Still pussy-footing on Gaza

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1. adam 1

   31 October 2023 at 4:14 pm

   My view is the IDF should stop acting like nazies

   And Hamas should stop acting like slaves.
   • Anne 1.1

     31 October 2023 at 4:52 pm

     My view is the IDF should stop being Nazis.

     And Hamas should stop being terrorists.

     And since neither have any intention of stopping… its stalemate folks.
     • Terry 1.1.1

       31 October 2023 at 7:25 pm

       In my view, Hamas are the Nazis, Hamas have deliberately targeted and Killed innocent civilians, just like the Nazis did during WW 2. My sympathy for the civilians in Gaza, is on the same level as the civilian victims of the bombing campaign of Germany and Japan, but hey your people started it. The Israeli defence forces are not deliberately targeting civilians. They have been given every warning, as to what will happen and they need to evacuate. This is on Hamas.

       It reminds me of the Japanese admiral, who was quoted after the successful attack on Pearl Harbour; I fear that we have awoken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve. This is probably what Hamas wanted
       • Subliminal 1.1.1.1

         31 October 2023 at 9:35 pm

         Hmmm. All the Israeli missiles require targeting. They dont randomly fling them in the direction of Gaza and hope to hit a few Hamas fighters. They deliberately aim them at the houses and hospitals that they hit.

         Now you can and do say that they deserve this but to say that the more than 7 000 dead Palestinians, at least half of these children, is some kind of unfortunate accident, is really stretching even comfortable Western peoples credulity.
       • Ghostwhowalks 1.1.1.2

         1 November 2023 at 1:09 pm

         Both sides in WW2 deliberately targeted civilians, as a matter of policy

         Your people started it ???

         never heard of the jewish terrorist militias pre 1948 who created barrel bombs to roll into Arab villages

         Jewish state terrorism even continued after 1948 when the Mossad organised a campaign of cinema and library bombings in Egypt. Known as Lavon Affair in Israel
         • Terry 1.1.1.2.1

           1 November 2023 at 6:37 pm

           The German Nazis started the war in Europe, the Japanese started the war in Asia. The Allies finished the war, using some of the barbaric methods and worse that the aggressors used.

           Hamas have started this particular war with a barbaric and deliberate attack against civilians. No doubt with the intention of sparking the response from Israel.

           Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe had been going to Israel since the 1800’s, and had in general been welcomed by the rulers of the region, but not necessarily by all the local Arab population.

           There has been conflict between the Arabs and Jewish refugees since then.

           Unfortunately the Arabs have rejected any peaceful solution, that included Jewish settlements.

           The official response from any number of Arab leaders has not made any allowances for Jewish communities living in the area now known as Israel. Without saying as much, the implication is that the Jewish communities in Israel are to be exterminated.

           This leads to an interesting question, if Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe, and WW2 are not to be welcomed in Israel/ Palestine, what do we do about the refugees from Africa and the Middle East heading to Europe? Or the refugees from southern/central America going to the USA?
       • adam 1.1.1.3

         1 November 2023 at 3:42 pm

         but hey your people started it

         What the Palestinians came into their own land and stole it. Dude read a history book.
         • Belladonna 1.1.1.3.1

           1 November 2023 at 3:53 pm

           Suggest you start with Josephus.
           • adam 1.1.1.3.1.1

             1 November 2023 at 6:06 pm

             What of his?

             I've read Bellum Judaicum. It's take on Roman Military Tactics is a go to work in the field. Also as a insight into the factions of Jewish War, it was illuminating.

             Would it be his History of Judaism you are suggesting?
     • Adrian Thornton 1.1.2

       1 November 2023 at 9:33 am

       Looks like the Yemenis are showing us all yet again that they are one of the few nations of real strength and moral courage….

       Yemeni Ansarullah declares war against Zionist regime

       "General Yahya Saree, the spokesman of the Yemeni armed forces said in a statement in the capital Sana'a on Tuesday that, "We launched a large number of ballistic and cruise missiles and a large number of drones at various targets of the Zionist enemy in the Palestine Occupied Territories."

       "We emphasize that this operation is the third operation in support of our oppressed brothers in Palestine."

       The spokesman of Yemeni armed forces further vowed they would continue with more precise attacks with missiles and drones unless the aggression of the Israeli regime stops.

