Drivers locked out for following their contracts

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1. tc 1

   6 October 2009 at 12:53 pm

   Yes another story that will get ignored by the mainstream ‘media’ especially with all that ‘talent’ parked in samoa.
   Whilst not wanting to downplay or understate the samoa tragedy it does allow the papers/telly enough vision/human suffering material to ignore important local events which suits the ‘don’t upset the NACT’ agenda.
   Another great opportunity to sit Kate W down and show NZ just how ‘out to lunch’ the minister looking after their long term interests is by simply not being able to provide plausible answers…….recall her performance over BreadGate.
   • Daveo 1.1

     6 October 2009 at 1:00 pm

     Actually I’d say it’s not really something the media can ignore even if they wanted to. Remember, this lockout will grind Auckland’s public transport system to a halt, block the roads as commuters are forced to travel by car and result in thousands of Aucklanders being late for work.

     Angry commuters, pissed off bosses, congested roads – it’s media gold. The important thing is that the public understand it’s the company that’s caused it to get to this point, not the workers.
     • George D 1.1.1

       6 October 2009 at 3:11 pm

       The media are so far doing a pretty useless job of informing the public about what the workers are doing. Perhaps later in the week they’ll do their job.
       • Daveo 1.1.1.1

         6 October 2009 at 3:57 pm

         Yeah, well there aren’t too many journalists left these days to do any decent reporting. It’s all been cut and paste from press releases so far.

         I expect there’ll be a bit more coverage tomorrow as the lockout nears, and then it’ll go crazy once the buses have stopped and they’ve got some frowny faces to interview.
     • HitchensFan 1.1.2

       6 October 2009 at 3:51 pm

       Yes that’s the challenge Dave. The MSM will appeal to the ugly “anti-worker” side of NZ. Let’s hope not but I’m not holding my breath
   • Bill 1.2

     7 October 2009 at 11:16 am

     Just heard the wee boss fella on the news break bleat on about how industrial action is not he way to go and how he wants the union to sit down and talk things through.

     So there goes the battle for the public’s perception. Where was the union and it’s media releases/control on this?
2. tc 2

   6 October 2009 at 1:26 pm

   Good points Daveo…lets wait and see. When the ETS was rammed through not a single mention was made on the 10.30 TVNZ slot (even with the pics being finger jabbingly good) so lets see if during school holidays it gets a full run or just a ‘dispute/disruption’ readover vision treatment as there’s nowhere near the potential disruption when schools aren’t in.
   It takes experience and maturity to cover this type of story and get buy-in from those not directly involved, watch it get covered like an us V them, worker bad but management in a recession do what they have to so msut be good.
   • Graeme Edgeler 2.1

     6 October 2009 at 2:13 pm

     The ETS hasn’t been “rammed through” … indeed, you can (still) make an on-line submission here:

     http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/SC/MakeSub/a/d/f/49SCFE_SCF_00DBHOH_BILL9597_1-Climate-Change-Response-Moderated-Emissions.htm
     • lprent 2.1.1

       6 October 2009 at 2:16 pm

       Yep, there was a whole TWO weeks for submissions from the time that the time that they announced from when .

       You can’t consider that having that VAST volume of time as being anything but a LONG time to make submissions on this MULTI-BILLION dollar subsidy to POLLUTERS.

       Face it Graeme, the NACT arseholes are ramming this through… I haven’t fully finished reading and considering the bill yet. It wasn’t exactly the shortest document.
     • snoozer 2.1.2

       6 October 2009 at 2:17 pm

       are you happy with the amount that National is using urgency Graeme?

