A society that works for the few doesn’t work

Written By: - Date published: 11:25 am, April 23rd, 2012 - 76 comments
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This country produces $200 billion of wealth a year. Yet half of adults have incomes less than $29,000 a year. 200,000 kids live in poverty, may in working families. A tiny few – the 1% – pocket the lion’s share. There is no justification. It is bad for society and the economy. Helen Kelly confronts the greed irrational of one rich family, the Talley’s, and how it’s hurting 1,300 poor working families.

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How is it that a family-owned company, Talley’s Group, making money from the sea and the land, is able to inflict economic uncertainty on more than 1300 other families? What does it say about the society that makes that lawful?

Is it the ultimate result of colonisation unresolved, that one family, of European origin, is able to determine the economic future of a workforce that is more than 60 per cent Maori and which, for centuries, derived its living from that same sea and land from which the Talley family now make its wealth?

These are tough questions that we will need to answer if we are not to let more than 1300 workers and 5000 children go to the wall as their employer Affco, owned by Talley’s Group, seeks changes to a collective agreement.

In the meatworks, a large part of a worker’s daily pay depends on their team meeting daily tally kill rates, which, in turn, is reliant on the number of people in their team.

Affco wants to have the ultimate ability to determine and change either of these elements – the tally kill number and the team numbers – giving it the ability to reduce workers’ earnings by shifting the goalposts.

It won’t agree to an additional mechanism that protects minimum tally earnings. It has locked most of its unionised workforce out for more than 50 days straight to try to secure this change in the agreement.

Talking to one of these workers at the weekend during a protest in Whanganui, I learned how he had worked for Affco for 30 years, next to his buddy who had been there for 40.

They have shared all life’s ups and downs and believe they may never work together again if the company has its way. They see the union as the only thing that keeps their working life decent and ensures their kids can also work in decent conditions.

Many of these families have exhausted all financial means. They have cashed in their KiwiSavers, frozen their mortgages and got credit card holidays. All these arrangements are coming to an end and they are starting to lose their cars, worry about their houses and realise their retirement will be a poor one.

They can’t understand why the company has to have this “all-or-nothing” approach when it is owned by a family they believe has everything, and doesn’t need any more money. The union movement is fundraising furiously but providing decent support to this number of families is difficult. It is wrong that cleaners and manufacturing workers are donating from their low wages to support these families while the Talley family wants for nothing.

This dispute can only be analysed through a lens other than the dominant market one. A lens where community means something and where there is a bottom line about wealth creation.

That bottom line should include workers having a secure agreement about how their pay is determined. It’s not much to expect.

As the country shows growing outrage at the foreign ownership of land (and I, too, oppose these land sales), a Kiwi family is becoming dominant across the food sector (fish, dairy, agriculture, and meat) which is our primary and most important industry. Yet this lockout and demand to control pay, in my view, disregards the welfare of Affco workers in the most basic of ways.

Unless we have corporate limits, corporate standards and high expectations of those who use the natural resources of the country, then the outlook is grim regardless of who owns the companies or land that creates the wealth.

We need a new social contract. We need modern employer organisations prepared to take a stand for decent work and against companies like Affco. We need stronger labour laws that protect workers like the ones involved in this dispute.

It was revealing last week when those in high places finally expressed outrage at the behaviour of the Port of Auckland – not when it planned to sack everyone, but only when it breached workers’ privacy.

The moral compass of these groups is pointing the wrong way. It needs to be swung around.

The implications for the families and communities of Whanganui, Wairoa, Moerewa, Rangiuru and Horutiu if the Talley family are able to win without account, are generational. All of New Zealand needs to think about the future of work, given the current norm is to accept this type of behaviour as good business.

Locked out families will travel to the Nelson region on May 6 to try to meet the Talley family. They have a feeling the family might appreciate their situation if they talk to them about who they are, and their ambitions for their kids and grandkids.

They are hoping that when families meet face to face, there is still room to build a community of common understanding and respect.

Helen Kelly is president of the Council of Trade Unions.

76 comments on “A society that works for the few doesn’t work”

  1. ad 1

    I totally agree with this. A whole new social contract.

    Showing the impact on families, again and again, and amplifying that through the media, is the strongest tool left to get positive change.

  2. Gosman 2

    This could be simply resolved if the various worker organisations pooled their capital and created these ‘socially responsible employers’.

    Put your money where YOU want it to be invested and ensure the employees get what you think they deserve.

