FIFY

Written By: - Date published: 2:05 pm, March 2nd, 2012 - 25 comments
Categories: bill english, employment, jobs, john key, national - Tags: ,

Nice Mr Key said

This is a Budget that will see 170,000 new jobs created.

But Bill English said:

“A government can’t have a lot of impact on the job market. It is what it is.”

Mr Key was just spouting useless rhetoric, as usual, and Mr English was only half right. The proper quote should be:

“A National government can’t have a lot of impact on the job market. It is what it is.”

Fixed it for you.

25 comments on “FIFY”

  1. Uturn 1

    “A National government can’t have a positive impact on the job market. It is what it is.”

    FIFY

  2. Vicky32 2

    One thing I needed yo know – what FIFY means. Now, may I assume it’s “fixed it for you”? 😀

  3. tsmithfield 3

    If the sole measure of success is the number of jobs, then governments get in the way rather than help. Here are some basic things governments do that put a lid on jobs:

    1. Minimum wage.
    2. Social welfare benefits.

    If neither of those existed, then the unemployment rate would evaporate very quickly I suspect, as work that was uneconomical at those levels would become economical at a lower rate. Also, the lower rate would be attractive because it would not be competing with the various social welfare benefits.

    • McFlock 3.1

      Lol.

      Yeah, I forgot that there were no unemployed people prior to the minimum wage and social welfare. /sarc

    • Draco T Bastard 3.2

      Here’s some things that RWNJs do to ensure that nobody but them has a decent living standard and that it becomes really easy for them to threaten people and thus make them serfs and slaves:

      1.) Remove the minimum wage
      2.) Remove social welfare

      • ianmac 3.2.1

        Unless of course it is someone like TS becomes ill or gets the sack for playing on the Net during working hours. He of course would spurn any form of welfare and soldier on penniless or is that centsless?

    • Kaplan 3.3

      Move to Bangladesh TS. You’d love it there.

      • tsmithfield 3.3.1

        Duh. I only said if. I didn’t actually say I wanted those things abolished. The fact remains that there probably would be more jobs. Probably not well paid though. That being the case, our governments do take actions that reduce jobs through minimum wages, welfare benefits etc.

        • felix 3.3.1.1

          Correct, you didn’t actually say anything.

          Thanks for your input.

          • Colonial Viper 3.3.1.1.1

            If eliminating the minimum wage and social benefits won’t get rid of unemployment, perhaps weekly beatings for anyone unemployed will quickly create the growth in high skill, high wage jobs we are all waiting for?

    • lefty 3.4

      That’s why there is no one unemployed in countries with no minimum wage and no social securtiy net is it?

      OOPs can’t be, because those countries have even higher unemployment than us.

    • Foreign Waka 3.5

      To create jobs NZ will need the production, distribution and innovation hub for a product that people want and need plus has a reasonable product life cycle. Except from commodities, food and animals what has NZ produced, distributed and innovated (ongoing) to give the economy those jobs? The companies have no real stake in NZ as most of them are global and 4.2 Mil people are but a blip on the world wide consumer landscape. The issue is far more complex and deserves a bit more than just throwing mud, from all directions I may add.
      How about processing the wood that we export in the final product these countries undertake once the logs are there? Expanding on the concept of milk and milk related food stuffs. For example, Cadbury is producing the chocolate in Australia and we do not get it any cheaper. So why are we doing this? Now there are points the Government strategic and economic advisers can earn their money and the PM should get his priorities right. As for the Finance Minister, I won’t hold my breath as this job would demand someone who has more knowledge than how to share a sheep (and there is nothing wrong with that).

    • mik e 3.6

      tsm has been tried and failed miserably. Argentina tried it and unemployment went from 6% to 38%

  4. Fisiani 4

    Of course the 62,000 employed under National does not count here.
    John Key explains how Government creates the conditions for employment. It should not set about being the employer.
    http://www.johnkey.co.nz/archives/1408-Key-Notes-Special-Edition-on-Welfare-Reform.html

    • RedLogix 4.1

      And how many jobs were destroyed at the same time fisi?

      • Akldnut 4.1.1

        “It should not set about being the employer.”

        Good point – there’s 61 people in the Beehive screwing us right now that should be the first to go.

    • Colonial Viper 4.2

      Of course the 62,000 employed under National does not count here.

