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Botany & Titbits

Written By: - Date published: 1:26 pm, January 14th, 2011 - 28 comments
Categories: by-election, national, political parties - Tags: , , ,

The New Citizen Party is going to contest Botany, and aims to get at least 6 MPs in the general election.  Their plan just announced in Beijing involves winning Botany, and “our party leaders will then be talking with Maori tribes to also get their party votes for us to get at least six candidates as MPs at this year’s election.”  Quite why Aotearoa’s oldest citizens would support a New Citizen’s party isn’t made clear.

But ultimately nobody knows quite where to place them.  Can they win reasonable support in a seat like Botany, where more than half the population are migrants?  Other parties have had trouble reaching far into the East Asian diaspora.  What sort of party will they be?  Their general philosophy seems reasonably conservative, but they have no policies yet (indeed they’re still putting their executive committee together), and include ex-Labour Stephen Ching in their founders.  Perhaps, they envisage something like the Maori Party, where members can hold completely different opinions and it somehow doesn’t matter?  (Even if they can’t commit to providing a government with all their votes, and it leaves constituents not knowing what they’re voting for).  If they’re appealing for Maori voters they’ll be harshly resisted by the Maori party of course…

Certainly it’ll be interesting to see which candidates line up on February 8.  Kenneth Wang was third with 4717 votes in 2008, and has been asked to stand again – if he does, he’ll be targeting a lot of the same voters as NCP, although he’ll now be dragged back by the ACT brand.  Having had a corrupt MP, the voters probably don’t want to vote for the party of allowance-abusing Hide and the baby ID stealer.

Just in case anyone hasn’t seen it: Dan News has Maggie Barry’s new billboard ready to go.  There is no other electorate she could contest really.  Obviously this will be more evidence for the Right-Wing of the complete left wing bias of Radio NZ.  Or maybe won’t be mentioned in their arguments…

Sandra Goudie is retiring.  Never made much of an impression after ousting Jeanette Fitzsimons from Coromandel.  She lists her achievements in 9 years as an MP as the Whangamata Marina so opposed by many locals, surfers and environmentalists, and the Kopu Bridge that Labour approved.  Teh Herald nicely credit her in their photo as a Labour MP, which I’m sure Labour won’t thank them for… good to see editing standards at their best.

[Edit: Herald’s now fixed caption]

28 comments on “Botany & Titbits ”

  1. Jono 1

    Re Goudie, don’t forget cutting down mangroves without a consent 😉

    A captcha twofer: “sticks”. Works for Botany and mangrove chopping 🙂

  2. Phil Lyth 2

    “more than half the population are migrants”, came originally from NCP and Shipley’s associates.

    Let’s look at facts:
    (all rounded)
    Botany total population at 2006 census was 57k
    4k born un UK, Ireland
    4k born in Pacific Islands
    9k born in N-E Asia – China Taiwan Hong Kong Korea Japan
    11k born elsewhere overseas unspecified

    27k total overseas born. 12k been in NZ for over 10 years, only 9k had arrived in last five years.

    So hardly the picture implied by the NCP backers.

    Info from

  3. Adrian 3

    Anybody else pissed off about a party to contest a NZ election being set up and run from a foreign capital? If there were any doubts about Winnie getting past the 5, he’ll now be heading for 10+, and you can’t call it xenophobia or Asian bashing as if this had happened in London or Sydney or New York we should also be very, very concerned.

    • marco 3.1

      Very good point actually. I’m all for interest groups setting up political wings, but questions do have to start being asked when those political parties are based overseas.

      Having said that, I wonder how much overseas funding is channelled into the existing political set-up.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.2

      That should be illegal. In fact, any connection (funding/support) with foreign powers/people should be illegal for a party contesting a NZ election.

      • Bunji 3.2.1

        Britain has laws against any foreign funding whatsoever. That sounds good to me/ Cutting off Lord Ashcroft (from National) wouyld be a good start.

        • Bunji ;Your mention of Lord Ashcroft is worth looking in to.. Has he helped National with election funds.? I have no proof but my gut feeling says yes. Remember the covert meeting with Key just before the last election? He’s a crafty Right-Winger and has his fingers in many Right -Wing Political movements. He is a past Chairperson of the Pacific Democratic Union and is deeply involved in Trextor/Crosby. The National Party has membership of both these organizations.

          Ashcroft has interests and ownerships of many insurance companies so why not ACC.??

    • Set up in a foreign capital and run out of The Great Hall of the People. But of course China isn’t expansionist and wouldn’t dream of meddling in the internal politics of another nation. I must try popping over to China and forming a “Westerners for Democracy” party and seing how far I get.

      And yes, this’ll open the way for Winston… hell, there’s even a part of me that’s now hoping for a comeback of NZF in Botany, just so someone can tell this lot, in no uncertain terms, where to go.

