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Written By: - Date published: 4:24 pm, February 14th, 2014 - 269 comments
Categories: john key, national, same old national - Tags: ,

Stuff has an astounding interview with John Key where he reveals he has regular catch-ups with Cameron Slater.

We’ve always known that there were close ties between National and the abomination that is Whaleoil but now we know that the ties go right to the top.

As Danyl recently pointed out Slater has a history of filth that goes as far as mocking the deaths of Kiwi kids. Now we know that’s who the Prime Minister gets information and advice from.
What a rotten bunch.

269 comments on “Rotten”

  1. fender 1

    “What a rotten bunch”

    +1

  2. stever 2

    They are the Hollowmen.

    And is it a two-way conduit for information? Let’s the see the evidence that it is not…because why would the Whale bother otherwise?

    Or perhaps “talking to the PM” gets him off enough??

    Man, this is nasty stuff.

  3. In fact, let’s quote Danyl’s post:

    “To me this material marks Slater out as an obvious sociopath, someone so horribly damaged that all you can do is pity them and ignore them. Right? So I find it a little weird that so many other people read Slater’s site and don’t have a problem with how deranged it is. The Justice Minister Judith Collins is a huge fan; the Prime Minister’s office supply him with content. He’s a regular guest on various talk-back radio shows. Duncan Garner and Sean Plunket appear to be WhaleOil fans. The Herald’s media columnist John Drinnan routinely links to his site.”

    and add to its roll of dishonour “Prime Minister John Key has regular catch-ups with him.”

    • weka 3.1

      Thanks, that’s a good link. What Slater actually does needs to be made visible to mainstream NZ, so they can see who their Prime Minister is mates with.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 3.2

      +1 PM.

      I don’t read WO – perhaps one visit per year to check if people are telling the truth about some vileness. I get my impression of it second-hand.

      Now – via Danyl – I know he has made a habit of this ghoulish mockery, it reinforces my first thought on reading Key’s admission. Poison is king.

      This is foul.

      • Reid 3.2.1

        Funnily enough that’s exactly what I do with The Stranded – one visit per year to check if people are telling the truth about some vileness.

        Normally my prediction comes true and it turns out they’re just confused and bewildered.

        Well, that’s it for another year.

        • stever 3.2.1.1

          Bye bye then.

          Don’t trip over your smugness on the way out.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 3.2.1.2

          Ouch :twisted:

          Open wide, Reid; here comes the drill.

        • xtasy 3.2.1.3

          “Reid” between the lines, it says: “Farrar”, “Kiwiblog”, “Farrar”, “Kiwiblog”, “Farrar”, “Kiwiblog”, “Far*ar(se)”, “Kiwiflog”.

          Yep, a preconditioned mindset will let the truth look like lies, brainwashing works, indeed!

        • mickysavage 3.2.1.4

          Reid at least on the Standard we have discussions and exchange ideas. I mean I read Slater’s stuff to see who he is sliming and who is leaking to him but really? Comparing the robust discussion at the Standard with the slime of Slater’s blog??

          • Jimmie 3.2.1.4.1

            Seriously?

            Have you never read a thread on here when someone of a mildly right wing persuasion makes a comment (not a flame troll or whatever) but an articulate and reasoned point of view about what ever the subject is.

            The number of left wing comments where the commentator is mocked, laughed, insulted, and ridiculed is quite astounding. (Note that rarely are their comments criticized by a reasoned or thoughtful manner, but personal abuse is quite rampant here)

            This has caused a situation where the only group of folk left here are the rabid left.

            It is no wonder that the standard is stuck in a rut and going no where numbers wise as the commentariat have decided that dissenting opinions are not to be tolerated.

            • mickysavage 3.2.1.4.1.1

              OK Jimmie

              Provide an example and then let the debate begin.

              And BTW the Standard is doing fine thank you very much.

              • SHG (not Colonial Viper)

                Two examples from my own recent experience:

                When I commented that Parekura Horomia appeared to have eaten himself to death on the taxpayer’s tab and referred to the food component of his Ministerial expense reports, I was instantly described as “a lying disrespectful son of a bitch”, in spite of the fact that I had posted all the expense claims for comment.

                When I pointed out just last week that the current immigration-law imbalance between NZ and Australia is a state of affairs approved by a Labour Government, I was called “an advert for post-natal abortion”. At one point I posted some immigration numbers (for humour value: I didn’t say the numbers were from a paper by Phil Goff) and I was called “stupid and deceitful” displaying “gutter-level partisan hypocrisy”.

                This place is just as vicious as Whaleoil.co.nz. But more sanctimonious.

                [lprent: You lose thread context on the RSS feed, but I'd say that the numbers of straight insults/abuse is several orders of magnitude higher at WhaleOil. We actually have a restriction in that that abuse has to be pointed - ie has to explain why they are abusing you. That is definitely not the case at Whaleoil. Justy have a look whenever any "leftie" comments there.

                But the standard specified in the policy is that we're after "robust" debate and discussion. That does not mean that people have to be polite. In fact it was specifically put into the policy because most of the "left" forums around when we started this site sounded more like petite middle class dinner parties than actual political discussions. Of course it doesn't leave you defenseless. You always have the option of robust comments yourself. Just be wary of risks with the fine line with authors on their own posts.

                Of course if you don't like the rules, then there is always the option stated in the bottom of the about. ]

                • McFlock

                  When I commented that Parekura Horomia appeared to have eaten himself to death on the taxpayer’s tab and referred to the food component of his Ministerial expense reports, I was instantly described as “a lying disrespectful son of a bitch”, in spite of the fact that I had posted all the expense claims for comment.

                  Ah, here.
                  No, not “immediately”. After some period where you basically shat all over the post announcing the death of the man. The criticism (and your ban) was valid.

                  As for the immigration one, you blamed Lab5 for the actions of the howard govt, and praised key for “concessions” that were negotiated under lab5, then argued that labour didn’t crack down on immigration because PI immigrants vote labour… well, did you really expect a polite response?

                  • SHG (not Colonial Viper)

                    No, on The Standard I never expect politeness, which is why the ad hominem attacks never ruffle me. If one voluntarily enters a room full of autistic children one doesn’t get to complain about the social skills on display. Being called a son of a bitch or an advertisement for abortion is exactly the level of discourse I expect at The Standard, and it never fails to disappoint.

                    • McFlock

                      And do you regard your initial comments about Horomia as being “polite”?

                      Seems to me that you created a self-fulfilling prophecy.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      While you’re casually re-writing history, it’s “post-natal abortion”. If you’re going to whine like a victim of a preventable infectious disease you could at least get it right.

                    • SHG (not Colonial Viper)

                      LOL IT’S OK GUYS IT’S JUST DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE HERE

                    • McFlock

                      Awww, another complaint about hurt feelings?

                      So, did you go to the tangi and complain that he ate himself to death at the taxpayers’ expense? Do you think you’d have had a polite reception there if you had?

        • mike 3.2.1.5

          I think it is fantastic that Winnie’s stupid accusations about “GCSB” spying on him were shot out of the sky. Why does Winston First think he is so important anyway? Oh that’s right, his own bloated, self-inflated sense of self importance drove him to think that the spy agencies would be interested in his moronic, self-serving inane utterances.

          regarding WO, I find it a refreshing breath of truth and directness that is so missing from the shallow, venal mass media.

          • mickysavage 3.2.1.5.1

            So Cameron has the ability to know how many times in a two year period Winston visited somewhere?

            Really?

  4. Rich 4

    I wonder if information from GCSB/NZSIS/Police gets laundered through Slater – wouldn’t be hard for someone in one of those (or in the US Embassy) to feed him anything they find that’s of relevance. It’s happened before.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1

      That occurred to me too. “If the prime minister said that’s the case, that’s the case.”

    • Roflcopter 4.2

      That’s awesome… I hope you stroke that line for all it’s worth… it’s gold!

    • Mary 4.3

      Most of the things that appear on Slater’s site, apart from the links to stupid youtube videos, are way beyond his intellect. He’s been fed totally manufactured and wholly complete pieces of horse shit from others for very long time, now. That’s obvious, and of course it’s always been likely that those who do this have at least strong links with the National Party and other right-wing thugs. The significance of Key’s admission today is that it confirms what we’ve suspected has been happening all along. If Key and Slater talk regularly is it possible that Key’s people and Slater don’t talk regularly?

      • Mary 4.3.1

        Or then again, is it just a smokescreen to divert attention away from Key getting the information from the spies, and that the truth is that he’s passed this information on to Slater? Where did Slater get it from? Rachel Glucina? Pete Glucina? The spies via Key?

        • weka 4.3.1.1

          One of the links put up today suggested that Key ‘slipped’ when he inferred contact with Slater. Anyone else pick that up?

          • One Anonymous Bloke 4.3.1.1.1

            Oh it’s a massive slip up. I phone people who mock dead babies regularly, don’t you, Weka? Sure, it might be a shell game, yada yada, but John Key, Prime Minister, maintains regular contact with a man who mocks dead babies for money, and that, my friend, is an opportunity.

            • Stephanie Rodgers 4.3.1.1.1.1

              What I find fascinating is that from what Key says, this is a personal interaction. It’s not that he has someone from his office keep an eye on WhaleOil, or gets a press secretary to meet regularly with Slater. He literally has regular conversations HIMSELF with Slater. That’s a massive level of access for a blogger who generally posts vileness and clickbait.

              • Mike S

                “That’s a massive level of access for a blogger who generally posts vileness and clickbait.”

                I would guess that from Key’s perspective, the only important thing is how popular is slater’s blog in terms of voters. Isn’t it the most visited NZ blog? There is some really nasty, racist, mean and sometimes even scary shit posted on his pages by his fans.

                • Rich

                  It’s pretty debatable that many of those clicks on Slater’s site are real. The going rate for click farms is about 1000 clicks a USD, so $8k* would buy 8 million of those phoney page impressions. Way cheaper than paying for a table at a National party dinner.

                  *The fine Slater’s backers were happy to cough up when he posted the names of child abuse victims.

          • karol 4.3.1.1.2

            It’s in the video, and the print text, with the Stuff article. A journo asked Key directly about Slater.

            • weka 4.3.1.1.2.1

              Thanks karol, this one I think

              http://www.stuff.co.nz/lightbox/national/politics/9723185/PMs-Whaleoil-friends?KeepThis=true

              I’m not sure how much I place on body language, but when Key says he absolutely swears his life that there’s been no public agency involved, he’s shaking his head. He does that alot right through. Is that a normal characteristic of his.

              Nice to see him squirming though, and good on the journos for actually asking the pertinent questions.

              • geoff

                That video is gold!
                He gets that semi-drunk, ‘I’ve been caught out’, stupid glazed smile and you can tell he’s thinking ‘oh crap what have I done?!?!?’

                Key said he speaks to “heaps” of bloggers. Which ones??
                I’d say he speaks to about 2 of them.

              • Murray Olsen

                Key’s body language is not that of an honest person. I suspect there is a good reason for that.

                • SpaceMonkey

                  Aside of from the stupid grin and dismissive demeanour, another of John Key’s tells that he’s lying through his teeth is the sharp intake of breath at the end of the sentence.

      • mike 4.3.2

        Its interesting to get the general view of my politically diverse mates that WO is refreshing and bluntly direct. Makes a nice change from all the gutless, whining bucket of warm wallpaper paste that passes for “news” in the mass media these days.

        • mickysavage 4.3.2.1

          “general view of my politically diverse mates”

          So male dominated and you think that they will provide a representative view. Really?

  5. Ben 5

    It is gutter politics. It is amazing how in spite of all this dirty work, Key is still quite popular according to the polls. Strange!

  6. Pascal's bookie 6

    And take a wee squizz at the press conf, where Key is being asked how Whaleoil got an OIA request from the SIS dealt with so efficiently and well suited to his purpose, from about 3:30 on

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouf5aR-8lzE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  7. JustLikeTigerWoods 7

    Whilst you’re making yourself look even more foolish by shooting the messenger, be sure not to forget the heart of the issue.

    Winston and Russel visiting his dot.com-ness.

    What was discussed? What was arranged? Why the need for a non-disclosure agreement?

    Time for some transparency, chaps. In the public interest…

    • stever 7.1

      I hope you asked the same questions after the “cup of tea” episode. Especially as the police decided to prosecute someone who might have helped in the transparency you now so crave :)

      • JustLikeTigerWoods 7.1.1

        The difference is pretty obvious. We know exactly why Key and Banks were there.

        Meanwhile, I guess it’s just a total coincidence that Norman has waded into extradition matters, and that both have asked numerous questions about the GCSB as it relates to KDC.

        Nothing to see here, I guess. Just like Brash innocently meeting the Exclusive Bretheren. Just a friendly chat. Many people on here saw nothing in that either, of course.

        All very innocent.

        • Pascal's bookie 7.1.1.1

          So you’re saying National obviously agrees with the Exclusive Brethren about stuff then, rightio. That they have longstanding well known set of beliefs that would make it obvious why they’d be talking to the EBs.

      • Paw prick 7.1.2

        Didn’t have too as it was illegally recorded …….oh the irony

    • Pascal's bookie 7.2

      laugh.

      What do Key and Whale regularly discuss? In the public interest.

      Key now looks to be Whale’s main ‘tipline is running hot’ source for all the dirt he spills. The PM, on our dime, uses a guy who’s currently facing defamation proceedings, and has previously breached court orders, to dish dirt on his political opponents.

      • SpaceMonkey 7.2.1

        Doesn’t surprise me… being a bankster, Key will find common ground with a blogster like Slater. Filth rolls with filth.

    • weka 7.3

      Pay attention Tiger. Norman’s transparency:

      Thirdly, did I discuss [with Dotcom] blocking extradition if we were in government? No. I discussed some of the issues around his multitude of court cases but not the government’s role in the extradition process. I wasn’t even aware of the role of the Minister of Justice until recently, and anyway, my opposition to the Govt approach to Dotcom has been well known for many months. I did urge him not to proceed with his party, but he carried on regardless! The Greens already lead on issues like the internet economy, digital freedom and privacy; the risk is that the Internet party could actually help National get re-elected by wasting votes. But don’t expect any of these facts to get in the way of a national Party smear campaign.

      Full text needs FB login https://www.facebook.com/dave.kennedy.1610/posts/10203049641582800#_=_

      • Bob 7.3.1

        “I did urge him not to proceed with his party, but he carried on regardless!”
        And yet all of a sudden Dotcom is going to drop his party if he isn’t polling at the 5% threshold ahead of the election……what did Russell Norman offer for him to agree to this? Is this the reason for the sudden renewal of interest in his case and now a proclamation that both Labour and the Greens will help to fight the extradition if voted into power?
        Imagine if National or specifically John Key was involved in this situation!
        These back room dealings have done no-one on the left any favours, despite the obvious attempts at deflections, like this post. NEWSFLASH – The leader of NZ’s largest right wing party has had discussions with NZ’s largest right wing blogger…….wow, what a scoop that is!
        Hasn’t David Cunliffe had guest posts on The Standard before? It’s an outrage!!!

        • Pascal's bookie 7.3.1.1

          “And yet all of a sudden Dotcom is going to drop his party if he isn’t polling at the 5% threshold ahead of the election”

          Shocking, that a German would understand how MMP works. Politicians pulling out of a race and endorsing another candidate is hardly an inexplicable thing.

          Likewise, the Greens have been all over the Governments failings in due process towards Mr dotCom since the story broke.

          Do you think Norman would have answered the question any differently if the Internet Party had never been dreamed up?

          There’s no real there there, in this ‘deal theory’. It all comes down to ‘Oh it looks bad, if you assume it is bad’. But the theory doesn’t actually explain why people are doing things. Both people are doing what you could reasonably expect without there being a deal, or even without the other side of the alleged deal even being an issue.

          ie:

          If there was no Internet party, would the Greens be quite likely to look more favourably on declining to extradite DotCom than National? Yes. So there is no need for a deal to explain this side of it

          Would DotCom be likely to pull out of a race if it became obvious that by staying in the race it would be counterproductive? Yes. So again, there is no need for a deal to explain his behaviour.

          The deal theory, in short, explains nothing, and has no evidence to support it..

    • Hami Shearlie 7.4

      As private citizens who are not Dot.Com’s local MPs’ and who are not Government Ministers spending Government money, I wouldn’t have thought that what they discussed with Dot.Com is anyone’s business but theirs! Dot.Com is now a political party leader and it’s normal for party leaders to meet with each other from time to time, just like John Key meets with Act’s leader and Colin Craig!

  8. Disraeli Gladstone 8

    Danyl also tweeted:

    “I sometimes talk to the rats in the gutters but that doesn’t mean I endorse plague”.

    That sums up what I think on the matter.

    • weka 8.1

      Not sure who the rat in the gutter is in this case, but Key isn’t talking to Slater sometimes. He’s having regular weekly briefings with the guy.

      • stever 8.1.1

        Perhaps they share the gutter. Rats can be sweet, you know.

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 8.1.2

        +1 Weka

        Makes me view Disraeli as a shill – minimising and dismissing the matter – ‘nothing to see here, let’s move on now

        Pathetic that these people pander to interests that don’t serve any of us – including themselves.

        • weka 8.1.2.1

          Not sure about completely dismissing someone on the basis of one comment though bl :-)

        • Disraeli Gladstone 8.1.2.2

          Does that make Danyl a shill as well even though he was used in the post itself as an example of Whale’s vileness?

          It’s simple really.

          From what I’ve seen of his blog, Slater is not a nice person. He is cruel and vindictive. However, due to the media wanting to talk and play off him (for reasons unknown), he has become a player in the political world. He is quoted by actual journalist and can set a news agenda.

          John Key is a pragmatist. We’ve seen that since his first day as party leader, if not before. So it doesn’t surprise me that Key is holding his nose and is now talking directly to Slater (as well as others) to help shape news agenda and pick up on salacious bits of gossip.

          It’s not particularly nice. It’s not cricket, that’s for sure. There’s no fair play involved. But it’s also not Key endorsing Slater’s brand of hatefulness. He’s using him. And when he’s not hot property, he’ll be dropped that quick as possible.

          Boiled down to its roots: it’s good politics, bad humanity. And politics will trumps humanity until the wider public cares and let’s face it, most people don’t have a clue who Slater is.

          • Clemgeopin 8.1.2.2.1

            To me, MOST IMPORTANTLY, this is not the New Zealand way.

          • Pascal's bookie 8.1.2.2.2

            Slater isn’t talked to by the ninth floor because he gets newsworthy stuff. That’s bass akwards.

            Jason Ede wasn’t hired to work in the PMs office in spite of him previously blogging on WO.

            The PM isn’t holding his nose, ffs.

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 8.1.2.2.3

            @ Disraeli Gladstone

            However, due to the media wanting to talk and play off him (for reasons unknown), he has become a player in the political world. He is quoted by actual journalist and can set a news agenda

            Why are you painting such a neutral and innocent picture here?

            “For some unknown reason”?

            Slater is the son of a former National party president and he just ‘happens’ to gain political influence with his highly questionable blogsite.

            Oh really?

            Then Key ‘admits’ to speaking with the guy on a regular basis just when there are accusations about where Key got the information about Winston Peter’s activities from.

            And you really think there is nothing to see here?

            Key is creating a dishonest distraction to a pretty serious issue – that he is using our secret services for his own party’s political agenda while he is PM.

            And you (along with a large majority, no doubt) believe Key when he swears on his life that our secret services are not being abused in this way?

            Well you are a bigger and more naïve fool than I am.

            Put it this way is Key’s life ‘worth much’ if he were found to be abusing our system in such a way while PM?

            Pretty cheap to swear on such a life, is my view.

            “Boiled down to its roots: it’s good politics, bad humanity.”

            Boiled down to its roots good politics cannot be bad humanity.

            Is it that you are meaning to say that it is ‘good political strategy’ -dishonest and deceptive as it is – doing something (anything) that will effectively fool people into voting against their own interests and get National into power again?

            This above approach is not an authentic expression of democracy – it undermines sound democracy and therefore I very much disagree that it is ‘good politics’ – it is very bad form – and very bad ‘politics’ – and I don’t see any room for viewing this as good for our society in any way.

            Why are you apologising for and minimising the real issue of this recent announcement?

            Because it gets who you want into power?

            To hell with what is really good for the greatest number of people in the long run?

            ??

  9. Ad 9

    LPrent will be looking forward to his weekly chats with Prime Minister David Cunliffe.

    The gossip won’t be as good, but the collected Labour wisdom far greater.

    • lprent 9.1

      LPrent will be looking forward to his weekly chats with Prime Minister David Cunliffe.

      Highly unlikely. I’m too damn busy to waste time chattering with charming people. Besides I’d be worried that some of that political affability would disturb my carefully cultivated abrasive personality. Ask many Labour politicians over the last few decades and they’re confirm that I seldom deign to talk to them – even when I’m working with them. After all they’re neither programmers nor activists – the two groups I tend to like spending time with, and they aren’t family.

      With Key and Slater, well… The good thing about having two arseholes rubbing against each other and you can’t tell where the brown stains came from.

  10. blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 10

    Looks like Judge Blackie got it correct after all when he ruled Whale Oil as ‘not a news medium’ in that court-case – it is the Nat Party propaganda site – like so many people already suspected.

  11. bad12 11

    Slippery the Prime Minister tosses us all a bone in the form of Blubber boy from ‘wail-oil’ and laughs like a loon as we all fall all over each other snarling about the filth,

    Really tho??? when has the Liar occupying the 9th floor ever once told New Zealand the truth while extricating Himself from the latest bout of self induced ‘foot’n’mouth’ disease???,

    i would suggest that the latest uttering of an excuse from Slippery is simply number one hundred and something to be added to Blips long long list of the PM’s litany…

  12. chris73 12

    So not the GCSB then :)

    • stever 12.1

      No :)

      Far worse.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 12.2

      No, a man who mocks dead children for money.

      If you can’t see the problem for National here, that’s all good with me.

      • chris73 12.2.1

        I’m loving the impotent gnashing of teeth and howls of indignation when all everyone will remember is Norman selling out the Greens principles to KDC :)

        • karol 12.2.1.1

          Ah. But just think. Next time WO breaks a sleazy politically charged story, people will be asking if he got it from Key in one of their chats.

        • stever 12.2.1.2

          Hmmm..I think you need to read the accounts of the meeting..which do exist out in the open…unlike some tea parties we saw but were not allowed to hear :)

          • chris73 12.2.1.2.1

            As Kiwiblog puts it:

            [Also of interest are the two dates that Russel Norman flew (at taxpayer expense, like Winston) to meet Dotcom. He met Dotcom on the 1st and 29th of November 2013.

            On the very same day he met him on the 1st, he attacked the Police on Radio NZ over Dotcom’s case. Shouldn’t the leader of a party that believes in transparency have revealed “Oh by the way I just met with my buddy Kim this morning, and tried to persuade him not to set up his own political party, and instead endorse the Greens”

            And then again on the 29th, when he again met Dotcom, he was again in the media talking about his case – again with no mention of his meetings, and attempt to get Dotcom to endorse the Greens instead of set up his own party.]

            and of course the Greens loved talking about Sky City deals with no mention of the deals they were doing with KDC

        • One Anonymous Bloke 12.2.1.3

          Chris73 [citation needed]

          How is policy made in the Green party? How are the leaders chosen?
          How is policy made in the National Party? How is the leader chosen?

          Was it you who described this government as a “hypocracy”?

          • chris73 12.2.1.3.1

            How is policy made in the Green party? How are the leaders chosen?

            – Like the PM (and unlike Norman) I don’t have KDCs phone number (or do I and I just forgot?) so I can’t ask him

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 12.3

      @ Chris73

      Who is to say that John Key got the info from Slater?

      JK could have passed the info that he got from the GCSB to Slater.

      • chris73 12.3.1

        Really? You still think the GCSB is involved in this?

        • weka 12.3.1.1

          Where do you think Slater got the info from chris?

          • chris73 12.3.1.1.1

            I think (like most things) the simplest explanation is the most likely:

            A. so its either the PM of NZ set the GCSB to spy on Winston Peters or something similar

            B. one or more disgruntled ex-employees or people owed money by KDC have spoken to someone whos then passed it onto Slater (or something similar)

            Considering how often the tip line gets used I’d say its B

            • One Anonymous Bloke 12.3.1.1.1.1

              Who cares? John Key has confessed his part in the mockery of dead children. Metaphorically speaking, he is about to be very slowly ripped apart by dogs, and then vultures will pick his bones clean.

              Watch and learn, Chrissy.

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 12.3.1.1.1.2

              Um – B isn’t the simplest explanation though chris, it requires a backstory ‘one or more disgruntled ex-employees.

              whereas it is already known that GCSB spy on NZers – infact wasn’t that made legal just recently?

              I’m unclear why it is such a big issue that a political leader would talk to another political leader

              …whereas Mr Key talking on a regular basis with that sleazy website operator….well that smacks of Key interfering with news-like information… i.e. propaganda….that is a big issue – big news.

              • chris73

                “I’m unclear why it is such a big issue that a political leader would talk to another political leader”

                You don’t understand why Norman asking KDC to not run and then state he’d fight against his extradition is a big issue?

                Is it Norman (allegedly) asking for KDCs support and in return saying you’ll fight for him?

                Is it Norman being on the ISC which has been dealing with KDC and the GCSB all the while Normans (allegedly) doing deals with KDC?

                Is it the Greens being scathing about deals being done with rich businessmen then going off and (allegedly) doing a deal with…a rich businessmen

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  Nope, that is all nonsense.

                  I guess I am simply not afflicted with the right wing projection-cum-delusional-fantasies that you are.

                  Top marks for garbled fantasy there, though, c73 – I do believe you exceeded yourself.

                  • chris73

                    So what was nonsense then?

                    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                      The lot of it – sorry if I didn’t make myself clear.

                    • McFlock

                      fuckwit, can’t you read? All of it.

                    • chris73

                      Oh I understand, you don’t like how it sounds so you dismiss it and thats cool because whats said and posted on this site changes virtually nothing but what does matter is the view of the voters and in this case I think more people will agree with my sentiments (Norman screwed up big time) then yours

                      Of course we can only wait and see what happens at the next election to see whos right

                    • McFlock

                      the clue is when even a deranged propagandist like yourself needs to use the word “allegedly”. This demonstrates that someone with an already fractious and combative relationship with reality has lack of any hope of evidence of the muck they’re shoveling.

                    • chris73

                      Well no McFlock the reason I used it was I know that if I didn’t use the phrase “allegedly” I’d get a two week holiday for besmirching Normans good name

                    • McFlock

                      Golly, so you’re actually learning how to avoid outright defaming people you don’t like.
                      Good for you.

                    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                      “Oh I understand, you don’t like how it sounds so you dismiss it and thats cool because whats said and posted on this site changes virtually nothing but what does matter is the view of the voters and in this case I think more people will agree with my sentiments (Norman screwed up big time) then yours” – Chris73

                      No, apparently you don’t understand –

                      Despite sounding like a small pig when it has been picked up; this is not why I dismiss it.

                      I dismiss it because it sounds like rubbish – the type of exaggerated, frothing at the mouth, nonsense, made up by some bored jonolist-cum-spin doctor (I do apologize but I’m having difficulty telling the difference between them these days)

                      Of course we can only wait and see what happens at the next election to see whos right

                      We already know whose ‘right’ and an election doesn’t decide between ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ , you noddy, so there you go, wrong again.

                • Murray Olsen

                  “You don’t understand why Norman asking KDC to not run and then state he’d fight against his extradition is a big issue?”

                  Any honest Kiwi politician who lubes themselves up for Washington and refuses to fight against KDC’s extradition is a big issue. It’s called national sovereignty, and despite having kidnapped half the name, NAct have no idea what it means.

                  • Paw prick

                    Sigh.
                    NZ has a extradition treaty with the US

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Which does not allow authoritarian behaviour and arbitrary rule of law, one hopes.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      We also have laws governing the use of the GCSB.

                      We have a PM who was conveniently watching his kid play rounders in the US when the GCSB got bIll English ot signa warrant in an attempt to cover up the fact they had been breaking those laws.

                      English, the PMs chief of staff, and the GCSB all ‘forgot’ to tell the PM that this once in a decade warrant to hide the GCSB’s tracks had been signed.

                      Just one of several ‘coincidences’ that happened to keep the PM out of the loop in what turned out to be a highly political extradition, for actions that are not crimes in NZ.

                      So you can sigh your extradition treaty with the US, which you clearly don’t understand anyway, and toddle off back to laughing-at-dead-babies-land son.

                    • Murray Olsen

                      Thanks for proving my point, Mr. Prick. Now give me a case where we have extradited someone to the US and A on a civil matter.
                      Then tell me what “fruit of a poisonous tree” is.
                      Then show me the section of the extradition treaty that allows US agents to remove evidence from a Kiwi court without authorisation.

                      After that, you can sigh as much as you like.

                • framu

                  “nd then state he’d fight against his extradition is a big issue?”

                  thats just bullshit – the greens have pub;icly and unchangingly stated their position on the KDC case for ages

                  is time a tricky concept for you?

            • bad12 12.3.1.1.1.3

              Or (c), the SIS have had DotCom under surveillance all the time, knowing who goes to the Coatsville Mansion and knowing who DotCom meets when He is out and about,

              My pick is (c)…

              • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                +1 bad12

              • chris73

                Sure it wasn’t the GCSB?

                • McFlock

                  well, they do have a habit of illegally spying on new zealanders, so we’d best not rule it out completely yet…

                  • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                    I thought it had been made legal?

                    • chris73

                      Do you mean retrospectively changing the law? Can’t think of any party that would do that…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Glad you are taking the creation of a legal framework for a surveillance state so co-operatively.

                      Youll find it great when a Labour Govt gets to use those same powers.

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  How the heck are we supposed to know which one it is? They are secret services, remember?

                • bad12

                  Yep, pretty sure, the GCSB are more involved in the electronic stuff, you know monitoring internet contacts and cell phone conversations/txts,

                  If physical observation of a premises or a person are required the SIS do the slog, i don’t know the topography around DotComs place but i could probably pick out the likely location they watch His place from in 5 or 10 minutes with some accuracy if i got a look at the area surrounding the DotCom Mansion,

                  Slippery of course is telling half the truth about the info and ‘wail-oil’s’ Blubber boy, the phone call didn’t pass info from Blubber boy to Slippery, the reverse is the case…

                  • Anne

                    i don’t know the topography around DotComs place but i could probably pick out the likely location they watch His place from in 5 or 10 minutes with some accuracy if i got a look at the area surrounding the DotCom Mansion,

                    Don’t think they have to do that anymore Bad 12. They have highly sophisticated microwave equipment they can train on any site and sit and watch the comings and goings from a remote location. The GCSB are quite capable of such activity as is no doubt the SIS. The necessity to be ‘close’ to the site under surveillance has long gone.

                    • bad12

                      Anne, i have seen the microwave system you speak of being operated, it requires line of sight to be effective and those operating it to be dressd in protective clothing,(presumably from the micro-waves), the one time i seen such an operation in progress the protective gear being worn was hilariously snow white,

                      Perhaps these days, my view was some 10 years ago, the spooks have become a bit more sophisticated and wear orange gear to blend in with the myriad tele-comms crews that pop up irregularly,

                      When following DotCom when He is not at home such gear would be pretty much useless which is why i suggest that it is the less technical SIS that has the main role in the surveillance of DotCom…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And who says the govt services cant give people cancer. Several of the surveillance techniques revealed by Snowden involve irradiating target rooms or equipment with significant microwave and radio energy. Which has never been tested for health effects.

