Why is Whaleoil being pathetic or paid on Toddy?

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1. Reality 1

   21 June 2017 at 11:33 am

   Perhaps he had time overnight to consult his good friend Judith, who of course will be interested in weakening the PM’s hold on his job.
   • Carolyn_nth 1.1

     21 June 2017 at 11:36 am

     JC and Maggie Barry tweeted their support for Barclay yesterday.
2. dukeofurl 2

   21 June 2017 at 11:41 am

   I think while its Lusk whos writing the Whaleoil stories on this they are only backing Barclay because Lusks arch enemy on the national party board Glenda Hughes is in the anti Todd Barclay camp.

   Could well be Lusk was working for Barclays re-selection, as the curtain has been lifted on selection dirty tricks and branch delegate stacking- which sort of points in an obvious direction.

   Meanwhile Whaleoil has plenty of material to ‘harpoon’ his perennial target – Bill English- now thats written by the Oily Orca himself.
3. mordecai 3

   21 June 2017 at 11:43 am

   Slater has been an opponent of some within National to undermine Barclay, including his arch-nemesis Michelle Boag. Slater is all over English with this, because he wanted Collins to have the top job. Slater is right about many things, but if he’s defending Barclay on this he’s out to lunch.
4. Bruce 4

   21 June 2017 at 11:45 am

   I assume Slater is paid by the tobacco industry (through Carrick Graham). Todd and Bishop will have been “selected” after a large donation to the National Foundation in 2014 by their former employers, the tobacco industry in order to make plain packaging go away. My guess is Alastair Bell or one of his mates on the National Party board would have acted as a consultant for the tobacco industry and will have personally lobbied for him.
5. roy cartland 5

   21 June 2017 at 11:54 am

   “– for some reason”

   Once again, it could be just dead-cat spin to keep the hype on Toddy and away from the real DP monster, Simon Flood, who will be going for the seat:

   https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/ex-investment-man-challenges-barclay-mp
6. adam 6

   21 June 2017 at 11:56 am

   As usual I see the truth, morality and the law are qualities that evade the slug of Remuera.

   The up side, I get to read somthing funny from lprent.

   Mind you, you do have to wonder why he waded in, sorry, the rhythmic wave muscular contractions on the underside of its foot to get where he wants to be. As so aptly put by “He just wants to protect Todd Barclay – for some reason.”

   This is a faction fight which has spilling out to the open?

   Is this the opening move in what is a all to common event from national? That every-time they look like losing, they start to tear themselves apart.

   Oh well I hope the slug of Remurea can make some more dumb turns, then I will get some more – good giggles.
   • dukeofurl 6.1

     21 June 2017 at 12:22 pm

     Slug of remuera ? Slater lives in Arkles Bay…now theres an alliteration for you
     • greywarshark 6.1.1

       21 June 2017 at 3:15 pm

       Sounds like some place that Fred Dagg would think up.
       • Sacha 6.1.1.1

         21 June 2017 at 4:43 pm

         Yep, the arsehole from arkles
         • peterlepaysan 6.1.1.1.1

           21 June 2017 at 8:57 pm

           Now, now, arseholes are both useful and necessary.
     • adam 6.1.2

       21 June 2017 at 3:42 pm

       I had no idea where he lives nor do I much care, but slug and Remuera went quite well I thought. 🙂
7. Cinny 7

   21 June 2017 at 12:22 pm

   Not sure if anyone actually reads Oil anymore, all they talk about is rugby and food, their comments are way way down from this time last election. Desperate they may be but relevant they sure are not.

   I read a comment on there last night which stated that someone missed out being hired for a job because it was well known that their father was associated with that blog.

   Wondering why the victim blaming only ever seems to occur when the victim is a woman? How dare women speak out, how dare they, they must be up to something, they should just shut up and take it.

   That’s part of what is pissing me off about the whole thing, no matter which political party the victim supports, she has been treated like shit, and even after the payout apparently Barclay continued to run her down, couldn’t let it go, I bet he wants it gone now.
   • lprent 7.1

     21 June 2017 at 2:50 pm

     Not sure if anyone actually reads Oil anymore…

     I don’t – but that is my impression as well. Fortunately for me, ShakingStick does, and he comes up on my twitter feed.

     When I go for jobs these days, I routinely disclose that there are a number of paranoid nutcases around with somewhat ‘flexible’ (ie no obvious) morals who are likely to be stalking me and my employers to cause mischief. Cameron Slater of section 311 of the Crimes Act being one of them.

     Somehow it never seems to have put off any employer. They’re more interested in my capabilities and skills sets.

     I’d guess that they were either poor candidate for skills or it was just made up. Lots of puffed up aggrandisement on that site.
   • The New Student 7.2

     21 June 2017 at 3:21 pm

     Whale Oil is pretty much just fan-fiction
   • Sorrwerdna 7.3

     21 June 2017 at 3:39 pm

     “Not sure if anyone actually reads Oil anymore” -does anyone include you?
     • Cinny 7.3.1

       21 June 2017 at 4:14 pm

       Let me rephrase, just for you Andrew. Not sure if many people actually read Oil anymore. There is that better?

