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Polity: Key lies to Parliament: The proof

Written By: - Date published: 1:24 pm, May 8th, 2014 - 127 comments
Categories: john key, Judith Collins, Parliament - Tags: ,

polity_square_for_lynnThe original of this post by Rob Salmond at Polity is here.

Yesterday, John Key lied to Parliament. He made a very specific claim about a set of official documents, and those same documents show clearly that the claim was false.

First, here’s Key’s statement in Parliament, in response to a question from Labour’s Grant Robertson:

The [MFAT] paperwork shows right through this that not only did the Minister have a very busy programme, which the member wants to gloss over, all on judicial and justice issues, but, secondly, all the way through it talks about a private dinner.

I added the underlining to the critical phrases, in which Key assures Parliament that there was complete consistency throughout the planning process for Collins’ visit, and that the now infamous dinner with Oravida and the mystery Chinese border official was always intended to be private.

Well, let’s go to the tape, provided by those very same documents, as I summarized yesterday:

8 October
Collins specifically requests that MFAT invite Stone Shi and Julia Xu to whatever official event [redacted] attends1.

This document shows Collins attempting to engineer an official meeting between herself, Oravida, and [redacted Chinese Border Official].

15 October
MFAT officials learn2:

It appears Stone Shi has organised directly for the Minister to meet with a [redacted] (do they mean [redacted]) on Sunday evening. She would like you [NZ Ambassador to China] and Connie to attend.

Collins’ office directly requests briefing for the dinner, and also asks for Ambassadorial attendance3.

This document shows Collins not only arranging an official dinner for herself, Oravida, and [redacted Chinese Border Official], but requesting the New Zealand Ambassador to China attend, giving it even more official clout.

16 October

Collins’ office demands MFAT explain “why the Sunday dinner with [redacted] has not been included in the visit programme.”4

This document is utterly damning. It shows Collins wanted the dinner to have official status so badly that she question’s MFAT’s decision to leave it off the official programme.

These documents clearly contradict Key’s statement to Parliament not once, not twice, but three times. He was referring specifically to these documents in his statement. He lied.

If Key is anywhere near Wellington today, he simply has to come to the House to correct his answer. Deeply embarrassing that may be, but he cannot allow such blatant untruths to stand uncorrected.

They say its never the crime that gets you, it’s the cover up. How wretched must Judith Collins feel now that she has reduced the Prime Minister to lying in Parliament on her behalf, all in order to conceal an obvious and ugly truth.

127 comments on “Polity: Key lies to Parliament: The proof”

  1. just saying 1

    Much as I would often disagree with his opinions, I’ve gotta say, Rob is streets ahead of John Pagani at doing this job.
    Good work, Rob.

  2. ianmac 2

    John Key relies on people not noticing or following up on his words. With John Armstrong and Whaleoil around to applaud his antics, Mr Key may be misjudging the appetite for holding him to his words. Smug arrogance won’t keep you alive Johnny Boy.
    I expect that Grant will haunt Key with his own words next week.
    And yes Rob. Great work!

  3. Hayden 3

    Interesting to note that the mystery dinner guest’s name has been withheld under section 6(a): to avoid prejudicing the international relations of the New Zealand Government.

    • Tracey 3.1

      is this because the chinese govt does ordoesnt know who it is? because the chinese might make an example of him for shaming them?

      for my part i believe the chinese govt must know who he is. a foreign govt minister in town would surely be under scrutiny in a nation like china?

      i spoke with someone involved in fisher and paykel when bought by haier. the chinese expect bribes to keep the process moving. the chinese employee is reluctant to make a decision alone, happy enough to do so with another person, but not alone.this person told me the first mandarin they were taught at management level was for “fucking peasants”.

      a bottle of whiskey here, a family trip there, but covered up, and kept seperate from the top level company executives who know its happening but not by their hand.

      • grumpy 3.1.1

        Everyone knows who he is, it’s Ted Redac, the well known Chinese border official. Everyone knows that in China your surname goes first – so it’s Redac Ted. Geez you lefties are slow……

        • Tracey 3.1.1.1

          took you two days to think that up grumpy?? you going to do a slylands and call your colleagues over for a giggle?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 3.2

      How could a private dinner prejudice the international relations of the New Zealand Government?

      He asked, innocently…

      • Tracey 3.2.1

        all the other chinese border official who wish they were friends with collins might withdraw their labour? prison means nothing after the disappointment of being rejected by judith for friendship.

  4. Skinny 4

    Well you won’t get Key in parliament today he is currently in Whangarei at the National Party Cabinet club Luncheon at the Prawn Bar & Grill. There is a small group of activists, one with a loud hailer giving the ‘pay for favours’ guests what for over their donation scamming.

    • blue leopard 4.1

      Thanks to the activists for getting out there and doing that :)

    • Paul 4.2

      You are well informed

      • Skinny 4.2.1

        The strong arm of Unions represent workers who work behind the scene at these events. Put it this way I wouldn’t want to eat anything put infront of me at such events lol.

        • Not Petey 4.2.1.1

          More proof Unions are scum ……. well at least the one you represent.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 4.2.1.1.1

            Funny what you consider proof.

            If you believe the practice of adding extra protein to coffee is confined to union members you are very much mistaken. It’s a disgusting practice, but then so is the politics of the minimum wage, so who you gonna trust?

            Drink a clear tea and add your own milk is my advice.

            • Not Petey 4.2.1.1.1.1

              Yes it is a disgusting practice and in this instance if the commenter is to be believed sanctioned by the respective union…….. yuk I think most of the union’s members and the coworkers of anyone involved in this type of thing would be rightly disgusted.

