web analytics

Sky City deal – personal vote

Written By: - Date published: 11:52 am, July 10th, 2013 - 29 comments
Categories: business, class war, Ethics, national - Tags: , , ,

Multiple reports on Twitter that Key’s grubby Sky City Bill will be a conscience personal vote. If true, I’m surprised, given the fragile majority Key has on this issue.

Now I guess we get to see if any Nat MPs have a conscience:

Thousands more face gambling harm

Thousands more people could experience gambling harm as a result of concessions for SkyCity in exchange for a new convention centre, documents show.

The Government today released papers discussing the potential harm of the deal after unveiling the final details of the agreement with SkyCity on Saturday.

The casino operator will build a $402 million international convention centre in Auckland, in exchange for an extension of its Auckland casino licence out to 2048, 230 more pokie machines, 40 more gaming tables and new cashless gaming technology.
Currently in New Zealand, there are 2800 gaming machines and 200 gaming tables, with more than 1600 machines and more than 100 tables at SkyCity Auckland.

The concessions will increase nationwide pokie machine numbers by 8.2 percent, while table numbers will increase by 20 percent.
Discussing the potential harm of increased machine and table numbers in early 2011, the Department of Internal Affairs noted 2006/07 figures showing 87,000 adults experienced problems over the previous 12 months due to someone’s gambling. …

Only a fraction of those affected by problem gambling seek help, and the cost of intervention services is only a fraction of the harm costs, which range from poor parenting to crime, lost productivity, family issues and suicide.

Update: This post originally red “conscience vote” and has been updated to “personal vote” thanks to the wisdom of I/S at NRT.

29 comments on “Sky City deal – personal vote”

  1. John Key is being so true to National Party Philosophy , which is

    “we only care about business and if you are a worker you are only there to keep the country working and other than that we don’t give a rats arse about you”.

  2. I guess Labour party MP’s have one, well not when their is a rugby union test on.

  3. the central scutinizer 3

    who started this tweet gower or garner?

  4. Lanthanide 4

    A conscience vote for National MPs as to whether they want to keep their job after the next election, I guess.

  5. Veutoviper 5

    The Herald has just reported that the Speaker has now announced that it will be a conscience vote.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10896270

    And Stuff

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8901117/Conscience-vote-for-pokies

  6. muzza 6

    Given they uniformly voted down the – Depleted Uranium Bill, (Pita, where are you Pita) I would not be expecting them to vote against the Shy City deal!

  7. Bearded Git 7

    It sounds to me like some of the National MP’s have told Key they couldn’t vote for the casino deal. Key has had his hand forced-the dead sheep are finally showing some backbone. This is why Carter agreed to the conscience vote. Key’s mana among his caucus is sinking.

    • framu 7.1

      “Key’s mana among his caucus is sinking.”

      this is an interesting factor – key has always been there as a figure head to win votes – hes not the leader of the party, hes just the frontman. Throw in the different factions and things could get very interesting

  8. weka 8

    Just got this email from the GP


    I have just received confirmation from the Speaker of Parliament that tomorrow’s vote on the SkyCity legislation will be a conscience vote.

    I need you to take immediate action now to help get even just a handful of National MPs to vote with their conscience and against the SkyCity legislation.

    Call or email your local National Party MP right now and ask them to vote against gambling harm – http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/contact-these-people

    The Governments own advice is that this legislation will lead to an increase in relationship breakdowns, depression, suicide, reduced work productivity, bankruptcies, and gambling-related crime.

    It’s wrong for John Key to lock us into 35 years of this increased gambling harm.

    Ask your local National Party MP to vote with their conscience – http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/contact-these-people

    It’s up to each and every one of them to vote for the best interests of their communities – not SkyCity.

    MP support for this gambling deal is wafer thin. We have 24 hours to stop it!
    Metiria Turei
    Green Party Co-leader

  9. Wayne 9

    As if Metiria is going to influence any National MP’s. In fact her intervention is likely to dissuade any National MP from doing so!