       "The position of our Yemeni people towards the cause of Palestine is fixed and principled, and the Palestinian people have the full right to defend themselves and use their full rights," Saree added."
       • Belladonna 1.1.2.1

         1 November 2023 at 2:20 pm

         Ah, yes, Yemen, that bastion of human rights.

         https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/yemen

         It couldn't possibly be a religiously motivated assault against a country with which Yemen has notoriously poor relations

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Yemen_relations
2. SPC 2

   31 October 2023 at 6:21 pm

   It would nice if we were to propose that all political prisoners in Israeli or PA prisons, who are there for exercise of free speech and right to protest and not any actual crime or violence, to be released in return for release of the Hamas hostages.
3. SPC 3

   31 October 2023 at 6:47 pm

   The quote used above comes from 28 October and the link from a speech on 24 October.

   The correct link.

   https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/media-and-resources/un-general-assembly-10th-emergency-special-session/
4. Adrian Thornton 4

   1 November 2023 at 9:34 am

   Shocking that there are so few comments on this thread…..or is it?
5. Adrian Thornton 5

   1 November 2023 at 10:05 am

   Hundreds of casualties as Israel targets refugee camp in Gaza
   https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/hundreds-of-casualties-as-israel-targets-refugee-camp-in-gaza-interior-ministry/3039193
   "A series of Israeli airstrikes on a refugee camp in northern Gaza on Tuesday led to hundreds of casualties, the Interior Ministry in the besieged enclave said.

   Israel hit apartment blocks in a residential area of the Jabalia refugee camp, ministry spokesman Iyad al-Bozom told a press briefing.

   The victims mostly included women and children, he said, adding that Israeli warplanes destroyed the entire residential square known as Block 6."

   What the fuck is going on??….if the Russians or Chinese or any other perceived enemy of the West had just slaughtered over 10, 000 civilians in less than three weeks, right out in the open…our media would be losing it's shit 24/7…..why is Israel allowed to commit genocide in plain sight….televised live into our homes FFS…the West has now without question, lost any of the very tattered remaining moral authority it once might have had around the World….and to think gullible fools actually believed that these same Western/US/UK leaders actually gave even the slightest fuck about Ukrainian…or Afghanistan..or Syrian or Libyan or Yemeni civilians…..holy crap….well I guess it does prove propaganda does work…on lazy and/or stupid minds anyway.
   • Tiger Mountain 5.1

     1 November 2023 at 11:10 am

     The main problem is US Imperialism which keeps the money and arms flow to Israel on twin turbo boost, and then the Mid East authoritarian regimes who keep a lid on their own populations with violent oppression…and then…the rest of the usual suspects–media channels, online sabotage and troll farms, bourgeois politicians like Keir Starmer and even NZ Labour defending an obvious Israeli attempt at a final solution on the Palestinian people.

     It is so frustrating to observe the Israeli State and Military butchers from afar, NZers can attend the various solidarity events, make donations, support BDS but the fact is we have gutless politicians like Chris Hipkins and Baldrick who have no moral compass, let alone a class left political world view.

     Will no one in the international community send an airlift or sea freight aid shipment to try and break the filthy zionist blockade of Gaza?
     • SPC 5.1.1

       1 November 2023 at 11:18 am

       If 5 armies marched on Israel under the banner of river to the sea – it's happened before – would you call it justice/what all Zionists deserved/something else?

       Claiming an attempt to eliminate Hamas as a military force an obvious Israeli attempt at a final solution on the Palestinian people is ridiculous.
       • Tiger Mountain 5.1.1.1

         1 November 2023 at 4:45 pm

         Mounting numbers daily of Palestinians lying crushed underneath bombed building rubble might not agree their fate was “ridiculous”.

         The IDF is in fact eliminating women and children, who did not choose to be Palestinian or the descendants of those from the Nakba. Nor did they choose to be penned up in a shameful human zoo comparable with the Warsaw Ghetto.
         • SPC 5.1.1.1.1

           1 November 2023 at 5:11 pm

           Is the Russian invasion an attempt to proffer a final solution to the Ukraine wants to be part of EU and NATO problem?

           Civilians are also "eliminated", power supply destroyed, water supply destroyed.

           Sure when someone launches a war and hides in tunnels under civilian areas there is a risk to lives of civilians and Gaza has half its population under 20.

           The reason for the mention of war crimes is in part because Israel is said to have responsibility for the area from which an armed group attacks it, whereas Russia only has responsibility for areas recognsied as part of Russia.
6. Reality 6

   1 November 2023 at 10:08 am

   Adrian, it could be that the awful history of Palestine and Israel is so never ending and complex people switch off from keeping informed, however superficial that seems. As I see it, both are to blame.
7. Adrian Thornton 7

   1 November 2023 at 11:42 am

   "As I see it, both are to blame"… …why would you say that?