              • Tracey

                how dare the downtrodden find a way to vent their hardship. fucking peasants.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Do they serve River Crab?

                • not Petey

                  Yeah quite reasonable trying to poison people….. FFS what planet do you come from ?

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Poison? I doubt very much whether minimum wage workers have poison for saliva.

                    Edit: now I see the problem, you think union worker and your brain sees a Komodo Dragon.

                    • McFlock

                      Don’t you know that tories are severely allergic to poor people?

                    • not Petey

                      Yeah because no viruses or other lurgies are spread by saliva …… oh wait on ?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      So not poison then. Coming to work on a sick day just to spit in Not Petey’s coffee. Doesn’t ring true for me.

                    • not Petey

                      So hocking in someones drinks/food is OKish if you’re not sick ?

                      Just for future reference you don’t need to come in on a sick day to spread several very nasty viruses about but yeah keep digging yourself a hole you vile piece of filth.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Once more for the English comprehension challenged: No, adding bodily fluids to a meal is not ok .

                      I expect Not Petey’s unhinged reaction to my mentioning it has something to do with the engorged amygdala that afflicts a Tory. They dwell on morbidity and nausea, apparently.

                      Glad I’m not a Tory.

                    • Roy

                      not Petey can’t distinguish between toxicology and medical microbiology. Sad.

                  • Tracey

                    not planet key…

                    since when is saliva poison?

                    you affront and some mythical story you tell yourself is laughable.

                    taxpayers funding a minister to help her husbands company is ok, but the suggestion someone might spit in a meal…. OUTRAGE?

                    • not Petey

                      Get over yourself Tracey.

                      The Collins beatup is a political and MSM turn for a couple of weeks and will be gone before the end of the month.

                      So fecking what she had a meal with the company who husband is a director of which exports NZ products into China whooped de do?

                      IMO Maurice Williamson’s indiscretion was far more serious but both will be minor hiccoughs in NZs political landscape in a couple of months let alone in a couple of years.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      :lol:

                      Comical Petey. They’re going to bring down the government.

                    • not Petey

                      Comical OAB you live in a fucking fantasy land the only person who might bring down the government is Winston Peters.

                    • framu

                      “So fecking what she had a meal with the company who husband is a director of which exports NZ products into China whooped de do?”

                      its called a conflict of interest cretin – are you OK with a politician from ANY party using tax dollars to benefit their family and party donors?

                      jesus wept

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      :roll:

                      Earth to Not Petey, and why would Winnie be in a position to bring down the government?

                      Because Judith and Maurice ruined their chances of getting close enough to 50%.

                      Baby steps, come on, you can do it…

                      We need better wingnuts.

                    • Tracey

                      froth not petey froth… like a rabid dog

                      plea se enlighten us withyour definition of

                      poverty of responsibility… poverty of truth j collins 2002
                      ” highest ethical standards” cabinet manual

                      i dropped in for a cup of tea ” on the way to the airport”
                      j collins 2014

                      the documents show it was always a private dinner j key 2014

                      proven lies in oia documents released under oia in may 2014

                      you are so outraged at unions but consider collins benefitting her husband financially AND LYING is a display of highest ethical standards.

                      keep posting rabid wee acolyte, you look more foolish with each keystroke.

                    • Not Petey

                      “its called a conflict of interest cretin – are you OK with a politician from ANY party using tax dollars to benefit their family and party donors?”

                      OK so if it had been let’s say Tim Grosser meeting with Orivida you wouldn’t be screeching ?

                      It’s no different to Annette sorting out the DHBs etc when she was Minister storm in a teacup stuff and soon forgotten by the masses and the MSM when they’ve got a new cause celebrate to create some angst over.

                    • Not Petey

                      Sigh OAB …….. the Nats despite their most ambitious fantasies are and were never going to get over the line without another party (I don’t count the singe seat parties as parties) and the only one that could be would be Winston first.

                    • Tracey

                      to ask about tim groser just exposes your complete misunderstanding of the entire collins issue

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      A cause celebre with lots more episodes to elapse before it grinds to its boring and sorry conclusion, or better still, a full-blown and massively destructive leadership challenge.

                      I’m backing Judith. Judith is strong.

                    • Not Petey

                      Nah not at all Tracey, all the indignant outrage over Collins is because she has the audacity to be friends with the owner of the company who exports NZ products to China and that her husband is one of the board members and she visited the offices while over in China oh noes oh noes the world is coming to an end …..

                      …… more sighing to OAB….. why would Judith get the leadership of the Nats when Key is preferred PM by several country miles ?

                    • the pigman

                      There, there not Petey, you’re getting all worked up. Relax, sit down and put your feet up, I’ve made you a nice milky cup of chai ;)

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Didn’t anyone in the Power Elite watch Fight Club? I mean seriously, here’s the brief recap for the 0.1%:

                      “Remember this. The people you’re trying to step on, we’re everyone you depend on. We’re the people who do your laundry and cook your food and serve your dinner. We make your bed. We guard you while you’re asleep. We drive the ambulances. We direct your call. We are cooks and taxi drivers and we know everything about you. We process your insurance claims and credit card charges. We control every part of your life.

                      We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we’ll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won’t. And we’re just learning this fact. So don’t fuck with us.”

                      People like Not Petey simply don’t understand the ultimate consequences of where the Power Elite is driving our civilisation at top speed. It’s not going to be pretty, for anyone, and we need to change course now.

                    • freedom

                      finally …
                      ty CV,

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      “…why would Judith get the leadership of the Nats when Key is preferred PM by several country miles?”

