Daily review 14/02/2020

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  1. Fireblade 1
    14 February 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Newsroom Reports:

    Calls for ACT to return far-right donation.

    Activists and civil rights organisations have called for the ACT Party to return a donation it received from a far-right extremist who threatened to destroy mosques after the Christchurch terror attack.

    The rest is unfortunately behind a paywall.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/2020/02/13/1033901/calls-for-act-to-return-far-right-donation

    • McFlock 1.1
      14 February 2020 at 6:57 pm

      Regardless of whether ACT is in itself an extremist party, the extremists think it is.

      • bwaghorn 1.1.1
        14 February 2020 at 7:48 pm

        Yip I've read more than a few comments on social media from aggrieved gun nuts that have moved from national to act .

  2. Anne 2
    14 February 2020 at 7:01 pm

    With regard to the photo of Guyon Espiner seen with the former NZ First president, Lester Gray:

    Lets not forget the former darling of the National Party and the right wing media, Cameron Slater once stalked David Shearer and took a photo of him walking along Anzac Ave., Auckland with a union boss. That photo appeared in all the news outlets and I don't recall one journalist or ‘expert’ describing it as unethical or immoral.

    I'm not defending the NZ first "supporter" who took the photo of Guyon Espiner… just noting the stark difference in the media responses.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/409550/winston-peters-and-those-photos-the-legal-and-ethical-implications

    • Herodotus 2.1
      14 February 2020 at 7:20 pm

      "I'm not defending the NZ first "supporter" who took the photo of Guyon Espiner… just noting the stark difference in the media responses. "

      By noting it you ARE defending by implication !! But don't worry for what was a clean election isn't by actions already taken by all sides.

      Pity all this just deflects from the real issues – Should this election be on real issues … None would get voted in.

      • Anne 2.1.1
        14 February 2020 at 8:23 pm

        By noting it you ARE defending by implication !!

        You're welcome to interpret my comment any way you wish, but you happen to be wrong.

      • McFlock 2.1.2
        14 February 2020 at 8:53 pm

        "all sides"?

        What have Labour and the Greens done to dirty-up the election?

        • Herodotus 2.1.2.1
          14 February 2020 at 9:17 pm

          NZ1 and Labour are this government – They are linked and our PM has just this week "Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has swiftly changed tack this morning in explicitly expressing trust in Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters."

          And if using an offshoot of WO – BFD is not meant to fire a warning shot then … I am mistaken But if I am not wrong then we could have a NZ version of El Duce – And that is so far down the sewer that NZ has not been before.

          I am struggling to read any comments condemning this – I am reminded of this song with its warning



          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12308449

          • Macro 2.1.2.1.1
            14 February 2020 at 9:46 pm

            🙄

            • WeTheBleeple 2.1.2.1.1.1
              15 February 2020 at 8:44 am

              This is why I don't even read his comments anymore. They'll make you dumber.

              • McFlock …
                15 February 2020 at 3:37 pm

                The concept that Labour and the Greens are running a dirty campaign because they haven't immediately wound up the coalition and foresworn ever working with NZ1 again did strike me as being a tad surprising, I must say.

                • Herodotus …
                  15 February 2020 at 7:01 pm

                  News to me that the greens are in government ?i thought they agreed to supply and confidence and were rewarded for a few ministry appointments out of cabinet. But then, such knowledge would only maker you dumber 🤫.

                  • McFlock …
                    15 February 2020 at 7:53 pm

                    A controversial semantic distinction that doesn't actually address the idea that the Greens can indeed wind up the coalition.

                    Which is why they have ministerial positions.

  3. Muttonbird 3
    14 February 2020 at 7:18 pm

    I'd forgot about Mr Jones' pathetic capitulation today. He has basically screamed out loud in 10ft high letters, "YES, I AM A RACIST".

    We all knew it so why on earth did he have to proceed with this charade?

    Massive win for Renae Maihi and all decent people in New Zealand. She is now a modern day hero having fought and beaten Death Warmed Up and all the right wingers he represents.

