web analytics

Daily review 18/12/2019

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, December 18th, 2019 - 78 comments
Categories: Daily review - Tags:

Daily review is also your post.

This provides Standardistas the opportunity to review events of the day.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).

Don’t forget to be kind to each other …

78 comments on “Daily review 18/12/2019 ”

  1. Anne 1

    Oh dear, Paula's looking a bit annoyed. I wonder why?

    • Dennis Frank 1.1

      The female QC couldn't find evidence to substantiate the complaints. Complainant #1 couldn't provide validation of her claim that she sent Labour the email attachment and also her testimony of verbal reporting could not be substantiated. Also, I gather a relationship had been happening between her & her attacker and I don't recall that being disclosed in prior reportage. If so, the QC may have felt complainant #1 wasn't being entirely honest.

      Ball's in her court now, so Paula may await further appeals for help. Will the complainants form a team and get an effective representative other than a Nat MP? If they agree the QC is not giving them natural justice, then that would be sensible for them to do.

      • ianmac 1.1.1

        Sounds as though the complainant had a gripe with her 8 months boyfriend but once she embarked on punishment maybe it ran out of control. If that is so, then the complainant must need help/support.

      • Peter 1.1.2

        Paula may indeed await further appeals for help. Will you be seeking any from her?

        • Dennis Frank 1.1.2.1

          "Through tears, the woman said she was frantically worried about one of the other complainants, who had "gone AWOL" and had not been in contact with anyone since reading the report. A spokesperson for the prime minister confirmed "mental health" issues had been discussed with a support professional on Wednesday afternoon, but maintained the issue raised was not more time needed, but the release of any information at all."

          "The woman said she had been told that any release process would be done with full collaboration with the complainant group. "They haven't done that."" https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118311710/labour-sexual-harassment-complainants-told-pm-of-suicide-risk-from-reports-release

          If true, the group of complainants seems to have a valid grievance. Does Labour not understand the concept of re-victimisation??

          • pat 1.1.2.1.1

            if true…perhaps the QC will have another enquiry

          • Anne 1.1.2.1.2

            It looks to me like the complainants didn't want anything published at all which, if correct, is ridiculous.

            If nothing was released then Labour's opponents would have accused them of a cover-up and demanded another inquiry. They could have kept the whole thing going almost through to the next election.

            Having read two or three reports on the findings plus listened to a nine minute press stand up on the Herald website, there is nothing in the released details which identify anybody.

          • ianmac 1.1.2.1.3

            Remember that the complainants publicised their "concerns" even enlisting the help from Paula Bennett.

            They knew there would be a summary report.

            They read the Draft and Executive Report before it was published.

            No person has been named or identified.

            So why would the group be surprised?

      • Adrian 1.1.3

        alleged'' attacker, Dennis Frank. no evidence of attack found. Was the complainant previously a Parliamentary staffer who used to work for Bennett or someone else in the Nat Party?

        • Dennis Frank 1.1.3.1

          Yes, alleged is correct. The original reportage referred to several complainants, and to the one referred to as #1 today as a Labour volunteer. I gather they went to Bennett after being unable to get Labour folk to engage with their concerns.

          • pat 1.1.3.1.1

            How much engagement required…we had the internal enquiry, the review of the internal enquiry, an independent review of the enquiry …and the complaints were found to be 'unsubstantiated'….at some point there needs to be an acceptance.

            The complainants may well need support but that isnt going to be provided by a media rehash and then theres the fact that there are a number of people who appear to have been slighted and lost their jobs.

            • Anne 1.1.3.1.1.1

              Bradbury over at TDB is brutal about the Spin Off article which threw this story into orbit:

              So this Spinoff hit job destroyed the young staffer, destroyed the President, defamed Simon Mitchell and allowed the insinuation that Jacinda covered it all up, all in the name of middle class woke feminism and hashtag activism?

              That’s the journalism everyone is racing to support with donation is it? Puritanical character assassinations from virtue signalling evangelicals?

              How charming.”

              https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/12/18/the-spinoff-witch-trial-ends-in-sexual-assault-inquest-that-finds-serious-questions-of-credibility/

              • Dennis Frank

                Jumping the gun perhaps. More to the saga may emerge tomorrow. Mental health issues are looming as a determinant. Victimisation can be as much perception as reality, eh? And in a mesh of competing grievances, feelings drive outcomes more than rational behaviour…

                • Anne

                  May I repeat one comment from TDB because I think it sums up the story and the reason for its being very well:

                  This isn’t the first time that the Parliamentary precinct has been troubled by a love affair gone wrong.

                  When it happened to National, Labour behaved in a compassionate, exemplary and non-partisan way.

