web analytics

Nat branch chair calls for “corporal punishment”

Written By: - Date published: 6:27 am, March 21st, 2017 - 38 comments
Categories: bill english, child abuse, child discipline, schools - Tags: ,

A voice from National’s heartland – Bring back corporal punishment in schools – National rep

A return to corporal punishment is the solution for youth crime in the Far North, says a local National Party representative.

The town of Kaikohe is demanding answers after mobs of youngsters took liquor from a bottle store and vandalised a petrol station during the weekend.

The chair of the National Party’s Kaikohe branch, Alan Price, said systems were not in place to deal with growing drug use and young people running riot in his town and others.

“Whilst we need more police, there’s a bigger underlying problem here,” he said.

Mr Price told Morning Report the solution was to put corporal punishment back into schools.

Though the do-gooders would not like it, something needed to be done, he said.

Yeah a systemic failure rooted in neoliberal neglect at many levels can be fixed by whacking kids in school. Or not, good work by RNZ to follow up with – Why corporal punishment doesn’t work

Since corporal punishment was banned in New Zealand in 1987, there have been periodic grumbles that it’s causing moral turpitude in the young.

The latest is from the National Party’s Kaikohe chair Alan Price, who made the claim following incidents of vandalism and theft by groups of young people in the town.

To be honest, there’s little chance of Mr Price’s suggestion going anywhere, with wide and multi-partisan agreement condemning violence against children, but it’s worth setting out, once again, why this idea is so wildly wrong.

Firstly, there’s no evidence that corporal punishment in schools leads to improvements in student behaviour. In fact there’s long-standing research from around the world showing the opposite: that generally behaviour gets worse.

Secondly, the notion that children are human beings with rights is one that’s fairly important and, as signatories to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, is a principle New Zealand has signed up to (under a National government in 1993 even).

But perhaps the biggest barrier to Mr Price’s suggestion is the fact that, even if the law was changed and school supplies catalogues started stocking canes and straps again, there would be very few, if any, teachers who’d be willing to actually do the hitting.

Bill English should have spoken out to dissociate his party from Price’s archaic views. Why hasn’t he?

38 comments on “Nat branch chair calls for “corporal punishment” ”

  1. Why hasn’t he spoken out?–Too hard. The too hard basket is overflowing already.

  2. Kaikohe is ‘National heartland’? Who is the MP there?

    Suggesting that inflicting violence on children to teach them not to be violent is nuts, but it was made clear on Newshub that Price was speaking for himself:

    The chair of the Kaikohe National Party, who says he speaks for himself and not the party…

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/03/kaikohe-demolition-kids-caught-on-camera-attacking-petrol-station.html

    Compare that to Labour police spokesperson Stuart Nash:

    “Scalping is associated with American Indians but it was actually started by Europeans.

    “Perhaps someone in jail who isn’t too fond of monsters who destroy little boys[sic] lives by stealing their innocence in the worst way possible could reintroduce Mr Smith to the practise[sic].”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820250

    Nash did admit he “went too far”.

    Suggesting violence in reaction to issues is still a common problem.

    • Keith 2.1

      I certainly would not put it beyond the pettiness of National to put the party ahead of the people to one up Winston Peters. National will neglect Northland even more than it did before to punish voters for having the audacity to vote out National. That is and was patently obvious.

      • Pete George 2.1.1

        Obvious to you perhaps, but that’s as silly a claim as were Price’s suggestions of corporal punishment.

        • Keith 2.1.1.1

          Peters is pro rail in Northland. Kiwirail, have just closed tbe line north of Whangarei and there is no investment in what is left. Not much intervention by the government now is there to review that, less than none actually and we know they can and do roll out the pork barrel when it suits them. An Aluminium smelter propped up by the taxpayer in heartland National territory ring any bells?

    • McFlock 2.2

      lol

      The funny thing is, the nat seems to be much more serious about wanting schools to bash young people than the lab seems to have been about wanting a particular pedophile to be scalped.

    • The difference is that Stuart Nash said something funny, even if it wasn’t useful in other regards.

  3. Keith 3

    Isn’t this so unbelievable? Thanks to Mr Prices National Party and their cutbacks and then frozen police budget there was so few police officers to respond to the immediate violence that it succinctly demonstrated that Kaikohe is at times lawless. Yes, the get tough on crime party has yet again been found to be full of shit. Those tax cuts eh?

    But rather than talk about that Mammoth in the room Price diverts attention to legalising assault with a weapon, on children no less to fix their woes.