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1

      Is that what your conscience tells you., Dr. Mapp?

    • weka 9.2

      It’s not Turei that does the influencing, it’s the people contacting NACT MPs, you know, the voters.

      • Wayne 9.2.1

        But Metiria insulting the PM is hardly going to help persuade any Nat MP, (or have them listen to a Green inspired campaign). For instance I heard her on radio yesterday saying “a grubby trader” (or words very similar to these), seemingly referring to the PM.

        It is not the way the Greens normally conduct themselves, but maybe the lure of power is blunting their sensibilities.

        • felix 9.2.1.1

          Where’s the insult, Wayne?

          You mean the bit where she says “John Key is wrong”?

          Fuck you’re a bunch of wimps.

          • Wayne 9.2.1.1.1

            Felix, it is obvious in my post that I was commenting on her radio interview yesterday. It was on Morning Report.

            And no, I do not generally hear MP’s talking about one another like that on radio. Generally there is an appropriate level of civil discourse, even when they strongly disagree. And the Greens are generally known for their reasonablness. It is actually part of their brand and part of their appeal.

            Civility may not be so common on the internet, but MP’s operate in public, so I expect an proper level of civility from them, and between them.

            Effective democracy depends on a proper level of respect, going both from the people and to the people. If it is lost it becomes all too easy to villify your opponents. Imprisoning them becomes the ultimate outcome if restraint is lost.

            Plenty such examples in developing democracies – right now in Eygpt. Not that I am suggesting that could happen here.

            • Pascal's bookie 9.2.1.1.1.1

              Good lord.

              Are you aware of how the National party refer to the Greens?

              They regularly compare them to some of the worst regimes in history, and you are heading to the fainting couch over ‘grubby trader’.

              I’m shaking my head sir, shaking my damn head indeed.

              EDIT: you might want to take a wee squizz at Campbell Live when in come online too Wayne, in light of our discussion the other day. Goes into exactly how odd it is that Key would be unaware of DotCom.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.2.1.1.1.2

              Sob, sob, the gentle susurrus of crocodile tears.

            • felix 9.2.1.1.1.3

              So what? John Key is a two-faced cunt and a proven liar. He deserves no respect whatsoever.

              If she called him anything less then she was too polite.

            • Te Reo Putake 9.2.1.1.1.4

              Devil Beast anyone? Imitating the act of slitting a throat in parliament? Hmmm, yep fine examples of a “proper level of civility”. Do go on, Wayne.

            • Draco T Bastard 9.2.1.1.1.5

              Imprisoning them becomes the ultimate outcome if restraint is lost.

              BS. Never going to happen in a democracy no matter how unruly the discussions become and the only reason why MPs would be getting imprisoned is because they’re criminals.

        • David H 9.2.1.2

          So she is just telling the truth. This is a Grubby little deal, done by a Grubby trader.

  10. aerobubble 10

    Joyce says its hard to quantify the additional harm
    from pokies, oh, he obviously has no business experience
    since raising the number of pokies is considerably
    quantifiable, and building a train station outside
    the SkyCity casino increases the catchment area of
    those pokies. Joyce misleads parliament by ignoring
    his government’s decision to build the train loop and
    not declaring the obvious increased harm that would
    have, which has not previously been recognized before.

  11. Rich the other 11

    Great idea,
    Allowing labour mps a choice is brilliant, they all know the sky city deal a good one , let’s see if they have the balls to vote for it.

    The logic against the sky city deal is bizarre.
    Problem gamblers have many hundreds of different locations around Auckland where they can loose their money.

    • Rich the other 11.1

      Proven , labour mps were given the chance to vote for project which is a very good deal , once again they weren’t up to it , no balls.

  12. Dan1 12

    I am not a Green party person but I have been so impressed with Turei’s forthrightness and genuineness. I am disappointed it is a personal vote rather than a conscience vote. Key can pull out his whip and keep his lemmings in line.

    • tc 12.1

      I thought it was more about why the F does akl need a brand new convention centre at all when its got idle facilities like viaduct events centre and asb centre at the espom showgrounds. Bringing in a wider perspective shows just how bent this deal is.