                      Because Key is weak and doesn’t back his ministers, hiding behind Cabinet Manual “guidelines”. Judith is strong and looks after her friends.

                • Foreign Waka

                  Can you say this in mandarin?

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                If your bad faith spin on that commenter’s remark is to believed I’m pretty sure pigs will fly next.

                “Sanctioned”. Yeah, really, no, you made it up.

                • not Petey

                  I’ve known Unions sanction all types of vile shit, this would be no different, thankfully most of the cloth cap filth imported from the UK have either died, are in their dotage or are in irrelevant positions so there are less incidents these days.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    No, the problem is English comprehension: you are confusing the alleged behaviour of what by your own somewhat fanciful description is a small group of individuals and pretending that represents official sanction. Like blaming The National Party for the behaviour of Judith Collins.

                  • Tracey

                    you an d skinny could have been cut from the same cloth…

                  • Skinny

                    You are out of touch chap regarding good old English Unionist here in NZ.

                    I just read on my union feed that a South Island port stoush has just concluded with a fine win for the workers who manned up and took industrial action. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think the Union organiser is a former East Ender. A superb pedigree to be fronting any scrap with the bosses. A salute to you my comrade JK! To think the port boss buckled before even getting to mediation :)

              • Skinny

                Oh goodness me you wingnuts are touchy these days. Ok my little joke was in poor ‘taste’ however I must say your reaction was like someone dropped a weta down the front of your pants i.e squeamish and over excitable.

              • Murray Olsen

                I hear the catering staff at Oravida HQ are even worse than unionists. They are communists!! I hope Judith didn’t swallow.

            • Rob 4.2.1.1.1.2

              So what’s the game plan with the added protein Skinny and Bloke, Saliva, seamen or sh*t , all have a pretty good protein percentage, whats the standard practice for you guys?

                • Rob

                  Yep , I must admit I did have a mental image of some aged, angry under achiever squating on the table and taking a dump in the curry, you know , just trying to make a point….

                  • Tracey

                    that says more about you rob, than skinnys real or imagined story above.

                    • not Petey

                      You should sit in on some more Labour caucus meetings – apparently some of the MPs are dynamite when they’re on the turps.

                    • Tracey

                      okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Stop the press! Person gets drunk, runs mouth a bit!

                • framu

                  another whale whore.

              • Tracey

                i hope you have never complained at a restaurant. apparently chefs can be quite upset. even the rich ones from the telly.

                in the meantime the prime minister has lied in parliament, collins has lied…

                ” highest ethical standards”

                the proof is in black and white, for those who choose to read.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Oh, am I being accused of condoning the disgusting practice now, Rob? “You guys” really are having a problem with English comprehension today.

                The particular individual I am thinking of claimed to add saliva to the coffees they made for a particular politician. Still, the first rule of fight club is not to talk about fight club so who knows how widespread the practice is? After all, no-one likes a Tory.

                • not Petey

                  “After all, no-one likes a Tory.”

                  What about other tories ?

                  And if that’s the case, on current polling what on earth would they be putting in Cunliffes coffee down at the tea shop ?

                  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b29_1367100542

                • Tracey

                  it turns out some of the govt supporters cant read.

                  but mention bodily fluids and they go all downton abbey.

                  lying to cover ones misuse of office and taxpayer money to assist ones husband and friends is simply how one behaves for ones chums. fucking peasants.

                  there is poverty in this country but its not monetary… its a poverty of responsibility… a poverty of truth j collins 2002

                  i dropped by for a cup of tea on the way to the airport… it was a dinner with friends… it was a private dinner. j collins 2014

                  collins lied documents under oia 2014

                  key lied hansard may 2014

                  now, take your union hating bullshit and put it with your head, up your arses.

                  • not Petey

                    wah wah wah lives so unfair way way way everything will be greta when Labour and the greens save us wwah wwwhah … get a job Tracey you dozy hag.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      :lol:

                      Another hostile fuckwit with his head firmly lodged up his arse.

                      Tracey’s profession is obvious to anyone who’s been paying attention.

                    • framu

                      do you actually have something to say or are you going to stick with proving you have trouble putting your pants on the right way?

                    • Not Petey

                      “Tracey’s profession is obvious to anyone who’s been paying attention.”

                      Dung eater ?

                    • felix

                      Still pretending to be a doctor, higherstandard?

                    • vto

                      For an illustration of all that is ugly and ignorant about the tory, see not Petey’s comments above…..

                  • Rob

                    And no doubt all your anger and perceived injustice in regards to this matter will stay with you to your grave. By the way who said I was union hating.

                    Tracey you have demonstrated that hate is all with you, dont let drive it drive you into the ground before your time.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      While you bag others for hate I’m waiting to hear your explanation for your dishonest and hostile smear against yours truly; a simpleton’s mistake can easily lead to conflict, and you make lots

          • Tracey 4.2.1.1.2

            thats the market for ya

    • Tracey 4.3

      proof its a cc function?

      • Skinny 4.3.1

        Who are you Tracey the proof police?
        Watch tonights news point and spray John Key’s cheesy face will be all over it.

        • Tracey 4.3.1.1

          jst asking. you made a definitive statement and i wondered what you based it on.

          of course you could have written how you knew it was a cc function when you posted. i wont apologise for trying to tell the facts from the made up stuff.

          do you think he will make the news for the fiber roll out or the cabinet club?

  5. BLiP 5

    John Key is on a roll. This Oravida coverup is taking on the now familar patina of mendacity we have seen in relation to John Key covering up such things as the Sky City deal, or the employment of Ian Fletcher, and and and . . .