                  When it allegedly happened to Labour, the Nats dived in boots and all, determined to dirty and drag down the least likely PM to cover up sexual misbehaviour, without one iota of evidence apart from what seeped from their dirty little minds.

                  It’s the only way that they know how to perform, and totally irresponsible when all sorts of collateral damage always occurs.

                  I was only aware of Bennett trying to dirty Ardern, but if the Nat men were doing it too, then they are unspeakable lowlifes. Which we already knew. How dare they.

                  Nice one.

                  • Anker

                    One of the things that came out of the report that I find interesting is that Maria dew reviewed 28,000 text and email messages between the complainant and the alleged perpetrator….they had an eight month relationship. My god. That is an awful lot of messaging. I also inferred that messaging after the alleged assault didn’t support that it had happened, but that is just my inference.

                    i think the complainants response to the release of the summary is also manipulative. They went to the media and Paula Bennett about what happened, given their account. After an independent review, with findings they clearly didn’t like they want the report not to be released……

                    • Anne

                      Yes, I picked up on that too.

                      It should be remembered also that the complaints concerning sexual harassment were really the realm of the police to investigate.

                      I can understand a singular woman being reluctant to go to the police because I've been down that road and the police at that time could not have been less supportive.

                      But 4 or 5 young people are making roughly the same complaint about the same person then they could have gone to the police together and supported one another. But they didn't.

                      I can understand them being upset their complaints were not upheld but it looks to me at this stage their expectations were way to high in the first place.

                    • weka []

                      I don’t know, given they now have a large number of people they don’t know, including prominent people, talking about them in public and essentially calling them liars, I think it’s quite understandable that they wouldn’t want to go to the police.

                    • weka

                      the 28,000 messages were between all complainants and the respondent.

        • McFlock 1.1.3.2

          The evidence included the complaint.

          What the QC found was that some inconsistencies meant that they couldn't determine whether, on the balance of probabilities, it occurred.

          The review is not an exoneration.

    • Dennis Frank 2.1

      As of Oct 28 Trump had tweeted witch-hunt 294 times. https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-witch-hunt/

      So it'll be up over 300 now. Someone ought to tell him that witches are women & he's a man, so he needn't be so paranoid.

      And "academic and feminist Silvia Federici, who has been tracking witch hunts since the 1980s, notes that most contemporary witch hunts take place in countries recovering from colonialism, exploitative policies by the World Bank or the IMF, or Christian missionary activity. When you add up all the incidents in the past 30 years, a conservative estimate holds that 30,000 people have been killed in witch hunts. These witch hunts have taken place in every continent except Antarctica. Thirty thousand in 30 years divides out to two to three people per day".

      I wonder why she describes the victims as people rather than women. Perhaps that's due to tacit acknowledgment that those identifying the victims can't tell the difference between men & women. Blame the education system.

      • francesca 2.1.1

        Becauses witches can be men too.Some of the witches hunted at Salem were men

        • Dennis Frank 2.1.1.1

          In the English cultural tradition I grew up with, the male equivalent was wizard. However I take the point that language evolves randomly, like mum turning into mom in the USA.

          • I feel love 2.1.1.1.1

            Nope, even the infamous witch hunts in ye olde England had men witches accused, a witch finder general even tested himself by drowning to see if he was a witch. He wasn't and drowned.

          • Gabby 2.1.1.1.2

            Love the way you manage to home in on the vital key nub of the kernel at the heart of the matter frankadiddlio.

    • arkie 2.2

      Trump seems panicked.

      Interesting slip of the pen in this cnn listicle on the letter:

      11. "Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did."

      Apples and oranges here. Again, Biden called for the firing of the prosecutor as part of a coordinated — and transparent — strategy to address corruption in Ukraine. Trump got on the phone with the Ukrainian president and, contrary to the notes prepared for him in advance of the meeting, freelanced to ask him to investigate one of his main rivals for the GOP nomination.

      https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/trump-letter-nancy-pelosi-impeachment/index.html

      CNN thinks Biden should have run as Republican too?

  2. Anker 3

    Interesting finding from the review labour conducted into the sexual assault and bullying claims.

  3. Sabine 4

    surely we can blame cows, right?

    https://www.ecowatch.com/satellite-methane-leak-2641613644.html?utm_campaign=RebelMouse&socialux=facebook&share_id=5149681&utm_medium=social&utm_content=EcoWatch&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2H4m94dM3ZrDTgAg4hDYvc4X0Ram4bsXY6uEONlZT_jIul-l17hquuwsA

    n February 2018, a blowout at a fracked natural gas well in Belmont County, Ohio forced around 100 nearby residents to flee their homes, as The New York Times reported. Now, a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Monday has revealed that the local incident had major implications for the global climate crisis.