    Is he simply just your run of the mill National Party idiot or was this a sanctioned diversion from party HQ to draw attention away from the dysfunction of Northlands police?

    And does Alan Price get off on whips?

  4. Bill English should have spoken out to dissociate his party from Price’s archaic views. Why hasn’t he?

    Probably because the guy stated up front he was offering a personal opinion, not speaking on behalf of the National Party. I get why you’d like Bill English to grab that tar baby, but he’d be pretty stupid to fall for it.

  5. AB 5

    Latest news. ‘Mobs’ of National-voting farmers and business folk in Kaikohe were seen visiting their accountants and demanding ways of reducing their tax liabilities. Nobody said anything about it. It went unreported in the media.

    • Mordecai 5.1

      Well that’s because legally minimising tax is a legitimate activity.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1

        No, it’s theft.

        Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean that it’s right.

      • AB 5.1.2

        Starving society of the money it needs to run properly and booting in service station doors are just different types of vandalism.
        That the former is in a very narrow sense ‘legal’ in that it observes the letter of the law while often violating its intentions, doesn’t alter the ethical position at all.

  6. Draco T Bastard 6

    Bill English should have spoken out to dissociate his party from Price’s archaic views. Why hasn’t he?

    Because he probably thinks that corporal should be brought back.

  7. tory 7

    As Pete George highlighted, Nash (speaking on behalf of Labour) calls for scalping, where is the difference?
    Wait, let me guess, perhaps Nash was only speaking on behalf of himself and not the party? Once again the hypocrisy of the left rises to a new level.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1

      Something to do with violence against children, probably.

      Also, Nash wasn’t proposing a policy platform.

      • Mordecai 7.1.1

        These aren’t children. They are thugs.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.1.1

          Young Nats, then.

          I think the Alan Price problem can be solved by printing a copy of Dame Sian Elias’ speech “Blameless Babes” onto plywood then thoroughly rubbing his face in it.

        • McFlock 7.1.1.2

          These aren’t children. They are thugs.

          And a homicidal child rapist isn’t?

    • Cinny 7.2

      The scalping was in reference to a convicted pedo and murderer wanting to wear his toupee because of his own vanity.

      Grasping at straws bringing that into the discussion Tory.

    • joe90 7.3

      Once again the hypocrisy of the left rises to a new level.

      The whataboutism is strong with this one.

      /

    • A scalping joke regarding a convicted pedo/killer’s toupee has hilarity on its side of the ledger. Plus I guess I’m pretty immune to outrage culture, so a dark expression of humour is about the only way to reach me. As the immortal bard once said of crime, “toupee, or not toupee, that is the question.”

  8. Cinny 8

    If a child is beaten for punishment, all that teaches them is if someone does wrong to beat them up. And we wonder why family violence is such a problem. Break the cycle.

    Educate the kids, gosh it sounds like these kids are just bored and desperate for attention. Sadly their actions are horrendous. Icelands solution would hugely benefit these kids.

    We can point the finger and blame, blame, blame all we like, but we need to be helping these kids, that’s what is important.

    • Draco T Bastard 8.1

      We can point the finger and blame, blame, blame all we like, but we need to be helping these kids, that’s what is important.

      QFT

  9. Gosman 9

    Is this a guilt by association attack? Be careful doing that because the left will have a lot of avenue for that sort of attack line.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      Something like this really is cultural as it’s lessons passed from person to person and so association is important.

      And the right-wing have far more to answer for:
      Pretty much all authoritarian regimes throughout history have been right-wing.
      All collapses of civilisation have been brought about by the right-wing policy of catering to the rich.

      • Gosman 9.1.1

        Except you classify any regime that is authoritarian as right-wing so you create a circular argument that is intellectually dishonest.

        • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.1

          Nope. Although they’re few and far between I’m sure that there are authoritarian leftists – somewhere.

  10. Keith 10

    All you Nats need to ask why is your pathetic government not providing enough police in Northland? Actually providing any police at all?

    Tough on crime these Nats!

  11. Bill 11

    Remembering school days and all the bullshit authoritarianism…lot’s I could say, but just on the question of corporal punishment.

    We used to usually get an option of some form of time wasting psychological punishment or ‘the belt’. Near everyone opted for the belt. Not because it was ‘macho’ or any of that bullshit, but because the situation was acknowledged as over, dealt with – gone.

