Daily review 04/04/2023

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1. SPC 1

   4 April 2023 at 5:53 pm

   Until 2021/2022 those who wanted to change their birth certificate sex ID had to go through a Family Court process.

   Now they do not.

   Some people – often citing practice overseas – seem to imagine all sorts of consequences.

   Yet ..

   Questions about the implications of self-identification for service providers

   What does the new law say about how service providers should consider birth certificates as evidence of sex or gender?

   The new legislation clarifies how birth certificates can be used as evidence of sex or gender. Where service providers need to determine someone’s sex or gender,

   other factors can be considered over and above the sex listed on a birth certificate.

   This reflects the fact that birth certificates are not intended to be considered evidence of a person’s identity (usually birth certificates are provided with other documents such as a driver licence or passports to prove identity).

   What will self-identification mean for single sex spaces and activities such as changing rooms and sports teams?

   The self-identification process should not affect how access to single sex spaces or sports is determined. Birth certificates are not usually used to determine a person’s right to access single sex services or spaces.

   Organisations and individuals can continue to rely on their own policies rather than birth certificates. For example, it is still up to individual governing bodies to determine how sex and gender are determined in sport. It is also still up to individual schools to discuss with learners, parents, caregivers and whānau what name and gender learners use, regardless of the details on their birth certificates.

   How will self-identification affect the placement of people in prison?

   The self-identification process should not affect the placement of people in prison. Corrections is exploring a policy change to ensure birth certificates are not an overriding consideration in placement decisions. Any changes will come into force alongside the self-identification process.

   https://www.dia.govt.nz/bdmreview—Frequently-asked-questions
   • Shanreagh 1.1

     4 April 2023 at 7:20 pm

     I for one am well aware of this and that it does not meet the concerns of many women.

     Many of us know that there is little option for women if a male comes into our spaces. We have to accept that they have something identifying themselves as a woman or they just may mock, pretend and frighten. The comment about safe spaces tells us nothing, possibly or probably because the govt does not see it as an issue and is not going to do anything or give guidance to local authorities about creating safer spaces for all. After all Govt did nothing in the No Debate issue to reassure women, in fact it seems to have disregarded all/many of the submissions from women on it. Visubversa had an analysis on this.

     The safe spaces legislation is not covered in the gender self ID act.

     'The self-identification process should not affect the placement of people in prison. Corrections is exploring a policy change to ensure birth certificates are not an overriding consideration in placement decisions. Any changes will come into force alongside the self-identification process.'

     I mentioned this the other day and linked to the Corrections Policy which is sensible in preventing transwomen, especially those with convictions for assault and sexual assault on females at the moment being housed with women.

     I mentioned then my concern that sensible policies may be those where legal action may take place to prevent this policy as it does not provide for transwomen to have automatic access to women's prisons to serve their time. It also segregates prisoners, which is an expensive mode of prison operation.

     I did hear, but not sure where ie NZ or overseas, where some jurisdictions are planning on housing transwomen together subject to prisoner risk analysis and this will allow them to mix in their own population and have access to other people rather than being segregated. Segregation in singles is not humane, in my view, long term as humans are social creatures. It is also more expensive.

     But untransitioned males or those who self identify as female but who have not partially or completely transitioned are a danger to women.
     • mickysavage 1.1.1

       4 April 2023 at 9:14 pm

       I have a client who is clearly a woman apart from some residue biological issues who has been trying to get her birth certificate corrected for a few years but the state of the law until now has prevented this from happening.

       She is not a threat to anyone. The only threat posed would be from males to her if she used a male public toilet.

       This is a good change.
       • Shanreagh 1.1.1.1

         4 April 2023 at 9:28 pm

         There was a pathway prior to this BDM amendment being enacted. I am not sure why your client do not take advantage of that, as an acquaintance/work mate did years ago.

         It was a long-ish process in years (5 I think) but sensible and practical in the requirements to live as the other gender get JPs to sign declarations etc. The main argument, fallacious in my view, was that the declarations and doctors certificates cost money.

         She need not have waited until 15/6.
       • Visubversa 1.1.1.2

         4 April 2023 at 10:10 pm

         If your client has a DSD the law allows a change of birth certificate. And no-one is required to produce a birth certificate to use a public toilet. Birth certificates are not a proof of identity as anybody can get a copy of anyone's birth certificate.

         Many of them actually specify that they are not proof of the identity of the person presenting them.

         That is not a good arguement.
       • Anker 1.1.1.3

         5 April 2023 at 9:38 am

         Mickey, where was your condemnation of the violence meeted out to peaceful protesters in Albert Park? The 70 year old women who was repeatedly punched.

         I don't know what you mean by clearly a women apart from some residual biological features? Can you elaborate?

         Again you appoint yourself as the person who is best to decide who should and shouldn't be allowed to use women only spaces. Its not appreciated
         • SPC 1.1.1.3.1

           5 April 2023 at 11:34 am

           Nor do you decide, the definition of woman, for that purpose.

           It's an irony that those people who mock politicians over the definition of women – are themselves campaigning to make the legal definition that of biological sex, when enabling gender ID change on drivers licences and passports has been around for years. Which is what politicians have to speak to.

           Part of the reason the birth certificate change is so unimportant is that it is less evidential of ID than a photo based DL or passport. And now that people can change their birth sex, it will be less and less influential.
           • weka 1.1.1.3.1.1

             5 April 2023 at 3:02 pm

             the ID changes are a legal fiction. No-one can change their sex, they can only change the marker on the ID.

             If we remove the meaning of the word woman, what will we call women?
         • Michael P 1.1.1.3.2

           6 April 2023 at 2:40 am

           "I don't know what you mean by clearly a women apart from some residual biological features? Can you elaborate?"