    The Cabinet Office has cleared Collins of a conflict of interest after it translated comments on Oravida’s website which stated that she had praised its products

    My Justice Minister, Judith Collins, didn’t lie to Parliament, she just didn’t understand the question.

    The [MFAT] paperwork shows right through this that not only did the Minister have a very busy programme, all on judicial and justice issues, but, secondly, all the way through it talks about a private dinner.

    No, I did not mislead parliament. (??)

    . . . thanks John, I’m lovin’ it.

  6. Puckish Rogue 6

    Big deal, Robertson said something that was proven to be incorrect (was that a lie?) by Pete George and Mallard made up claims as well (was that a lie?) also it proves nothing except its collins office not collins herself

    Back to the drawing board lefties

    • Tracey 6.1

      go read the documents and then read her maiden speech. she, unlike you, champions personal responsibility.

      how much, if anything, do you think ms collins husband receives per annum from the five oravida companies upon which he serves as a director?

      ive commented many times on my view of mr mallard and his tactics. i have yet to see you comment on whether you think collins conduct, bennetts lie the other day, and the strong possibility mr key lied to the house yesterday, meets the ” highest ethical standards” demanded/required by the cabinet manual?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.2

      Can you not see the corner Key is painting himself into Puckish Rogue? Have a look at Hansard. And Polity.

      One little bit at a time. A weak Prime Minister. And Judith is strong.

      • Tracey 6.2.1

        he has started relying on pete george for his assertions… enough said?

      • Puckish Rogue 6.2.2

        Labour has nothing,all they’ve said is a mere rehash (or straight out lies) of what they’ve said before in the vain hope that Collins and/or Key will breakdown and quit

        • Tracey 6.2.2.1

          still not read the documents and hansard aye pucky…

          “there is a poverty of responsibility… a poverty of truth…” j collins 2002

          “highest ethical standards” cabinet manual

          collins done nothing wrong

          puckly roget 2014

        • Not Petey 6.2.2.2

          meh if this is the best ammunition that labour have got along with the less than electrifying policy statements to date I’d expect the polls to improve for the Nats and Greens and get progressively more dire for Labour.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 6.2.2.2.1

            What sort of ammunition do you need for the death of a thousand cuts?

            • not Petey 6.2.2.2.1.1

              Ask Trevor and the rest of the ABCs, I’m sure they’ve got a substantive database.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Anyone but Collins? Get real, they’re dead meat, and she already knows their names.

              • Tracey

                havent you received todays memo?

                the knife throwing and teeth gnashing is in the national caucus. key is a brave man to leave wellington.

                tell us again petey how collins has done nothing wrong. tell us again that national giving jones a tax payer funded junket job makes labour look bad

                your emperor is wanding around in singlet and undies, soon hewill be naked, but for now his ralph lauren gruds stand between him and total exposure.

          • Tracey 6.2.2.2.2

            if only collins would sign something to benefit a charity. now THAT would be worthy of weeks of outrage.

            sadly she is unlikely to do anything that wont benefit herself, indirectly or directly.

          • Tracey 6.2.2.2.3

            and yet you are particularly rabid today… so much frothing at the mouth for someone so unworried about the lay of the land for national.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 6.2.2.3

          Judith will never quit, but Key has betrayed her twice now and he has to pay.

  7. Treetop 7

    Were it a private dinner with good friends the elephant in the room is the border official. Had relevant business not have been discussed and I was a border official I would have been bored and probably have been too busy to have attended. Too much coincidence for the border official to attend a dinner without a definite purpose. Collins had a tight itinerary/schedule as well.

    Were it an official meeting with a border official this breaches the cabinet manual as there is a conflict of interest.

    The reason for being at the dinner is what Collins needs to face. Misleading parliament is a no no for a crown minister.

    • Tracey 7.1

      and the invite to the ambassador to join them.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2

      Nah, there’s nothing suspicious about [redacted]‘s presence per se: anyone can be friends.

      What’s suspicious is that Oravida tried to set up an official meeting with [redacted] that turned into a “private” one when alarm bells started ringing at MFAT.

      • Tracey 7.2.1

        a friend who doesnt speak collins language. any suggestion an interpreter was there… not from what i have read.

        the documents are a mixture of

        moj
        ministers office
        minister

      • Treetop 7.2.2

        I agree, a dinner is either a private one or an official one, Collins made it an official, private one. I’d like to know what her definition of “private” is ?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2.2.1

          It’s one where you can report back to the ambassador that nothing untoward was discussed and your staff confirm it. Despite the fact that neither them nor you speak Mandarin.

          • Treetop 7.2.2.1.1

            A private dinner would not require a person to report back anything to the ambassador.

            Translation is not an issue for any language, as a lap top or a smart phone is all that is required to communicate.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2.2.1.1.1

              Erm, it’s one where you all agree to call it “private” and everyone keeps a straight face?

              Or, one where you hold it in a private room because [redacted] is conscious of the new president’s anti-corruption speech?

              Or is it, one where you have to keep the details hidden from the New Zealand public because if they find out about it you’ll have to resign?

          • Tracey 7.2.2.1.2

            i thought that was a telling response by collins, that she reported to the ambassador ANYTHING about the private dinner with friends… makes no sense.

            • Hawkrest 7.2.2.1.2.1

              Do you know what the correspondence between Collins and the ambassador was prior to the dinner.

              Perhaps the ambassador and his wife were invited due to the fact that a Chinese official was to be at the private dinner as well- as a safe guard. As they could not attend he may have asked to be informed about the happening’s at the dinner.

