Bloomfield and the empire strikes back

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1. Wensleydale 1

   12 May 2020 at 12:13 pm

   Bridges wins at losing. Again. At least he's consistently useless and the government couldn't ask for a more inept Leader of the Opposition. Collins and friends must be inwardly seething.
2. Dennis Frank 2

   12 May 2020 at 12:29 pm

   Simple Simon: "the Government suspended the OIA (Official Information Act)”. Fact check: that didn't happen. He told a lie. It's okay to tell a lie in parliament, apparently, because it's a privileged system. It's his privilege to demonstrate that the role of the Leader of the Opposition is to be a liar. Officially.

   Okay, I could be wrong. Now that the DGH has explained: "I can assure the Committee that the Ministry of Health has not received any direction that the Official Information Act 1982 has been suspended". That could actually mean the govt did suspend the OIA but a junior staffer forgot to tell the ministry.
   • weka 2.1

     12 May 2020 at 12:59 pm

     If the government suspended the OIA, wouldn't we know about that? Wouldn't it require a legislative change?
     • weka 2.1.1

       12 May 2020 at 1:02 pm

       Some department bods were recommending it but it never happened.

       https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/04/24/1141603/officials-pitched-oia-suspension-during-lockdown
       • weka 2.1.1.1

         12 May 2020 at 1:02 pm

         Imagine same bods and Nat gov though.
       • Dennis Frank 2.1.1.2

         12 May 2020 at 1:47 pm

         In our reality. But according to the `many worlds' theory in physics, other realities may co-exist. Simon may be one of those special people adept at shifting between worlds. The downside being one forgets which world one is referring to sometimes… https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02602-8
   • Mark 2.2

     12 May 2020 at 1:50 pm

     Pretty sure that privilege only applies within the Chamber during debate, not within the House in general. I know JLR had to tread carefully when he did a presser on the tiles in the lobby about the Chinese money.
     • Dennis Frank 2.2.1

       12 May 2020 at 2:04 pm

       Thanks, that's an intriguing and crucial technical point. If you're right, Simon could therefore be guilty of misrepresenting the law (not just misrepresenting the govt).

       I trust a top legal authority will be sufficiently on the ball to spot this and deliver a swift rap over Simon's knuckles!
   • Incognito 2.3

     12 May 2020 at 8:20 pm

     A lie is knowingly making a false statement.
     • Dennis Frank 2.3.1

       13 May 2020 at 5:42 am

       But if he were to plead "I honestly believe(d) that "the Government suspended the OIA (Official Information Act)", which is why I declared that they did", who would believe him? The Nat caucus??

       I appreciate that you are making a moral point. If he was not lying, the only viable alternative explanation is that he is delusional – in which case he becomes a candidate for referral to a psychiatrist.

       And I can't see any likelihood of a delusional person qualifying as a crown prosecutor. Perhaps that's naive of me? Someone may argue that to take law seriously one must be delusional because it goes with the territory…
       • Incognito 2.3.1.1

         13 May 2020 at 11:42 pm

         Perhaps he was projecting his experience and perception that, in his eyes, the OIA had effectively been suspended, more or less, not formally or officially in a literal sense. The word “suspended” can have so many meanings that ever so slightly and subtly differ.
3. roblogic 3

   12 May 2020 at 12:50 pm

   Bridges is trying to build a conspiracy narrative around the government's extraordinary powers in a state of emergency, but can't keep his story straight.

   Wasn't he a practising lawyer? Would've been an easy ride in Court for his opponents
   • Sacha 3.1

     12 May 2020 at 1:28 pm

     Goodness knows how many crims got off while that clown was a prosecutor.
4. Peter 4

   12 May 2020 at 1:06 pm

   Bridges pleased that there is a cap of 10 people meeting socially in Covid level 2?

   Do you underestimate at the same time you overestimate?

   If it's the National Party Caucus surely they'll be able to have up to 20 in the room seeing as they're a pack of halfwits!
   • mac1 4.1

     12 May 2020 at 1:53 pm

     And the rest can join by Twitter, as that's where twits witter on.

