Last day to submit on Auckland plan

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1. karol 1

   31 May 2013 at 7:55 am

   Thanks. Glad the plan has got a lot of interest and engagement from Aucklanders.

   Want to see a stronger voice for us renters.
2. mickysavage 2

   31 May 2013 at 8:48 am

   Just to confirm it is the last day to submit on the DRAFT plan. There will also be the chance to submit on the proposed plan when it is advertised and a full consultation process will follow. But the Generation Zero stuff is really good. If only the Council’s PR was this sharp.
3. ratesarerevolting 3

   31 May 2013 at 9:21 am

   And for an alternative view to that of Gen Zero see the site below

   http://auckland2040.org.nz/?Home

   Whichever view you prefer please submit today and have your say.
   • Molly 3.1

     31 May 2013 at 9:35 am

     Can’t find any mention on that site of the Urban Design Manual (admittedly not yet released) that developments would have to comply with.

     From questions during Unitary Plan meetings it has been confirmed that manual deals with the shading of neighbourhood properties – which seems to be a concern.

     The manual is to be released with the Unitary Plan in September, so we have another opportunity to submit with further information then.
   • mickysavage 3.2

     31 May 2013 at 10:35 am

     I spotted a slight problem with your site RR in the first sentence. it said “Auckland 2040 is a coalition of local non political groups passionately concerned about the long term implications of the draft Unitary Plan.”

     The sentence is a porkie. The site is a front for right wing politicians and until recently had a message of support for Dick Quax and George Wood on the front page.

     Lets have a look at sentence 2. It talks about “rebalancing” Funny that, the draft plan talks about 60 to 70% of development being within current limits and the rest in greenfields areas. The sentence is disingenuous at best.

     Next few paragraphs

     “Focusing intensification into localities well served by roading, infrastructure and public transport.
     Coordinated development with infrastructure capability
     Protection of character of residential neighbourhoods
     Meaningful community involvement in areas of planned intensification.”

     Sounds like the draft plan with a bit of work. Oh and “meaningful community involvement” I cannot recall a time in the history of New Zealand local body politics where so much consultation has been put into a draft.

     Then the next few sentences:

     You can build a multi-storey apartment building with no effective height limit if you are in the Terrace Housing & Apartment zone and with a site of 30m Frontage.

     Um no you can’t. There are different height limits in different places.

     You can build a 3 storey apartment building up to10m tall if you are in the Mixed Housing Apartment zone and with a 1200 sq m site and 20m frontage.

     Possibly but it happens now.

     Council can grant a resource consent to 1 and 2 above without public notification or affected parties consent

     Blame the Government. They have changed things so that notification happens much less now.

     There have been insufficient studies on the impact of intensification on roading, sewage, water supply, hospitals, reserves

     Another porkie. There are multitudes of other studies into these issues but they have never been in the District Plan itself.

     I could go on but …
     • ratesarerevolting 3.2.1

       31 May 2013 at 10:51 am

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       I’ve actually got to do some work today so let me skewer your first lie.

       The site is not a front for right wing politicians , it is backed by a very broad base right across the political spectrum.

       http://auckland2040.org.nz/?Contacts_%26amp%3B_Links

       http://thestandard.org.nz/submit-on-the-unitary-plan-now/#comment-640716

       At least Len brown makes an effort to appear non-biased and hear opposing views as distinct from partisan hacks like yourself.

       [lprent: Deal with the arguments in a comment you are referring to. Don’t go directly to defamatory personal abuse. And that was also highly insulting because you asserted that I believed something that I did not. Using “everybody knows” by definition includes me. You have been previously warned several times about making personal attacks. Banned one week. ]
       • mickysavage 3.2.1.1

         31 May 2013 at 11:11 am

         Oh rr easy on. Just as well no one knows who you are.

         The site is a right wing front. Russell Brown blogged:

         “Enter Auckland 2040, which seems to be the source of Anderson’s email. It’s a new lobby group backed by Takapuna neighbours Richard Burton and software millionaire Guy Haddleton (who, ironically, built a very large three-storey house). Until last week, the group’s home page prominently endorsed a centre-right ticket – Cameron Brewer, Dick Quax, George Wood and others – but that part was removed after it became a topic of discussion. ”

         Link is at http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/a-plea-for-sanity-on-the-unitary-plan/

         Have a read it is very enlightening.

         And Ben Ross has a good go at http://voakl.net/2013/05/29/hypocrisy-exposed/

         So have a read and address the issues. And go easy on the slander.
         • ratesarerevolting 3.2.1.1.1

           31 May 2013 at 11:44 am

           Your really are a piece of work Presland.