   Israel is illegally occupying land…and that is according to the UN not me..

   Israel has also been holding 2 1/2 Million people in an open air prison and that is according to Human Rights Watch not me….

   Israel is an Apartheid state also according to Human Rights Watch (and others) not me

   Israel is holding children in prison against all internations rules according to Save the Children, not me

   Israel has a known history of slaughtering civilians/aid workers/journos…we all know this to be a fact.

   And this where a peaceful protest got them...

   "Hundreds killed, thousands wounded: A year of Gaza rallies"

   "Palestinians to mark a year of Great March of Return protests after UN found Israel may have committed war crimes."

   What is complex about that?…like I said propaganda works real on lazy and/or stupid minds…and I know you are not stupid my friend.

   This is no time to sit on the fence.

   Free Palestine!!
   • Belladonna 7.1

     1 November 2023 at 12:11 pm

     "As I see it, both are to blame"… …why would you say that?

     Largely because of the never-ending missile assaults on Israel from Gaza (well before the latest Hamas assault.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

     Because of the history of attacks on Israel without warning, not only from Hamas, but from Middle Eastern States. And the base-assumption from all of these states that Israel has no right to exist.

     Yes Israel is in occupation of Gaza. Why? Because Egypt (who previously occupied this territory) attacked Israel and was comprehensively beaten in 1967. And, the surrounding Arab countries continue to supply military aid to Hamas.

     Yes, Israel's military operation against Hamas is causing civilian casualties.
     Because Hamas have created a network of tunnels below ground, and routinely place significant military targets under civilian areas. It's a deeply cynical move, from an organization which clearly cares little or nothing about the civilians they claim to represent.

     You can argue that Israel is an apartheid state. So are many others using that definition: China, Japan, Fiji, Azerbaijan, and every Middle East country for that matter (if you are not Muslim, you have no rights).

     While I despise the fact that children are incarcerated by Israel – that does not excuse Hamas kidnapping children and removing them from their families. Nor is it substantially different from the criminalization of children in other Middle East countries (indeed, the treatment of children is often worse)

     https://www.asianews.it/news-en/Children-condemned-to-death-and-adults-detained-for-years-without-charge-8523.html

     Journalists slaughtered — does Kashoggi ring a bell?

     https://www.npr.org/2023/10/02/1202937036/jamal-khashoggi-mbs-murder-saudi-arabia-human-rights

     While this is reprehensible – and we'd all like media and human rights workers to be immune – sadly, the reality of working in a war zone, means that your life is at risk.

     If you make the assumption that one side is unilaterally 'right' in this – any solution proposed is bound to fail.
     • Subliminal 7.1.1

       1 November 2023 at 2:04 pm

       Sorry, but none others of your "list " of apartheid states are recognised as such, by Amnesty. the UN, as well as HRW and B'tselem.

       Your claims that "others do it so why not Israel" is downright weird.

       You may not like it but the fact that Gaza is occupied territory subject to enclosure by an illegal wall and a 16 year old siege gives Palestinians organised in Hamas, or not, the absolute right to attack military installations of their oppressors. There is no doubt that military installations were attacked on Oct 7. And the fact that war crimes may also have been committed by Hamas in no way affects this right of Hamas or Palestinians in general to continue their struggle for liberation. Ongoing war crimes by the IDF have not resulted in any limitations on their operation. The ANC and Nelson Mandela were also once considered terrorists.
       • Belladonna 7.1.1.1

         1 November 2023 at 2:17 pm

         I was responding to the 'both to blame' rationale.

         And, your … weird … enthusiasm for regarding only the Palestinian side of the war as legitimate … is a prime explanation of why there is zero chance for peace, or even a cease-fire.

         Perhaps you might like to have a think about why none of those other states are regarded by the UN as practising apartheid – even though they are doing exactly what Israel does (obviously within a different population base). I'll await your rational explanation.
         • Subliminal 7.1.1.1.1

           1 November 2023 at 2:32 pm

           While it may seem that you should be the arbiter of what apartheid does or doesn't mean this is not the case.

           There are many people who are anti UN and in NZ this is on the increase as well. Many don't like the fact that we have signed up to the convention on indigenous rights. Not sure what your beef is but you obviously dont enjoy the indigenous people of Palestine being taken seriously. Would you prefer the days of hunting parties in the outback of Australia or in California? Because Gaza is just the modern day equivalent.
           • Belladonna 7.1.1.1.1.1

             1 November 2023 at 3:48 pm

             Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

             I look forward to your enlightened influence bringing peace to the Middle East.
           • SPC 7.1.1.1.1.2

             1 November 2023 at 3:49 pm

             Does indigenous mean majority?

             When Crusaders killed civilians at Jerusalem they spared Christians, but not the Moslems and Jews.

             The Hasmonean and Herodian era were majority Jewish.

             Not early enough?

             After many Israelis and Jews were taken away to Assyria and Babylon, some remained behind – a minority with newcomers who came in.

             Hebrew settlement goes back before the Israeli and Judah kingdoms of course.

             It's previous origins can be related to some Aramean areas – Turkey/Syria.

             The J 1 and J 2 Y male chromosome is from Anatolia and J2 is more common in the north (and also goes east of Anatolia) and J 1 more common in the south – Arabia. Both the Ashkenazi and Sephardim/Mizrahi populations have a similar range of the two types (together up to 50% in each of these two groups – Jewish identity is from the mother by the way).

             A lot of northern Semites, Syria Lebanon and Palestine are also J2 in their male line and of course given Arab migration north, some J 1 as well.

             Saying that either the Jews or Palestinians were/are not indigenous is ignorant.
             • Dennis Frank …

               1 November 2023 at 4:15 pm

               The antagonists are both semitic and it would be interesting to see any authoritative genetic comparison – from a professional, I mean. I haven't noticed any media reports of Palestinians being descendants of the Canaanites who got cleaned out by Joshua & co.

               Zionism seems to have been founded on an assumption that jews were given the right to kill the indigenous inhabitants by their deity YHVH, plus the assumption that they equate to hebrews regardless of centuries of cross-breeding which they likely pretend never happened. Genetics can prove then wrong but they'd probably refuse scientific testing of that.
               • SPC …

                 1 November 2023 at 4:22 pm

                 There is no evidence of a conquest of the land, just an end to Egyptian over-rule. The land was made of walled cities and otherwise villagers and or "tribes".

                 The bible still mentions Canaanite practices in the land during the kingdom period.

                 Jews returned to the land after leaving and some Canaanites probably did the same (then there were Jews who became Christians and those some who became Moslems – some of the Palestinians will have had ancestors who were Jews).
             • Subliminal …

               1 November 2023 at 5:19 pm

               That has to be some kind of sick joke though I suspect you're attempting to be serious.

               Transplanting Europeans from Europe into the ME and claiming a 1500 year absence as some kind of property right??

               Israel wont even give Palestinians that were beaten and whipped off their land in 1948 right of return.
               • SPC …

                 1 November 2023 at 5:42 pm

                 Meh – you were the one claiming the Palestinians were indigenous (there were Jews in that land before Europeans called Peleshti arrived in Gaza – now you know where the name Palestine comes from).

                 And those Jews had the same male line DNA, as some of those Ashkenazi, now why was that? The major European male line DNA is of the "R" Y chromosome – not common among Jews (nor is I).

                 Of course, you are also ignoring the Sephardim and Mizrahi – there were Jews in North Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc who live in Israel too.

                 No mention how many of them lost their property in the Arabic speaking world before moving into Israel as refugees? No mention of the Jews killed by Arab armies on the West Bank an area actually ethnically cleansed of Jews in 1948.

                 … partisans see with one eye because ….
                 • Subliminal …

                   1 November 2023 at 6:42 pm

                   Oh. Another joke. You are seriously putting yourself forward as non partisan??

                   You do have a high opinion of yourself!
                   • SPC …

                     1 November 2023 at 7:00 pm

                     Partisans are known to make personal slights against those who disagree with them.

                     They infer greater knowledge, but do not debate anything, they just move to another partisan talking point.

                     Thanks for playing the game, how to identify a partisan.
         • Incognito 7.1.1.1.2

           1 November 2023 at 9:38 pm

           Where did you see that “enthusiasm”? I hope you weren’t projecting or making up things.
           • Belladonna 7.1.1.1.2.1

             2 November 2023 at 10:21 am

             This comment –

             https://thestandard.org.nz/still-pussy-footing-on-gaza/#comment-1974707
             • Incognito …

               2 November 2023 at 7:56 pm

               sigh

               Where in that comment did you see that “enthusiasm”?
               • Belladonna …

                 2 November 2023 at 9:51 pm

                 Sigh

                 Try looking at the language, and the unrestrained conviction that one side is right.

                 However, it's all a matter of perception, isn't it. There is no way of definitely proving your or my opinion.

                 Really, no point in further comment.
                 • Incognito …

                   3 November 2023 at 8:30 am

                   You can’t handle a strong argument and thus you project BS onto it as ‘a matter of perception’.

                   QED
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 7.2

     1 November 2023 at 5:28 pm

     ""As I see it, both are to blame"… …why would you say that?"

     Adrian must have missed the pre-planned mass-murder of unarmed civilian Israelis, babies, children, mass rape (in front of relatives), beheadings, mutilations, that hamas committed…I guess it was more than three whole weeks ago now.

     “Free Palestine”? I can agree with that, but needs freeing from both Israeli crimes and from terrorist hamas.
     • Francesca 7.2.1

       1 November 2023 at 6:13 pm

       It pays to be a bit cautious at these initial unverified accounts.

       unless of course the reporting of atrocities suit the more powerful belligerents, in this case Israel and Biden , so that an indiscriminate mass slaughter can be executed with impunity.

       https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
     • Subliminal 7.2.2

       1 November 2023 at 9:07 pm

       Thats some list of atrocities. Its always good to be able to paint the enemy as evil. Babies are always a good one. Whether its the Germans eating babies in WWI or Iraqi soldiers turning off incubators which included an elaborate hoax testimony to Congress. Rape also has a history in the call to war with the claim that Qaddafi's troops consumed quantities of viagra before mass rapes in Libya.

       The 40 beheaded baby story is now also falling apart. The IDF will not confirm it and the only source is Major David Ben Zion who is the Deputy Head of the settler leadership organization, the Samaria Regional Council. He has a history of inciting violence against Palestinians and was the subject of a letter to DOJ in the USA while he was on a visit there to ask for his arrest as he sought funds to carry on his work inciting settlers to violence. As regards the 40 beheaded babies, from the same source:

       On October 11, the Israeli journalist Oren Ziv, who was also on the tour of Kfar Aza, wrote on Twitter, “During the tour we didn’t see any evidence of this, and the army spokesperson or commanders also didn’t mention any such incidents.”

       He continued: “Soldiers I spoke with in Kfar Aza yesterday didn’t mention ‘beheaded babies.’ The army’s spokesperson stated: ‘We can not confirm at this point… we are aware of the heinous acts Hamas is capable of.’”

       We don’t know exactly who the reporters on that tour spoke to, but as of yet, no independent news publication appears to have verified the claim made by Major David Ben Zion about finding beheaded children in Kfar Aza, and the Israeli military has even denied having evidence of the event.

       And other similarly horrific stories that have been reported are also starting to fall apart. The Los Angeles Times has retracted similarly unconfirmed reports of rape, and reporters are beginning to “clarify” or retract their statements about this claim of beheadings.
     • Adrian Thornton 7.2.3

       3 November 2023 at 4:51 pm

       " beheadings, mutilations, that hamas committed"….please provide an link that proves these allegations please.

       So Hamas are terrorist and the IDF are not?

       Your use of language tells me you are RNZ/Guardian and BBC reader/listener.
       • UncookedSelachimorpha 7.2.3.1

         5 November 2023 at 11:46 am

         Your use of language tells me you are RNZ/Guardian and BBC reader/listener.

         Not only! I also have a voracious appetite for MSNBC, Newsweek, Washington Post, The Economist, CBS – the complete spectrum of possible news sources.
         • Adrian Thornton 7.2.3.1.1

           5 November 2023 at 12:11 pm

           Then I guess you wouldn't know that The daily Mail is actually a better source of information (most days) on this conflict than any of those sources you highlighted..and also better by a country mile on keeping up with the Assange travesty.

           And I see you haven’t put up any neutral links for these allegation ” mass rape (in front of relatives), beheadings, mutilations”
           …so how about you get serious for a change and get those links up on here for us all to see….
           • UncookedSelachimorpha 7.2.3.1.1.1

             5 November 2023 at 4:49 pm

             OMG you took that seriously.

             It is risky to make assumptions about people here.
             • Adrian Thornton …

               5 November 2023 at 5:00 pm

               Of course I didn't…though I suspect it was at least half true.

               BTW, where are links?….either provide links when you make your many wild allegations on this issue or please refrain from making those incendiary, unsubstantiated comments (in other words misinformation)….that is how I understand this site works?
               • UncookedSelachimorpha …

                 5 November 2023 at 5:43 pm

                 "that is how I understand this site works"

                 I believe so, but there comes a point where such evidence is not required. For example, you may believe allegations that the earth is round are incendiary, unsubstantiated, misinformation etc…but I won't be providing proof (and if I did, you wouldn't believe it in any case).

                 Multiple credible sources (including hamas-aligned, and hamas themselves) confirm hamas committed multiple appalling atrocities against civilians on October 7th.

                 This article discusses both true and false claims around the hamas atrocities, to some extent:

                 https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/
8. Mike the Lefty 8

   1 November 2023 at 12:49 pm

   While most people – both in Israel and in Gaza – would surely prefer peace, the horrible reality is that there are some on both sides who want war and unfortunately they have the power to make it happen, and so it continues.

   They use the innocent as pawns in their war games.
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 8.1

     1 November 2023 at 5:30 pm

     Exactly.
   • Anne 8.2

     1 November 2023 at 6:47 pm

     "They use the innocent as pawns in their war games."

     Precisely. And for that reason it is possible to have compassion for the innocent on both sides. I have no doubt there are many Jewish people around the world, and in Israel, who are appalled at what is now happening in their name. I also have no doubt there are Palestinians and many other Middle Eastern nationals around the world who have nothing but abhorrence for terrorists groups like Hamas.

     A catch 22 situation that will never be solved by brute force.
   • Adrian Thornton 8.3

     5 November 2023 at 12:17 pm

     Only one side has power…what the hell are you talking about?
9. SPC 9

   1 November 2023 at 5:53 pm

   The UN process stuff.

   If there is an impasse on the UNSC there is the option to have a special session of the UNGA.

   What UNGA Res 377A says is here

   Reaffirming the importance of the exercise by the Security Council of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and the duty of the permanent members to seek unanimity and to exercise restraint in the use of the veto, …

   Conscious that failure of the Security Council to discharge its responsibilities on behalf of all the Member States … does not relieve Member States of their obligations or the United Nations of its responsibility under the Charter to maintain international peace and security,

   Recognizing in particular that such failure does not deprive the General Assembly of its rights or relieve it of its responsibilities under the Charter in regard to the maintenance of international peace and security, …

   Resolves that if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendations to Members for collective measures, including in the case of a breach of the peace or act of aggression the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_377

   This has happened 11 times since 1950.

   The 11th time was the invasion of Ukraine – Russia and a UNSC veto.

   The 10th began 1997 and resumed October 26 2023

   The tenth emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly centers on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict: the ongoing occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_emergency_special_session_of_the_United_Nations_General_Assembly
10. roblogic 10

    1 November 2023 at 9:28 pm

    I like thejuicemedia's take on this situation

    Honest Government Ad | Israel & Gaza 🇮🇱 🇵🇸 – YouTube

    1. Hamas' attack on civilians in Israel is fucked and a violation of international law
    2. Israel's collective punishment of civilians in Gaza is fucked and a violation of international law
    3. Both (1) and (2) are happening in the context of an occupation which is fucked and and a violation of international law
11. UncookedSelachimorpha 11

    2 November 2023 at 4:50 pm

    This opinion on CNN seemed right to me. (I know this source will annoy some, but stopped clocks twice a day etc).

    The author says Israel's current response won't work and and will result in more terrorists, not less. The only way is to look for a political solution from the very start – while Israel doesn't seem to have any long term plan at this point (and their actions ignore the likely political results).
    • Adrian Thornton 11.1

      3 November 2023 at 4:54 pm

      The Israeli Zionists don't and have never wanted a political solution…haven't you worked that out yet?
      • UncookedSelachimorpha 11.1.1

        5 November 2023 at 2:28 am

        I have worked that out – certainly the Israeli settler groups are racist, violent criminals.

        Hamas are also terrorist murderers who have no interest in a political solution.
    • SPC 11.2

      3 November 2023 at 5:16 pm

      Sure, the best option is

      1. All political prisoners (those who are mere activists) are released from the Israeli prison the PA prison along with the Israeli hostages.
      2. A cease-fire agreement, Hamas and the other group disarm and the UN completes an agreement for control of Gaza borders from Israel (and supply of power/fuel and water etc) and takes over administrative oversight – securing civil society.

      This is worse than we realise, the IDF took back townships in Israel controlled by gunman who had hostages/civilian shields (and others hiding in homes) by military action. That has to have had a psychological impact …

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