              So she informed him.

    • Skinny 7.3

      And our Ambassador smelt the rat of the conflict of interest and wisely abstained by declining the invitation. Remember he is well informed by our diplomatic (commonly referred to as spy’s) group stationed over there.

  8. dave 8

    williams gate, collins gate (on going ) now it looks like the storm is coming to woodhouse and donkey lies and lies and lies the stench and stink is growing. scandel!

  9. Jim 9

    The never ending story keeps on giving, I wonder which new piece of information labour or NZ First will introduce next week, and what will it be the week after. What requests to the OAG have the press got in at the moment to legitimise the information they already know. When will the most juicy bits come out? Three weeks before the election would be my guess. The NATS and the MSM where daring Labour to spill all there beans this week, they held their nerve and their ammunition for when it counts.

  10. ianmac 10

    What is important is that the absolute belief and trust of the Key Administration is being eroded. Even those who do not follow the detail will begin to wonder. That would be good eh?

  11. One Anonymous Bloke 11

    I think Key can squirm out of this.

    The dinner meeting Collins and [redacted] attended was organised by Deyi (aka Stone) Shi after Collins’ official one fell through.

    Key is going to say they were two separate meetings (he’ll call them dinners), one of which never happened, and he was talking about the other one which was private because it was organised by Mr. Deyi.

    Of course he was still lying and it will boost the official narrative: that he is dishonest and shady, but it’s all he’s got.

    • miravox 11.1

      I still wonder if Key directed Collins to organise the dinner. It reeks of the way he does business.

    • felix 11.2

      Yay, Collins can stay!

    • Treetop 11.3

      Had the border official not attended, there may have been no dinner to catch up with friends.

      No one knows the level of english that the border official understands.

      Nothing surprises me, Woodhouse and Liu had a minimum hour long meeting and Liu does not speak english. Also the minister went to Liu’s hotel.

      Three strikes for the government this week. The $10,000,000 immigration entry has become a millstone.

      • Weepu's beard 11.3.1

        Was Woodhouse’s visit before or after Liu roughed up his wife? Either way, I bet he’s regretting it now.

        • Treetop 11.3.1.1

          The visit occurred in 2012.

        • Treetop 11.3.1.2

          Wrong answer was given. Correct answer 14 months ago.

          • Weepu's beard 11.3.1.2.1

            Thanks. Wasn’t suggesting Woodhouse knew about Liu’s domestic violence background prior to the odd meeting at the hotel. Never-the-less, it shows how cosy the very highest offices of our Government are with National party donors of sometimes questionable character.

  12. vto 12

    Perhaps John Key, like all compulsive liars, has simply given up and is just running with his lies now. No longer cares.

    Makes sense as pretty much everytime the subject of John Key’s honesty arises in various conversation the solid consensus is “dishonest. liar. bullshitter”

    • felix 12.1

      He doesn’t really have any other option I reckon. Foot to the floor til the gas runs out.

  13. captain hook 13

    meanwhile pile on the cheese!

  14. Roy 14

    My reaction on reading the headline was ‘What? We need MORE proof?’
    Sadly, we don’t. Still, good job pointing out this blatant example. Add it to the list…:-(