  4. mpledger 4
    14 February 2020 at 7:32 pm

    I think the boomers just don't realise how much younger people use their phone cameras as an everyday tool. Homework assignment on the blackboard – take a photo; someone recommends a recipe – take a photo; books needed for a course – take a photo. A camera has just become a memory tool. When film cost $20 and 50c to print one frame zand a roll was 24 frames then taking a picture had to be for something really important – nowadays they are whipped out without a second thought .

    Passing the photo on to a whale oil look-a-like blog – that's another issue.

    • Muttonbird 5.1
      14 February 2020 at 8:35 pm

      Also massive props to Maihi's lawyer, Davey Salmon.

      He took apart the well monied Mr Bob’s case in quick time. Didn’t even need to call defence witnesses before The Racist and his team wilted.

      That man deserves a beer.

      • RedLogix 5.1.1
        14 February 2020 at 8:50 pm

        “I now accept, however, Ms Maihi’s offence taking was a sincerely held opinion. The parties may never align on what is acceptable humour, however, no malice was intended by either, thus it is sensible to put an end to proceedings.”

        Indeed that is nothing more than the usual defence around libel. Nothing terribly clever at all. It's the same legal concept that ensures no-one is likely to sue you for many of the things you say here at TS.

        Incidentally Maihi also has said:

        “While I and many others disagree strongly with the language Sir Robert has used about Māori, we can disagree with him without being rude about him as a person. I ask people to keep this in mind when posting on social media.”

        • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1
          14 February 2020 at 8:54 pm

          Don't be naive. Jones could see an embarrassing defeat from the Judge staring at him from his clouded, hateful eyes.

          So he gave up in a weak attempt to save face.

          BTW, have I seen you post that his remarks were unacceptable?

          • RedLogix 5.1.1.1.1
            14 February 2020 at 9:25 pm

            Of course his legal case was always going to fail; the defense was obvious and inevitable.

            But as for whether his comments are 'unacceptable' or not … well I guess that's a matter of 'sincerely held opinion'. The same defense available to Maihi, is also available to Jones.

        • Sacha 5.1.1.2
          15 February 2020 at 9:11 am

          we can disagree with him without being rude about him as a person

          If this was the only time he has behaved like an arsehole, perhaps. The guy is fairly described as a nasty old prick fond of his own voice.

      • McFlock 5.1.2
        14 February 2020 at 9:11 pm

        I mean, Jones' mate saying bob couldn't be racist because he's shagged women all over the globe was a novel argument.

  6. Muttonbird 6
    14 February 2020 at 8:51 pm

    Farrar watch:

    In a spectacular display of gymnastics, Farrar harasses Labour and the Greens (particularly the Greens) for photos of Lester Gray with Guyon Espiner and Matt Shand ending up on Jong Kee's mate's website.

    Farrar, being a cut-and-paste kind of blogger, writes four paragraphs using his own words. Three of which directly attack the Greens for their part in this horrible, horrible affair.

    Curia polling must have the Greens support quite high right now…

    • James 6.1
      14 February 2020 at 8:59 pm

      Never saw you back you with evidence for what was an easily proven lie about Simon Bridges the other day. Remember – I bet you a months self imposed ban – what’s the matter? Don’t like being caught out ?

      and I’m guessing you are wrong on the polling

      • Muttonbird 6.1.1
        14 February 2020 at 9:02 pm

        That wouldn't be fair as I'm sure you'll be receiving a months ban at some point regardless.

        • James 6.1.1.1
          14 February 2020 at 9:07 pm

          So you have zero evidence of your claims (or lies) ?

          if I made accusations against jacinda I would be asked to back them up – pity you are too gutless to back your own statements.

          • Muttonbird 6.1.1.1.1
            14 February 2020 at 9:10 pm

            What was the accusation again? I forgot.

            • McFlock 6.1.1.1.1.1
              14 February 2020 at 9:15 pm

              Don't worry about it – Alwyn will rush to provide the evidence. They're helpful like that.

              • James …
                14 February 2020 at 9:26 pm

                Ironically proving that my comment was right where I was asked to prove what I had written.