     I can imagine the National Party caucus BBQ on Friday, 6 groups of up to ten. There would be Mitchell's Musketeers, Bennett's Corner, Coleman's Muster, Smith's Dream, Goldsmith's Standardiers and Adams' Artificers. Waiting in the shadows Luxon's Factors and of course Bridges' nowhere to be seen.

     The gas has been lit and the hot plate is sizzling….
     • Sacha 4.1.1

       12 May 2020 at 1:59 pm

       Spit-roast.
       • Clive Macann 4.1.1.1

         12 May 2020 at 10:34 pm

         Well with no more than 10 in a group then it would SPLIT roast.
     • RosieLee 4.1.2

       12 May 2020 at 2:16 pm

       And Collins would have the Chinese takeaway.
     • Dukeofurl 4.1.3

       12 May 2020 at 2:47 pm

       Coleman jumped ship soon after the election, remember the Northcote by-election
       • mac1 4.1.3.1

         12 May 2020 at 3:07 pm

         Darn, why let a fact get in the way of a good pun? The alternatives were Collins' Diggers (Northland Kauri Division) and Brownlees' Bouncers.
         Coleman’s Muster were out looking for condiments for the ham.
       • KJT 4.1.3.2

         12 May 2020 at 7:10 pm

         Went to dine on the pork.
5. Reality 5

   12 May 2020 at 1:29 pm

   Well done Dr Bloomfield in your Clear response to Bridges’ rant and also making it public.
6. Gabby 6

   12 May 2020 at 2:25 pm

   Now Slick will have a go at him for publicising his response and thus trampling on his freedims and pryvacies.
7. Incognito 7

   12 May 2020 at 2:42 pm

   I thought there were only three people in the National Caucus: Simon, Paula, and David!?
8. Ffloyd 8

   12 May 2020 at 2:51 pm

   Except that Simon would probably call it his 'privates"
9. aj 9

   12 May 2020 at 6:28 pm

   I think this exchange between Bridge and Bloomfield was interesting too – and would have added to Bloomfield's frustration. He had already addressed this very issue in the previous question…

   Bridges But you really, unless I’m sort of listening wrong, haven’t given me a concrete health basis for why, on 6 May, we’re still at level 3 rather than a greater degree of openness, which is obviously so much better economically, but also in terms of wider health and social impacts.

   Bloomfield So just go back to my earlier answer about that 14-day incubation period, which we use, for example, for our self-isolation period, our quarantine, or our managed self-isolation at the airport. So 11 May will be 14 days following that step-down when we did loosen up with the step-down into alert level 3, and that is a very important period of time. It will be only later this week that it will become obvious whether or not that loosening has led to us identifying or there being any ongoing community transmission—

   Bridges Rather than your say-so, where can I find some science and some health evidence about a 14-day incubation period? I’m not aware of any.

   (That question resulted in a very short WTF look from Bloomfield…)

   Bloomfield Well, I’m very happy to provide the literature—which has been there right from early on in this outbreak, before it was even declared a pandemic—that the outer limit of when someone who might have been infected starts to display symptoms is 14 days. Most people display symptoms within the first—the average is five to six days, but there is a long tail, and that is what we are watching for, and that’s why the 14-day period is used right around the world for that period of isolation.
10. aj 10

    12 May 2020 at 6:34 pm

    And good on Michael Wood towards the end…

    Wood Thank you, Mr Chair. Touching on a couple of areas, the first I want to come to is the issue that was canvassed at the beginning of the session around public health communications. And I want to start out, actually, by putting this on record: that I regard, and I think many people regard, the suggestions in the earlier line of questioning—that you have been obstructive in this regard or that you’re acting as some kind of a front for political masters—to be a baseless slur on the work that you’ve done.