    • Uturn 2.1

      1) Money is made through the transfer of public resources into private property. There is no “your” money where “you” want it.
      2) Why would a workers collective use capitalism as a model?
      3) Why would they take your advice?
      4) When are you going to learn to understand the concepts you espouse?

    • Deano 2.2

      Gosman: ‘it’s unjust, but I’m happy to leave the economic and legal framework that creates that injustice in place’

      How are then people meant to buy the capital, Gosman, when the top 10% have more combined wealth than the bottom 60%

      • Gosman 2.2.1

        Whine on all you like. I’m just offering an option for dealing with it. Of course you could just expropriate the wealth, (i.e. steal), from those nasty rich people. I wonder if Helen Kelly agree’s with this idea.

        • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1.1

          The nasty rich people stole it from everyone else in the first place. That’s why it’s expropriation because it’s taking back that which was already stolen.

        • mike e 2.2.1.2

          goose you mean like Goldman Sachs does that all over the world and gets away with it so we would be better off if we invested in Goldman Sachs as they are at the top of the pile when it comes to stealing every bodies money

  3. coolas 3

    As with the POA dispute, Helen Kelly, well articulates the struggle between Capital and Workers.

    ‘Social contract’ harks back to Hobbes and Locke and all those political reformers who came after them and fought so hard for the rights of Workers.

    Kelly’s telling us the contract is broken. She’s right. PAO and Talleys are blatantly attempting to reduce the rights of Workers in favour of higher dividends to invested Capital, and her example of one family profiting at the expense of thousands of other families is a perfect metaphor for how skewed the ‘social contract’ has become in favour of Capital.

  4. Tiger Mountain 4

    Those locked out families (“A” for pr effort) trying to meet the dirty filthy Talleys will need strong stomachs. Talleys have such disdain for working people and unions but I don’t imagine they will appear up on their hind legs in person unless against the odds the MWU injunction is granted prior.

  5. The trouble is where do you stop. My family has a lot more than others, including the family unit I grew up in, but if you want to redistribute my family’s wealth and disadvantage my family I wouldn’t be having it either.

    • Slap Shot 5.1

      Political philosophers have given various answers to where you stop. Here’s a couple of the more obvious ones to pick from.

      (1) “Redistribute until overall aggregate welfare cannot be maximised any further” (various utilitarians).

      (2) “Reduce inequalities until the worst off person in society would not be worse off under any other distribution of goods” (John Rawls).

      Both of these allow in theory for considerable market freedoms, a considerable degree of inequality and a considerable degree of meritocracy. Both however, make it (although in different ways) so that economic arrangements must work for pretty much everyone and not just the few. Once you start getting away from that, it’s not clear that you are describing a just economic order.

    • Uturn 5.2

      Do you understand English? You admit to what in essence is “wealth” being theft, but you think that if you stop thieving you’ll be disadvantaged under a “new” regime that – I can assure you – does not seek your private property. Exactly what do you think is happening to the people you steal from? Are they being disavantaged in any way, do you think? Or are you born superior, with a get of jail free card? Like Gosman, it’s quite simple to find out what is meant by private and public resources and fill the gap in your world view, but instead you’d rather stay ignorant, hold onto your religion, and claim someone is disadvantaging you.

      Do you honestly believe that capitalism came to dominance without violence, theft and oppression? That millions of people woke up one morning and said, hey, you know what, lets freely and peacefully dissolve thousands of years of organisational structure and let ourselves starve and give up the land we farm in favour of slave conditions in factories; lets reduce our relations between each other to an economic transaction, destroy our families, communities and sideline our women; all for the sake of forwarding the fortunes of a few self agrandised uber-men.

      You aren’t having it? You mean being asked to give up your theft?

    • Colonial Viper 5.3

      but if you want to redistribute my family’s wealth and disadvantage my family I wouldn’t be having it either.

      Except the correct analogy is if YOU wanted to redistribute the wealth of 1300 WORKING FAMILIES to further increase your OWN family’s already high level of wealth.

      In other words, the RICH Talley’s family are not the VICTIMS of this situation, the ORDINARY working families are, you lameass.

  6. mac1 6

    I wonder how much money Talley’s contributed to the campaign chests in the last election and to which parties. The Marlborough Express reported that the local National MP got $5000 but no other candidate got anything. Was this duplicated elsewhere?

    How much political influence is bought in this way?

  7. Draco T Bastard 7

    We need a new social contract.