    • Rich 3.4

      People have a right to run for election and vote for who they like. Or not.

      It’s the voters who decide in the end, and that right shouldn’t be interfered with.

  4. tc 4

    yes Marco like where does SST get it’s dosh from as an example as it’s effectively a branch of ACT.

    • That’s absolutely untrue, tc.

      It’s completely obvious that Act has, in fact, become the political wing of the SST and not the other way round. Think of it as our local Hamas… a front for people who’re keen on chopping the hands off thieves, stoning adulterers* etc.

      * Special exemption for MPs, of course.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1.1

        ACT has split into two factions , the Bolsheviks and Menshiviks, after itself being an offshoot of the Social Democratic Labour Party.
        The Bolsheviks later split into other factions , one known as the Otzovists…..

  5. Rharn 5

    Any political party that is founded in another (China) country can not have our national interests at heart but then what can you expect when we have a free trade agreement with China at our expense.

    I think it’s called ‘outsourcing.’

  6. ghostwhowalksnz 6

    the NCP is just a way to raise money from Chinese businesses…. now that ‘Sampan’ has gone there is a niche left to be filled.
    It will probably end up in Nationals coffers anyway, via the usual methods as payoffs

  7. Anne 7

    You could be right about that gwwnz. However I agree with Adrian @ 2:39pm. That famous Winston Peters grin will be so wide at the moment, it will threaten to split into two!

    Hey Rex, Act have had MPDs since their inception. I know because I witnessed it first hand 😀

    Captcha: VOTE
    Jesus.

    • I thought they did but they’d changed the process, Anne? Or was that just the “primary” concept? But then how do you explain Garrett? (How does anyone explain Garrett? A radioactive spider bite, only from a particularly venemous spider? 😀 )

      Actually (not doubting you, but because I’m interested) do you have a link to a document that sets out the process they do use? I’d like to give credit where it’s due.

      • Anne 7.1.1

        Hi Rex. Picked up your message only this evening.
        As a relative newcomer to the internet, my expertise when it comes to linking etc. still has a way to go. Being of the ‘older school’ doesn’t help.

        Unfortunately I’ve tossed most of the Act stuff I accumulated over the 3 year period I was involved with the Party, but I did keep some discussion papers that relate to Foreign Affairs, Defence and Disarmament. They span a period between 1995 and 1997 and they make for very interesting reading. You’re welcome to hard copies if it can be arranged.

        In the first 2 to 3 years of Act’s existence, it was dominated by the ‘liberal’ faction. They were economically dry but socially quite liberal. They provided most of the intellectual grunt of course, and it was after they were ‘seen off the premises’ that Act’s fortunes started to slide. If they had been allowed to maintain their domination, Act would be a different party today and there would have been no David Garretts. But I can look back now and appreciate their wealthy financial backers were never going to allow that domination to continue. Their aim from the start was to provide an MMP partner for National and there was going to be none of this intellectual liberalism thank-you very much. I recall being told of a heated argument Alan Gibbs had with a senior official over Act’s original social policies. He claimed they were socialist in content (they were not) and had to be dropped. They were dropped and the authors disappeared from the scene not too long afterwards.

        Act went from being socially liberal, to becoming reactionary conservatives, and finally they regressed into neanderthalism all in the space of about ten years. 😀

        That’s what I meant by my comment “Act have had MPDs since their inception.”

  8. Irascible 8

    Botany will be interesting this by election as the media, and NCP, are punditing that it is a safe Nat seat based on the Wong majority only.
    The seat has not been through enough electoral cycles to demonstrate a consistent fundamental conservative bias and, as the by election was caused by the Wongs being caught abusing the taxpayer to benefit their own financial agendas, it is possible that the electorate could punish National for their support of corruption as well as swinging away from the policies espoused by Key as such policies would be seriously affecting many voters there whose socio-economic status would be being attacked by the NACT “appear to give but solidly take” policies.
    Ching’s activities in Botany would not be appreciated by the Asian community and should be condemned by the electorate in general as they would see the NCP as a suspicious entry in the NZ political scene.

    • It will be most interesting if Labour puts up a well known and popular candidate . The Chinese community have been shamed (through no fault of theirs ) but the backlash is going to be really worth watching.I bet Key is practising very hard at his wave and smile.

  9. GNZ 9

    I imagine labour doesn’t want to put a good candidate up for botany because they will probably loose anyway, better for the election to be low profile and low cost. Tht isnt that bad – you cant win every electorate.

    I suspect botany is pretty safe for national and as per Phil this party doesnt stand much of a chance – worse yet as per DPF they will not have much of a chance to get many ofthe recent imigrants due to the fact that you wont get many non mainland chinese to vote for a party that organizes in china. thy probably get 5% or somthing of the vote and dissapear with a whimper all the better for national I suppose if they can make the election look like a competition before they romp home in a landslide.

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