      How much are they getting tvnzs land for is also a good question and what legislated standards of service and facilities are being placed on sky to ensure the centre is viable to conferences and not just another cash cow for skycity to leverage more pokie useage from.

      • Molly 12.1.1

        I agree. Haven’t seen any credible justification for the convention centre – apart from “we want one”.

        Seems a bit pointless to create a large convention centre at the bottom of the world. End of any flight routes, (unless you count the Antarctic) Anyone heading this way can already stop off in Sydney, Melbourne etc for big casino/convention centres, and they probably will.

        Anyone not heading this way is…. not heading this way.

        Why do we hear so much about kiwi business innovation, and yet see so little of it shown when it comes to ideas like this?

        • Draco T Bastard 12.1.1.1

          Why do we hear so much about kiwi business innovation, and yet see so little of it shown when it comes to ideas like this?

          Because innovation isn’t done by RWNJs and the leaders of the National Party.

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Auckland Airport rail analysis must be made public
    The Government should publicly release its detailed analysis of rail to Auckland Airport before it closes off options, so the public can have an informed debate, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. The Transport Agency today said it is ...
    2 hours ago
  • Minister approved OIO consent despite death and investigations
    Louise Upston must say if she knew Intueri was being prosecuted for the death of a student and under a funding investigation when she approved its overseas investment consent to buy another education provider, says Labour’s Land Information and Associate ...
    1 day ago
  • Brexit vote costs NZ effective EU voice
    Despite being extremely close the result of the referendum in Britain reflects the majority voice, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “While we respect the decision to leave the EU, it goes without saying the move will usher in ...
    3 days ago
  • Pasifika Education Centre doomed
    The Pasifika Education Centre appears doomed to close down this December, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio  “In a written question I asked the Minister whether he would put a bid in for more money. His answer ...
    3 days ago
  • Onetai Station review a shameful whitewash
    A report released today on the Overseas Investment Office’s (OIO) good character test is a whitewash that does nothing to improve New Zealand’s overseas investment regime, says Labour’s Land Information spokesperson David Cunliffe. “The review of the good character test ...
    3 days ago
  • We need a national strategy to end homelessness now
    Long before I entered Parliament, housing and homelessness were issues dear to my heart. I know from personal experience just how hard it is to find an affordable home in Auckland. In my maiden speech, I talked about how when ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    3 days ago
  • Capital feels a chill economic wind
      Wellington is on the cusp of recession with a sharp fall in economic confidence in the latest Westpac McDermott Miller confidence survey, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark.  “Economic confidence amongst Wellingtonians has dropped 12% in the past ...
    3 days ago
  • Dive school rort took six years to dredge up
    News that yet another private training establishment (PTE) has rorted the Government’s tertiary funding system since 2009 shows that Steven Joyce has no control of the sector, says Labour’s Associate Education (Tertiary) spokesperson David Cunliffe. “Like Agribusiness Training and Taratahi, ...
    4 days ago
  • National’s housing crisis hitting renters hard
    National’s ongoing housing crisis is causing massive rental increases, with Auckland renters being hit the hardest, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    4 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    4 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    4 days ago
  • Government holds Northland back
    New information shows Northland remains the most economically depressed region in New Zealand, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark. “The latest Westpac McDermott Miller regional survey found that more Northlanders believe their local economy will deteriorate this year than ...
    4 days ago
  • Rebstock report into MFAT leaks a disgrace
    An Ombudsman’s report on the Paul Rebstock investigation into MFAT leaks shows the two diplomats at the centre of the case were treated disgracefully, says Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi.  “The Ombudsman says one of the diplomats Derek Leask ...
    4 days ago
  • More families forced to turn to food banks for meals
    Increasing numbers of families are having to go to food banks just to put a meal on the table, according to a new report that should shame the Government into action, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    4 days ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    5 days ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    5 days ago
  • Aussie reforms signal trouble ahead for school funding plan
    Plans by the Government to return to bulk funding are likely to see increased class sizes and schools most in need missing out on much-needed resources, Labour’s Acting Education spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The signaled return to bulk funding is ...
