Daily review 15/11/2023

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1. weka 1

   15 November 2023 at 5:58 pm

   Hello
   • weka 1.1

     15 November 2023 at 6:00 pm

     Hello 3
   • joe90 1.2

     15 November 2023 at 6:34 pm

     Won't you tell me your name?
2. weka 2

   15 November 2023 at 5:59 pm

   Hello again
   • joe90 2.1

     15 November 2023 at 6:35 pm

     Let me jump in your game
3. satty 3

   15 November 2023 at 6:08 pm

   Hello… is it me you looking for (Lionel Richie)
4. Incognito 4

   15 November 2023 at 6:11 pm

   You say goodbye, I say hello.
5. pat 5

   15 November 2023 at 8:39 pm

   "Statistics NZ estimates that this country had a record net migration gain (long term arrivals minus long term departures) of 119,000 people over the 12 months to the end of September this year, compared to a net gain of 59,000 in the 12 months to September 2019, just before the Covid pandemic hit.

   The latest figure is the biggest ever migration-driven population gain for any 12 months period."

   https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/125242/migration-driven-population-growth-has-more-doubled-compared-pre-covid-levels

   Auckland population estimated to increase by nigh on one million in the next 20 years….and it worth noting this population growth occurred under a party that campaigned on significantly reduced immigration.
   • weka 5.1

     15 November 2023 at 9:40 pm

     fucksake. It's like the climate crisis, biodiversity crisis and housing crisis don't exist.
     • adam 5.1.1

       15 November 2023 at 11:01 pm

       Crisis, how dear you. The labour party had it all under control with it's incremental minutia.

       
   • gsays 5.2

     16 November 2023 at 6:38 am

     Yep, I am still waiting for one of the defenders of the last regime to square that circle. Looking at you Louis.

     How can you run record migration and claim to be 'in it for workers or renters'?

     In it for the landlord class and employers would be more accurate.
   • SPC 5.3

     16 November 2023 at 2:48 pm

     Just be grateful that it's easier for New Zealanders in Oz now than it was after 2001 (when they celebrated their centennial by passing rules obnoxious to those of the land that refused the offer to be the 7th state).

     Half of the more than 70,000 New Zealand citizens who left the country for the long term over the past year were headed to Australia, Stats NZ says.

     New Zealand’s annual net migration hit a record 118,800 in the year to September 2023, driven by the arrival of more than 163,000 non-citizens.

     https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133295991/migration-hits-record-levels-but-kiwis-still-leaving-in-droves

     As the great prophet (John, alias Fred) once said look on the bright side, we can keep borrowing to fund government tax cuts and the great economy built around real estate, or we can follow him to a land where we will be seen as second class (like Maori are in New Zealand) but will still have an Industry Award Fair Pay Agreement job and a place to live we can afford.

     As their John (known as Howard the duck because he was little more than a fielder), said of the second class in Oz, they should be grateful to be able to live there because if a country is ruled by the farmers country party and their urban affiliate, the landlord class, then they get ruled over like livestock.
     • pat 5.3.1

       16 November 2023 at 3:32 pm

       "….and a place to live we can afford."

       Sadly not. Though perhaps marginally more affordable than NZ (in most locales) by price to income ratios Australia is afflicted by the same housing issues as NZ (and they are relying on immigration to support that also).

       Even more unfortunate is the skills that they are outbidding us on….skills we desperately need and cannot afford to compete.
       • SPC 5.3.1.1

         16 November 2023 at 3:49 pm

         Sadly not

         Those in mining and construction. Those in health and education. Some fields of business activity as well. Many will find pay in their field is quite enough to rent and then own in Oz.

         It's those locals and also Kiwis outside those areas of employment who might find it difficult in Oz too. Kiwis in those cases can choose the lower cost housing markets in Oz (as they could in provincial New Zealand if they could find a job)

         Even more unfortunate is the skills that they are outbidding us on….skills we desperately need and cannot afford to compete.

         We could, but chose not to. There is no reason why we cannot pay teachers, nurses and health technicians etc the same pay (and work conditions) as in Oz.
         • pat 5.3.1.1.1

           16 November 2023 at 4:13 pm

           "We could, but chose not to. There is no reason why we cannot pay teachers, nurses and health technicians etc the same pay (and work conditions) as in Oz."

           There is at least one very good reason why that is not a realistic option….remuneration is comparative, and consequently (in this instance) cost increasing.

           We already live well beyond our ability to earn (persistent trade imbalance) whereas Australia has a much more beneficial balance of trade, especially in recent times….I doubt we can afford to match Australian pay scales for the skills you note AND maintain even our currently poor ratio of exports to imports.

           IMO the best option isnt to increase the salaries to retain those skills but to reduce the CoL so as to improve the quality of life irrespective of the lesser salary…and the biggest impact on that is the cost of housing. Reduce that to a realistic level and you are a long way to resolving many issues.

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