           Bet it's adam's apple and big hands. That's how i've almost always known.
       • left for dead 1.1.1.4

         5 April 2023 at 10:40 am

         mickey savage,

         Did you or did you not put up a link to a Y/T video about punching people as comic relief.
         • weka 1.1.1.4.1

           5 April 2023 at 3:02 pm

           why don't you link and then we can see what you are talking about.
           • SPC 1.1.1.4.1.1

             5 April 2023 at 3:10 pm

             It's about the Aamer Rahman video in the post he did back in March

             .https://thestandard.org.nz/debating-with-nazis/

             It's a comedian talking about the topic of debating with Nazis, or punching Nazis.
           • left for dead 1.1.1.4.1.2

             5 April 2023 at 5:21 pm

             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKICKcMU3MU
             has this worked ?
             From,debating with nazis

             Snap SPC
       • SPC 1.1.1.5

         5 April 2023 at 11:24 am

         Mickey she would only need to either present as female, or have gender female on a drivers licence or passport.
2. joe90 2

   4 April 2023 at 6:15 pm

   Luxon had not been made aware my arse.

   //

   National Party officials were aware the party’s Maungakiekie candidate Greg Fleming had previously compared same sex civil unions to incest and polygamy.

   The remarks were made in 2004 when Fleming was the managing director of the Maxim Institute, a socially conservative think tank, and Fleming subsequently distanced himself from them.

   On Tuesday morning, National Leader Christopher Luxon was blindsided by the comments, having not been made aware of them. He also distanced himself from the remarks, saying he supported civil unions and same sex marriage

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-party-aware-candidate-compared-civil-unions-to-polygamy-and-incest/E53I7JGYUFGMNDBDY26NTLJ4P4/
3. Shanreagh 3

   4 April 2023 at 6:59 pm

   A good article by Ani O'Brien on the difficult question that the PM was asked yesterday

   https://plainsight.nz/who-is-chris-hipkins-so-afraid-of/
   • SPC 3.1

     4 April 2023 at 7:12 pm

     With Barry Soper retiring, our press gallery is now an homogenous blob with little political diversity or perspective.

     Political diversity and perspective comes those of the ilk of Barry Soper – why not add in Mike Hosking and Sean Plunkett and Karl du Fresne.
     • Shanreagh 3.1.1

       4 April 2023 at 7:30 pm

       Is Hosking a member of the Press Gallery…..don't think so. They may have ZB or where ever he is from, stringer down here. I think Sean Plunkett is accredited . Not sure about Karl du Fresne but don't think he is Press Gallery.

       Barry Soper was always classed in recent times as the old man of the Press Gallery. PG are the ones based in Parliament. Other journos can I think get or use their own accreditations to go to PM's or anyone Minister's press conferences but this does not mean they are members of the Press Gallery. They are members of the Press……a difference.
       • SPC 3.1.1.1

         4 April 2023 at 7:38 pm

         Karl du Fresne is ex MSM and a critic of the press gallery (but mentioned in the Bryce Edwards newsletter) presumably for the diversity – Karl du Fresne, neither being young, nor a a graduate.
   • Anker 3.2

     4 April 2023 at 8:17 pm

     Excellent article Shanreagh
4. SPC 4

   4 April 2023 at 7:00 pm

   The Oz RBG decides on pausing its rate rises at 3.5% to 3.6%. Presumably so as not ensure a slow down, but not a recession.

   Ours has gone from 0.5% to 4.75% (another 0.25% rise). This despite the fact we can expect the March quarter result to place us in a recession.

   A rise in our dollar value to Oz will reduce export revenues.

   https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/04/04/australia-pauses-key-interest-rate-at-36-after-10-hikes/

   Here we have people talking about another 0.25% rise to 5%, and an increase to 5.25% more likely than pause there.

   Yet a few voices say that would be wrong and an over-reaction now, because of too lax a policy earlier, is not a a way to undo the mistake made.

   https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/04/04/reserve-bank-steps-into-deep-waters-set-for-11th-straight-rates-hike/
5. adam 5

   4 April 2023 at 7:13 pm

   Rather than fund hospitals and create meaningful work, Ecuador says bugger poor people. It has given free licence to armed militias to sort out indigenous groups, unions, priests and nuns for the government.

   Why bother with good governance when you can have the population live in fear.

   https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ecuadors-lasso-authorizes-civilian-use-guns-citing-insecurity-2023-04-02/
6. Belladonna 6

   4 April 2023 at 7:20 pm

   And this is the consequence of the delayed early childhood vaccination programme in NZ – babies dying.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/third-baby-dies-from-whooping-cough-concerns-that-disease-is-spreading-undetected/GI44JOYEOZDMJDTO6KLNKFVCQ4/

   I would speculate that the drop in vaccinations overall, and especially in Maori communities is due to two factors: the lockdowns meaning that routine vaccinations weren't offered, and that the system has never really got back into gear subsequently; and the distrust of all vaccinations which has been the outcome of the mandatory Covid vaccination programme amongst some sectors of the population.
   • SPC 6.1

     4 April 2023 at 7:35 pm

     Another factor maybe declining or delay in access to a GP.
7. Incognito 7

   4 April 2023 at 10:00 pm

   We live in interesting times.

   Marama got knocked over by a motorcycle and is in the dog-box.

   Tova has been fucked and lost her job.

   Chippy failed the Tinder Test.

   Winston could not say “No!” to Lizzie.

   And Sean is riding the groundswell of … popularity.
   • SPC 7.1

     4 April 2023 at 10:05 pm

     Yup, Plunkett getting lift off despite a lack of nurses and via profit made in ECE delivery via Wright wing propaganda.

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