      Directors positions for Jenny Shipley and her mates should first be deducted from the above total.

      And the couple of dozen cycleway jobs created by National need to be added.

  5. felix 5

    Please ignore tsmithfield, he’s trolling.

    He wants you to focus on the provocative part of his comment when all you need to do is reject his first sentence and be done with him.

  6. Ad 6

    We can probably recall a time where central government had massive levers over the entire economy – it employed almost the entire utility construction sector, the entire telecommunications sector, the entire energy sector, the steel manufacturing sector, and owned quite a lot of the banking sector. And wish we could return at least in part to that moment in history.

    We really can Own Our Own Future if the public – through the government – owns major parts of business here. It’s not popular theory. It’s certainly not fashionable here. But look to Temasek or indeed to the recent Gordon Campbell article on the usefulness of state-directed capitalism through public control of public corporations. We really can have the capacity to change employment – the definition of agency – if we are prepared to support a strong public sector.

    There is no middle ground now between local public ownership and foreign ownership, because we have left it too late to develop a local capital market. We seriously need a great surge in economic nationalism – sparked by the public fear of loss of economic sovereignty through land sales – because we have no other way to reverse the hollowing-out of private capital to overseas interests.

    To those who worry that this theme is state capitalism gone mad, I would respond that the world has gone mad and we are in a massive and sustained crisis of capital that will currently end with states having no power other than a residual one as regulators of the market, and then only minimally so.

    My next election vote will go to the party with the greatest expression of economic patriotism. That’s where the jobs lie.

  7. Hami Shearlie 7

    Apparently in the last wee while there have been 15,000 new part -time jobs created! Whooo-hoooo!
    Unfortunately, in the same last wee while there have been 13,000 full-time jobs which have disappeared! Not so whooo-hoooo now, are we Mr Key!

    I hear talk from NZ first about having a community wage, which sounds a bit like work-for-the-dole in the 1990’s, I think. It failed, because places like schools etc, were taking on work-for-the-dole people to do work around the schools, like painting etc which was economically good for the school, but all the painters who the school had previously hired to do the work, complained that the scheme was destroying their businesses!! So really, the only work that unemployed people could do, without destroying workers jobs would be work done now by volunteers, like meals-on-wheels, volunteering at hospitals to direct patients to appointments, helping the Cancer Society to take patients to and from chemotherapy, helping at the Sallies foodbanks or op-shops, or perhaps removing all the rubbish from the islands in the Hauraki Gulf etc! Maybe even topping up homecare hours for the elderly, instead of their allotted 2 hours per week, the unemployed could give them another two hours, thereby not interfering with the jobs of the people already employed in this way! These kinds of work-for-the-dole schemes all sound good until you look more closely!!

    I’d be interested in what others think about this!

    • Vicky32 7.1

      These kinds of work-for-the-dole schemes all sound good until you look more closely!!

      Last time these schemes were tried, our local primary school was one of the organisations, along with the Sallies, that refused to take part, because the scheme would take jobs from people as in your example of the painters. So, the experiment didn’t last very long.

  8. I’ve been reading The Standard for a long while now and marveling at the shallowness of some of the Rightwing commentors who hang out here , but this nose-dive by tsmithfield is perhaps the best I’ve seen and was worth the wait.

    • tc 8.1

      The right side is all about them and not a wider view where the whole of society benefits or gets a fair go so it tends to be shallow, self serving and insular as so few are invited. then there’s the inbreeding so best look away.

  9. There is a strong tie between key and goldman sachs here in nz.
    Is English really the finance minister?
    Does English really have any say on all things jobs,growth,benefits etc?
    Why would he, when Philip Borkin a Goldman Sachs economist is right here in nz
    supporting key,there is an office,goldman sachs nz ltd in auckland,Borkin’s place of
    employment.
    That would explain the rush to run up debt to historic levels,the irresponsible
    spending on questionable targets,the ‘austeritising’ of the nz economy,the
    oppression of the workers for extra profit for key’s mates and corporate mates,
    putting in ‘key’ friendly mates in the media organisations,selling of our asssets,
    welcoming in fracking and oil exploration of our precious land and sea,the
    list goes on,the proof is all there,however the media are ‘key’ owned
    so all of the information wont get the time of day,wheres wiki?

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  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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