    Researchers used satellite data to determine that the blowout caused one of the largest methane leaks in U.S. history. It released more methane in around 20 days than the oil and gas industries of France, Norway and the Netherlands do in a year, Bloomberg News reported. The results raise questions about the ability of the oil and gas industry to control methane leaks.

  4. weka 5

    Popping in to remind everyone that absence of evidence doesn't mean absence of wrongdoing. If we look at rape trials, where the odds are stacked against women who have been raped, and where men get found not guilty, the men are not proven innocent.

    I have no idea what happened in this case, and I haven't read the report yet, but I do feel qualified to comment on how sexual abuse gets discussed by the left and we are still a long way from doing well on this. Irrespective of what happened, we can choose to not run 'the complainant lied' lines.

    It also doesn't follow that National being opportunistic, lying arseholes means that there was no problem.

    I'm arguing for nuance here and some attempt to see this situation in the context of rape culture not just being about Labour.

    Here's the report if anyone wants to read the whole thing directly. That’s unfortunately to Scribd but the best version I’ve found so far.

    • weka 5.1

      also, thanks to the people already getting this and trying to push for a different approach.

    • Blazer 5.2

      'and where men get found not guilty, the men are not proven innocent.'

      How is this any different from any other trial and verdict regarding either men or women?

      • Psycho Milt 5.2.1

        It's no different – there always seem to be a few who think "not guilty" = "proven innocent," which it doesn't. In this case, we have some people thinking "not established" = "didn't happen," or worse, "false claim," and those people need to be told to pull their heads in.

  5. SHG 6

    Hilarious to watch everyone here bending over backwards to not believe the victims.

    • pat 6.1

      are you impugning the integrity of the QC?

    • Incognito 6.2

      Everyone??

      Why do you find this amusing?

    • Gabby 6.3

      Alleged victims shggy.

    • roblogic 6.4

      Repulsive how the Nats think its a big joke

    • Peter 6.5

      I think it's likely that everyone here heard a lot more from the QC than the victims. She heard from the victims and came up with a report and summary. People read that and believed that.

      I can imagine the 'victims' being slightly less objective than the QC too. Can you?

      So is it a surprise whom people believe?

      In terms of those things, the comment 'hilarious to watch everyone here bending over backwards to not believe the victims' could be replied to with 'hilarious to watch some people bending over backwards to not believe the QC' or 'hilarious to watch everyone here bending over backwards to believe the male victim.'

      Apparently the QC investigated the situation, no doubt with access to all sorts of people and other evidence and told it as she saw it. Why should she not be believed?

  6. Sadly, amongst the left infighting and attempted point scoring over the staffer's misconduct case, not one mention today about the labour government's minimum wage rise for next year, leaping up to $18.90ph.

    At least someone has their eye on the real game.

  7. adam 8

    Wonder if paula's face is as such is becasue her hero is a alleged kiddy porn (and maybe a kiddy fucker) collector.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12295067

  8. pat 9

    Monbiot has a plan…or at least the beginnings of one.

    "Something has changed: not just in the UK and the US, but in many parts of the world. A new politics, funded by oligarchs, built on sophisticated cheating and provocative lies, using dark ads and conspiracy theories on social media, has perfected the art of persuading the poor to vote for the interests of the very rich. We must understand what we are facing, and the new strategies required to resist it.

    If there is a formula for the new demagoguery, there must also be a formula for confronting and overturning it. I don’t yet have a complete answer, but I believe there are some strands we can draw together."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/18/demagogues-power-rewilding-party-trust-power-government

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • What’s Labour achieved so far?
    Quite a bit! This Government was elected to take on the toughest issues facing Aotearoa – and that’s what we’re doing. Since the start of the pandemic, protecting lives and livelihoods has been a priority, but we’ve also made progress on long-term challenges, to deliver a future the next generation ...
    5 days ago
  • Tackling the big issues in 2022
    This year, keeping Kiwis safe from COVID will remain a key priority of the Government – but we’re also pushing ahead on some of New Zealand’s biggest long-term challenges. In 2022, we’re working to get more Kiwis into homes, reduce emissions, lift children out of poverty, and ensure people get ...
    7 days ago
  • Happy new year, Aotearoa!
    Welcome to 2022! As we look ahead to another year of progress on the big issues facing our country, we’re taking a look back at the year that’s been and everything the team of five million achieved together in 2021. ...
    3 weeks ago

