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Overview of the current situation: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/political-parties-weigh-in-on-m-ori-co-governance-model-for-three-waters.html
It features a geographical map of the proposed regional governance structure.
In effect, this is implementation of the co-governance principle evident in Te Tiriti .
Its leader expressed this view:
Private property rights are based on English ancestry, of course. Seymour is pretending he's too ignorant to be aware of that. Otoh he could be pretending that he knows, but feels it's better to not admit it and front as a hypocrite instead.
Sounds like the Greens are on board in principle, eh?
And there goes another five points, I can hear ACT whistling already!
Get real. ACT has been dropping in the polls, not rising. All them rats that deserted the sinking ship Judith have been scurrying back to National.
Yes, is not going to move votes from Labour to ACT, but it might push a few more to National, there is enough pushing already.
I agree it could easily shift more floating centrists towards National. However it's just as likely that eliminating the mandate (eventually) could shift a few back as well. All depends on the balance of likes & dislikes in the minds of the deeply shallow sheeple any day they get polled…
Is someone who lost their job due to the mandates going to move back? I think it might be one of those issues that really hardens who someone wont vote for.
Dunno if you noticed, but Trotter has this view:
However
Shaping up to be a fun year, eh?
No, not in the least bit fun at all! Unless it’s a slightly maniacal hysterical kind of laugh, he he heee.
If you thought 20 and 21 were crap, hang on to your hat, we haven’t seen anything yet, the shit storm is going from a cat 5 to a cat 6.
You suggest that Seymour might "front as a hypocrite instead".
Why would he be a hypocrite? Is it because he opposes special rights for Maori based on the fact that they have Maori ancestry, even though he is Maori himself and could benefit?
Is anyone who doesn't take advantage of everything they can get a hypocrite?
Is Bob Jones a hypocrite because he doesn't line up for National Super?
I was presuming his statement was one of principle: that different rights for people based on ancestry is wrong. Since English property rights are of ancestral origin for pakeha, and not for Maori, they are wrong – according to his principle. Since he believes in those property rights his belief is contradicted by his statement. Therefore he's being hypocritical.
I suppose we ought to be charitable and acknowledge the technical possibility that his self-contradiction was performed unconsciously?
You tell us that "English property rights are of ancestral origin for pakeha, and not for Maori".
I cannot understand what on earth you are trying to say here. It ignores the Treaty of Waitangi, among no doubt many other things.
English property rights presumably are held by pakeha in New Zealand because they were British subjects. Hence, according to article 3 of the Treaty every Maori has all those rights as well The treaty says " imparts to them all the Rights and Privileges of British Subjects.". How could pakeha therefore now have some right that Maori don't share?
Seymour's statement was "different sets of political rights for people based on ancestry has got to be one of the most backwards steps any country can take".
Yet the whole point of the Treaty was to preserve each different set of ancestral rights. Perhaps the confusion is in his mind but it could equally be widely shared. There's also the two different versions. I presume you are quoting the English version whereas the Maori version frames it differently. Maori political stances are generated by their version…
"I presume you are quoting the English version whereas the Maori version frames it differently".
Yes I am. On the other hand I have never seen any review of the treaty that has offered any objection to the Maori version and the English of article 3 being treated as conveying any difference in their meaning.
If you think they do please tell us your objection and where can you show support for your claim.
And while you are at it please provide some support for your proposal that “the whole point of the Treaty was to preserve each different set of ancestral rights”. Who, apart from you, holds that view?
Anyone who reads the history. It was an agreement between the monarch & the chiefs. That's why the two types of sovereignty became the primary issue. The respective bodies of rights derive from the respective sovereignties. Remember that Maori land was held in common. The English also had common land in feudal society.
As regards possible interpretations of clauses, that's a can of worms for lawyers & advocates of both sides of the binary. I don't go there due to believing holism works better than dualism.
At this point of the process it's best for us to treat it as spectator sport, I reckon. Let's see how the Maori cabal deals with their pakeha colleagues first. If they get consensus we can take it seriously. Until then it's just Labour Maori doing their thing…
Not at all, it was about Sage giving a quote with which I imagine used as –
Don't vote Labour/Green they are going to "ensure there is iwi co-governance" of everything (see Sage 11/3/22)
There are probably good reasons Auckland shouldn’t be excluded, there may even be some good reasons for excluding it. But the quote only mentions the co-governance.
When the polls are going down, don't give away free hits.
Seymour, like most Randites, is logically incoherent.
And not bright enough to see the contradiction between supporting property rights due to ancestry/inheritance, for wealthy white people, while denying the same thing for Māori.
It is not “special rights” for Māori. It is the same “right to inheritance” due to the “luck of birth”, Seymour supporters demand for themselves.
Of course we could go back to all land being held in common, in trust for the future benefit of the whole Iwi, and their children, Pre European Māori style.
I doubt if Seymour would agree though.
The whole idea of “commons” is anathema to the “grab what you can and hang onto it” Randian ethos.
Everyone filled up their fuel tanks?
The memory of the carless day under Muldoon. Back then I actually had a car. No need for one now.
I remember rolling down the Parapara route from Raetihi to Whanganui a few times on carless days (engine off and brakes smoking). Petrol hitting $2.30 here in rural NSW and going higher. Not so much fun filling up a gas guzzler with Aussie distances.
how much money did I save?
weka!'
I cannot believe that, if you do own a car it is anything other than an EV. Therefore you would have saved nothing.