           You say go easy on the slander after you have said the site is a right wing front when it is demonstrably not as it has the backing of members from across the political spectrum as are those who have serious concerns about the unitary plan.

           [deleted]

           [lprent: Doubled to two weeks for repeating it. Next up is 4 weeks – want to try for it? ]
           • mickysavage 3.2.1.1.1.1

             31 May 2013 at 12:12 pm

             Still waiting for the issues to be addressed oh anonymous one.
           • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.2.1.1.1.2

             31 May 2013 at 12:41 pm

             RatesAreRevolting, why are you shooting the messenger? Are your arguments too feeble or something?

             Come to think of it, personal attacks are what right-wingers do in defeat. Are you sure you aren’t some sort of wingnut?
       • ratesarerevolting 3.2.1.2

         31 May 2013 at 2:14 pm

         What are you on about lprent ?

         Presland outed himself on this very blog.

         You then proceed to berate me for making personal attacks after you have done some particularly nasty work lower down in this thread.

         [lprent: It was for making a *defamatory* assertion of fact about an individual. That puts this site at risk and I take the appropriate way to make sure you don’t repeat the behaviour. Also it asserted the everyone believed that fact, when that was not the case – I didn’t for instance. That starts flamewars that put the comments section (and my moderating time) at risk…

         I seldom if ever stray into defamatory area when moderating because I know the law of defamation as it applies to this site. I express my opinion rather than asserting my opinion as being a fact (your mistake). I also usually just make a general observation rather than one directly directed at an individual. Like the one I made on a comment by PhilBest.

         That you or anyone else subscribe to the proposition that he held all that he have of value whenever he urinated may be your impression of what I said. I couldn’t possibly comment and it wasn’t what I said about him… However I did express my opinion about the value of his comment.

         You really need to read the law of defamation (slander hasn’t existed here in a legal sense for decades!). At present you are too ignorant to be safe for a site to let you comment. ]
4. PhilBest 4

   31 May 2013 at 12:57 pm

   Long time since I visited here, guys – remember me?

   [lprent: No. But we can’t be expected to remember every jerk-off stoking their rigid ego and splattering their bodily fluids all over the site. ]

   Just want to say now: it is a hoot how slope-browed lefties are such suckers for central “planning”, they cannot see how “big property” vested interests laughs all the way to the bank and “the proles” get ripped off blind – remind me again whose interests “the Left” allegedly stands for?

   Look at the UK: house prices; living conditions; spatial segregation by income level; compare the plight of the proles there, with Houston or any of the USA’s 150 odd affordable-housing cities (go by the Demographia Reports)……

   I won’t hold my breath for any of the Standardistas to actually learn anything from a bit of this research of real life outcomes……..

   [lprent: Yep. Just another fuckwit troll making stupid assertions rather than points because they are far far too stupid to actually link to something relevant to discuss. ]
   • PhilBest 4.1

     31 May 2013 at 4:56 pm

     I am making “stupid assertions”?

     OK, there was no point paying this site a revisit, it is worse than it ever was, if what I just said about housing in the UK, under conditions of their Town and Country Planning system; versus the conditions of housing in non-growth-constrained cities in the US, is just “stupid assertions” to you.

     Anyone with half a brain can do a modest bit of research into what I am asserting, and can work out WHO is “stupid” here.

     I recommended the annual Demographia Reports on Housing Affordability, did I not?.

     And here is a handy page of educational links if you really do want them:

     http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/academics.html

     I especially recommend, on the subject of housing in the strictly-planned UK, all papers and books authored and co-authored by Paul Cheshire and by Alan W. Evans.

     Peter Hall et al’s 1973 two-volume report, “The Containment of Urban England”, also should have been enough for anyone to acknowledge the facts. But like I say: the land rentier class in the UK is the world’s fattest, and the “political representatives” of “labour” are all either too stupid or corrupt to bother to do anything about it.

     The people who designed the 1947 Town and Country Planning system, included in it, compulsory acquisition of fringe land, to prevent “planning gain” and prevent runaway inflation in the price of housing and urban land. The omission of the compulsory acquisition provisions was a master stroke on the part of the Tory land owning/ “big property” class.

     Guess who useful idiot Len Brown is – and whose you are? Ironically, it is the grassroots political culture of economic libertarianism in heartland and southern USA that keeps everything affordable for the working classes and minimises the great land rent racket.

     Take a look at the links to RE advertisements for real life examples of housing in a typical non-centrally-planned US city and see what your “working classes” and “the poor” and “the younger generations” are being denied here, and in Aussie, and in the UK:

     http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/05/reia-recycles-negative-gearing-myths/#comment-243254

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