       As for me, I don’t live in a bubble and from time to time do flick through toxic right wing blogs just to gauge perception and laugh at the spin.
8. David Mac 8

   21 June 2017 at 12:41 pm

   How can a first job as a tobacco lobbyist not be an apprenticeship in deception? The truth in that game would see your desk emptied by Friday.

   “We demand that we retain our right to kill people”

   Tobacco lobbyist = A jolly tough sunset task that exists via truth manipulation and a pot of money. The natural environment of the whale…does Todd Barclay go hunting?
   • Bruce 8.1

     21 June 2017 at 1:05 pm

     Totally right, Bishop is far more dangerous though.
9. Et Tu Brute 9

   21 June 2017 at 1:20 pm

   With due respect the standard MBIE settlement forms do have confidentiality clauses, non-disparagement clauses and most require a certificate of service to be issued to support the former employee to find future employment. It will generally state in the agreement that both sides decided to mutually end the employment for some reason. Now, this situation is a mess, but no employer in their right mind would pay so much to allow the former employee to still attack them in public.
   • Draco T Bastard 9.1

     21 June 2017 at 2:31 pm

     IMO, highlighting a crime by the employer isn’t attacking them.
     • Et Tu Brute 9.1.1

       21 June 2017 at 2:41 pm

       Lodging a complaint with the police would I assume be protected, however one must then ask what was being ‘settled’ if you raise the matter again. Normally it says it is an end to the matter. But Bill English and the leader’s office isn’t the police and continued attempts to push him over (I see he’s now jumped) must involve some level of disparagement. Unless of course she isn’t involved.
       • weka 9.1.1.1

         21 June 2017 at 2:48 pm

         You also can’t sign away statutory rights so she could still for instance talk to the Privacy Commissioner.

         I doubt she is involved the pressure on Barclay to resign.
         • Et Tu Brute 9.1.1.1.1

           21 June 2017 at 4:13 pm

           Yet you can raise a complaint with the Privacy Commission, enter into a dispute, and then sign a confidential settlement to make the problem go away. Now, we don’t know, or I don’t know more rightly, whether Parliamentary Services settled via the Privacy Commission or via ERA/MBIE mediation. But I presume there’s no point settling a matter if it still remains a liability for the organization. Would you?
           • weka 9.1.1.1.1.1

             21 June 2017 at 4:15 pm

             It’s only just gone to the PC and I didnt have the sense they went through formal mediation. See my comment below re agreement.
   • dukeofurl 9.2

     21 June 2017 at 3:52 pm

     ” pay so much to allow the former employee to still attack them in public.”

     I understand she only spoke out because Barclay earlier this year released a statement defaming her and trying his spin on the ’employment events’

     This was the details as written by Newsroom

     But earlier this year the NZ Herald published a story based on the redacted version of the police investigation file into whether Barclay had breached a section of the Crimes Act around “use of interception devices”.
     In a statement provided to the media organisation, Barclay said there had been complaints about the staff member (Dickson), who had been reprimanded.
     “I had received complaints about the conduct of a staff member from members of the public and I referred the matter to Parliamentary Services.
     “As the legal employer of support staff, they acted as they deemed appropriate and embarked on a disciplinary process.”

     essentially he spoke first!
     https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/20/35010/allegations-barclay-invented-complaints
10. Michael 10

    21 June 2017 at 3:14 pm

    Barclay certainly acted as though Lusk was advising him. Perhaps Stuart Nash could clarify the matter?
11. Sanctuary 11

    21 June 2017 at 3:25 pm

    I would say from his posts Slater gets a brown envelope or two from the Israeli government as well. A better match would be hard to imagine.
12. weka 12

    21 June 2017 at 4:13 pm

    – – –
    By now Dickson’s lawyer had reached a settlement with the Parliamentary Service. Dickson, Barclay and the Parliamentary Service are bound by a confidentiality agreement so the details of the settlement are unknown.
    – – –

    From the original Newsroom article. So they can’t discuss the payout deal but that’s different than her talking about what went on?
    • Ross 12.1

      21 June 2017 at 6:58 pm

      The payout deal might have been based on neither party speaking ill of the other and being honest if asked about the matter. When Barclay said that he’d received complaints about Dickson, it could’ve meant the deal was null and void because he was telling porkies.

      Some agreements can involve an employer providing a good reference to a former (aggrieved) employee but I’ve heard various employees complain that they are struggling to find work because their former employer is bad-mouthing them to prospective employers, despite such an agreement.
      • weka 12.1.1

        21 June 2017 at 7:17 pm

        thanks, that makes sense.
13. LivinInTheBay 13

    28 June 2017 at 5:08 pm

    Barclay was a fool. Bill English is a fool for letting his ex-staffer keep on about it.

    As for WhaleOil it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he’s getting paid by Barclay supporters and NZF supporters – who was his lawyer in the Colin Craig case?

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