Key abandons Treaty settlement deadline

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1. Dancer 1

   5 March 2008 at 5:16 pm

   he really is having a bit of a bad day isn’t he? do you think he realises that a PM has to have actual opinions (as opposed to a range of options) and be on top the detail?
2. insider 2

   5 March 2008 at 5:17 pm

   Scoop has a clarifying media release where he says he made a mistake. Have Labour ever said they were wrong? It’s refreshing in some respects.
3. Tane 3

   5 March 2008 at 5:20 pm

   His chief spin doctor is on holiday. I reckon it’s probably that simple. Yesterday and today were John Key unspun, and it’s been tragic.
4. Pablo 4

   5 March 2008 at 5:24 pm

   Of course it was a mistake Insider – he didn’t know his stuff like he should have. Clarke in 1999 would never have made these cock-ups.

   Key is clearly trying one of the Standardista suggestions – just apologise and move on. Works if you make an error of fact, but if you make one per week you’ll like like a fool sooner rather than later.
5. gobsmacked 5

   5 March 2008 at 6:20 pm

   Come on Bill English, just put him out of his misery. It’s painful to watch.
6. out of bed 6

   5 March 2008 at 6:21 pm

   roll on the election leadership debates
7. burt 7

   5 March 2008 at 6:54 pm

   all_your_base

   This is BIG news, it makes that HB-DHB corruption scandal look like a some form of schoolboy prank. Holly, can you imagine how serious it is when somebody makes a mistake, this is horrific. Now people doing things like appointing people to DHB’s so they can short circuit govt tender processes etc, they were not mistakes so I guess we just need to move on and focus on the really big stuff – like this.

   Good work all_your_base, this is gonna see Key dumped from the National party. That is unless he can keep his thoughts clear and remember to use the magical phrase – “Move on”.
8. Tamaki resident 8

   5 March 2008 at 8:07 pm

   I certainly expect a leader of a major political party to be able to think on his feet without stumbling and getting thibgs completely wrong. This is hardly “PM in waiting” stuff as surely this was something he campaigned on last election!
9. tom-tom 9

   5 March 2008 at 8:19 pm

   Don’t be cruel. It’s easy to get tongue-tied when its forked.
10. the sprout 10

    5 March 2008 at 8:43 pm

    well slippery kind of accords with Hone Harawera’s description of Key

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipmtupBjWw4

    coalition partner anyone?
11. the sprout 11

    5 March 2008 at 8:55 pm

    god Key’s hopeless under pressure – that kind of meltdown in the face of a tory, former National party interviewer!

    like Brash, it’s as if he’s unused to not being surrounded by yes-men and can’t seem to handle having his vacuous platitudes questioned.
12. mike 12

    5 March 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “roll on the election leadership debates’

    Key will have Goff for breakfast.
    BTW did anyone see Goffy foaming at the mouth in the house today it cringeworthy stuff
13. all_your_base 13

    5 March 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Hey burt, I quite agree that the odd small mistake is probably forgivable but now we have him saying:

    we should(n’t) have gone to war in Iraq: mistake?
    climate change is(n’t) a hoax: mistake?
    we would(n’t) love to see wages drop: mistake?
    we would(n’t) privatise the schools: mistake?
    we would(n’t) drop part charges on GP visits: mistake?

    and so on… it’s only a partial list! It’s absolutely ridiculous.

    This is well beyond the “in a Labour Party I lead” type comment. This is a man who wants to lead New Zealand.

    If these are “mistakes” he doesn’t have what it takes to lead. If they’re not, he doesn’t deserve to.
14. the sprout 14

    5 March 2008 at 10:35 pm

    if i were in the National caucus i’d be starting to worry about what would happen to my party if Key did become PM
15. out of bed 15

    5 March 2008 at 11:00 pm

    “if Key did become PM”

    Can’t see it
16. lurgee 16

    5 March 2008 at 11:23 pm

    As recently as the 1st of February, JK seemed a lot clearer about this:

    The National Party Caucus today moved to confirm its position on the future of the Maori seats, which involves tying their abolition to the settlement of historic Treaty claims.

    “The Caucus today confirmed that the Maori seats will be abolished, which we anticipate will take place around the time of settlement of historic Treaty claims,” says National Party Leader John Key.

    “Around the time of the last settlement – which we anticipate will be in 2014 – National will begin a constitutional process to abolish the seats. The reason for such a process is that this is a major change of interest to all New Zealanders.

    “National will also ensure more resources are available to help speed up the claims settlement process.

    “I want to see an inclusive, tolerant society, where every New Zealander is equal before the law.

    “National thinks there’s no place for ethnically-based electoral systems in 21st Century New Zealand,” says Mr Key.

    (http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=9245)

    Obviously, he doesn’t read his own press releases.
17. burt 17

    5 March 2008 at 11:32 pm

    all_your_base

    and so on it’s only a partial list! It’s absolutely ridiculous.

    I agree, but then I don’t vote National either so I would say that. The problem you have is Steve went thread post crazy (must have been the full moon & the heat) with “Key wants to drop wages” and so your legitimate ridicule threads get lost in the noise.

    Turn down the volume, crank up the quality.
18. James Kearney 18

    5 March 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I haven’t seen any evidence of anything getting lost in any noise here burt. If you want to see volume over quality head over to DPF’s place.
19. out of bed 19

    5 March 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for
    maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say
    hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the Russian financial crisis in
    1998.
20. James Kearney 20

    5 March 2008 at 11:48 pm

    It was five hundred mate-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df111uej2KI

    and he didn’t give a damn.
21. out of bed 21

    6 March 2008 at 8:27 am

    So which is the more apt moniker ?
    “the smiling assassin’ or
    “Slippery John”
22. r0b 22

    6 March 2008 at 8:50 am

    lurgee – interesting – 1st February eh! Well, you know what they say, a week is a long time in politics. Long anough to forget your own policy apparently.
23. lurgee 23

    6 March 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Shoot me now. That was 1st of February, 2007, not 2008.

    Still, the policy was clearly stated, albeit not quite as recently as I thought.

    Hope I didn’t get y’all too excited!
24. r0b 24

    6 March 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Hope I didn’t get y’all too excited!

    Damn – now what am I going to do with all this champagne?
25. lurgee 25

    6 March 2008 at 8:55 pm

    End of the day, it was still Key stating that National anticipated all treaty claims would be settled in 2014. No wriggle room there. He made a bollocks of it, and he’s made it worse by trying to de-bollocks it.

    He should have told the truth, said, “Sorry, I came over all ditzy for a moment, that’s what happens when you are a man of no substance, I am too ephermal for my own good, ha ha. Now,lets just foget about that and go back to being mean to talking about policy. Oh, wait a minute …”

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