.
Oh, Halliburton has made billions if not trillions, but you asked who’d benefited most.
And the question presupposes finance and base politics being the only motives possible for 9/11.
Iran did very well regionally as well.
Feel free to suggest any other motives too.
An equally plausible explanation.
Ignore the tags for it about “Islam” etc. It basically compares AQ extremists with US religious extremists on the other side. But not in a “clash of civilizations” sort of way – more “nutbars of all flavours”.
Similar to The Power of Nightmares, but a different angle and more detail.
But anyway, Iran did ok regionally, but not globally. China’s good for a hundred years of international supremacy, if it can maintain internal stability (big if IMO).
Is any one surprised that Peter Dunne was lying about the advice he’d recieved about min pricing on alcohol?
http://norightturn.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/dunne-on-alcohol-pricing.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
No, can’t say I am.
Nope, not surprised in the least.
SHOCKED I tell you.
This is a typical left wing beat up and it does the Standard no credit that you would allows this baseless Labour Party smear to be repeated.
Lying has always been UF policy. Peter Dunne mentioned it at every candidate meeting I attended and I won’t need two days to find evidence of that like I did with Asset Sales.
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I’m shocked that the Dunne fan club isn’t interested. Guess it’s been busy trying to figure out more important stuff, like ‘is there really a right wing?’ and ‘why do the people who own everything and have all the money have to pay tax while the people with nothing and no money hardly pay any?’
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Some figures for you, DH. They answer PG as to why the wealthy should pay most tax.
More than half of New Zealand’s total net worth is now owned by the richest 10 per cent of the population. According to a survey by Statistics NZ in 2003-04 ….. the richest 10 per cent own 52 per cent. The richest half of the country owns 95 per cent. The share of the poorest half is now 5 per cent.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10432468 (This article was written in 2007 but I should not expect a huge change in 2012.)
This of course demands the question as to who is ‘wealthy.’ The top 1% who own 16% of NZ’s worth, the top 5% who own 38%, the top 10% who own 52% or the top 50% who own 95%?
And who are the poor? The bottom 50% own 5% of NZ’s net worth.
A UN appointment is Tax Free irrespective of the tax base of the actual recipient.
Normally any NZ citizen with any income from wherever is taxed according to NZ tax regulations with all income included and taxable.
Fail wages. Fail Pay. Fail standard of living. Fail good health and well being. Fail productivity. Fail social cohesion. Fail family and friends time. Fail peace of mind. Fail self fulfilment.
Comparison chart for American wages and conditions: 1970’s Vs now
If you can be bothered with the comments start at about number 10. Its interesting to hear an American viewpoint of their diminishing pay and personal time
http://failblog.org/2012/08/03/job-fails-monday-thru-friday-what-was-that-office-space-dvd-cover-line-again/
They’re all doing it Rosie.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/30/258388/corporate-profits-recovery/
“Between the second quarter of 2009 and the fourth quarter of 2010, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. Pre-tax corporate profits by themselves had increased by $464 billion while aggregate real wages and salaries rose by only $7 billion or only .1%. Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. …The absence of any positive share of national income growth due to wages and salaries received by American workers during the current economic recovery is historically unprecedented.”
http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/96136?type=bloomberg
Between 2007 and 2010, working-class people — those in nonprofessional occupations who lack college degrees — saw their median earnings fall 4.6 percent, according to a study of U.S. census data prepared for Bloomberg News by Sentier Research of Annapolis, Maryland. Over the same period, earnings for college-educated professionals or managers rose 1.9 percent.
Working-class males were especially hard hit, with median annual earnings falling 6.6 percent, more than three times the 1.9 percent loss suffered by all employees, according to the study, an effort to quantify the recession’s impact on labor.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/bankers-salaries-vs-everyone-elses/
It shows that the average salary in the industry in 2010 was $361,330 — five and a half times the average salary in the rest of the private sector in the city ($66,120). By contrast, 30 years ago such salaries were only twice as high as in the rest of the private sector.
Thanks for those links Joe90. The experience of the American worker seems to be echoed in similarly politically/socially/industrial based nations around the world, including ours. We have our differences but for the average person it comes back to a reduction in wages, conditions, freedoms and rights. All those rights and conditions that were so hard won over generations and decades have been wittled away at by the influence and power of the corporate agenda upon governments, and we’re no different in our experience here. Its interesting to see a young persons mouth fall open when you tell them about things from another time like overtime, collective bargaining and regular rostered hours.
On another note at least we have some, albeit reduced as well, access to health care. The health of the American people must be in serious decline with no access to health care or social support. Theres been a couple of documentaries I’ve watched reporting people dying of preventable diseases and injury because of it. With reduced wages and long hours feeling healthy and well must be something one could only dream about. All the breakthroughs in science and health care means nothing if no one can afford it except the wealthy. I guess thats the idea though.
Frank said it best in 1981:
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Ah! Some great words there:-)
Can the UN address climate change in any effective way?
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/addressing-failures-of-rio.html
Climate change is NOT the urgent issue of our civilisation, ENERGY DEPLETION is.
Be nice – they both are 🙁
Yes, but addressing energy depletion is more likely to be successful and will help mitigate some of the cc issues. We are well beyond doing anything meaningful about cc itself, not because we are impotent, but because we really don’t give a shit.
All credit to Dave and the other Greens for trying to keep it on the agenda though. It would be so much worse if everyone was ignoring it.
Peak energy and peak debt is going to cause ongoing economic decline (and hence decline in energy use and GHG emissions). The question given that context:
How do we best prepare for and manage that decline so that our societal fabric, community lives, future of our families are made as best and as positive as possible.
Climate change activists never ever look at these questions; it is beyond the scope of their perspective therefore its a big problem that they cannot see the big problem.
Barking.
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/craigsteiner/2012/08/06/global_warming_debunked_by_intelligent_design/page/full/
Robbing the houses of the poor to give houses to the poor,
Maori Television’s Native Affairs tonight highlighting the divisive stealing of HousingNZ homes from the Auckland suburb of Glen Innes where the land they once occupied will be sold to the middle class voters of National to build upon while some of the houses once occupied by the poor of Auckland are to be trucked to Kaitaia to house the poor there,
Phill Heatley, the Housing Minister in this Slippery National Government claims this as some form of victory for low income families as there will be a build of new housing stock by HousingNZ, what Phill refuses to explain tho is how is this anything but crumbs off of the table when the number of houses built by the state will be half of the number previously there…
Al-Qaida forces and extremist fighters support Syrian rebels, as US Senate hears testimony that aiding in “flipping Syria” will help Israel and help fight Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GhF9ib8bIY&feature=g-u-u
The Great Game, still played by the Western Powers.
And allow me to thank Jenny for her continued and dedicated efforts to bring everyone at The Standard up to speed with the complex and multi-faceted situation in Syria.
The fact that Saudi Arabia, a Sharia law country where womens rights are non-existent, is helping to bring about the downfall of Syria using fundamentalist fighters, Syria a secular country where women have been enjoying relatively high levels of rights over many years, seems to just breeze lightly by her.
In fact its a classic example of “blow back” if I ever saw one. Thanks again Jenny.