  • New Zealand prepared to send support to Tonga
    New Zealand is ready to assist Tonga in its recovery from Saturday night’s undersea eruption and tsunami, Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Defence Minister Peeni Henare said today. “Following the successful surveillance and reconnaissance flight of a New Zealand P-3K2 Orion on Monday, imagery and details have been sent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Aotearoa New Zealand stands ready to assist people of Tonga
    The thoughts of New Zealanders are with the people of Tonga following yesterday’s undersea volcanic eruption and subsequent tsunami waves, Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta says. “Damage assessments are under way and New Zealand has formally offered to provide assistance to Tonga,” said Nanaia Mahuta. New Zealand has made an ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Record high of new homes consented continues
    In the year ended November 2021, 48,522 new homes were consented, up 26 per cent from the November 2020 year. In November 2021, 4,688 new dwellings were consented. Auckland’s new homes consented numbers rose 25 per cent in the last year. Annual figures for the last nine months show more ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Report trumpets scope for ice cream exports
    Latest research into our premium ice cream industry suggests exporters could find new buyers in valuable overseas markets as consumers increasingly look for tip top quality in food. Economic Development Minister Stuart Nash has released a new report for the Food and Beverage Information Project. The project is run by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Honouring the legacy of legendary kaumātua Muriwai Ihakara
    Associate Minister for Arts, Culture, and Heritage Kiri Allan expressed her great sadness and deepest condolences at the passing of esteemed kaumātua, Muriwai Ihakara. “Muriwai’s passing is not only a loss for the wider creative sector but for all of Aotearoa New Zealand. The country has lost a much beloved ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Have your say on proposed changes to make drinking water safer
    Associate Minister for the Environment Kiri Allan is urging all New Zealanders to give feedback on proposed changes aimed at making drinking water safer. “The current regulations are not fit for purpose and don’t offer enough protection, particularly for those whose water comes from smaller supplies,” Kiri Allan said. “This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Planting the seeds for rewarding careers
    A boost in funding for a number of Jobs for Nature initiatives across Canterbury will provide sustainable employment opportunities for more than 70 people, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. “The six projects are diverse, ranging from establishing coastline trapping in Kaikōura, to setting up a native plant nursery, restoration planting ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand congratulates Tonga's new Prime Minister on appointment
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta today congratulated Hon Hu'akavameiliku Siaosi Sovaleni on being appointed Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Tonga. “Aotearoa New Zealand and Tonga have an enduring bond and the Kingdom is one of our closest neighbours in the Pacific. We look forward to working with Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • High-tech investment extends drought forecasting for farmers and growers
    The Government is investing in the development of a new forecasting tool that makes full use of innovative climate modelling to help farmers and growers prepare for dry conditions, Agriculture Minister Damien O'Connor said.  The new approach, which will cost $200,000 and is being jointly funded through the Ministry for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Support for fire-hit Waiharara community
    The government will contribute $20,000 towards a Mayoral Relief Fund to support those most affected by the fires in Waiharara in the Far North, Minister for Emergency Management Kiri Allan says. “I have spoken to Far North Mayor John Carter about the effect the fires continue to have, on residents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Manawatū’s ‘oases of nature’ receive conservation boost
    The Government is throwing its support behind projects aimed at restoring a cluster of eco-islands and habitats in the Manawatū which were once home to kiwi and whio. “The projects, which stretch from the Ruahine Ranges to the Horowhenua coastline, will build on conservation efforts already underway and contribute ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand to continue Solomon Islands support
    A New Zealand Defence Force and Police deployment to help restore peace and stability to Solomon Islands is being scaled down and extended. The initial deployment followed a request for support from Solomon Islands Government after riots and looting in capital Honiara late last month. They joined personnel from Australia, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Our Pacific community shares in New Year’s Honours
    Prominent Pacific health champion Faumuina Professor Fa’afetai Sopoaga has been made a Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit in the New Year’s Honours list. Professor Sopoaga has been a champion for Pacific Health at Otago University, said Minister of Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio. “She’s overseen changes in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Congratulations to Māori New Year’s Honours stars of 2022
    Kei aku rangatira kua whakawhiwhia koutou ki ngā tohu ā tō tātou kuīni hei whakanui nui i ā koutou mahi rangatira i hāpai i te manotini puta noa i a Aotearoa. Ko koutou ngā tino tauira. I whanake i ngā hapori, iwi, hapū, whānau me te motu anō hoki. Mauri ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Top honours for women in sport
    Minister of Sport and Recreation Grant Robertson has congratulated Olympian Lisa Carrington and Paralympian Sophie Pascoe on being made Dames Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit (DNZM) in the 2022 New Year Honours. Lisa Carrington is New Zealand’s most successful Olympian, having won five gold and one bronze ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • PM congratulates 2022 New Year Honours recipients
    The New Zealanders recognised in the New Year 2022 Honours List represent the determination and service exemplified by so many New Zealanders during what has been another tough year due to the global COVID-19 pandemic, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “I never fail to be amazed by the outstanding things ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago