EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leader

Written By: - Date published: 9:07 am, October 20th, 2014 - 67 comments
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Announced this morning:

The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday.

“I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over the past two weeks, and the overwhelming feedback I’ve received is that our members support Andrew,” says Bill Newson, EPMU national secretary.

“We’ve had firsthand experience of his leadership, his dedication to working people, and his ability to rebuild and modernise an organisation. These are skills which will be vital for the Labour Party over the next three years.”

The National Executive chose not to recommend rankings for the other candidates, who bring their own strengths and abilities to the race.

“It’s really exciting that ordinary members of the Labour Party get to participate in this democratic process to elect a new leader,” says Bill Newson.

“There’s a great lineup of candidates. But based Andrew’s known strengths, the EPMU National Executive want to send a strong message that he is the best choice for the future of the party, and for working New Zealanders.”

No word on whether Buddy the cat will be his running mate.

67 comments on “EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leader ”

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  1. Tracey 1
    20 October 2014 at 9:25 am

    interesting that they dont wait to hear from all candidates. I can understand that for them they know him by his actions which is more powerful than words.

    • Lanthanide 1.1
      20 October 2014 at 9:42 am

      DC endorsing AL may also have been a minor influence as well.

    • Colonial Rawshark 1.2
      20 October 2014 at 1:42 pm

      As the EPMU have delegates and offices up and down the country, they will already know all the leadership contenders reasonably well.

      That’s the thing which I believe Robertson has miscalculated: members and unions heard from him just 12 months ago, last time he was vying for the leadership. Has enough changed to substantially shift support his way in that time?

      • Lanthanide 1.2.1
        20 October 2014 at 9:13 pm

        “That’s the thing which I believe Robertson has miscalculated”

        Miscalculated how? What exactly are you expecting him to have done differently for this new race?

        If Little hadn’t have stood, Grant would have a strong case to win the contest. But with Little standing, not so much.

  2. Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 2
    20 October 2014 at 9:46 am

    The cat is the astute one.
    What is the name of the dog?

  3. Tangled_up 3
    20 October 2014 at 9:48 am

    That’s a good endorsement.

    Perhaps Little should put it out there that should he win he would be happy for Arden to be deputy if the caucus wishes!

    • Not a PS Shark Sashimi 3.1
      20 October 2014 at 4:34 pm

      Humour or a Brain Fart, Tangled_up?

      That would not work at sooooooo many levels. A few of the nicer ones are:

      1. To have one leader a LIST MP, Mr/s. Tangled_up, may be regarded as a misfortune. To have both leaders LIST MPs looks like carelessness. (Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest)

      2. Ardern does not have a well defined constituency among the membership. She has public recognition but her performance at regional conferences has not done much for her

      3. By attaching herself so publically to the Robertson/ABC team she is now part of the problem that Little has to fix. Had she had not attached herself to Robertson she could have pleaded that she was only an unknowing bag-carrier in the ABC. That defence has now evaporatred. For ever.

      • Tangled_up 3.1.1
        20 October 2014 at 6:58 pm

        A bit of humour in that it would neutralise Robertson’s campaign boost i.e., the crowd-pleasing Ardern.

  4. Matthew Hooton 4
    20 October 2014 at 10:07 am

    [Deleted for blatant trolling.]

    • Sanctuary 4.1
      20 October 2014 at 10:16 am

      That’s right Mr. Hooton just like the USSR. That is why the Kommissars have come and taken you away.

      Oh wait, it’s just the right wing governments you like who do the disappearing these days.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.2
      20 October 2014 at 10:16 am

      Trading in death threats is quite Stalinist too, now you mention it. Do you think of Uncle Joe when you screw your pants on in the morning, or brainstorm new ways to tell old lies?

      What did he think of little helpers like you, I wonder.

    • KB 4.3
      20 October 2014 at 10:16 am

      What do you care about democracy? I would have thought you would be keen on having a one (National) party state.

    • felix 4.4
      20 October 2014 at 10:29 am

      Yes Matthew, unions are nasty, evil, dictatorial organisations.

      If only people had a choice whether to participate in them or not, eh?

    • Anne 4.5
      20 October 2014 at 10:34 am

      Do you actually believe what you say or is this your usual stirring? Trying to associate Andrew Little with communism? Trying to project an image of Union authoritarianism? If some of your past actions and utterances are any indication, you don’t really know what a “democracy” even is… let alone how it works in practice.

      Thanks for reminding me of the RNZ political segment coming up this morning. I will listen out for the latest puerile rendition of “twist and turn dirty politicking” by M. Hooton of “Hollow Men” fame.

      • Tracey 4.5.1
        20 October 2014 at 12:42 pm

        its what nats will do….

        hoots thinks if you admit to deliberately breaking a law you should be congratulated for your honesty. of course neither key nor hoots would make such an admission if the consequences were up to 2 years in prison…

        yup hoots trader in street addresses.. cover up of collaborative donor’s against the rules and now flouter of oia laws numerous times…

        what a guy….

        • phillip ure 4.5.1.1
          20 October 2014 at 12:55 pm

          “..hoots thinks if you admit to deliberately breaking a law you should be congratulated for your honesty…”

          ..and williams agreed..

          ..and he/williams was particularly stupid this morn..

          ..even ryan lost her patience with him..

          ..and pulled him up on some bit of bullshit he was trying to spout…

    • Clemgeopin 4.6
      20 October 2014 at 1:35 pm

      Do you get paid to make blatantly stupid, biased and nasty comments? If so, shame on you.

    • Not a PS Shark Sashimi 4.7
      20 October 2014 at 4:37 pm

      🙄

      Girls and boys, : roll : is the best response to idiots.

      Don’t argue with idiots: onlookers might not be able to tell the difference!

  5. Dont worry. Be happy 5
    20 October 2014 at 10:16 am

    @Matthew Hooten….you wouldnt know a democratic process if it bit you in the bum.

  6. Heather 6
    20 October 2014 at 11:03 am

    Glad to see that Hooten’s post has been deleted. The Labour Party election is not the business of the likes of Hooten and the right wing media, they are trying so hard to involve themselves at all levels and will try to ensure the election is a failure by their constant discrediting the candiates and invention of different issues, which are then blown out of all proportion.

  7. alwyn 7
    20 October 2014 at 11:43 am

    I am surprised that you bothered to post on this announcement.
    Alfred Harmsworth, the British newspaper owner, said it best
    “When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news.””
    It would have been news if the EPMU had not come out in support of Little. When they support him it is simply a ho-hum moment, surely?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1
      20 October 2014 at 11:46 am

      I’m surprised that you bothered to comment on this post, and still managed to say so little.

  8. Wayne 8
    20 October 2014 at 12:05 pm

    The deletion of Matthew Hooton’s comment (not that I know what it said) effectively encapsulates why I rarely comment on this site now. It has in essence become a site reserved only for “true believers”. No other viewpoints are to be heard, since they either represent “wrong thinking” or manipulation.

    Now of course you can operate the site on that basis, its your choice. But you can hardly accuse Matthew about “not car(ing) about democracy” if you take that approach.

    • blue leopard 8.1
      20 October 2014 at 12:12 pm

      I don’t see how you can draw that conclusion without knowing what Hooton said.

    • Ben Clark 8.2
      20 October 2014 at 12:14 pm

      Wayne, how often have you had comments removed?

      I would think probably never – because if people, like you, make your argument in a rational way, the moderators don’t censor.

      If you write blatant flame-bait (that you probably don’t even believe cf Matthew’s contribution) designed to derail the thread and just get everyone shouting at you, it doesn’t help the discussion at all.

      If I went on Kiwiblog and constantly compared all of John Key’s actions to Hitler (as opposed to ‘Uncle Joe’ here), I doubt my comments would last long either.

      • Anne 8.2.1
        20 October 2014 at 1:22 pm

        Wayne:
        I don’t think your comments/dissertations have ever been deleted Wayne. There is a big difference between your contributions and most of Matthew Hooton’s …

        Debate may be robust at times and you have to expect disagreements when commenting on a largely left- of- centre site, but you – as a sometime commenter – don’t usually set out to mischievously distort facts in the way Hooton frequently does.

        I do grant you there are times when some commenters here become a little too ‘robust’ but they are relatively few in number. Most of us try to be civil about it even when our feelings about something are very strong.

        On the RNZ political segment today Hooton was grossly unfair in his disparagement of The Standard blog-site. He keeps referring to us as “hard left bloggers/extremists”. That is a lie. There are a range of individuals from the hard- left through to the hard- right who regularly comment here. It is this kind of incorrect and/or exaggerated claim Hooton frequently puts about (whenever he can get away with it) that stirs the ire of moderators and commenters alike.

        • blue leopard 8.2.1.1
          20 October 2014 at 1:55 pm

          @ Anne,

          Re The comments of Hooton’s that you mention,

          What is this all about with people attacking ‘The Standard’?

          Has everyone forgotten that an active engaged citizenry is an important, no, essential part of democracy?

          That the discussion of, and sharing of, ideas is healthy?

          What the hell is going on in this country??

          These people criticizing ‘The Standard’ (or other left-wing blogs), I might add, are the ones with a lot of privilege, and here I mean that specifically in respects to their having a platform for their voice. They are the ones getting their opinions broadcast loud and clear. They have a platform and a very visible one and they are complaining about ordinary folk having discussions in a place where a few people may choose to go and view these opinions?

          The opinions shared here are not forced down peoples’ throats like they are on the radio, the papers and television. You switch on the TV or Radio to find out about your world and it is almost entirely infiltrated by a corporate slant – telling you how to view the subject matter and what way to think. Not simple facts, not balanced by diverse angles, no separation of opinion and fact – just one big blur.

          What is it with these people? They don’t want discussion nor anyone’ opinions but their own to be visible?

          • Anne 8.2.1.1.1
            20 October 2014 at 3:12 pm

            What is this all about with people attacking ‘The Standard’?

            Can be summed up in two words: Dirty Politics.

            Matthew Hooton is part of the right-wing plutocratic society that believes opponents must be destroyed (TS bloggers and commenters are opponents) at all cost and if that involves lies, deceit, blackmail, illegal acts etc. then so be it.

            Add to that… well known figures who , for one reason or another, have been criticised on this site and are therefore happy to go along with the ‘plutocratic’ meme out of revenge. You know who they are. Few of them have ever bothered to come here and read the plethora of excellent posts and the many intelligent and well thought through comments that go with them.

            • blue leopard 8.2.1.1.1.1
              20 October 2014 at 3:30 pm

              When I read the start of your answer re ‘Dirty Politics’ I was thinking “but, but, it has been left-wingers too”

              …and then I read the rest of your comment.

              Clonk

              Oh dear, it sounds like you have nailed it, thanks for the insight.

              It brings to mind this quote from Malcom X:

              “If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

              ― Malcolm X

              I hope the critical lefties are reading this thread.

          • wekarawshark 8.2.1.1.2
            20 October 2014 at 4:28 pm

            “What is this all about with people attacking ‘The Standard’?”

            The standard now has some influence and has proven it’s not going away. That scares some people.

        • RedBaronCV 8.2.1.2
          20 October 2014 at 7:39 pm

          If the likes of Mathew Hooten are having a go at us then we must be bothering someone. Long may that continue.

          Are we asking questions that are being picked up by mainstream reporters?
          Could someone at the Herald please ask Matty why he is picking on us??

    • One Anonymous Bloke 8.3
      20 October 2014 at 12:20 pm

      Matthew Hooton is a poor choice of mast to nail your colours to, Dr. Mapp. There’s plenty of evidence to support the view that people who trade in death threats are toxic to democracy.

    • Tracey 8.4
      20 October 2014 at 12:54 pm

      remember hoots behaviour from holowmen… giving hagers street address to someone wanting to harm hager…. admitting to blocking oias in contravention of the act for political purposes…. that carer for democracy?

    • Colonial Rawshark 8.5
      20 October 2014 at 1:38 pm

      Mate, if Hooton was comparing and contrasting the EPMU with the Soviet Union, then he deserved to get shit canned for blatant trolling and worthless provocation.

      An of course he can be accused of not caring about democracy. His comment was not aimed at furthering the kind of serious debate needed for democracy, merely disrupting and derailing it.

      It has in essence become a site reserved only for “true believers”. No other viewpoints are to be heard, since they either represent “wrong thinking” or manipulation.

      Just remind us – have you ever had a comment deleted Wayne, despite having your own separate and quite different viewpoint?

      • Wayne 8.5.1
        20 October 2014 at 2:35 pm

        Colonial Rawshark and others

        No, I have not had a post deleted, but I have noticed that my contributions have tended to generate a lot more intemperate comments than they used to do. In part my comment re Matthew’s deletion reflected that.

        I have certainly formed a belief that many people who regularly comment on this site would prefer not to hear a view from across the divide (so to speak), and this is expressed much more forthrightly than it used to be. Now I expected that to occur as the election loomed, but it seems to have continued since.

        I do regularly read the site, but only I contribute if I have a quite specific comment to make, such as pointing out Prime Ministers Clark commitments to the military effort in the Middle East in 2002 and 2003. But even that is likely to treated with comments about being part of the corporate structure of Amerika or such like.

        • Anne 8.5.1.1
          20 October 2014 at 3:30 pm

          Fair enough comment Wayne. I agree there has been a higher level of invective in recent times, but I think you can put that down to the Dirty Politics revelations and a feeling of deep anger about the election outcome.

          Much of that anger is directed at the MSM for their ongoing, one sided and often vindictive bias towards the left – and Labour in particular (yes, some of it was deserved but most of it wasn’t) – and the knowledge that many voters were manipulated into believing Labour was the perpetrator of the dirty politics when they were the prime target.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 8.5.1.2
          20 October 2014 at 3:36 pm

          Yep, well, you keep on promoting policies that directly result in more children dying from preventable diseases, exacerbating inequality, you’ll find increasing levels of “intemperate” behaviour at all levels, Dr. Mapp.

          Do you think people owe you polite discourse while you shit in the rivers?

          • geoff 8.5.1.2.1
            20 October 2014 at 7:44 pm

            Bingo! +1 OAB

            This all sounds like a version of the ‘But I am offended!’ routine from Wayne.

        • Colonial Rawshark 8.5.1.3
          20 October 2014 at 3:44 pm

          Wayne, I place you head and shoulders above many others on the Right for the simple fact that you value a serious level of engagement with us commentators on The Standard. Us who sit in darkened rooms, and all.

          Worth noting that the level of “intemperate comments” being made here on The Standard has since the elections been directed at politicians on both the Right *and* the Left.

          (I would actually suggest that some of the most scathing comments have been directed more Labour’s way…)

        • lprent 8.5.1.4
          20 October 2014 at 4:16 pm

          Now I expected that to occur as the election loomed, but it seems to have continued since.

          I am not saying you are one, but I know that the revelations in “Dirty politics” has rather reduced my level of tolerance for the trolls of the right. I have deliberately started banning them for months rather than weeks.

          I suspect that revelation that National, John Key’s ‘office’, and self-seeking interest groups like the grocery council pay the arseholes of the blogs to deliberately target policy critics has worn down my tolerance. Like the current attack that is being run on public health professionals by the government’s sock puppets. Maybe it is being paid for by National’s new health minister and maybe for a group run by ex-National MPs like Katherine Rich.

          The net result is that I really have quite strong suspicions there are few people of good will on the right. They rather appear to be all tainted with the vile excremental sewerage of Cameron Slater, Jason Ede, Carrick Graham, Cathy Odgers, Lusk, Jordan Williams, Katherine Rich, etc. I can’t see any particular reason to not suspect that many of the voices of the “right’ here aren’t playing those silly games that undermine debate because they’re too busy playing short-term games.

          It is a pity that you get caught in the middle. But that appears to be what they wanted.

          • Not a PS Shark Sashimi 8.5.1.4.1
            20 October 2014 at 4:44 pm

            You have our 100% backing Lyn.

            Anyone on the left who thinks there is advantage to the left from engagement with paid propagandists of our enemy is an idiot.

            As for Stuart Nash’s engagement with these vessels: he is not an idiot and therefore he must be a charlatan. He must be expelled.

          • Colonial Rawshark 8.5.1.4.2
            20 October 2014 at 9:05 pm

            The net result is that I really have quite strong suspicions there are few people of good will on the right.

            There are a few. The ones who worked with Nicky Hager, for instance. The question is, the qualities of people they deliberately select for towards the top of their hierarchy. More goal driven, less empathetic, more materialistic, less ethical and philosophical.

        • RedBaronCV 8.5.1.5
          20 October 2014 at 7:46 pm

          So Wayne why do you come over here? Generally speaking you hand down a point of view from the Mount and then seem surprised that there is disagreement. I also notice that you rarely engage on matters such as housing and child poverty that are of real left wing interest.

          I assume you are not really wasting your time on conversion so my default assumption is that you are trying to defuse points of view that are making real headway in the focus groups. ( so that today you are trying to shore up a RW commentator that is perhaps/ maybe attempting to paint this modest blog on the far side of Lenin??

          • Tracey 8.5.1.5.1
            21 October 2014 at 9:11 am

            Foreign affairs is his stated area of interest. That tends to be what he comments on. He has no obligation to comment on anything else. He’s a busy Law Commissioner too.

        • Tracey 8.5.1.6
          21 October 2014 at 8:21 am

          as with most things in life wayne its best to act or say because of something you want to achieve or get off your chest rather than for the positive response someone gives you. I try to remind myself of this when posting

  9. Tom Gould 9
    20 October 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Not really surprising that his own union has endorsed him. It doesn’t mean that much, really, because the delegates are free to vote for whomever they themselves choose. So there will likely be some voting for Parker and Robertson and Mahuta. I’m curious to know how each of the candidates for election get to ‘pitch’ the delegates for their vote, however? Anyone know? And how do the actual rank and file who pay the dues get to influence their delegates’ votes? Just asking.

  10. Binders full of women 10
    20 October 2014 at 8:24 pm

    C,mon lprent it,s a Monday and I need cheering up…. What did Mathew say? Wanna know if I need to hate him…..

    • Matthew Hooton 10.1
      21 October 2014 at 8:03 am

      That the idea of a unanimous vote sounds Soviet to me and that the EPMU process is not really democratic because ordinary members don’t get to vote directly (unlike the SFWU).

      • Tracey 10.1.1
        21 October 2014 at 8:23 am

        how do you describe a system whereby a candidate buys memberships for people so they can vote for him or her

        • Matthew Hooton 10.1.1.1
          21 October 2014 at 8:25 am

          A routine and corrupt practice

          • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.1.1.1
            21 October 2014 at 8:41 am

            Translation: Exceltium helps our clients do this all the time.

          • Tracey 10.1.1.1.2
            21 October 2014 at 8:54 am

            Thanks, sonot democratic.

            Is honesty about deceptive practices your new strategum? That’s twice in two days. Do you believe if you are honest about deceiving people and lying to them and breaking the law (OIA) to get what you want and much later admitting it makes it ok?

            • Chooky 10.1.1.1.2.1
              21 October 2014 at 11:14 am

              +100 Tracey …a very good analysis of Hooton’s duplicitous psychology and PR spinning as usual

              …pity other media outlets dont see through him as clearly as you do!

              • Tracey …
                21 October 2014 at 11:30 am

                he’s following Key’s lead, who is following Joyce, who is following Crosby Textor… the new line is tell the truth about your appalling behaviour, the punters love it… presumably cos they do deceptive stuff and it will make them feel it’s ok in themselves if you do it…

                how many of these people have children I wonder?

                I chuckled yesterday when Hoots was slating Gould doing a review and championing Joyce being brought in after English led them to 20% in 2002… Funny how the arrival of Joyce as reviewer was the beginning of cirty politics… speech at Orewa (racism – kiwi iwi) Hollowmen Bretheren… and accelerated toward the state of play outlined in Dirty POlitics and admitted by Key and Hoots regarding deliberately breaching the OIA…

                BUT that is how Hoots thinks…

    • Chooky 10.2
      21 October 2014 at 8:45 am

      @ Binders full of women

      Hooton is backing Grant Robertson and Jacinda Adern as the best options for Labour leadership….(say no more! )

      .. heard it on Kathryn Ryan’s political ‘Hooton Right Wing Spin Programme’…also heard on this programme is that on the Standard the people get it all wrong on politics….lol…so why does Hooton keep coming here?)

      • Tracey 10.2.1
        21 October 2014 at 9:12 am

        Hoots doesn’t understand a blog that isn’t centrally a direct or indirect tool of a political party.

  11. Michael 11
    20 October 2014 at 9:37 pm

    EPMU had to endorse Little: he’s a life member. There is surprisingly little support for him from rank and file unionists, indicating that they were not well served by him during his time there. To me, that indicates Little is likely to treat grassroots Party members the same way, which is not what I want for our next leader. OTOH, I’m not sure whether any of the other candidates are really up for genuine dialogue with Party members.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1
      20 October 2014 at 10:13 pm

      There is surprisingly little support for him from rank and file unionists, says a right winger making unsupported assertions in bad faith.

      Edit: possibly a different Michael, still needs some sort of evidence to back it up.

  12. Cave Johnson 12
    21 October 2014 at 6:34 am

    This piece on Little from 2009 in the NBR (David Farrar) makes for some interesting background reading.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/david-farrar/david-farrarthe-rise-and-rise-andrew-little

  13. Arandar 13
    21 October 2014 at 9:47 am

    Expecting the RW attack dogs to hound Little. They have to – he’s a real threat to all their vested interests.

  14. paddy 14
    21 October 2014 at 4:52 pm

    If Robertson the traitor is hailed by Hooton then I’m all for Andrew Little. The champion of the Left and the candidate chosen by the last and best leader David Cunliffe.

  15. SeanExile 15
    21 October 2014 at 7:23 pm

    This support isn’t exactly surprising. Little has union support, especially from people higher up in the unions. Those lower down I am not sure. I have heard both good and bad, quite a bit of complaints. Quite a few of us knew that unions weren’t lining up for Cunliffe this time around. The natural choice is Little. But its a lukewarm choice in many quarters.
    Thats not necessarily a bad thing.
    Little is pretty central in his policies for a union man. He knows compromise and understand that the most important thing for a member is to have a job. We should remember that, having a job isn’t a right and we need a partnership with the owners of the production means to build this country.
    Those looking for mister confrontational or screaming left winger should not vote for him, they should vote for our left wing lady candidate.

    I am more worried that Little couldn’t challenge at all in his own electorate. It was after all taken and held by Labour for several cycles during the Clark years. Little needs to resonate in places such as New Plymouth if Labour is to stand a chance to topple John Key. Those are battlegrounds and Littles results there are plain awful. That scares me, it also scares me to have a union man leading the party. While I have the greatest respect for our unions a lot of the population is scared of them for reasons we can all discuss. But its an additional hurdle and Little will have to come with a strategy for how to overcome it.

    • Colonial Rawshark 15.1
      21 October 2014 at 7:27 pm

      S.E. what a carefully crafted comment, full of cautiously balanced remarks and meticulously chosen wording.

    • Kiwiri - Raided of the Last Shark 15.2
      21 October 2014 at 8:35 pm

      Regarding your comments, my opinion is that our lady candidate is neither “mister” confrontational nor a “screaming” left winger.

      Her aunt has been well-known to carry herself with mana and maintain integrity, and to date, Nanaia has conducted herself accordingly.

      The foreshore and seabed issues challenged her and she came through them well given the cards that were dealt then. She stood strong for Maori perspectives when general public opinion made it challenging to do so politically and personally, yet she was part of the legislative decision and process that preserved public access to beaches, recognised a range of Maori rights, and maintained the legal right of claims to go through the ToW settlement process.

      No doubt, the layers, nuances and complexities of tribal politics to which she would be exposed would make parliamentary politics seem quite straightforward.

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  • While we wait patiently, our new Minister of Education is up and going with a 100-day action plan
    Sorry to say, the government’s official website is still out of action. When Point of Order paid its daily visit, the message was the same as it has been for the past week: Site under maintenance Beehive.govt.nz is currently under maintenance. We will be back shortly. Thank you for your ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Hysterical bullshit
    Radio NZ reports: Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has accused the new government of “deliberate .. systemic genocide” over its policies to roll back the smokefree policy and the Māori Health Authority. The left love hysterical language. If you oppose racial quotas in laws, you are a racist. And now if you sack ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • ELE LUDEMANN: It wasn’t just $55 million
    Ele Ludemann writes –  Winston Peters reckons media outlets were bribed by the $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund. He is not the first to make such an accusation. Last year, the Platform outlined conditions media signed up to in return for funds from the PJIF: . . . ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Weekly Roundup 1-December-2023
    Wow, it’s December already, and it’s a Friday. So here are few things that caught our attention recently. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt covered the new government’s coalition agreements and what they mean for transport. On Tuesday Matt looked at AT’s plans for fare increases ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    3 days ago

  • Shane MacGowan Is Gone.
    Late 1996, The Dogs Bollix, Tamaki Makaurau.I’m at the front of the bar yelling my order to the bartender, jostling with other thirsty punters on a Friday night, keen to piss their wages up against a wall letting loose. The black stuff, long luscious pints of creamy goodness. Back down ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • The Hoon around the week to Dec 1
    Nicola Willis, Chris Bishop and other National, ACT and NZ First MPs applaud the signing of the coalition agreements, which included the reversal of anti-smoking measures while accelerating tax cuts for landlords. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • 2023 More Reading: November (+ Writing Update)
    Completed reads for November: A Modern Utopia, by H.G. Wells The Vampire (poem), by Heinrich August Ossenfelder The Corpus Hermeticum The Corpus Hermeticum is Mead’s translation. Now, this is indeed a very quiet month for reading. But there is a reason for that… You see, ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    3 days ago

  • Forward to 2017
    The coalition party agreements are mainly about returning to 2017 when National lost power. They show commonalities but also some serious divergencies.The two coalition agreements – one National and ACT, the other National and New Zealand First – are more than policy documents. They also describe the processes of the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    3 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Finally
    Henry Kissinger is finally dead. Good fucking riddance. While Americans loved him, he was a war criminal, responsible for most of the atrocities of the final quarter of the twentieth century. Cambodia. Bangladesh. Chile. East Timor. All Kissinger. Because of these crimes, Americans revere him as a "statesman" (which says ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Government in a hurry – Luxon lists 49 priorities in 100-day plan while Peters pledges to strength...
    Buzz from the Beehive Yes, ministers in the new government are delivering speeches and releasing press statements. But the message on the government’s official website was the same as it has been for the past several days, when Point of Order went looking for news from the Beehive that had ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Luxon is absolutely right
    David Farrar writes  –  1 News reports: Christopher Luxon says he was told by some Kiwis on the campaign trail they “didn’t know” the difference between Waka Kotahi, Te Pūkenga and Te Whatu Ora. Speaking to Breakfast, the incoming prime minister said having English first on government agencies will “make sure” ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Top 10 at 10 am for Thursday, Nov 30
    There are fears that mooted changes to building consent liability could end up driving the building industry into an uninsured hole. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of the top 10 news and analysis links elsewhere as of 10 am on Thursday, November 30, including:The new Government’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on how climate change threatens cricket‘s future
    Well that didn’t last long, did it? Mere days after taking on what he called the “awesome responsibility” of being Prime Minister, M Christopher Luxon has started blaming everyone else, and complaining that he has inherited “economic vandalism on an unprecedented scale” – which is how most of us are ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • We need to talk about Tory.
    The first I knew of the news about Tory Whanau was when a tweet came up in my feed.The sort of tweet that makes you question humanity, or at least why you bother with Twitter. Which is increasingly a cesspit of vile inhabitants who lurk spreading negativity, hate, and every ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Dangling Transport Solutions
    Cable Cars, Gondolas, Ropeways and Aerial Trams are all names for essentially the same technology and the world’s biggest maker of them are here to sell them as an public transport solution. Stuff reports: Austrian cable car company Doppelmayr has launched its case for adding aerial cable cars to New ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • November AMA
    Hi,It’s been awhile since I’ve done an Ask-Me-Anything on here, so today’s the day. Ask anything you like in the comments section, and I’ll be checking in today and tomorrow to answer.Leave a commentNext week I’ll be giving away a bunch of these Mister Organ blu-rays for readers in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    4 days ago

  • National’s early moves adding to cost of living pressure
    The cost of living grind continues, and the economic and inflation honeymoon is over before it began. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: PM Christopher Luxon unveiled his 100 day plan yesterday with an avowed focus of reducing cost-of-living pressures, but his Government’s initial moves and promises are actually elevating ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Backwards to the future
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has confirmed that it will be back to the future on planning legislation. This will be just one of a number of moves which will see the new government go backwards as it repeals and cost-cuts its way into power. They will completely repeal one ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • New initiatives in science and technology could point the way ahead for Luxon government
    As the new government settles into the Beehive, expectations are high that it can sort out some  of  the  economic issues  confronting  New Zealand. It may take time for some new  ministers to get to grips with the range of their portfolio work and responsibilities before they can launch the  changes that  ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    4 days ago

  • Treaty pledge to secure funding is contentious – but is Peters being pursued by a lynch mob after ...
    TV3 political editor Jenna Lynch was among the corps of political reporters who bridled, when Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters told them what he thinks of them (which is not much). She was unabashed about letting her audience know she had bridled. More usefully, she drew attention to something which ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • How long does this last?
    I have a clear memory of every election since 1969 in this plucky little nation of ours. I swear I cannot recall a single one where the question being asked repeatedly in the first week of the new government was: how long do you reckon they’ll last? And that includes all ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • National’s giveaway politics
    We already know that national plans to boost smoking rates to collect more tobacco tax so they can give huge tax-cuts to mega-landlords. But this morning that policy got even more obscene - because it turns out that the tax cut is retrospective: Residential landlords will be able to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • CHRIS TROTTER: Who’s driving the right-wing bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In 2023, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • GRAHAM ADAMS:  Media knives flashing for Luxon’s government
    The fear and loathing among legacy journalists is astonishing Graham Adams writes – No one is going to die wondering how some of the nation’s most influential journalists personally view the new National-led government. It has become abundantly clear within a few days of the coalition agreements ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    4 days ago

  • Top 10 news links for Wednesday, Nov 29
    TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere for Wednesday November 29, including:The early return of interest deductibility for landlords could see rebates paid on previous taxes and the cost increase to $3 billion from National’s initial estimate of $2.1 billion, CTU Economist Craig Renney estimated here last ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Smokefree Fallout and a High Profile Resignation.
    The day after being sworn in the new cabinet met yesterday, to enjoy their honeymoon phase. You remember, that period after a new government takes power where the country, and the media, are optimistic about them, because they haven’t had a chance to stuff anything about yet.Sadly the nuptials complete ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • As Cabinet revs up, building plans go on hold
    Wellington Council hoardings proclaim its preparations for population growth, but around the country councils are putting things on hold in the absence of clear funding pathways for infrastructure, and despite exploding migrant numbers. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Cabinet meets in earnest today to consider the new Government’s 100-day ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • National takes over infrastructure
    Though New Zealand First may have had ambitions to run the infrastructure portfolios, National would seem to have ended up firmly in control of them.  POLITIK has obtained a private memo to members of Infrastructure NZ yesterday, which shows that the peak organisation for infrastructure sees  National MPs Chris ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • At a glance – Evidence for global warming
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Who’s Driving The Right-Wing Bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In ...
    Bowalley Road
    5 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • National’s murderous smoking policy
    One of the big underlying problems in our political system is the prevalence of short-term thinking, most usually seen in the periodic massive infrastructure failures at a local government level caused by them skimping on maintenance to Keep Rates Low. But the new government has given us a new example, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago

  • NZ has a chance to rise again as our new government gets spending under control
    New Zealand has  a chance  to  rise  again. Under the  previous  government, the  number of New Zealanders below the poverty line was increasing  year by year. The Luxon-led government  must reverse that trend – and set about stabilising  the  pillars  of the economy. After the  mismanagement  of the outgoing government created   huge ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    5 days ago

  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago

  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    6 days ago

  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago

  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago

  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    7 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    7 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    7 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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