                • McFlock …
                  14 February 2020 at 10:35 pm

                  That wasn't irony.

                  It was someone else providing the evidence for one of the assertions you made and were then asked to support.

                  Alwyn didn't save your arse for the claim about Winston and the photos.

                  So you demanding evidence from other people? That's not "ironic" either. That's just "hypocritical".

                • Incognito …
                  14 February 2020 at 11:16 pm

                  Good evening, James.

                  Would you please be so kind to provide evidence for your double accusation because it very much looked like you were making up shit:

                  The Deputy Prime Minister in her government taking photographs of jurno's and sending them to a website linked with Dirty politics.

                  Thank you in advance.

            • James 6.1.1.1.1.2
              14 February 2020 at 9:18 pm

              Sure you did.
              I can’t link to comments (on phone) but comment 2.2.1.1 on open mike on the 10th.

              regarding the NZ first SFO investigations you stated as fact “The SFO has set itself a very high bar indeed when they refused to charge Simon Bridges over an identical situation.”

              and I ask you to back up the identical situation.

              Come on. Put up or shut up.

              and to help here is what NZF are being investigated for – https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/electoral-commission-finds-donations-to-nz-first-foundation-should-have-been-treated-as-party-donations.amp.html

              • Muttonbird …
                14 February 2020 at 9:26 pm

                You're a dog with a bone on this, James. Must have hit a nerve.

                It is an identical situation. The deliberate splitting of donations to avoid the donor's identity being revealed to the public.

                End result, and the SFO has now set the precedent, individual sub-donors get charged. They go after the small fish so I can’t see them tackling Graeme Hart. Some of his associates might be in trouble though.

                The right wing is great at this. Think back to John Banks who was convicted in court over another identical situation.

                • James …
                  14 February 2020 at 9:29 pm

                  No that’s not what nzf are being charged with at all.

                  have you read anything on this?

                  the commission found that donations to the foundation should have been treated as party donations.

                  now – show me where Simon bridges has been referred for that ??

                  Willing to take the bet. Happy to make it double.

                  • Muttonbird …
                    14 February 2020 at 9:35 pm

                    That's not the SFO though. That's the Electoral Commission which cannot place charges.

                    Enjoy your ban. See you in two months!

                    • James …
                      14 February 2020 at 9:39 pm

                      Sooooooo where have the SFO investigated bridges for the identical thing (thus your refusing to charge statement). ?

                      A link would be good …..

                    • Muttonbird …
                      14 February 2020 at 9:45 pm

                      You'll find I said:

                      The SFO has set itself a very high bar indeed when they refused to charge Simon Bridges over an identical situation

                      https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-10-02-2020/#comment-1683939

                      With the National Party splitting donations from a wealthy Chinese businessman to hide his identity (not sure why the Nats insisted on this because he seems like the sort of guy who wants his identity as a donor known), the complainant, Ross, went straight to the Police.

                      The Electoral Commission on that occasion didn’t get off their arse and involve themselves politically…

                    • James []
                      14 February 2020 at 10:07 pm

                      Soo Batman what is Nz first being investigated for?

                      Are you assuming that it’s only the split donations ?

                      Because you are wrong sunshine.

                      Oh and when they don’t charge someone it’s because there is no or insufficient evidence to back it up – not because they refuse to.

                • James …
                  14 February 2020 at 9:36 pm

                  And just to show just how uninformed you are – the banks decision was reversed.

  7. OnceWasTim 7
    14 February 2020 at 11:34 pm

    Thinking of the Daily Review, how about The Week in Review

    Concert FM and the Yoof Network

    Jim Mather, Paul Thompson and their Willy the Wonderboy.

    Miscommunication over three meetings since August, Mis-selling an agenda, and mis-speaking to RNZ staff and selected"stakeholders" that excluded the most important ones

    I'd say credibility between the three of them is spent and they're now incapable of providing a "clear steer".

    Not so much as a red reset button as a black self-destruct button is required if there's any hope of resurrecting trust and making some sort of progress

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