    Bridges I don’t think anyone said that—

    Wood Mr Bridges, you had your say, and I’m just putting my views on record about that line of questioning. What I want to come to in terms of the public health communications is that clearly has been one of the success stories of our management of COVID, and there’s been international recognition of that this week. We are now about six weeks into pretty serious restrictions. There’s potentially a decision next week which moves us further down the chain.
11. aj 11

    12 May 2020 at 6:37 pm

    And finally, addressing the largely mythical belief that Australian is much more open…

    Bloomfield I think we traversed this two or three weeks ago, and I think, actually, the Australian position is much more similar to the New Zealand position than perhaps is the perception. And it will be very interesting to see, because they’re in the same position, in parallel with us, as looking at how to loosen up safely. And I know that my counterparts in Australia are at the same time as us developing advice for their Government about how to do that in a whole range of settings, and to do so safely—

    Bridges How can you possibly say that it is remarkably similar, when mining, construction, retail, all manner of activity has stayed in place the entire time? It has been palpably different in its economic approach to COVID-19 to New Zealand. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

    Bloomfield Well, I think there’s a difference between those industries being open—and particularly, say, retail—and the extent to which that has actually been supported by the restrictions on people’s movement. And in fact, some of the restrictions there has been on people’s movement there have been even more constraining than our own. So groups of no more than two people, for example, has had the equivalent effect of the bubble. I mean, it’s another way of describing the bubble approach that we’ve taken in New Zealand.
    • Sacha 11.1

      12 May 2020 at 9:32 pm

      Please knock off all the bolding.
      • Incognito 11.1.1

        12 May 2020 at 9:43 pm

        Better?
      • aj 11.1.2

        12 May 2020 at 9:58 pm

        Ok Sacha, I did consider the point you made about bold txt recently to me, but I wanted to emphasis the main points and that was hard to do with minimal bolding.

        Thanks Icognito and I will use italics if necessary again
        • Incognito 11.1.2.1

          12 May 2020 at 10:04 pm

          
12. Barfly 12

    12 May 2020 at 6:57 pm

    Oh ffs

    Bridges Rather than your say-so, where can I find some science and some health evidence about a 14-day incubation period? I’m not aware of any.

    (That question resulted in a very short WTF look from Bloomfield…)

    Who the fuk is this cretin?

    Does he not read?

    Does his uber important weekly travel drain whatever brain cells he had?

    FFS

    I say again FFS
    • Chris 12.1

      12 May 2020 at 7:15 pm

      If Bridges ends up PM we'll be right up there with the same calibre of leader as US, UK and Australia.
    • I Feel Love 12.2

      12 May 2020 at 7:21 pm

      Very Trumpian, suspicious of science, and to paraphrase Key "you may say that, but I could find another scientist who disagrees".

      & comparing NZ & Aus is like apples & oranges, yet it's what Bridges is doing.
13. aj 13

    12 May 2020 at 7:14 pm

    He is either as thick as pigshit, or he pretending to be that thick, a dog whistle to his base,and it does no credit to his party and it's support base.
14. That_guy 14

    12 May 2020 at 10:59 pm

    See that's why I'm here, first example of an actual link to the letter.

    Primary sources FTW.
15. aj 15

    13 May 2020 at 9:02 am

    Full video and transcript

    Epidemic Response Committee Meeting Recording and Hansard Transcript: Thursday 7 May
16. Observer Tokoroa 16

    13 May 2020 at 9:16 am

    Deliberate negligence – Simon

    Is Simon Bridges really a competent lawyer ? and a truly competent human being ?

    Further, does Simon have the right to insult and verbally attack Dr Bloomfield every time he attempts to open his national mouth.

    Whilst living comfortably in Parliament, Simon Bridges has aided and abetted the appalling attack on the life of most New Zealanders, by providing:

    no Housing, Inadequate Food, Shocking Cruelty committed by those impossible national friends – the Land Lords, and by endorsing venomous low wages.

    Simon has gone through a door marked "Complete Failure"
    • aj 16.1

      13 May 2020 at 9:22 am

      Rather than your say-so….

      Translation – 'I don't trust you'.

      Bloomfield's answer was restrained under the circumstances.
17. mike 17

    13 May 2020 at 9:29 am

    When in hell are they going to can this committee?
    It's been run like a bloody circus.

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