    Yes we do, we need to get rid of the private ownership of land and businesses and replace it with communal ownership (land) and non-ownership (business, cooperative control). Somebody profiting from someone else’s labour needs to be made illegal – it’s already immoral.

    • Are saying it is immoral if I (hypothetically) were a small business owner with 3 staff members to make money from them working the store?

      • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1

        Yes.

        • TheContrarian 7.1.1.1

          Why? I pay them a salary based on the job they are doing and the hours they work. In turn I take a larger share as I pay the payroll tax, rent and electricity to house my shop. Please explain what is immoral about that.

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.1

            Workers should earn 100% of their economic output.

            • TheContrarian 7.1.1.1.1.1

              But what is immoral about providing someone a decent wage based upon the amount of work they are doing for me and the responsibility they are entrusted with?

              • Colonial Viper

                YOU’RE not providing the worker with a wage, the worker is providing YOU with a wage. Get the economic relationship correct for starters, ok.

                • Gosman

                  The good old Marxist canard of the labour theory of value. It goes to the heart of why Marxism never works in practice.

                • DJ

                  @ Viper – You’re an idiot. So Contrarian, who owns this fictitious business, takes a risk with his own money (whether earned or borrowed) and must receive no returns for it? So if the business collapses, the workers simply move on to the next business and the owner is bankrupted. How are we ever going to get people to create jobs?

                  Oh yeah that’s right, we’ll all just work for the government. What a plonker.

                  • crashcart

                    It seems to me that workers take as much if not more risk when they go into the employ of a small buisness owner who puts every thing on the line. the workers have families to feed and mortgages to pay too. If they lose their job it is just as difficult to find work as it is for the guy who’s buisness might fail. You want to know why the owner is less at risk. Because when things take a down turn he starts laying off workers. He is still in buisness. Still earning. The employees are fighting to feed their families and pay the mortgage long before the hard done by buisness owner who aparently is taking on all the risk to start a buisness even needs to cut back on his spending.

                    Open your eyes.

          • mike e 7.1.1.1.2

            Incontenaryan Nothing but wouldn’t it be nice if you could expand your business because more people had more money under right wing government less people have more money! Which equals less customers.

            • TheContrarian 7.1.1.1.2.1

              I am not supporting any political ideology, I am wondering how Draco can call it immoral.

              • Colonial Viper

                Your political ideology is amoral.

              • mike e

                Icotenaryan not according to your blog.
                I think he.s saying having that power over someone-else.

                • @Mike e – my blog doesn’t state a political ideology.

                  @Mike e + Viper: I don’t have power over someone else. I need help in my business so I can go out and find someone to fill in where I cannot be, for that I pay them a salary and afford them all the legal rights they are due as an employee. Both parties enter into this voluntarily and a legal, as well as social, contract is formed.
                  Just stating “that’s amoral” does not make it so. What is amoral/immoral about it?

                  • Colonial Viper

                    You are stealing the economic value of their labour and adding nothing except capital and bad management skills – which the workers could provide themselves.

                    Oh fuck explaining it to you, I’m just going to make it happen.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Oh fuck explaining it to you, I’m just going to make it happen.

                      You’re going to find a product or service for which consumers consider there to be a need and supply it to them and in the process borrow money, employ people, rent premises and manage inventory? All without taking anything for yourself?

                      Good on you.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Hey dense dude, of course I’m going to take for myself, I’m going to be a part owner in the enterprise after all, sitting on the Board as a director as well as a worker. “Collective” is short for collectively owned enterprise, ya know?

                      Shit you’re not really that smart are you.

                    • Gosman

                      Go on and do it then CV. Provide the practical evidence for the superiority of your proposed system. Somehow I doubt this will fly but good on you if you do give it a go. Let us know when you have set up your communial ownership business.

                    • DJ

                      He’ll never do it. All mouth ……

          • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1.3

            It’s not up to you to determine how much to pay them
            They’re the ones paying you
            They’re the ones paying the business’s bills

            Basically, a business needs to be a cooperative where everybody has a say rather than where one person is a dictator.

            • TheContrarian 7.1.1.1.3.1

              It isn’t up to me? Why not? Who says I am dictator?
              I am asking for assistance and those who provide the assistance will be duly compensated using my own moral compass which is to be fair, legal, and provide all the necessary adequate working conditions of which I pay for in order to facilitate my workers needs.
              There is nothing dictatorial about that.
              Yes they are paying me with their time and assistance to which we have agreed will be compensated through money. We have signed and created a social and physical contract.

              If someone pays me and three others to help painting a house does that mean I also have a right to dictate the colour and when it needs to be finished by?

              • higherstandard

                Nice pigeon chess.

              • RedLogix

                Someone’s missed the point utterly. The painting business can quite readily be an employee owned and managed cooperative … while at the same time meeting customers’ requirements around colour and completion.

                • No, you have missed the point. “The painting business can quite readily be an employee owned and managed cooperative” yes, but someone still has to hire you meaning you still have someone who is your boss and pays you.

                  • crashcart

                    Are you actually claiming that when you walk into KFC and order some chiken you become the cooks employer? Tell you what head on down and tell them that you want them to start cooking steak cause Dammit your the boss and see how far that gets you.

                    • Are you actually claiming that me purchasing KFC is somehow comparable to hiring a team to build a house for a fee after contract is drawn up to complete the work under the terms and conditions of both parties? I can fire my builders if I need to. I have contracted them by way of agreement. I am their employer. That isn’t comparable to purchasing fast food dude.

                  • RedLogix

                    An apology will do Contrarian….

                    • crashcart

                      apparently when it suits him he can act as though the employee/employer relationship and the customer/employee relationship are the same. In the very post I replied to he said that the person hiring painters to paint his house is the employer as opposed to the customer. Then when I pointed out the difference between the two he chose to act like he had said the painter boss ass opposed to the person wanting the painting done.

                      Yes if he is unhappy with the workers who his contractor hired to do the painting he can fire the contractor and hire a new one. That doesn’t mean he fired the workers. They still work for the contractor. Just as I can choose not to pay KFC for dinner tonight. That doesn’t mean I fired the guy behind the counter. I am just giving my money to someone else to do it.

                      Me Customer, KFC employer. you Customer, Painting contractor Employer.

                      Do you get the relationship now Mr Contrarian.

                  • McFlock
                     
                     

                    I am asking for assistance and those who provide the assistance will be duly compensated using my own moral compass which is to be fair, legal, and provide all the necessary adequate working conditions of which I pay for in order to facilitate my workers needs.

                    The issue is that you supply a “take it or leave it” offer based solely on your own “moral compass”. There are 150k unemployed, so your employees need you more than you need them. This shifts the power balance in your favour – to a certain extent yes you can “dictate” conditions.
                       
                    A cooperative, on the other hand, judges what counts as “duly compensated” using the collective “moral compass” of the employees themselves. Everyone has an equal vote. There is still the necessity for employment, but the balance is shifted back towards the employees. There are different roles within the cooperative (quality managers are still needed), but the power resides in the total membership of the cooperative, rather than simply being the product of the money you as an individual have in your bank account.
                     
                     
                     

                     
                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      I geddit. Collectives are brilliantly brilliant. Go fucking start one.

                    • McFlock

                      Still a bit of “looking out for me, fuck everyone else”. I’d much rather work towards an employment environment where the dictatorial power of the boss was better balanced by legislated and enforced rights for all workers.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Workers will have to follow through on their responsibilities as well. Which is why collectives are brilliant – workers will have the opportunity to do that as they will be the owners/managers too.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      I’d much rather work towards an employment environment where the dictatorial power of the boss was better balanced by legislated and enforced rights for all workers.

                      Only legislation needed:

                      1.) All businesses with more than one person in them are cooperatives.
                      2.) No one may have ownership in a business. They are self-owned and controlled by the workers. Each worker has equal say and responsibility in the running of the business.

                      trying to maintain the capitalist ownership model will just result in the system continuing to fail to work.

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    but someone still has to hire you meaning you still have someone who is your boss and pays you.

                    The customer hires the cooperative but isn’t the boss. The people doing the work are a cooperative and so there isn’t a boss there either.

                    Oh, look at that, no fucken bludging bosses.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      This appears to be where you and I differ – I still think there will be a need for management leadership, but regularly elected from the general workers.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      I’ve said time and time again that I think administration is vital. The administration would be part of the workers. What we don’t need is managers, bosses and owners – the dictatorial classes.

                    • McFlock

                      I guess that makes me slightly farther right wing than you, CV 🙂 – I don’t have a problem with professional managers employed long term (with real performance reviews, of course – that should surprise a few of our current “leaders”). I just don’t see why they should get twenty times the salary of the cleaners.

                • higherstandard

                  Yes it can, but why is the contrarian’s example immoral and why is the owner operator necessarily a ‘dictator’.

                  This is almost as batty as DTB’s we can make all the pharmaceuticals, vaccines, medical devices etc we need in NZ.

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  For fuck’s sake. No-one is stopping you starting a collective. It’s not illegal. Go and do it.

                  You won’t find anyone complaining about it.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Best to acquire the capitalists assets first.

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    Starting cooperatives is only one step, we also need to get rid of capitalism.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Well get on with step one. No-one is stopping you.

                    • Gosman

                      I think they much prefer to sit on the internet and bi#ch about the evils of capitalism rather than setting up an alternative, which is a little too much like hard work for them I suspect.

            • insider 7.1.1.1.3.2

              You’d think that if thats the way things ‘ought’ to be, then that model would continuously float to the top of the economic pile. But it doesn’t. Isn’t that possibly a clue that it is not the bes tmodel?

              • vto

                Oh, you mean float to the top like bankers and the free-market financial tools that led directly to the global financial meltdown floated to the top? Or do you mean float to the top like the dark ages did? Or do you mean float to the top like communism did in many countries?

                And anyway, you had better first describe the substrate in which this floating is meant to take place – is it like oil and water or water and cork or sand and boulders? Or is it just plain garden variety hot air?

                • DJ

                  What is your honest opinion of the large salaries that union leaders are apparently getting? Is this fair? Should the money not remian in the ownership of the contributors? Why is it that they are allowed to draw large salaries?

              • McFlock

                Darwinian capitalism is survival of the most fit for the corrosive environment, not survival of the model that is best for all concerned.
                    
                Nature is nature – but humans have the power to choose a better economic system, because economics are a solely human construct.
                 

              • Draco T Bastard

                Isn’t that possibly a clue that it is not the bes tmodel?

                Not when it’s been actively prevented. We had guilds (IMO, primitive cooperatives) – until they were outlawed at the behest of the capitalists.

                Think about it. Builders in Auckland are contractors often working for labour hire firms. Over this recession the amount paid for builders has dropped and many have lost homes due to this (they’ve been working, just not getting paid enough). Now, if all the building contractors got together as a cooperative and ensured that pay was kept up so that they could all look after themselves even when work was not in abundance (Construction work tends to be piecemeal and yet builders aren’t allowed to charge enough to cover downtime – instead we end up losing builders (just because the work isn’t there doesn’t mean that the people aren’t nor that they won’t be needed again)) they’d all be better off (and so would we as we wouldn’t be losing skills). Unfortunately, that’s illegal.

  8. Carol 8

    Helen Kelly really is sharp and on to it. I’m looking forward to seeing her on the first broadcast of The Union Report tonight.

    http://www.tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/union-report-8pm-tonight-on-triangle-tv.html

    Triangle TV is proud to announce “The Union Report”, a new current affairs show that looks at the news week through the lens of industrial relations.

    Hosted by blogger and controversial broadcaster Martyn Bradbury, the show will bring together dispute insiders, Union leaders and political commentators and politicians to provide an alternative analysis to traditional mainstream media coverage.

    Council of Trade Union President Helen Kelly, commentators Chris Trotter and Mike Williams will be joined by a changing panel of guests from EPMU, PSA, NZNO, Unite, First Union, SFWU, MUNZ, PPTA and CTU affiliates to discuss the weeks industrial activity from the worker’s perspective
    [..]
    The Union Report will play 8pm Monday on Triangle TV and simulcast on scoop.co.nz. It will also be loaded onto YouTube and available on Facebook and twitter.

    TONIGHT: CTU President Helen Kelly and MUNZ President Garry Parsloe.

    I hope this show lives up to its promise, but will be watching with interest, given the lack of good coverage of industrial relations in the MSM.

  9. chaz 9

    Lies damnable lies. The Median income in Nz is 42000. Althought I admit it does read a lot better to include the retired and beneficiaries to create your bullshit number. You must be one of those blokes that ‘worked out’ that the poor old wharfies weren’t really on 91k; right? ( yeah right).

    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      Hey chaz, good of you to make beneficiaries, the unemployed, youth workers, retired, part timers etc. invisible in your statistics. You know, like they are not real NZers and do not count by your standards.

      I know, here is a good idea, why don’t you also exclude everyone earning less than $100K pa from your statistics while you are at?

      That way, we’ll also have closed the wage gap with Australia and be waaaaay ahead of them.

    • felix 9.2

      Why would you exclude beneficiaries from the stats? Don’t they have to live on their incomes?

      In your version of the truth the median income goes up as unemployment goes up!

  10. John72 10

    McFlock seems to have the most realistic grasp. No manager is perfect and their greed is creating history. However, acting in the same manner as the Greedy Rich only endorses their actions. Every job needs a foreman but some people do not want to accept responsibility so we are stuck with managers.
    50 years ago the NZ dollar was US$1.2. Now we are selling our assets. Will someone, not a politician, explain what has happened to the economy that created the assets and what will happen when we run out of assets. How long before we are back to a one-car-family. A vechicle that is washed every week and kept in the garage.
    When defining the Affordable Standard Of Living, where do we draw the line. Our politicians are not setting an example,a role model. Europe, USA, Asia are all nervous. Past disasters have all started like an ordinary day. The stars fading, sun rising in the East. Suddenly something unusual happens.
    The Titanic, the Wahinie in Wellington, ANZ on Mt. Erabus, Earthquakes in Japan, S.E. Asia, New Zealand. Pearl Harbour,”9/11″ in USA. They all started as an ordinary day.
    Our current standard of living is far better than what we had 50 years ago but can we afford it? All bad news or forecasts are unpopular, however we have to face it. Today will not just keep on repeating itself. What is happening to our economy? It will change.
    Refer to The Road Less Travelled by M.Scott Peck. A Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth. In print for 35 years. Opening paragraph, 3 words. “Life is Dificult”.
    So many people think that the world owes them a living. They do not have to make an effort, but each day we create history.The world is always changing. Look at history.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      Only the hardy – physically and psychologically – are going to make it. Looking at the “consumers” in the local mall today…most of them would fall apart if told that the supermarkets were going to close for a week.

      Our current standard of living is far better than what we had 50 years ago but can we afford it?

      No we cannot. And it is the top 20%, led by the top 0.1% which we particularly cannot afford.

      Improvement in our civilisation has got to come from improvement in human relationships and in qualitative improvement in our lives – not from quantitative “economic growth”.

  11. John72 11

    Take an example. 50 years ago NZ developed Hydro Power lakes throughout the South Island and a High Tension electricity system to supply the country. Then sat back and admired it. This Winter, when there are power cuts, do not complain about the shortage, be grateful for what you have got.
    Who had the vision to do develop what we have? Who owned it 40 years ago? What are we doing now?

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  • Professional Internet Trolls being used to push manmade climate change lies
    Is the terrorist Organisation Greenpeace and the loony Green parties around the World hiring professional internet trolls? I have noticed a trend lately where if you post research, news articles or even comments that show the manmade climate change scam to be just that, you are immediately attacked, often within ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Strike!
    Today is the first day of the global climate strike. Led by schoolkids, people all around the world are going to protest to demand action on climate change. New Zealand isn't doing it till next Friday (join us!), but if you want to get active early, there's plenty to do ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Squandering our opportunity?
    The Herald has a story today about the 400 MW of wind power currently under construction. Good news, right? Except that none of it is being driven by policy (instead, its about replacing Contact Energy's Taranaki Combined Cycle gas-fired power plant, due to shut down in 2022), and most of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Protect The King!
    To Protect and Serve: When the Prime Minister finds herself enmeshed in the coils of a full-blown political scandal, her colleagues and party comrades have only one priority: to release her as swiftly – and with as little lasting injury – as possible. Is this what Jacinda Ardern’s colleagues and ...
    3 days ago
  • The rot at the top.
    When military leaders cover up and lie to elected civilian authorities, the foundation of democratic civil-military relations is undermined because it is those authorities who are entrusted to hold the military accountable to the public that they mutually serve. But this is only true if civilian political authorities take their ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    3 days ago
  • Challenging the voting age in court
    The Make It 16 campaign to lower the voting age is launching this afternoon, and they have already announced plans to challenge the law in court:The campaign, named "Make it 16" will launch at Parliament on Friday, with plans to take their case to the High Court, testing the rights ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Israel’s elections herald a long siesta
    by Daphna Whitmore The long years of Netanyahu’s reign are drawing to an end. For years he has epitomized reactionary zionism as he oversaw hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers seize land in the West Bank. There are now 700,000 settlers, putting an end to the myth that Israel was ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    5 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    5 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    7 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    7 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 week ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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