       Do you think that last minute Bills, rushed select committee processes and then, probably, more more urgency equals good government?
3. TightyRighty 3

   6 October 2009 at 1:41 pm

   jeez i wouldn’t want to this to be advertised on this site right above all the jobless figures you’ve benn quoting recently if i was a locked out bus driver. I’d be looking over my shoulder at the armies of unemployed you keep talking about and being thankful that i might have a job. I love capitalism.
   • snoozer 3.1

     6 October 2009 at 2:01 pm

     Take a look at Tighty’s comment everyone. That’s how the Right wants you to feel
     – in competition with your fellow workers,
     – afraid for your job,
     – willing to take a pay cut and worse conditions to keep it,
     – subservient to the bosses

     This is exactly why the Right doesn’t try to get full unemployment and it’s why the bosses tell each other ‘don’t waste a good recession’. Unemployment create the reserve army of labour, pushes down wages, and the bosses get more in their pockets while you get less.
4. roger nome 4

   6 October 2009 at 2:19 pm

   TightyRighty also writes for the University of Otago’s Critic magazine. Needless to say, his pieces are equally as vacuous and inane as his ramblings are here. He’s probably a second year BCom student. Probably hasn’t read one single serious critique of his precious neo-liberal dogma.

   Here you go little one:

   http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_11_50/ai_54517444/
5. TightyRighty 5

   6 October 2009 at 2:47 pm

   thanks for the link, now could i have those ten minutes of my life back? you should be grateful i read past the title, anything with noam is bound to be boring and heavily skewed towards his own twisted anti-democratic beliefs.I can’t make out on your photo if your stupid or just ill-bred? either way crawl back under your rock.
   • Daveo 5.1

     6 October 2009 at 2:55 pm

     “anything with noam is bound to be boring and heavily skewed towards his own twisted anti-democratic beliefs”

     The words of a man clearly incapable of understanding Noam Chomsky’s anarcho-syndicalism. What a tool. And you seriously mean to tell me they gave this guy a column in Critic?

     I mean I’m all for airing a range of different views but in my day you at least needed to know what you were talking about before they’d let you write.
     • TightyRighty 5.1.1

       6 October 2009 at 2:57 pm

       opinion different to yours is not lack of understanding. much as you would like to believe your so superior, which kind of undermines your socialist leanings doesn’t it?
       • Daveo 5.1.1.1

         6 October 2009 at 3:00 pm

         Firstly, it’s “you’re”, not “your”.

         Secondly, you did display a complete lack of understanding. You can say what you like about the merits of Chomsky’s politics, but the fact is its core tenet is for a radical democratisation of society.

         To call that “anti-democratic” betrays an astonishing level of ignorance, particularly for someone who’s allowed to write a column for the university newspaper.
         • TightyRighty 5.1.1.1.1

           6 October 2009 at 3:20 pm

           does it not depend on how you look at what noam wants to do? or is it just a given that he’s right and his outcomes can now not be criticised?
           • Daveo 5.1.1.1.1.1

             6 October 2009 at 3:24 pm

             No, I think you’ll find you’re simply misinformed.
           • TightyRighty 5.1.1.1.1.2

             6 October 2009 at 3:28 pm

             no im pretty well informed. i just view writings like noam’s in a different light to you. doesn’t make me less informed, just much less of a believer.
           • Daveo 5.1.1.1.1.3

             6 October 2009 at 3:42 pm

             You’d have to have an odd understanding of the word “democracy” in that case. Far more likely you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

             Keep up with that BCA comrade, you’re not going to find yourself employment in any job where you need to think for a living.
       • roger nome 5.1.1.2

         6 October 2009 at 3:03 pm

         Don’t you mean “you’re so superior”?