    • Puddleglum 12.4

      So not the GCSB then

      Hard to say.

      Slater has regular chats with John Key (Minister in charge of the GCSB) and, according to Slater:

      He described his relationship with Key as “professional … where I ask questions and he gives me answers“.

      Oddly, Key seemed to think that his regular chats involved him finding out what was on Slater’s site and what Slater was thinking about:

      Key said he regularly called Slater, who broke the story of the Len Brown affair, “to see what he’s got on his site and mind.”

      They don’t seem to communicate very well with each other – quite muddled views from them on what’s going on when they talk.

  13. Paul 13

    This is a disgraceful admission when a government leader admits his sources news from the sewer.

  14. Ron 14

    Whilst on subject of WO can anyone confirm that his recent problems with website that he made a big thing out of suggesting it was a DDOS attack was actually just himself messing up a change on his domain record and he forget about reducing his TTL on domain record way before he made the changes so the replication happened quickly
    In other words there was no DDOS attack just a snafu by Chief Blubber

    • lprent 14.1

      I’ve done that myself. But I didn’t have anything above a 3 hour (seldom have it above a small number of minutes these days to make for rapid fallbacks). I didn’t check the TTL.

      But it’d be unusual to change suppliers because of that. Unless they were changing anyway.

    • chris73 14.2

      I can confirm it wasn’t a snafu

      • andy (the other one) 14.2.1

        Do you have regular chit chats with Whaleoil?

      • Ron 14.2.2

        Elucidate? please

        • chris73 14.2.2.1

          The reason has been answered on his website

          • McFlock 14.2.2.1.1

            So your ability to “confirm” is based on a story from WO?

            Shit, that’s like taking Colin Craig and going too far the other way. The infantile panty-sniffing sleaze-merchant stalker said that he didn’t make a mistake, so it must be true. Good luck with that.

      • Tracey 14.2.3

        Being a parent doesnt mean you are a teacher. Knowing what a law means doesnt make you a lawyer.

        Can you post your evidence

  15. idlegus 15

    the nats are accusing the greens & labour of been paid to ask key questions, maybe key/nats have been paying whaleoil to publish articles…

    • chris73 15.1

      The difference is theres a time line of Norman visiting KDC and then stating they’d fight the extradition whereas theres still no proof of the Nats paying Whaleoil

      • North 15.1.1

        You’re still not happy about it though are you Chris…….in your heart of hearts…….you know, your idol…….slumming it ? With “feral”…….you’d rather it not be so what ?

        • chris73 15.1.1.1

          You could exactly the same thing about Norman making the pilgrimage to KDC, kowtowing to a millionaire businessmen, dealing all sorts of nudge-nudge wink-wink deals.

          The Greens are all sanctimonious about National doing deals like Sky City, the left love going on about the hollowmen, T. Mallard was banging on about american bagmen and yet Norman gets a whiff of power and all the goodwill the Greens have built up has been blown out

          The Greens are just like every other political party in NZ, they’d sell out in a second just to get into power

          • idlegus 15.1.1.1.1

            the difference is this has blown up in keys face, & proves the media is right wing, & basically anything you say chris73 has been proven again & again to be BS. (tv3/gower didnt run this story at all…they cant protect key forever)

            • chris73 15.1.1.1.1.1

              Really? The story was Norman doing a deal with KDC and thats still current then the story was JK using the GCSB to spy on Winston and thats been proven false and now the story is JK talks to bloggers?

              Wow the left must be desperate (well yes I know they’re always desperate) but if you think spraying and hoping is the way to go then you’re going to be dissapointed

              • idlegus

                emphasis on ‘story’, yep. no, im not hoping it will go away, key is in deep shit, talking to ‘blogsters’, lol!

              • Crunchtime

                The article doesn’t mention Russell Norman. It’s an interview with John Key. You’re obviously ok about making stuff up about Russell Norman, while accepting everything that Slater says as gospel. Making you a reliable source of truth. NAAAAHHT.

      • andy (the other one) 15.1.2

        Did you imagine that, like above?

  16. North 16

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9723130/Looks-like-Slater-is-Keys-Peters-source

    How ferally verily instructive…….scum slops up together. Great look for the mana of the office of prime minister what ?

    What a royal fuck up…….given SlaterPorn imploring Winston to tell the truth for “once in his life” (see article), can you see Winston ever going with a National Party led by ShonKey Python ? Damn…….this is getting more visceral than Toryana Torya re Helen.

    Hang on…….what about a National Party not led by ShonKey Python ?

    Who’s put a price on whose head here ?

    • Ron 16.1

      Winston for PM??!! he is really a Tory at heart

      Hang on…….what about a National Party not led by ShonKey Python ?

  17. Crunchtime 17

    Well well well, the cat’s out of the bag.

    Key confirms he slums it with offensive misogynist hateful muckraking assholes. What a surprise.

    • chris73 17.1

      Well well well, the cat’s out of the bag.

      Norman confirms hes willing to sell NZ out to someone convicted of computer fraud and data espionage, insider trading and embezzlement. What a surprise.

      Fixed it for you.

      • McFlock 17.1.1

        nah, see the first version was an accurate depiction of reality.

      • framu 17.1.2

        “Norman confirms ”

        confirms what exactly?!

        the bit you keep forgetting is your basing everything on a single accusation from an opponent who is neck deep in his own problems on the same issue

  18. the pigman 18

    Stuff is very good at burying its stories from even 24 hours ago…

    But didn’t Keyes say something yesterday along the lines of “the person I heard about the visits from couldn’t be said to be affiliated with the National party” or words to that effect?

    And it’s Cameron Slater… the son of the former National Party president, John Slater… ?

    Hmm.. where’s the hysterical, spit-taking laughter smiley when you need it?

  19. Sanctuary 19

    Now we know what Slater’s “tipline” is.

    • andy (the other one) 19.1

      Key also talked about bloggers plural. I am sure that Key/Eade/Whaleoil and Farrar talk daily.

      Farrar used to work in the Nats research unit…Seems he is still on the internal mailing list.

      • Pascal's bookie 19.1.1

        Lol. His office is in the same building as Nat hq.

        • andy (the other one) 19.1.1.1

          Jeabus..

          I have to say, Farrar is good. He uses the same bullshit as teh Herald. Bury the truth stuff below the fold. He always post a massively long screed when the nats are in trouble, banking on the fact that the drones will not read beyond his first paragraph of lies and innuendo. Then comment accordingly like a conga line of stupid.

  20. Polish Pride 20

    Wow! I see the Left vs Right political paradigm will remain alive and well for many decades to come due to a complete and utter failure of either side to bother to take the time to understand what it is that the other side actually want and why.
    Truly sad as it will simply mean neither side will get what it is that they really want for the foreseeable future.
    Whats sadder is that when you read some of the vile comments on here one begins to see quite clearly that on some level there isn’t a great deal of difference between posters on either site.

    • McFlock 20.1

      it’s okay, robots will save us. /sarc

      • Polish Pride 20.1.1

        Yeah McFlock I guess we could just keep doing things the exact same way we have for the last 100 years and expect a different result….. and you can continue to whinge and moan about all of the problems you see from the comfort of your keyboard because afterall if your not prepared to look at change then are you really anything more than a whinger and a moaner in the bigger scheme of things….?

        There’s plenty of guys just like you over on Whaleoil too.

        • McFlock 20.1.1.1

          I look at realistic change, not fantasy.

          Maybe in another few hundred years we’ll be close to your ideal – then we have to figure out how to satisfy the people who want something other than what your slide-rule says they should want. Because they’ll be the majority.

          • Polish Pride 20.1.1.1.1

            I think perhaps its you that’s not ready for that magnitude of change.
            You say you look at realistic change.. What? by commenting on a left wing blog and preaching to the converted!?
            You’re not about change.. You’re all about staying in your comfort zone.

            The stuff I and others like me are talking about can be proven to be the best system for every single individual and the planet itself using systems analysis. It also through the same theory disproves Capitalism.

            • McFlock 20.1.1.1.1.1

              … because commenting here is the only thing I do?

              That depth of analysis is exactly why you’re in a dreamworld, no better than morrissey or philU.

              • Morrissey

                That depth of analysis is exactly why you’re in a dreamworld, no better than morrissey or philU.

                Could you back up your statement that I am “in a dreamworld”?

                Thanks for that, my scholarly friend.

                • McFlock

                  I’m not your friend, guy.

                  Why would I bother either linking to arguments we had only three or four months ago, or repeating the exhaustive process of demonstrating that what you have said more recently is merely a dadaesque caricature of reality? You’ll only paper over it with extreme cognitive dissonance (yet again), probably as a method of avoiding the fact that you’re not the genius leader of the modern revolutionary zeitgeist.

                  • Professor Longhair

                    “Why would I bother either linking to arguments we had only three or four months ago?”

                    TRANSLATION: This chap is unable to argue his case.

                    • McFlock

                      which chap – me?

                      The point was that we’ve only just finished an extremely long argument to demonstrate to morrissey’s satisfaction that morrisseys “accurate” “transcripts” turned out to be neither accurate nor transcripts. Now he’s apparently forgotten all about that, so we’re expected to repeat the process from scratch? Or I should trawl through each of our comments until I find it, at which point we will still repeat the process?

                      I love a pointless argument as much as the next chap (possibly more than), but I prefer different ones rather than repeating the same one over and over again, weeks apart.

                  • Morrissey

                    This fellow’s attacks on me have been repeatedly exposed as spurious, dishonest, and driven by nothing more than politically motivated rancour. This all stems, I would remind readers, from my calling him on his craven support for the brutal campaign of lies aimed at, first, Julian Assange, then at Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden.

                    I am happy to post up any of the arse-kickings I have dealt out to him over the last few years, but readers who are interested in seeing someone out of his depth get a spanking (of the non-salacious variety) should peruse the most recent….
                    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-23012014/#comment-761727

                    Professor Longhair summed up our friend’s predicament nicely this morning: “This chap is unable to argue his case.”

                    • McFlock

                      “Arse kicking”?

                      That would be the one where you equated calling Snowden an “IT drone” with taking active part in a genocide.

                      You’re in a dreamworld.

                    • Morrissey

                      “Arse kicking”?
                      Humiliation, comeuppance, manhandling, rogering—call it what you will.

                      That would be the one where you equated calling Snowden an “IT drone” with taking active part in a genocide.
                      Not quite right. Again. As you know perfectly well, I placed his (and your) craven, credulous, unquestioning acceptance of the official lies peddled by the Washington/Whitehall axis on a continuum that, in another context, includes the obedient wielding of machetes against designated state “enemies”. Your affectation of outrage at that suggestion lacks credibility; I do not believe that either you or he would have resisted THAT particular government campaign if you had been a couple of obedient and self-deceiving Hutus liable to be killed if you resisted the calls, instead of a couple of obedient and self-deceiving Kiwis under no threat whatsoever.

                      You’re in a dreamworld.
                      I did not dream up your viciousness or your hypocrisy. They are on permanent record, much to your shame.

              • Polish Pride

                “… because commenting here is the only thing I do?”

                and the other things you do are…..?

                • McFlock

                  … in real life.

                  And no, I’m not going to print out my liberal curriculum vitae for you to judge. 1) it’s unique to me, and can therefore identify me; 2) you’ll just say I should sponsor more starving kids or something; a 3) I don’t actually have to justify my existence and my choices to you.

                  Funnily enough, #3 is pretty much what your system would demand I do on a daily basis: both announce and justify my resource uses for the “scientific” system to evaluate and grant or deny.

                  • Polish Pride

                    Not at all McFlock.
                    It would system designed to work for each and every individual. The whole premise behind it is that the goal is to have the system work for Man and to enable him to be happy.
                    An out their example to illustrate the point would be that if there is demand for super yachts, some would be built and put in the harbour for people to book and use.
                    The fact that you can see potential issues and interpret things differently I see as a very good thing because if nothing else you know what you don’t like in a system.
                    If you think more about the things that you do want then this should be fed into how a Resource Based Economy would take shape over time.
                    Afterall I don’t think anyone myself included would like to live in a system where you have to justify your existence in order to get resources. In fact I think it would be vitally important to ensure that this doesn’t happen.
                    This should be a system for the people supported by government and not a system for government to control the people as we have now.

                    • McFlock

                      Afterall I don’t think anyone myself included would like to live in a system where you have to justify your existence in order to get resources.

                      that’s not what I said. I said one would have to justify their request for resources.

                      basically, the problem of resource distribution is one of scarcity. People want more than is being produced, and possibly need more than is being produced. Let’s say there are communal superyachts that can be booked – sooner or later somebody will want a long booking to sail around the world. That booking needs to be balanced against the daytrippers. Who does that balancing? People. So you get at the very least the requirement for a large bureaucracy and planning office that is imbued with great power, and at the worst you get myriad opportunities for corruption. Or if machines do the balancing, you get a problem where the logical solution might not be the humane solution (medical care, for example). So it needs to be overruled by people, and you’re back to corruption.

                      And then you get fashion, where the desire is for off-plan goods, so the system produces those arbitrary things and because of that the goods are passe and the fashion moves to something else.

                      My preference is for a system that provides needs and rights and leaves the rest up to the people theselves to provide.

                    • Polish Pride

                      No justification for the majority of resources just by and large there isn’t now under the current system.
                      If you want enriched uranium or C4 then you’d probably have to justify your request for those resources.

                      Believe it or not I don’t actually think we are too far apart in our thinking.
                      Having the system designed to work for mankind and to serve people means that diversity and creativity is encouraged and the tools made readily available for this to happen.
                      This is certainly not about the system churning out one size fits all products or cars, TVs or whatever.
                      Imagine it more like trademe or amazon where you can order what you want but without having to pay. The premise would be to have very short planning lead times like under Capitalism but without the profit motive or planned obsolescence. You could have design portals or you could go to a designer, engineer or architect who could design what you want and have the system build it. Sustainability would be a key part of the process so design would change fundamentally for many products. New technology comes out for televisions…rather than getting rid of the old one and getting a whole new one you might just order certain inter-changeable parts that are designed to be easily swapped in and out.
                      Scarcity becomes less and less of an issue in fact you will get to the point where (and there will be exceptions) that through good design and encouraging innovation you get to the point where we find sustainable ways to produce nearly everything. At that point Resource Scarcity becomes a thing of the past.

                      The example you have come back with on the Superyacht example is great and is pretty much where I am now with many things. The question is that in knowing what we don’t want, what is the solution that eliminates these issues? That’s the sort of thing that needs to be figured out. But its a bigger discussion that should involve more people. In my experience there is always an acceptable solution to any problem, you just have to find it.

                      “My preference is for a system that provides needs and rights and leaves the rest up to the people themselves to provide.”
                      I agree with this and this is the point I’d want to transition to from where we are today.
                      I would see the system being developed/evolved overtime to serve Mankind more and more with the primary goal to enable man to be happy and over time find solutions that enable more and more to be free from having to work. I don’t expect this to happen in my lifetime but I do see it being possible to change direction so that we are on a path towards it.

                      A key premise behind this is that people should have the right to live their lives by and large how they want to provided they do no harm to others and are mindful of their impact on the environment.

                    • McFlock

                      On the one hand I’m seeing things like the star trek replicators, where you go “give me food” and it will instantly produce a meal. But then with the sustainability thing, you’re talking about folk swapping internal parts of tvs?

                      Frankly, if you can produce goods on an “as desired” basis, you don’t need sustainability. Maybe recycle bins for no longer wanted goods (i.e. you chuck your gen2 TV in one end of the replicator, it gets stripped into component bits, then outputs a gen3 TV), but that would be it.

                      But we’re very very far aways from that (3d printers are promising, but won’t be the elixir of eternal society for a time yet).

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 20.1.1.1.1.2

              …er…yeah… Polish Pride, if you really think that you have found the answer to all our problems I strongly recommend finding a way of communicating that more persuasively than “if you don’t agree with me or understand the obscure comments I make you are not ‘ready’ for the brilliant change that I herald”

              That really just sounds like a very egotistical, divisive and vile type of a comment that is going to put people off what you have to offer.

              • McFlock

                The funny thing is that I’m really a big fan of systems-oriented analysis and design. Can’t get enough of it. But one of the problems in recent history is when folks decide they can run society that way.

                • Polish Pride

                  Systems Analysis isn’t designed to run anything and shouldn’t be used to do so.
                  It is however designed to take any system, identify what is failing within it and why. It is then used to determine how the system should work. It is essentially for lack of a better explanation, a diagnostic tool.
                  The key though is to determine the purpose of the system and in this particular case, who the system is for.
                  In my view it is for everyone on the planet.
                  The goal…..happiness
                  The best thing I have found for this is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs (not the methodology behind but just the contents of his pyramid).
                  Compare Capitalism against this criteria and it becomes easy to see just how pathetically it performs for a large percentage of the worlds population.
                  I have had a lot of fun on Whale oil with this as it is impossible for R wingers to formulate a valid argument against

                  • McFlock

                    Capitalism doesn’t work (agreed), therefore … what?

                    Who runs the system, what acts as a means of exchange or resource measurement, and how is that data collected, collated, analyzed and distributed for further planning and production by the system?

              • Polish Pride

                fair enough. certainly not how I intended to come accross but can see how it would have been taken that way on re-reading it.
                thanks.

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  @ Polish Pride,

                  Thanks for such a decent response, PP. I am very pleased to see you and McFlock have gotten into a more constructive conversation. It is very interesting reading.

                  One thought re the left/right divide – From reading previous comments of yours, it may be that you view the difference between the two ‘sides’ as that of ‘to tax’ or ‘not to tax’ – however a major defining difference for me is not that at all – it is that the left tend to be more ‘people before profits’ focussed whereas the right appear to hold profits as the pivotal thing to aim for (with the belief that as profits rise people issues get addressed).

                  This difference in interpretation may trip you up – because if you put forward the idea that ‘both sides are wrong’ you may be objected to on the grounds that you are saying ‘people before profits’ is wrong – which, having read some of your comments here and elsewhere, does not appear to be what you are suggesting at all.

                  • Polish Pride

                    yes very interesting point. That is definitely not what I am trying to say. I am going further and saying that profit is an unnecessary construct in a system that is for mankind (and it can be proven through systems analysis. In fact the need for profit and money has reached a point where on a number of fronts it is holding society back. Profit can be shown to be the reason for much of the environmental destruction we have in the world along with War, Human trafficking and child pornography. It can be shown to be a big part of the reason that we have an obesity problem in the west while people in some third world countries barely have enough to eat.

                    The fact that you have put it that way is quite good. From spending a lot of time on WO I see a distinct difference between the R wing ideaology of profit before people which drives concepts such as the ‘trickle down effect’ and the right wing voters many of whom have worked hard to get to where they are and just want to pay as little tax as they can resulting in wanting smaller government and to move away from policy that encourages a section of society to become used to living off the state. It doesn’t matter whether their concerns are based in reality or not. It is their belief and as a result they will always vote for National who do pretty much believe in Profit before people. As a result those are the kinds of policies you get whenever National is in power.
                    The Left voters and the Left wing ideaology view of people before profit is pretty much the same message.
                    The problem for both sides is that there is an almost equally opposing amount of voters that will vote for policy that is in direct opposition to what they want.

                    At the risk of oversimplifying it, When Labour gets in and starts to implement policy that is people before profit, they do this using Taxation and redistribution of wealth. (Ignoring the fact that the Right do exactly the same using different mechanisms). This is of course the complete opposite to what the R wing voter wants. Eventually National are voted back in etc. etc.

                    So it is not that either side are wrong (well more accurately it just doesn’t matter) it is the fact that it is impossible for either side to achieve what they want to. At least not under the current system. This is because there is always an equal and opposing force voting against for a party who will implement policy that is the opposite of what they want.
                    Under a different system both can have what they are after. That is if they are prepared to start looking at things a little differently.

                    The thing is the best argument I have had against an RBE type system in 2-3 years of commenting on W/O is ‘show me a country where it is working’ says a lot in my view and makes it on that basis alone worth a closer look.

                    I would love to be proven wrong on my thoughts on this system (I would dearly love to be proven wrong) because at that point I could go back to just living my life and I’d could just ignore politics altogether.

          • Polish Pride 20.1.1.1.2

            then we have to figure out how to satisfy the people who want something other than what your slide-rule says they should want. Because they’ll be the majority.

            Thought I should address this point because its an important one.

            I have no slide rule. Based on the systems analysis the system should be designed to meet the needs and wants of the individual provided no harm is done to others and it is done in the most sustainable manner possible.
            Its about setting up the system to work for mankind rather than the other way around.

            • McFlock 20.1.1.1.2.1

              You really should watch this series: Pandora’s Box, A Fable From the Age of Science.

              Six episodes. From the youtube description “The episodes deal, in order, with communism in The Soviet Union, systems analysis and game theory during the Cold War, economy in the United Kingdom during the 1970s, the insecticide DDT, Kwame Nkrumah’s leadership in Ghana during the 1950s and 1960s and the history of nuclear power”.