If you don't own a car you would be in the same situation and would have saved nothing
What Green supporter would ever consider having an ICE? None would ever admit to such a sin against Gaia so you can't admit to owning such a vehicle and therefore you will also have to have, or at least say you have, saved nothing.
Easy isn't it?
I can feel a protest coming on :
Brian Tamaki declined a bail variation to go on holiday:
I mean his people don't give him money for him to not go on holiday. Surely that's worth cramming Cranmer Square and the Domain for.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300538753/covid19-brian-tamaki-declined-a-bail-variation-to-go-on-holiday
lol I figure there's no justice in the world so he'll probably just get time served on curfew, but it's pretty funny that he's probably on a longer lockdown than anyone who actually follows the rules at the moment.
still no release to the MSM of the taxpayer union curia poll for feb which has labour greens on 53% & nat/act on 48%. This would not suit the narrative of the TV1 poll.
also tv1 poll has an internet panel component in it which is dubious to say the least.
john2.
Have the Greens economic whizs factored in that Burlap futures are in the same trajectory as Cobalt?
https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1501993626456498187?cxt=HHwWloC5_dnPk9gpAAAA
Has anyone priced the future of the futures market?
I am shore there is a CDS for that somewhere.
What is the future of tech? 5 Trillion wiped out on NASDAQ.
https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1501908508274528257?cxt=HHwWgsC4jZb17NcpAAAA
Thats an awful lot of 'money'……somewhere someone is probably jumping out a window….or lots of them.
It is more then the total capitalization of the UK FTSE.Which most likely accounts for the spike in Burlap sacks (for traders with exposed positions)
Interesting is the only commodites index that has not moved is Onions,as there is enough to cry about.
lol…I think you can blame Vince.
Oh the reason why onion futures are unmoved,is it is prohibited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_Futures_Act
So I discovered…all thanks to Vince Kosuga.
Bizzare that they chose to only ban onions. The world is mad.
Technosphere articles.
"Since industrialization the technosphere has also emerged as the “control center” of material flows. Most of the materials extracted from the environment stay within the technosphere to further expand and maintain it. This explains why the expansion of the technosphere is key to understanding anthropogenic change in the Earth System (the “environment”) today. The current total mass of the technosphere has been estimated to weigh approximately 30 trillion tons, roughly five orders of magnitude larger than the biomass of all human beings living on earth."
https://anthropocene.univie.ac.at/resources/technosphere/
"Although we don’t yet know specifically how planetary intelligence might manifest itself, the researchers note that a mature technosphere involves integrating technological systems with Earth through a network of feedback loops that make up a complex system.
https://www.technology.org/2022/02/23/can-a-planet-have-its-own-mind/
One Palestinian home at a time.
https://twitter.com/Sarah_Hassan94/status/1501502911188246528
On Wednesday, Israeli soldiers demolished a Palestinian home in the Khallet al-Eeda area in Jabal Johar, south of Hebron, in the southern part of the occupied West Bank.
Several army jeeps and bulldozers invaded the area before storming the home and assaulted the family before forcing the Palestinians out of the property.
The soldiers then demolished the property without allowing the family to remove its furniture and belongings.
The Israeli army claims the home was built without a permit from the so-called “Civil Administration Office,” the administrative branch of the illegal Israeli occupation in Palestine.
https://imemc.org/article/soldiers-demolish-a-palestinian-home-in-hebron-2/
Is he mad or is this idea actually workable?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018833890/former-nato-commander-on-russian-invasion-of-ukraine
Im undecided….it could potentially work. The UN as a peace enforcer as originally envisaged.
Mad cocksucker if the world believed him we,d all have to start digging bomb shelters
We may have to anyway…..or recommission the old ones.
technically possible, but this is the dude who wanted James blunt to start WW3. And the penalty for failure is a mushroom cloud.
Yes the penalty for failure is high…and it would require the approval of a lot of countries that currently not on board, but what he is proposing is in fact the original intended operation of the UN.
Mad.
I have not followed the situation in Ukraine closely.
While he isn't everyone's cup of tea, Russell Brand has a back story that sounds very familiar. US corporate interests are being served on the backs of the Ukraine citizenry.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CxMVcrvtqqs
Probably better listened to than watch, his enthusiasm is reflected in his arm movements.
Yep. There's quite a lot of truth in what he says. Like you, I haven't been following the semantics closely but I guessed there was a backstory we didn't know about. Now I know where Putin's accusations of fascism is coming from but it doesn't absolve him from his share of the blame – nor the corporate western interests many of whom are based in America.
Thanks gsays.
I filled up with 95 petrol this evening $3.419 a litre at Z! Is it still going up further tonight or was I too late and it had already gone up?
How long is that ball of string?
The whole thing looked like a cynical cash grab by the fuel companies, maybe they needed to make a payment last night to secure supply at a good (make shitload of profit) price.
Pleasures of a single point supply chain through NZ Refining. Hopefully this might change now they are just an importer of refined product, just like Gull or any potential new entrant to the game.
As for the increases in fuel price, not much we can do about it, other than use less. Could be just the thing society and our home needs.
Going to be interesting watching the double cab brigade demanding government 'do something' about the price of fuel. Changing their lifestyle to use less, or drive an EV is the obvious answer but there'll be some tortuous logic along the journey.
Imagine the price if the NZD were back down to 0.39US
https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/currency