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    This guest post is by Alister Barry, producer and co-director of the new documentary Hot Air, which will be premiered in Wellington next week. Hot Air is screening in the New Zealand International Film Festival around the country over the...
    Hot Topic | 23-07
  • Laid-back Tennis Court – Lorde (Diplo’s Andre Agassi Remix)
    ...
    The Paepae | 23-07
  • Paula Bennett highlights some “loopy rules”
    Hello everyone. I’m Local Government Minister and chief National Party sass-machine Paula Bennett. I’ve been asked by MyThinks to write more about our plans to review and reject all of those stupid and loopy rules that many of our tiny...
    My Thinks | 23-07
  • Election news. Where is it
    So where’s the election news? Main stream media seems more obsessed about David Cunliffe’s holiday than the policies that his party is promoting. If I want to read about where he is vacationing and why, then let’s read it in...
    Closing the Gap | 23-07
  • Sorry – it’s a complicated word
    The art of saying sorry – it’s a tough one. Apologise like Lou Vincent, and win plaudits left, right and centre. Apologise like Aaron Gilmore, and everything just gets worse. It’s been an odd time lately for apologies. David Cunliffe of...
    Occasionally erudite | 23-07
  • Robert Ellis’s apocalyptic vision of Auckland
    This blog has often written about Auckland’s 1950s-era motorway development plan, which transformed the city in fundamental ways. New Zealand painter Robert Ellis was one of the first to grasp the significance and character of that transformation. His Motorway/City series,...
    Transport Blog | 23-07
  • Dear LEGO employees…
    Hi. My name is Ian and I'm a campaigner with Greenpeace. I'm also a new dad and a big fan of LEGO. She's a little young now, but I know that in a few years my baby girl will be...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 23-07
  • Feed: Fulminating and fermenting
    Longtime readers of this site may be aware of my occasional bursts of fulmination about overhopped stunt beers -- and my calls for New Zealand craft brewers to produce more sessionable brews in the classic best bitter style I think...
    Public Address | 23-07
  • More stat-juking
    There were more allegations in Parliament today that the government is juking the stats, with Andrew Little pointing at a report from the Taranaki Daily News that a Crown prosecutor had claimed:"There was one occasion in 2012 when it was...
    No Right Turn | 23-07
  • A cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand
    Russel Norman- General debate speech, 23 July 2014   Together, it is possible to build a cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand. A New Zealand in which our rivers are clean enough to swim in and our precious beaches are safe...
    frogblog | 23-07
  • Using Ministerial Inquiries to Close Down Debate
    As a young MP in the British House of Commons in the late 1970s, I rapidly became aware that half the political stories in Fleet Street originated with the Press Association’s indefatigable political correspondent, Chris Moncrieff. I was regularly button-holed...
    Bryan Gould | 23-07
  • Prison hulks
    In the 18th and 19th centuries, Britain pioneered a new type of atrocity: the prison hulk. Faced with a shortage of jail space, they turned to imprisoning convicts on former warships. The prisoners were subjected to appalling conditions in an...
    No Right Turn | 23-07
  • Challenging Britain’s panopticon
    Last week, the British establishment rammed through new "emergency" surveillance and data retention laws, with the collusion of all three major parties. Now those laws are being challenged in the courts:Two leading Westminster civil liberties campaigners, David Davis and Tom...
    No Right Turn | 23-07
  • Systemic Realignment.
    The chaotic state of contemporary international affairs demonstrates the serious limitations of constructivism and idealism as theoretical frameworks for the analysis of global macro-dynamics. The former claims that the construction of international institutions helps universalise common values and mores, thereby...
    Kiwipolitico | 23-07
  • Member’s Day
    Today is a Member's Day, the last of the Parliamentary term. But thanks to government filibustering over the past few months, instead of seeing the third reading of Sue Moroney's Parental Leave and Employment Protection (Six Months' Paid Leave) Amendment...
    No Right Turn | 23-07
  • Socially helpful photoshopping
    This one is close to my heart. It involves a man who lost his infant daughter Sophia to severe disease. She was only 6 weeks old. Sophia’s father Nathan had never seen her face free of wires and tubes. So...
    Polity | 23-07
  • Why are the electric trains so slow?
    In the first week or two of the Onehunga Line’s switch to electric trains there were major issues with the trains keeping to timetable, apparently due to overly conservative speed restrictions being put in the trains as part of their...
    Transport Blog | 23-07
  • Dairy Farming in Brazil :Nitrogen Management
    With the challenge New Zealand is facing with increased nitrogen leaching that has come with intensifying of dairy, there is understandably a tendency to ‘look over the fence’ and see how we compare with others. New Zealanders have applied our...
    Gareth’s World | 23-07
  • Gamechangers
    Updated the tracking poll. For variety’s sake this one goes all the way back to the start of 2005. It doesn’t correct for bias and the large circles intersecting the vertical lines are election results : Josie Pagani wrote a ‘what...
    DimPost | 23-07
  • Understanding the 2014 election campaign
    If David Cunliffe decided one day to redecorate his kitchen, they would call it a décor flip-flop....
    Imperator Fish | 22-07
  • Shuttling diplomacy between the bombs
    The mounting death toll in Gaza has spurred an intensified flurry of diplomacy (again), and finally a stated acknowledgement that this time the terms of any ceasefire (which will eventually come) need to differ from those of the past three...
    Pundit | 22-07
  • National Government Running Regional Health Services into Oblivion
    I am amazed anyone outside of Auckland will be voting for National this election.  They have shown only one intent in regards to regions outside of Auckland, and to a slightly lesser extent Christchurch, everywhere else  is considered a last...
    An average kiwi | 22-07
  • The MH17 blame game
    No matter who's side you're on, it's a terrible day when innocent lives are lost in another countries conflict. As questions still need to be answered as to why exactly flight MH17 was flying in controlled airspace in the first place, many headlines...
    The Jackal | 22-07
  • Hard News: Te Reo Māori in schools: let’s just start
    I was born 52 years ago today, on a date that seems unnervingly close to the 1950s. I caught the end of the free school milk years (they really did just leave it out in the sun) and I like...
    Public Address | 22-07
  • World News Brief, Wednesday July 23
    Top of the AgendaIsrael-Hamas Conflict Continues Despite International Pressure...
    Pundit | 22-07
  • The Regions and Stuff
    Yesterday Labour announced a boost for the regions, with at least $200 million available for large-scale projects that promise to give some of our struggling regions new economic opportunities. Dredging harbours, re-opening rail-lines, strategic procurement decisions, that kind of thing....
    Polity | 22-07
  • Disgraceful
    John Key’s refusal this week to apologise to Tania Billingsley is nothing short of disgraceful. Even worse is the reason he gave for ignoring Ms Billingsley: I don't make apologies unless there's a serious reason for me to do that....