    5 days ago
  • Toxic Sites – the down low on the go slow
    In  2011, I negotiated an agreement with the National Government to advance work on cleaning up contaminated sites across the country. This included establishing a National Register of the ten worst sites where the creators of the problem could not ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    5 days ago
  • Aucklanders face new motorway tax of up to $2500 a year
    The Government wants to tax Aucklanders thousands of dollars a year just to use the motorway network, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Officials estimate the average city commute is 11.8km. This means for the average Aucklander commuting five ...
    5 days ago
  • 15 corrupt bank managers identified in student fraud
    New information show 15 bank managers in India have been identified by Immigration New Zealand as presenting fraudulent documents on behalf of foreign students studying here, Labour’s Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “Documents obtained by Labour under the Official Information ...
    5 days ago
  • National leaves Kiwi savers the most vulnerable in OECD
    News last week that Israel’s Finance Minister will insure savers’ bank deposits means New Zealand will be left as the only country in the OECD that has no deposit insurance to protect savers’ funds should a bank fail. Most Kiwis ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    6 days ago
  • Comprehensive plan for future of work needed
    A Massey University study showing many New Zealanders are unaware of the increasing role of automation in their workplace, highlights the need for a comprehensive plan for the future of work, says Grant Robertson, Chair of Labour’s Future of Work ...
    6 days ago
  • Another National Government failure: 90 day work trials
    On Friday last week, the Treasury released a report by MOTU economic consultants into the effectiveness of the controversial 90-day work trial legislation. The report found that there was “no evidence that the policy affected the number of hires by ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    6 days ago
  • Iraq mission extension case not made
    The Prime Minister has not made the case for extending the Iraq deployment another 18 months nor the expansion of their mission, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “Labour originally opposed the deployment because the Iraqi Army’s track record was poor, ...
    7 days ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Melanoma deaths could be avoided by an early access scheme
      The tragic death of Dunedin’s Graeme Dore from advanced Melanoma underlines the cruelty of this Government in promising a treatment but delaying for months, says Labour’s Health Spokesperson Annette King.  “Graeme was diagnosed with Melanoma last year. He used ...
    1 week ago
  • Assessing the Defence White Paper
    The Government’s recently released Defence White Paper has raised questions again about New Zealand’s defence priorities, and in particular the level and nature of public funding on defensive capabilities. The Green Party has a longstanding belief that priority must be ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham
    1 week ago
  • Kiwis’ confidence drops again: Economy needs a boost
    Westpac’s consumer confidence survey has fallen for the seventh time in nine quarters, with middle income households ‘increasingly worried about where the economy is heading over the next few years’, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This survey is a ...
    1 week ago
  • Relocation grant simply kicks can down the road
    The response by state house tenants and social agencies to the Government’s rushed plan to shift families out of Auckland tells us what we already knew – this is no answer to the chronic housing shortage, Opposition Leader Andrew Little ...
    1 week ago
  • Peace hīkoi to Parihaka
    On Friday a Green crew walked with the peace hīkoi from Ōkato to Parihaka. Some of us were from Parliament and some were party members from Taranaki and further afield. It was a cloudy but gentle day and at one ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Children’s Commissioner right to worry about CYF transition
    The Government must listen to the Children’s Commissioner’s concerns that young people under CYF care could be ‘negatively impacted’ as the new agency’s reforms become reality, says Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern. “Dr Russell Wills has used the second annual ...
    1 week ago
  • Bill English exaggerates PPL costs to justify veto
    The Finance Minister has used trumped-up costings to justify a financial veto against parents having 26 weeks paid parental leave, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Bill English’s assertion on RNZ yesterday that the measure would cost an extra $280 million ...
    1 week ago
  • Government must refund overcharged motorists
    Labour is calling on the Government to refund motor registration fees to three-quarters of a million Kiwi motorists whose vehicles were wrongly classified under National’s shambolic ACC motor vehicle risk rating system, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says.“Minister Kaye’s ridiculous ...
    1 week ago
  • 90-day work trials an unfair failure which must change