         Fuck, i pity the person who has to edit the steaming piles of horse crap you excrete onto the pages of Critic.
         • HitchensFan 5.1.1.2.1

           6 October 2009 at 3:32 pm

           Hahaha. Agreed.
6. roger nome 6

   6 October 2009 at 2:50 pm

   Look forward to seeing you around campus TR.
7. TightyRighty 7

   6 October 2009 at 2:56 pm

   not likely. if your still at uni, i fear for the females in your tute’s. if you see the error of your ways i’ll see you in the MBC one day maybe?
   • HitchensFan 7.1

     6 October 2009 at 3:33 pm

     It’s “You’re” not “your”
     FFS. Otago’s standards must really have slipped.
     • TightyRighty 7.1.1

       6 October 2009 at 3:58 pm

       meh whatever you say grammar dick
       • HitchensFan 7.1.1.1

         6 October 2009 at 4:11 pm

         Such an impressive comeback. Now, go burn a couch or something.
         • TightyRighty 7.1.1.1.1

           6 October 2009 at 4:31 pm

           oooh, did the MSM tell you thats what all dunedin students are like? conformist.
           And on that note, I don’t know where this Dunedinite writing for the critic thing came from, but it’s not me. While I enjoy the humuor that is a regular feature of the critic, it isn’t me.
8. roger nome 8

   6 October 2009 at 2:59 pm

   “i fear for the females in your tute’s”

   What a vile insinuation. Vile and stupid – isn’t that the very definition of a troll?

   Come on TR – one coffee. Let’s see if you can debate face to face, or if you’re just as dull as your Critic pieces suggest.
   • snoozer 8.1

     6 October 2009 at 3:14 pm

     getting a bit personal you two.
   • TightyRighty 8.2

     6 October 2009 at 3:18 pm

     sure, one drink, not coffee as it’s to cliche. next time im dunedin which should be in around 3 weeks time, we’ll go to the cook, i’ll buy you a beer and let you chew my ear off as to why you know so much better than me. happy?
     • TightyRighty 8.2.1

       6 October 2009 at 4:39 pm

       where is roger? I’m hoping for his sake it’s class, because this is looking like a back down.
       • roger nome 8.2.1.1

         7 October 2009 at 9:25 am

         Can’t be here 24/7 to satisfy your need for attention, which apparently goes unfulfilled in the real world…

         The Cook is too cliche. I’m thinking the Craft bar in the Octagon. You can tell me about the two dimensional world you were taught about in Otago’s neoliberal economics class, then i’ll tell you why it was an oversimplification of things …
         • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1.1

           7 October 2009 at 10:23 am

           The craft bar blows. carbon copy of so many other bars in this fine land of ours. they do a mean hotpot though. is abalones still open? then i can enjoy capitalism with some long island ice teas and you can wring your hands in frustration as i get bored with your limp wristed view on life. dress code though, no self-effacing student clother. and definitely no badges explaining how frustrated you are with your parents for splashing out to send you to otago.
           • roger nome 8.2.1.1.1.1

             7 October 2009 at 10:41 am

             The Craft bar is only slightly better than the Cook (which is one of the crappiest and dullest bars in Dunedin – so it’s interesting that you chose it). Craft doesn’t stink, its staff are courteous and you generally don’t get extremely drunk and/or obnoxious fuckwits (though you may change that). Unfortunately that’s the most you can hope for out of a Dunedin bar these days.

             Also, Abalones died long ago.

             Don’t know why you assume that i come from a wealthy background (in fact the opposite is true). So that says more about you than it does me.
           • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1.1.2

             7 October 2009 at 11:32 am

             Dear Rogered,

             I don’t care for your critique of the Dunedin bar scene. i want to go somewhere where i can sit in comfort, do some work, read the paper and get drunk while i listen to what you have to say and reaffirm how little i think of you. a few girls at the place would help too in case you really are as much of a sad indvidual as i think you are.
           • roger nome 8.2.1.1.1.3

             7 October 2009 at 12:55 pm

             TR:

             Too bad. I don’t drink at the Cook – it stinks, serves shit beer and is often full of louts. So while you might fit in there, it’s not my cup of tea. Craft has cheap Monteiths if that helps.

             I hope you’re not such a tosser in person. Though i suspect once you meet me, you’ll be a meek wee lamb. Your type usually is.
           • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1.1.4

             7 October 2009 at 1:06 pm

             And your probably stupider than you seem in real life. I said I don’t care for your thoughts on the cook. The craft blows and if all you care about is cheap beer, then really, you’re no better than most of the drunken larrikins at the cook. Where else is good then you drooling knuckle-dragging troglodyte? the ori? or what about that cavernous wine bar on moray place? how about ra-bar?
           • roger nome 8.2.1.1.1.5

             7 October 2009 at 1:13 pm

             What’s wrong with wanting good cheap bear? Pretty sane i would have thought.

             The Ori doesn’t exist. Both Diluso and Pequino (the cavernous bars on moray place) are over-priced for what you get, and they’re too small for sociopaths like yourself to escape attention…

             Could just have a six-pack in the Queen’s Gardens. It isn’t so public if you start getting too lippy and require corrective measures ….
           • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1.1.6

             7 October 2009 at 2:48 pm

             yawn. ok then. a sixer of whatever shitty beer you drink it is then. i was going to raise your living standard by over 1000% for the evening, but if you persist in being tight, even though i offered to pay, so be it. and as for thinking that corrective measures might work with me, you want to make sure your arse can cover the cheques your mouth is writing. it will be good in a less public place, that way i’ll just look im taking out my poor, idiot, third cousin twice retarded.
           • roger nome 8.2.1.1.1.7

             8 October 2009 at 9:26 am

             Yawn – flap flap flap …. leave a message on my blog about when you want to meet. We’ll see if all the posturing comes to anything …

             http://rogernome.blogspot.com
           • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1.1.8

             8 October 2009 at 10:44 am

             isn’t a blog something you update at least once in a little while? you last post being over a year ago displays a pathetic lack of dedication the cause you espouse. but any way. i’ll post when im ready, then i can lie back and listen to the sound of a wet blanket wringing his hands in despair, while it never dawns on him, that the person he is talking at, doesn’t give a shit.
9. lprent 9

   6 October 2009 at 3:19 pm

   Yep. Leave it out you two or I may get into flamewar prevention mode…. I tend to dampen the fire down by removing the combustibles.
   • singularian 9.1

     6 October 2009 at 3:51 pm

     lprent – when you say stuff like this do you evil chuckle as you hit submit? or maybe you say it out loud through one of those crazy voice synthesizers?

     Need some context here.
     • IrishBill 9.1.1

       6 October 2009 at 3:55 pm

       Overstuffed leather swivel chair. Long-haired white cat. Nuff said.
10. George.com 10

    6 October 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Back to the drivers for a moment. On RNZ this afternoon people from the unions and company were interviewed about the work to rule and the lockout. The chap from the bus company was asked, ‘why the lockout when all the unions have said is that they will follow their exact job descriptions and rosters?’. NZ Bus man wasn’t ale to answer that clearly. Best he could come out with was along the lines of the drivers following their job descriptions and rosters would cause excessive disruption. His answer didn’t make him look particularly credible

    So the workers simply doing as they are instructed to do is excessively disruptive. We all know that work involves more than the explicit employment agreement, it requires tacit skills and the ‘implicit’ employment agreement as well. That said, if the bus company is so dependent on the drivers to make their service work, such that awork to rule will cuase significat disruption, maybe they should consider treating the workers a little better. If they rely so heavily on their staff to get the job done, be good to them.
    • George.com 10.1

      6 October 2009 at 11:25 pm

      herein apparently lies the problem for the company, the great disruption the drivers will cause:

      ‘NZ Bus refused to be drawn yesterday on the likely impact for about 70,000 daily passengers of a work-to-rule by drivers from Thursday, including five-minute toilet and exercise breaks between trips and a ban on operating defective buses.’

      Yup, most days the workers must have to wear a catheter and drive defective buses.
11. ropata 11

    6 October 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Does anyone have figures on how much council funding NZBus receives? Management pay scales vs. Drivers? Profit margins?
    There should be a contractual SLA with the city council(s) and attendant fines.
    The problem with corporations like this is their utter disconnection from the human community.

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