    Polity | 22-07
  • Basin Bridge Bowled
    In stunning news yesterday the Board of Inquiry hearing the case for the Basin Bridge bowled out the NZTA by declined consent for the project.  This is what it would have looked like had it been approved: All up the...
    Transport Blog | 22-07
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #27: Nats back in ascendency
    Press Release – iPredict Inflation and interest rate expectations fall ahead of OCR announcement tomorrow Forecast fiscal surplus again falls sharply, and growth marginally down Greens fall and Internet-Mana strengthens, as Sykes gets closer in Waiariki No feasible …IPREDICT LTD...
    Its our future | 22-07
  • Government Planning on Ditching Group Special Education?
    As Parents who have a child with a learning disability and/or behavioural problems at school will know, Group Special Education (GSE) have the Specialists to assist staff with the best way to support those children. I have been told by...
    An average kiwi | 22-07
  • DOWNING OF MH17: A FALSE FLAG OPERATION?
    Or: Why Didn’t the Flight-booking Computers say ‘No’ to a Flight over War-zone? MH17 vs Ukrainian SU-25? Russian Defense Ministry claims a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet was within 5-10 km of the Malaysian aircraft.  Snoopman, 22 July 2014   Genuflection...
    Snoopman News | 22-07
  • Green party statement on Gaza
    Today, the Green party's Kennedy Graham made a heartfelt speech concerning the immediate cease fire in Gaza and called on Israel to withdraw it's military forces. The Green party MP also read out the names of children already killed in...
    The Jackal | 22-07
  • Seal of approval – How marine mammals provide important climate data
    Understanding what is happening in the oceans is crucial since 90% of global warming is going there and attempts to measure temperatures at various depths go back to the 1960s. But, what does this Weddell seal have to do with this...
    Skeptical Science | 22-07
  • Taskforce to Tackle Loopy Rules
    The National Party have announced that if they’re re-elected they’ll form a taskforce to tackle loopy rules and regulations. Local Government Minister Paula Bennett today announced the establishment of a new Taskforce to rid New Zealand of loopy rules and...
    Transport Blog | 22-07
  • Manufacturing dissent
    So, it turns out that almost all US "domestic terrorists" are created and directly incited by the US government:Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or...
    No Right Turn | 22-07
  • Minimum wage rises don’t lift unemployment, analysts agree
    More than 600 US Economists, including 7 nobel laureates, assert that increases in the minimum wage have little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum wage workers ...
    Closing the Gap | 22-07
  • The NZ First conference: policy highlights
    What were some of the policy announcements that came from the New Zealand First conference?...
    Imperator Fish | 22-07
  • Saved
    The Basin Reserve has been saved: Controversial plans to build a flyover next to the Basin Reserve in Wellington have been killed off by a board of inquiry. In a stunning move today, four commissioners declined resource consent for the...
    No Right Turn | 22-07
  • Not serious
    That's John Key's assessment of his government's failure in the Tania Billingsley case:"I don't make apologies unless there's a serious reason for me to do that." Except apparently it is serious enough to justify an independent inquiry (though one which...
    No Right Turn | 22-07
  • Vote Choice: John Key – the Fence Sitter
    Welcome to ALRANZ’s Vote Choice series, where we offer you our views on candidate’s opinions on abortion and reproductive justice, so that you can make an informed decision on 20 September. We encourage members to go along to candidate forums...
    ALRANZ | 22-07
  • Barry Brill and Anonymous: U R A Fraud
    People send me things. Brightening my email inbox last week was a pithy little email, headed U r a fraud. It didn’t have much to say. Here it is, in its entirety, exactly as it appeared: Please take down your...
    Hot Topic | 22-07
  • Access: Power to (all) the people!
    The society we live in today has been shaped by many struggles, social movements, and revolutionary forces, most aiming to create a more egalitarian existence.  Women, indigenous peoples, LGBT communities, and even animals have secured hard won recognition of their...
    Public Address | 22-07
  • Up Front: Tomorrow Lives Forever
    A while back, I promised you that next time I wrote, we'd have more fun. In that time, the world in general and my life in particular have become much grimmer. Therefore, in my opinion, the Fun is even more...
    Public Address | 22-07
  • More Australian torture
    Successive Australian governments have systematically dehumanised and demonised asylum seekers as part of their war on refugees, and the results have been predictable: torture, murder, and ill-treatment. And now they're torturing refugees to cover up their crimes:Two asylum seekers in...
    No Right Turn | 22-07
  • Petrol price elasticity, and supermarket vouchers
    As we all know, when the price of something goes up, we buy less of it. For some products, we’ll change our behaviour significantly (holidays or books, perhaps). For other products, we just grit our teeth, hand over the credit...
    Transport Blog | 22-07
  • Claudette Hauiti doesn’t wait for a third strike
    National Party list MP Claudette Hauiti has this morning announced her retirement from politics. It’s safe to say that since she came in to Parliament as Aaron Gilmore’s replacement, back in May last year, her career as a backbench MP...
    Occasionally erudite | 22-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    National has refused a briefing from a group of Maui's dolphins experts, whose research shows 80 per cent of New Zealanders want greater protection for the critically endangered dolphin, the Green Party said today.Dolphin campaigner Gemma McGrath and marine scientist...
    Greens | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    “Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”, said MANA candidate for Mt Albert, Joe Carolan. “A good start would be for all Labour Auckland MPs and members to join the Justice for Palestine...
    Mana | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no need for further research, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “Labour backs the public call...
    Labour | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. “Valley School in Pukekohe was advised in an email from the...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning, says Maryan Street, Labour’s State Services spokesperson.  ...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has already lost hundreds of jobs, Labour says. Labour’s Social Development spokesperson and Hamilton-based list MP Sue...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must not be used as an excuse to take resources away from the capital, Wellington Labour MPs...
    Labour | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “While the regions are crying out for sustainable growth and job opportunities,...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way for other alternatives to be given a fair hearing, Wellington Labour MPs Grant Robertson and...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Reo Māori Policy Launch
    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable quota market, said Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor. “Our reputation as a Lamb producer...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Ae Marika! 22 July 2014