    A new Treasury report shows the Government’s 90-day trials haven’t helped businesses and are inherently unfair, Labour’s Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Motu report found that 90-day trial periods had no impact on overall employment and did not ...
    1 week ago
  • Massey East houses a start but Nick Smith should think bigger
    The Massey East 196-home development is a start but the Government must think bigger if it is to end the housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “It is great the Government is finally realising it needs to build ...
    1 week ago
  • More changes needed to ensure fewer cases like Teina Pora’s
    Teina Pora spent 21 years behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit, shafted by a Police investigation that prioritised an investigator’s hunch over the pursuit of credible evidence. Yesterday’s announcement that the government is to pay him $2.5m in ...
    GreensBy David Clendon
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand Labour sends condolences to UK
    The New Zealand Labour Party is sickened and saddened by the murder of British Labour MP Jo Cox, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “Ms Cox was killed in cold blood while simply doing her job as a constituent MP. She ...
    1 week ago
  • Shameful refugee quota increase still leaves NZ at the bottom of the list
    Minister for Immigration Michael Woodhouse announced this week that the government will put off increasing the refugee quota by 1000 places until 2018.  It’s a shameful decision that undermines the Government’s claim that it takes its international humanitarian obligations seriously, ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 weeks ago
  • Paula Bennett as a victim hard to swallow
    The National Party spin machine has gone into overdrive to try and present Paula Bennett as the victim in the Te Puea Marae smear saga, says Labour Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Bill English in Parliament today tried valiantly to paint ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Voters to have the final veto on paid parental leave
    New Zealanders will have the final right of veto on a Government that has ignored democracy and is out of touch with the pressures and demands on families, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Today’s decision by National to veto 26 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Collins should put Kiwis’ money where her mouth is
    Labour’s Police spokesman Stuart Nash is calling on anyone who has received a speeding ticket for going up to 5km/h over the 100km/hr open road speed limit to write to him and he will take it up on their behalf ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where is the leadership on equal pay for work of equal value?
    The gender pay gap in the public service is worse than in the private sector. I’ve always found this particularly galling because I expect our Government to provide an example to the private sector on things like human rights, rather ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    2 weeks ago
  • Kiwis’ real disposable income goes nowhere for the year
    New Zealanders’ hard work for the last year resulted in no increase in real disposable income, showing Kiwis aren’t getting ahead under National, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Today’s GDP figures reveal that real gross national disposable income per ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Pora case a case to learn from
    Conformation that Teina Pora will receive $2.5million from the Crown for more than 20 years of wrongful imprisonment does not fix the flaws in our system that led to this miscarriage of justice, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “The ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government needs to start again with RMA changes
    The National Government’s proposed changes to the Resource Management Act have attracted more than 800 submissions, many of them critical of key aspects of the Resource Legislation Bill. There has been much criticism of the new regulation making powers given ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    2 weeks ago
  • Bennett’s briefing completely unacceptable
    It is completely unacceptable that Paula Bennett briefed her political staff on the police investigation into Hurimoana Dennis after her meeting with him, despite it having nothing to do with her social housing portfolio, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech to Green Building Council
    Building smarter, greener cities It will be clear to anyone who has been watching the public debate on the housing crisis that housing in New Zealand is sadly far from being economically sustainable when Auckland has the fourth most unaffordable ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Paula Bennett has more questions to answer
    It is unthinkable that Paula Bennett’s press secretary went rogue and tried to smear the reputation of someone involved in helping the homeless, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Political staff would not take such serious unilateral action without the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech on Notice of Motion on Orlando
    Mr Speaker, The Labour Party joins with the government in expressing our horror at this atrocity and our love and sympathy are with the victims and their families. Our thoughts are with the people of Orlando and of the United ...
    2 weeks ago

Public service advertisements by The Standard

Current CO2 level in the atmosphere