              • Polish Pride

                You do know that RBE is a very very different system to Communism. But we are talking about overarching systems so there will be some similarities. There are arguably however more similarities in key areas between Capitalism and Communism than there are between Capitalism and RBE or Communism and RBE.
                Big Government is a good example of this.

                • McFlock

                  Well, actually there doesn’t seem to be that much difference in application, but that wasn’t the point anyway.

                  The point of the entire series was that overly scientific approaches to macro-level issues tend to regard that which cannot be calculated as irrelevant, and that then leads to major problems further down the line, and the end result might or might not be better than the previous situation. Couple that with the realities of people, and unforeseen failures are practically a certainty.

                  • Polish Pride

                    I will watch it (quite interested now)
                    But am interested in who you think the System we live under should be for and even just as importantly what the purpose of the system should be.
                    I have no doubt there will be a number of challenges and issues that arise but like with any system we need to find ways of dealing with them.
                    Although science, technology and automation will solve many problems, I am under no illusion that it will solve them all.

                    Perhaps the fact that I often use RBE as the system to describe what we should have is possibly a little misleading especially for someone who has a better handle than most on what that means (something I’ll keep in mind for the future).
                    I guess that to better illustrate what I am referring to It would be RBE designed to work for you and what you want in a sustainable manner. Anything you as a reasonable individual wouldn’t want to have in there simply shouldn’t be.

                    When you first start looking at this and look at where we are now, it will seem stupidly unrealistic. But as you start to think more about it and how you would like such a system to work for you (and others), it becomes a very clear (more so over time) that the path that we are on currently will not give us the outcomes we want and the reasons why that is.

                    • McFlock

                      The objectives of the system aren’t really in dispute by anyone, from neolibs to communists to folk in between to folk who think they are outside that continuum.

                      Maximise “good” (generally happiness, satisfaction, but can involve other ideals of mental and physical development), minimise “bad”.

                      What you consistently avoid is the detail of how you will achieve that objective. Communism followed “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. Capitalism trusts the market to sort out needs and desires. Both fail. How will your resource-based economy be different to communism, and how will it be administered, and how will it avoid the pitfalls of previous systems?

                    • Polish Pride

                      Well we might have had a somewhat rocky start to this conversation. But this is a question I have been putting out in various forms for a long time. You are the first person to give me an answer and a very good one at that so thanks.

                      I will think more about it but off the top of my head my initial thought on how it different to communism. It recognizes and serves the needs and wants of the individual as opposed to everything being geared to be for the good of the state. The state is largely their to ensure that those needs and wants of each individual are served. This is not as difficult as it sounds and by and large this diversity is met under Capitalism. But then because of the monetary system as you will know people profit from more insidious things, war, human trafficking, child pornography etc. etc. Add to that the number of people who don’t even have basic needs met…..
                      I think this focus on and building the system around the needs and wants of people (including catering for their diverse needs and wants is a big part of how it will avoid the pitfalls of both systems.
                      On the how it will be administered. This is where I am at now and what I am trying to work through. Unfortunately it is a much bigger discussion and actually needs input from guys like yourself who can get their head around different concepts very quickly. I can’t get past an ERP system on a massive scale (from my IT background).

                      From a governance point of view I see a robust constitution designed to protect peoples rights and enshrine the goals of the system in legislation.
                      I’d see this backed by a Senate type function and some form of direct democracy (but need to find a way to avoid mob rule). The Senate is in my head pretty much limited to ensuring any legislation adheres to the constitution and may go part way to dealing with the mob rule issue.

                      I can pretty much explain how I’d see any part of our current society working (eg. buying food from supermarkets with self serve checkouts and automatic reordering). But you don’t see what you don’t see just like your reply re super yachts. Its at that point that more minds wanting positive change would be good to solve some of these issues.
                      After all you can only build so many super yachts before the harbor is full. Then you are back to how do you deal with what is essentially a limited resource without reintroducing money and having a solution that is deemed acceptable by the people within the society.

                      One more thing – over time I do see the issue of resource scarcity becoming less and less as future generations become more comfortable with not having to own everything provided it is available to use as and when they need it.

                    • McFlock

                      It recognizes and serves the needs and wants of the individual as opposed to everything being geared to be for the good of the state.

                      That’s what the idea behind commun;sm was: from each according to their ability, to each according to their need. And right up until the end, the planners thought they were handling it.

                      Automated resupply and ordering goods is fine, but the test is not on whether the system can order things. The test is whether the system can supply things as needed, with a lower priority on as wanted. This especially applies to non-universal needs: aircon in warm areas vs down jackets for cold areas, for example.

                      It seems to me that a UBI, for example, would largely take care of the needed part, and the resource allocation would be distributed largely via the private sector rather than using a central system of ordering.

                      If the UBI and distributed planning is a valid iteration of your RBE, I suggest that rather than being a new paradigm your RBE (from a certain point of view) is simply the collective term for both centrally-planned (commun;sm) and distributed-planned (capitalist and anarchist) economies.

                      If the RBE needs to be centrally planned, I’m not sure there is much of a difference between your approach and the dreams of at least the first implementers of the big-C. Which then raises the question of how your plan will avoid the pitfalls that they fell into – power concentrated into the hands of the administrators and subsequently breeding corruption, as well as the lag between current needs and wants of each individual of the population and the ability of the system to fulfill them.

                    • Polish Pride

                      Thats where I probably need greater minds than mine….

                      “If the UBI and distributed planning is a valid iteration of your RBE, I suggest that rather than being a new paradigm your RBE (from a certain point of view) is simply the collective term for both centrally-planned (commun;sm) and distributed-planned (capitalist and anarchist) economies.”

                      I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head as yes UBI would be a valid iteration
                      When I have explained the thinking in the past, I have put it in the most simple way I could think of and explained it as follows:

                      Imagine the system we have now. Imagine your life as it is now. Then remove the money.
                      You still go to the supermarket for food, the gas station for petrol, and so on.

                      It sounds like a ridiculous oversimplification but their is probably some truth in that I am not talking about shifting everything under government.
                      I think that the transition should look to make the move as seamlessly as possible, not recreating existing services but transitioning key industries first with contracts for those who transition that enable things to resort back to the status quo should it fail.
                      example farmers given equipment to automate their farms,
                      Houses built for workers to run the farm
                      Farmer works six months on six months off. Worker Works six months on six months off.
                      If possible everything they want is supplied

                      To help enable this
                      I did envisage construction of manufacturing plants set up to be as automated as possible. Paid for by the companies using it where the selling point initially becomes the elimination of wages altogether. Add to this management and maintenance of the plant in exchange for free product produced from the plant.
                      The thing I find interesting about this is if implemented and up and running how do other countries compete against something that is free.
                      You would probably find that the other countries would be forced to follow suit.
                      Add 3D printing technology into the mix and invest heavily into advancing it and the switch becomes easier and easier.

                      Set up trade agreements with countries we want goods and services from but trade in resources. Our primary industry products in return for electronic goods for example.

                      Sorry am probably rambling a bit.
                      I do agree that UBI would take care of the need and be an easier transition

                      Even if you ignore everything I have said and put it in the maybe one day basket…..
                      The systems analysis can be used to prove Left wing theory and UBI (it also opens the door to the world I am talking about) and it should be used because it is pretty much irrefutable.
                      The only problem is that if it involves increased taxes there is a section of voters that will vote against it and we are back to being stuck in the L vs R paradigm.
                      If a long term plan was put up along side it showing a potential future without taxes where needs and wants are met without taxes, I think you’d also get buy in from many on the Right. But there is a lot that would need to be done before things could get to that point.

                    • McFlock

                      You genuinely think that the transition to a cashless, shortage-less society involves regression to a barter economy?

                      While there are shortages, you need a means of exchange. That’s money. As for asking companies to cooperate in their own demise – that ain’t gonna happen.

                      But the real problem is scarcity – your system works fine as long as there is no scarcity in needs or wants. When do you think that will happen? Timeframe. Because I think it’ll be centuries, if at all. And as soon as you have scarcity, you have people looking to get stuff at the expense of others.

                    • Polish Pride

                      “You genuinely think that the transition to a cashless, shortage-less society involves regression to a barter economy?”

                      We would certainly have that as an option as a means of dealing with countries still using Capitalism that we want products or raw materials from. Its either that or you retain a monetary system for these sorts of dealings and it may be simpler to do that. What ever option we need have something as we will be dealing with countries not ready for a gift economy and they certainly aren’t likely to give us the resources we want for free. I do think that barter to solve this particular problem gives us an opportunity to get more in return for our primary product than we’d get using a monetary system. Besides I reckon that if you have made the decision to transition then there will be much greater risk of your transition failing by retaining a monetary system.

                      “While there are shortages, you need a means of exchange. That’s money. As for asking companies to cooperate in their own demise – that ain’t gonna happen.”
                      But the real problem is scarcity – your system works fine as long as there is no scarcity in needs or wants. When do you think that will happen? Timeframe. Because I think it’ll be centuries, if at all. And as soon as you have scarcity, you have people looking to get stuff at the expense of others.

                      Thats the thing though, What true shortages are you faced with in this day and age. If anything as a society we have massive overproduction and massive waste. But I don’t think we have any true and genuine shortages anymore. If there was it might just mean having a different mechanism for dealing with that particular product (Library type system)… at least until any shortage is resolved.
                      I accept the part about companies but you are not going to lay it out like that for them. You are simply giving them a proposition thats too good to refuse.
                      They supply the raw materials and we will build the product using automated systems. No wages, No cost, No Tax.

                      Small and Medium Business owners would be even easier to transition with the right incentives..

                      As for when I think it will happen – when Gen Y become older and more interested in and active in politics. Thats when I think change will begin.
                      I do think UBI will come first though before then.

    • karol 20.2

      I think you will find the level of misogyny, homophobia, racism, bennie-bashing on the other site – the sleazy smears, etc, differs a lot from this site.

      There are right wingers I’d listen to well before the manipulations of WO.

  21. Brian 21

    Hard to be certain which of them is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  22. BM 22

    Good o’l whale oil, the way he gets all you lefties leaping up and down tsk tsk tsking,waggling your fingers and getting all pious really makes me laugh.

    It’s like a weasel in a hen house, keep up the good work.

    • Hayden 22.1

      Yeah, I know, it’s almost as if there’s something slightly distasteful about profiting from dead babies and sexual abuse victims.

      • BM 22.1.1

        Not that I’d really care if he was making coin of corpse felching.
        What are the incidents you’re referring to?

        • Hayden 22.1.1.1

          I don’t know about the first one as I don’t read that shit any more (although others apparently do) but for the second one he revealed the name of at least one sexual abuser, and by association his victim.

          • BM 22.1.1.1.1

            Is that the one to do with “The Comedian”.

            • McFlock 22.1.1.1.1.1

              If you already know of a specific case where WO outed a sexual abuse survivor, you don’t need further cases to validate the point.

              Especially in a public forum.

        • Psycho Milt 22.1.1.2

          Not that I’d really care if he was making coin of corpse felching.

          So, if I understand this correctly, in BM-world (not a pleasant-sounding place at all, now I think about it), corpse-felching = no problem, vaguely left-wing politics = moral turpitude. Explains a lot – thanks for sharing.

          • fender 22.1.1.2.1

            BM doesn’t give a shit, he’s too much like Slater to recognise the toxicity that offends any normal person. Having the PM confess to being so cosy with this scum will just be extra encouragement for the warped and toxic throwbacks.

            On the plus side there will be many people concerned that they voted for someone who is so up to his neck in sewerage. Key is mistaken if he thinks that the “most popular blog” is the most admired blog.

            • Ben 22.1.1.2.1.1

              I agree. Key has cunningly managed for 5 years through smiles, BS, bluster and spin, but now he seems to be getting rattled, slipping dramatically in his right wing sewerage slime and being found out slowly and steadily by the general voters.

              • fender

                That video is one of his better displays of the slippery, evasive “would have to check my files” bullshit efforts that confirms he thinks it’s all a game.

    • joe90 22.2

      Yup, good o’l oil, another scalp to add to his everything he touches turns to shit collection.

    • the pigman 22.3

      Laugh it up BM!

      Meanwhile I noticed a “wee shift” in the ipredict market following the revelation today with the probability of there being a National PM after the 2014 election dropping by 5%.

      Clearly your mates aren’t enjoying this filthy relationship being eviscerated in the media for all to see.

  23. Ben 23

    COMMENT OF THE DAY Re KEY and SLATER:

    Iprent : “The good thing about having two arseholes rubbing against each other and you can’t tell where the brown stains came from”

    • bad12 23.1

      It’s actually quite an insightful comment, which of the aresholes leaked the brown over whom first is really the question,

      Slippery the Prime Minister known through-out the land for being stolidly truthful and honest,(yes of course i am taking the piss), or the scum of the internet Blubber boy,

      i pick Slippery to have handed this particular rancid pile of stench to Blubber boy and a number of others to ‘leak’,

      It’s all part of National’s campaign of generating fear and loathing leading up to election 2014, part 1 of this being the Tolley attack on Metiria Turei which failed miserably after the truth of Mets real lifestyle was revealed,

      i also pick that the SIS didn’t tell Slippery directly who DotCom had contact with, when these things are set up a system of intermediaries is established so as to keep the likes of Slippery at arms length,

      my guess is that once armed with the info Slippery or one of the minions from the 9th floor have started the leak to various media and if Slippery is as cozy with Blubber boy as He claims then it would have been He who picked up the phone to tip the blogger of sewerage off…

  24. tricledrown 24

    Key consults with 2x convicted criminal.

  25. irascible 25

    One now asks “Can the dots be connected between Key, Slater, Palino and the Auckland Five in the quest to destroy Len Brown and the Auckland mayoralty?” or is this drawing a long bow in the quest to track the dirty trickery we have senn in NZ politics lately?

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 25.1

      Doesn’t seem like anything is too horrible to assume about this piece-of-shit sham of a government – they are an utter disgrace.

    • McFlock 25.2

      It is an interesting question – key talks with him frequently, there does seem to be a mutual exchange of political information, so what did the convicted slimebag tell the should-be-convicted slimebag about their slime-job?

    • Ben 25.3

      While your assumption is perfectly reasonable and highly likely to be correct, I think the idiot Brown destroyed himself and his reputation by wallowing in filth and filthy carry ons including compromising himself with the crooked corporates..

      • McFlock 25.3.1

        A bit like key’s damaged his reputation by being in cahoots with a sleaze-merchant.

        Even Act had the sense to not let Steve Crow be a member.

        • Ben 25.3.1.1

          I think ACT had an MP who was making money from a brothel. Remember that? She was a female MP. I know prostitution is legal. But still, yuk, for an MP and a political party!

          • McFlock 25.3.1.1.1

            lol nah, she just owned the building and was the model for the billboard (scary eyes…)

            • Ben 25.3.1.1.1.1

              Wonder what her name is,

              They also had other shady discredited characters as MPs, such as Prebble, Douglas, Brash, Garret, Huata and Banks!

          • Psycho Milt 25.3.1.1.2

            I think ACT had an MP who was making money from a brothel. Remember that? She was a female MP. I know prostitution is legal. But still, yuk, for an MP and a political party.

            “Yuk?” As in, “Yuk – what kind of respectable person would allow themselves to be associated with filthy, disgusting, pox-ridden whores?” There’s a ‘yuk’ factor in that alright, I’m just not feeling it for Calvert (well, not in this particular context at least).

            • Colonial Viper 25.3.1.1.2.1

              MPs probably shouldnt make an income from gun running or from prostitutes.

              • It’s no secret that I’m not feeling the love or sexy times for ACT or it’s MPs, but, to be fair, Calvert didn’t actually own the brothel She simply leased the premises to the business. And allowed her eyes to be used for the brothel’s advertising.

                But nothing else. (As far as I’m aware?!).

                I concur with ‘Viper – the corporate arms trade is immoral.

          • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 25.3.1.1.3

            I know prostitution is legal. But still, yuk

            Demonising sexworkers, yep we got ourselves a Colin Craig fan here

  26. mike 26

    yep,who cares if JK talks to a blogger sometimes. The story here is that Winston Last is a lying snake, and just sits around, making shit up like this great “GCSB” conspiracy. HAHAHAHA. Good one Winston, you fucking LOSER. MISSED THE MARK AGAIN! Go swill another sherry, you nasty drunk.

    • McFlock 26.1

      What lie has winston told this time?
      cite pls.

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 26.2

      Not at all the way I see things mike
      Sounds and looks like JK is under stress

      Who are you trying to kid?

    • fender 26.3

      “yep, who cares if JK talks to a blogger sometimes.”

      This isn’t just a blogger, this is one of the most despised creeps in the country!

    • Pascal's bookie 26.4

      “The story here is that Winston Last is a lying snake, and just sits around, making shit up like this great “GCSB” conspiracy. HAHAHAHA. Good one Winston, you fucking LOSER. MISSED THE MARK AGAIN! Go swill another sherry, you nasty drunk.”

      That’s pretty harsh language for John Key’s next great hope. Haven;t noticed Key saying he’s reconsidered being opem to dealing with Winston, but given the company Key keeps, I guess it’s not surprising. Can’t recall Winston making jokes about recently dead babies to get hits on a blog.

      • idlegus 26.4.1

        gower on thursday said the next govt was likely to be a nz first/nat govt, was bloody bizarre how he slipped that in.

    • Tracey 26.5

      The wo readers keep bringing up kdc convictions to show how despicable he is. They seem to be oblivious to slater’s

  27. North 27

    Happy Snappy Chappy Mike. You realise of course that at the very best for ShonKey Python, the “fucking LOSER” Winston Peters is the man who OWNS ShonKey Python’s prospects of getting a third term. Suck on that, you nasty punk.

  28. well I never 28

    Oh Mike, you are really embarrassing yourself now mate.

  29. middxkea 29

    Lets all remember Slater photoshopped Helen Clark on to pornographic images
    He also photoshopped a pornographic image on a young labour activist here.
    This was in the days when he and Farrar were as thick as thieves ,Kiwiblog was at it mysoginist worst. and Slaters blog was all guns and porn

    These are the bloggers that the MSM now use and quote.
    And now the PM is associated with.
    I am appalled

  30. jcuknz 30

    Just testing

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  • Herald vs Hosking-in-Herald on teabreaks
    The New Zealand Herald editorial today is distinctly unimpressed with the government’s decision to remove mandated tea breaks for workers: It is a pity that almost the first legislative act of the Government's new term is an act abolishing mandatory...
    Polity | 30-10
  • Forest Safety report first step in making our forests safe to work in
    Our forests are a very dangerous place to work. Between 2008 and 2013 there have been 32 fatalities and more than a thousand serious harm incidents in this industry. The Council of Trade Unions and First union have been doing...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • Ghost Dancing?
    Ghost Dancing circa 1890: With the buffalo effectively exterminated, the material basis for the Native American cultures of the Great Plains was destroyed. The Ghost Dance, it was believed, would reconstitute the basis for an independent indigenous existence. Has the...
    Bowalley Road | 30-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Way back in March, 2012,  I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18...
    Frankly Speaking | 30-10
  • WINZ: Bureaucratic Befuddlement and Confustication
    Yeah, I know. Confusticate isn’t a word, unless you’re quoting Urban Dictionary. Definition: This word is the coalescing of the English words “confuse” and “complicate”. It refers to anything of, or relating to the process of being both confused and...
    On the Left | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • Climate change and New Zealand cities
    Environmentalists sometimes have an uneasy relationship with cities. Because they concentrate a lot of people and economic activity in relatively small places, they also concentrate a lot of negative environmental effects. All that concrete, all that energy being consumed, the...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • Got a mystery? Just ask John!
    Tuesday, November 24, 2009John Key has learned the identity of the entertainer guilty of an indecency charge through the grapevine of people circumventing the suppression order....
    Pundit | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD....
    CTU | 30-10
  • Blocked
    It is safe to say before the election last month I was fairly prolific in the blogosphere as we headed to an election. Was it because there was a glimmer of hope for we on this side of the coin?...
    My Thinks | 30-10
  • Blend with the Bruntletts Group Ride
    While Vancourerites Chris and Melissa Bruntlett are here for their Auckland Conversation talk, Generation Zero, Frocks on Bikes and TransportBlog have organised a slow, family friendly ride around the city centre. The map is below. The ride is designed to be self-directed so...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • New research quantifies what’s causing sea level to rise
    There have been a number of studies that have come out recently on ocean warming and sea-level rise. Collectively, they are helping scientists coalesce around an emerging understanding of climate change and its impact on the Earth. Most recently, a...
    Skeptical Science | 30-10
  • Rawshark – Is she Maori or Pakeha?
    Cameron Slater blamed someone for being behind the hacking of his emails and passing them on to Nicky Hager. And then he named someone he thought was Rawshark. John Key says someone told him who Rawshark is but he ain’t telling. @B3nRaching3r is...
    Te Putatara | 30-10
  • Employment law: it’s toasted
    In an early episode of Mad Men, when the company’s going for the Lucky Strike account, sleazebag antihero Don Draper asks the client exactly how cigarettes are made. They talk through the process, mentioning the tobacco is toasted – and...
    On the Left | 30-10
  • Owners of the wind
    Thirty-odd years ago in the Kingdom of Denmark lived some brave people who disliked nuclear power and loved renewable energy. Determined to keep their country clean and safe, they began building their own wind turbines. Today, thanks to these passionate...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • TPPA Bulletin #58
    NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION 8 NOVEMBER 2014 Auckland, Hamilton, Raglan, Tauranga, Rotorua, Gisborne, New Plymouth, Napier, Palmerston North, Levin,Wellington, Nelson, Christchurch, Timaru, Dunedin,Invercargill. REGIONAL UPDATES Auckland (1:00 pm at Aotea Square): speakers include Robyn Malcolm (Actors Equity), Bunny McDiarmid (Greenpeace), Dayle Takitimu...
    NZ – Not for sale | 30-10
  • Seabed mining: drums in the deep
    Out on the Chatham Rise, the ridge jutting into the waters off Christchurch and extending out beyond the Chathams, Chatham Rock Phosphate has a mining permit and is now seeking EPA approval for its project to mine phosphate for fertiliser,...
    Pundit | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today.“Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so again...
    CTU | 30-10
  • Contact’s big solar buy-back drop bad news for Kiwis with solar
    The Green Party are calling for a law change to establish an independent umpire to set fair and reasonable buy-back rates after Contact Energy announced, from today, new small scale solar and wind generators will receive 50 percent less for...
    Greens | 01-11
  • John Key’s asset sales outed by his own Minister
    National needs to come clean about the motivations behind selling state houses after Paula Bennett's asset sale admission, said the Green Party today.On Saturday, Paula Bennett, the Minister for Social Housing admitted, in a televised interview, that the sale of...
    Greens | 01-11
  • James Shaw speaks on the four Bills formerly known as the Accounting Infras...
    The assurance industry is a critical component of our economic framework. The idea that there is a trusted independent watchdog of the public interest underpins investor confidence and ensures financial probity on behalf of our country's leading institutions. New Zealand...
    Greens | 31-10
  • ANZ needs to look after its workers after another super profit
    The ANZ bank needs to acknowledge the super profits it makes are coming at the expense of its workers, the Green Party said today.Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited (ANZ) 2014 full year results show a lift in performance...
    Greens | 31-10
  • James Shaw’s maiden speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • National’s “Auckland housing boom” a fizzer
    Falling Auckland consent numbers show the Government’s housing policy is going backwards contrary to wild claims by Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith that we are on the cusp of a massive construction boom, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Local job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Zero tolerance for forestry accidents a must
    The Government must adopt a zero tolerance approach to workplace accidents in the forestry sector to stop people being killed, Labour’s Forestry spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It is time for the Government and the forestry sector to put an end...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Return to less holidays on the cards?
    John Key needs to lay his cards on the table regarding the Government’s intentions around holiday pay and annual leave entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “A day after National pushed through laws that take away the legal...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Forest Safety report first step in making our forests safe to work in
    Our forests are a very dangerous place to work. Between 2008 and 2013 there have been 32 fatalities and more than a thousand serious harm incidents in this industry. The Council of Trade Unions and First union have been doing...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Catherine Delahunty Speaks on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill
    Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. He mihi nui ki te Whare Paremata. Welcome to the glorious 19th century, dressed up in the not-so-new flexibility-speak. At the final moment of this bill, let us drop the charade. The Government has a...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Ruataniwha Feds refuse to present a balanced view
    A bid to sell the Ruataniwha water project to Hawkes Bay farmers has turned in to an incredibly one sided affair, says Labours spokesperson on Water Meka Whaitiri.  “It’s being promoted as ‘Ruataniwha it’s now or never’ and it promises...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Worker’s rights dealt severe blow with Bill’s passing
    The passing of the Employment Relations Amendment Bill is another blow to workers' rights in New Zealand, the Green Party said today.This afternoon, National's Employment Relations Amendment Bill passed with the support of Act and United Future."This bill will force...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Barriers to reporting sex crimes must go
    Both the Government and police need to take action to ensure that, in future, sexual abuse victims know they will be taken seriously, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “The young women involved in the Roast Busters case, and...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    Greens | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Kevin Hague questions the Minister of Health on management of Katherine Ric...
    Is he satisfied that all conflicts of interest that arose by the head of Food and Grocery Council Katherine Rich being a member of the Health Promotion Agency were managed in accordance with the provisions of the Crown Entities Act...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Bennett parks numbers on social housing
    Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett admitted today that well over 1000 families have been subsidised through the accommodation supplement to stay in the Ranui campground, somewhere she has previously described as not the right place for children to be growing...
    Labour | 30-10
  • 50,000 sign petition against anti-worker law
    More than 50,000 Kiwis have signed Labour’s petition against the Government’s scrapping of tea break entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “That’s the equivalent of five people signing our petition every minute for a week. It shows the...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Address in Reply Debate – Dr Kennedy Graham on UN Security Council- 2...
    In the Speech from the Throne last week the Prime Minister identified the usual domestic goals for his Government. I counted 17. They are not my subject today. I wish instead to focus on matters beyond our shores. In the...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Key misled public over Jason Ede
    Information contained in a new chapter of the book Key: Portrait of a Prime Minister, that Jason Ede stopped working for the National Party on the night the book Dirty Politics was released, shows Mr Key and senior ministers hid...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Greenpeace report highlights better path for NZ agriculture
    A Greenpeace International report highlights a better way forward for New Zealand agriculture than the GE and chemical mutation technologies supported by Federated Farmers, and the National Government through its research funding packages, the Green Party said today. "This report...
    Greens | 29-10
  • BNZ post record profits while leaving savers vulnerable
    A small part of the $850 million record profit posted by the Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) today needs to be set aside to protect savers' deposits in the future, said Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman today.Dr Norman was...
    Greens | 29-10
  • RBNZ U-turn shows monetary settings were wrong
    The Reserve Bank's U-turn on interest rates today shows monetary policy settings were wrong and New Zealanders have suffered unnecessarily through the loss of jobs and having to pay higher interest rates, the Green Party said today.Reserve Bank Governor Graeme...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Ports must take responsibility for shameful death toll
    Port companies must step up and take responsibility for a shameful toll of seven deaths and 133 serious accidents in the past three years, Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway says. The frightening figures – released by the Rail, Maritime and Transport...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Please help me get my Feed the Kids Bill to Select Committee
    Last week I took over the Feed the Kids Bill that Hone Harawira had introduced to Parliament. If passed, my Bill will provide government-funded breakfast and lunch in all decile 1 and 2 schools. Hungry kids can’t learn and are...
    Greens | 29-10
  • TVNZ Outsourcing Pasifika and Maori Programmes
    I’ve always been a big fan of our state broadcaster and I’ve particularly liked their range of current events programmes. But after Friday’s announcement that TVNZ will be sacking up to 40 staff by contracting out the Pacific and Maori...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Labour urges iwi leaders to meet with National
    Labour’s Māori Caucus has called on iwi leaders and national Māori organisations to seek urgent meetings with the National Government to directly express their concerns about employment law changes which will harm Māori workers. In an open letter sent today...
    Labour | 29-10
  • ACC’s reputation needs fix, not glitz
    Restoring public trust and confidence in ACC will take a lot more than a new communications strategy or social media blitz, says Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “Under National, ACC has come to be perceived as insensitive, difficult to deal...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Lessons to be learned from police investigation
    The outcome of the so-called Roast Busters case should not put victims off reporting sexual crimes, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “This case has been mishandled from the start. Within days of police initially saying no charges had...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Anti-worker legislation is anti-Pacifica
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, will go down in history as being part of a Government that harmed his own people through anti-worker legislation, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “Pacific people are among...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Five-year tax holiday for overseas tax dodgers
    National has just gifted a five-year tax holiday for foreign companies dodging their tax payments, says Revenue spokesperson David Clark. “Todd McClay has pretended he is doing something about overseas companies dodging their tax duties by joining an international initiative...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Traffic Jam Tax must be given the red light
    Auckland Council’s proposed Traffic Jam Tax could cost some households thousands of dollars a year just to use roads they had already paid for with their taxes and must be rejected, says Labour’s transport and Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 29-10
  • National has chance to show leadership on limos
    The National Party has the opportunity to show leadership by transitioning our vehicle fleet towards renewable electricity when a new contract to supply Government limousines for VIPs goes to tender next month, the Green Party said today. "This is a...
    Greens | 29-10
  • The Māori Party can’t have it both ways over labour laws
    The Māori Party has to fess up over its voting record on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, says Labour’s Māori Caucus.  “It’s simply not good enough to oppose the bill at the same time  as they helped speed up its progress through...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Equal pay and the aged care sector
    Today the High Court upheld the historic ruling by the Employment Court that our Equal Pay Act could be used to consider work of equal value cases; the government has been telling the UN and ILO that it could for...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Court case perfect opportunity for Government to improve gender pay gap
    If the Government wants to halt New Zealand’s slump in international rankings on the gender pay gap it should act on the court finding that women deserve equal wages, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Sue Moroney says. “The World Economic Forum’s...
    Labour | 28-10
  • All Auckland transport options should be considered
    All options for meeting Auckland's transport needs should be considered, including reprioritising the transport budget away from wasteful spending on motorways, the Green Party said today.Auckland mayor Len Brown is today releasing a transport report by the Independent Advisory Board,...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Another report highlights Govt failure on child poverty
    An international report measuring the impact of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) on child poverty rates, showing children in New Zealand have done worse than children in other countries, is further proof the Government needs to urgently take additional steps...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • The Final Fifth: The Last Great Task for Progressive New Zealand.
    MOST OF NEW ZEALAND’S social problems are concentrated among those living at the margins of what is otherwise a relatively wealthy society. Recently released international data on child poverty has exposed an acutely stressed social strata encompassing roughly 20 percent...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Myth Busting Rape Boasters
    In just one week a case that galvanised a nation into discussing rape culture is now being reframed as mischievous teen hi-jinx. One year ago the Roast Busters case came to the attention of the media and the public. This...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Workers rights weakened by new laws – fightback needed
    The government’s changes to the employment laws are designed to weaken workers bargaining power – at both the individual and collective level.   30-day rule The old law required an employer with a collective agreement in place to employ new...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Simon Buckingham – Where are Labour Candidates on disability?
    For the few people who know me (hello Mum), I am proudly New Zealand’s first Autistic Spectrum Lawyer, as well as being the very bottom Candidate on the Labour Party List. (64 out of 64). Being honoured like this is...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Meanwhile…
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • David Parker event – the future of work, Sun 2 Nov
    Labour leadership candidate David Parker, an experienced lawyer and businessman as well as a former senior government cabinet minister in the Helen Clark Government, will join three prominent New Zealanders in a panel discussion on Sunday to address...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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