    The big storm has gone, but the damage that it did and the saturation levels that it reached meant that smaller storms quickly overwhelmed roading, and water-flow systems again in the north. And although certain individuals are talking up the...
    Mana | 21-07
  • 2014 Roger Award nominations now open
    The Roger Award is for The Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand in 2014 Nominations are now open please visit the website to nominate the worst TNC in Aotearoa. You will need to include reasons why you think your...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a fund to create breakthrough opportunities for jobs and sustainable growth, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 21-07
  • Speech to Local Government New Zealand
    Speech to the Local Government New Zealand Conference 2014 Read our full regional development policy Download Introduction Early in my time as an MP I went for a long walk on a windswept Kare Kare beach with Waitakere mayor Bob Harvey. We talked...
    Labour | 21-07
  • Stop Israeli State Terror – Rally and March this Saturday 26th July, Aote...
     The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is getting much worse and the world is marching in unprecedented numbers. New Zealanders spoke out strongly last Saturday with a march of 5,000 people in Auckland (see picture below) – the biggest march ever...
    Mana | 21-07
  • NZ needs to assist UN with aid for Gaza
    The New Zealand Government should support the United Nation's efforts to raise money to assist humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, the Green Party said today.The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) has made a...
    Greens | 21-07
  • INTERNET MANA ROAD TRIP- LEG 2
      WAIKATO / TARANAKI / MANAWATU-WANGANUI  Tuesday July 29th, 6pm | RotoruaDistinction Hotel, Fenton Ballroom, 390 Fenton Street, Rotorua  Wednesday July 30th 6pm | HamiltonWaikato University, Price Waterhouse Coopers Lecture Theatre, Gate 7, Hillcrest Rd Hamilton  Thursday July 31st, 6pm |...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Road fix needed now, not later
    Northland’s roading system is in chaos and needs fixing fast, Labour List MP Kelvin Davis says.  “According to NZTA’s 10 year funding data every area of Northland has had a decrease in NZTA funding since 2008...
    Labour | 20-07
  • KiwiSaver innovations needed to build wealth
    The innovative changes to KiwiSaver suggested by the Financial Services Council today will be seriously considered by Labour as part of plans to make KiwiSaver universal, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Universal KiwiSaver is an essential part of Labour’s...
    Labour | 20-07
  • Greens announce 20 hours free ECE for two year olds
    The Green Party today announced that its key social platform for this election will be to tackle child poverty and inequality by ensuring every child in New Zealand has enough to thrive.The Green Party will make a series of policy...
    Greens | 20-07
  • MANA Pasifika Says NO To Discrimination
    Vice Chairperson of MANA Pasifika James Papali’i  feels for Ms Tupou and her children after they were served with trespass orders from their  local swimming pool in new market. With no warning or explanation from the pool staff Police ordered...
    Mana | 20-07
  • MANA Movement policy release – Economic Justice – John Minto
    Address notes from Mana Economic Justice Spokesperson and co-vice President John Minto to Economic policy launch in Kelston – 2pm, Sunday 20 July 2014. Reducing inequality and giving everyone a fair go MANA Movement’s policy prescription for a rich man’s...
    Mana | 20-07
  • One-sided reporting on the Middle East Conflict
    The following was sent to New Zealand Herald, Fairfax Media, Radio New Zealand, Television New Zealand, TV3, Radio Live and ZB Network. We are writing to all of you because there are well established patterns of reporting which seem to have been adopted by New Zealand...
    Mana | 20-07
  • New President for MANA Movement
    Lisa McNab, MANA President, and Annette Sykes, outgoing MANA President and candidate for Waiariki Lisa McNab was officially passed the mantle of MANA President in a special ceremony at Potahi Marae in Te Kao this week, following her unanimous election into the...
    Mana | 20-07
  • Te Reo Māori a doorway to opportunity
    A Labour Government will ensure more of our children have the opportunity to learn te reo Māori by encouraging the learning and use of it in schools, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says....
    Labour | 19-07
  • Work numbers not all they’re cracked up to be
    The Government's figures on the numbers of beneficiaries don't add up, Labour's Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says."Paula Bennett keeps saying 1500 people are going off the benefit into work every week, yet today she announced just 16,000 fewer people...
    Labour | 18-07
  • Flood relief for National voters first
    “The flooding in Tai Tokerau has hammered the north and impacted hundreds of families right across the region,” said MANA Leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “It’s bitterly disappointing to see that the first response from this National government...
    Mana | 18-07
  • Don’t contract out your loyal cleaners SkyCity3
    SkyCity should put aside its proposal to contract out its cleaning staff and not be lured by the prospect of washing their hands of these essential jobs and leaving them to the world of third party contracting, Labour’s Associate Labour...
    Labour | 18-07
  • Green Party statement on tragedy of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17
    The Green Party conveys its condolences to the families of the victims of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.The Ukrainian Government has accused pro-Russia rebels in the east of the Ukraine of shooting down the Malaysia Airlines jet with a ground-to-air missile,...
    Greens | 18-07
  • Gaza ground offensive can only result in more deaths
    Israel’s decision to continue with a ground offensive into Gaza can only result in more civilian deaths and push a ceasefire further beyond reach, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “There is no such thing as a surgical strike...
    Labour | 18-07
  • Tackling childhood obesity is not rocket science Minister, but it is scienc...
    The Government's latest snub of scientific evidence - this time about its failure to address childhood obesity - is another example of National's reliance on 'tobacco science' to justify its denial agenda, the Green Party said today. An Auckland University...
    Greens | 18-07
  • Paying patients to go away not a solution
    A voucher system being used by emergency departments in Southern DHB - which pays patients to see a GP – is designed to skew figures to meet Government targets, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson and Dunedin North MP David Clark says....
    Labour | 18-07
  • Common sense a better response
    The actions of two police officers who walked into a marae's wharenui in the early hours of the morning to search and photograph a group of children in their pyjamas are deeply concerning, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says....
    Labour | 18-07
  • Taxpayer cash to plug Chorus copper hole
    The Chief Executive and Board of Chorus must be held accountable for striking a deal that uses taxpayer money that was intended to build a new fibre network to instead plug the company’s revenue gaps, says Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare...
    Labour | 18-07