    Physically whacking people is crap. But so are forms of psychological whacking. Which one is worse?

    Open question.

    • Cinny 11.1

      See now that’s a tricky one. From experience bruises and broken bones heal, but the words stay there and smolder for a long time afterwards.

      Soooo, if kids hear positive and encouraging words, are taught how to deal with emotions, are given opportunities to discover their passion in life. That would create change.

      Some kids just need someone to believe in them to acknowledge them. When all they hear at home is how useless they are, they will believe they are useless and act accordingly.

      • Bill 11.1.1

        Firstly, there’s no evidence that corporal punishment in schools leads to improvements in student behaviour.

        See. I’d be thinking “modify” is probably more appropriate than “improve”….and then say that’s a good thing indicting that corporal punishment isn’t pernicious. (The claim, from that same part of the post, that behaviour ‘gets worse’ is whose measure of ‘good’ and ‘bad’?)

  12. Tricldrown 12

    Keith their was a policeman in Northland who was tough on Crime.
    He was a National MP.

  13. Ad 13

    I’d like to hear from people in Kaikohe.

    I’ve only ever been through there a few times.

    I was impressed that a grandmother spoke out against her rampaging teenager who she identified.

  14. Skeptic 14

    I would put Tory and Mr Price in the same category as Christine Rankin and Simon Barnett – hypocrites of the first order. They remind me all too much of the Bash-a-Crim mob – Sensible Sentencing Trust – frothing at the mouth in the mistaken belief that justice equates to vengeance. The reason being that these are the type of people who are first to condemn the supposed upsurge of violence in society, yet they are the same people who habitually promote the use of violence against children and youth. Now where do you think children and youth learn their violence? – well from stupid adults like Tory, Barnett, Rankin and Price of course! A classic case of “as you sow, so shall ye reap.” Well, when you’re dealing with people who have the combine IQ of a two-tooth ewe, I suppose you can’t really expect intelligent reasoning; however, a teeny-tiny bit wouldn’t go amiss – even from this class of dummies.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Government takes new direction with policy refocus
    Work on the TVNZ/RNZ public media entity to stop; Radio NZ and NZ on Air to receive additional funding Social insurance scheme will not proceed this term The Human Rights (Incitement on Ground of Religious Belief) Amendment Bill to be withdrawn and not progressed this term. The matter to be ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago
  • $5 million support package for flood affected Auckland businesses
    The Government is providing a $5 million package of emergency support to help businesses significantly affected by the recent flooding in Auckland. This includes: $3 million for flood recovery payments to help significantly affected businesses $1 million for mental wellbeing support through a boost to the First Steps programme $1 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago
  • Temporary Accommodation Service activated to help flood affected Aucklanders
    The Government’s Temporary Accommodation Service (TAS) has been activated to support people displaced by the severe flooding and landslips in the Auckland region, Housing Minister Megan Woods says.  “TAS is now accepting registrations for people who cannot return to their homes and need assistance finding temporary accommodation.  The team will work ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago
  • Prime Ministers’ meeting reaffirms close trans-Tasman relationship
    Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese today held their first bilateral meeting in Canberra. It was Chris Hipkins’ first overseas visit since he took office, reflecting the close relationship between New Zealand and Australia. “New Zealand has no closer partner than Australia. I was pleased to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Immediate humanitarian support to Türkiye and Syria following earthquakes
    New Zealand will immediately provide humanitarian support to those affected by the earthquakes in Türkiye and Syria, Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. “Aotearoa New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of life and devastation caused by these earthquakes. Our thoughts are with the families and loved ones affected,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Pākinga Pā site to be gifted back to local hapū
    An historic Northland pā site with links to Ngāpuhi chief Hongi Hika is to be handed back to iwi, after collaboration by government, private landowners and local hapū. “It is fitting that the ceremony for the return of the Pākinga Pā site is during Waitangi weekend,” said Regional Development Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New initiatives to unlock Māori science and research resources
    The Government is investing in a suite of initiatives to unlock Māori and Pacific resources, talent and knowledge across the science and research sector, Research, Science and Innovation Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. Two new funds – He tipu ka hua and He aka ka toro – set to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Advancing our relationship in India
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta departs for India tomorrow as she continues to reconnect Aotearoa New Zealand to the world.  The visit will begin in New Delhi where the Foreign Minister will meet with the Vice President Hon Jagdeep Dhankar and her Indian Government counterparts, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government Northland housing investment to spark transformational change
    Over $10 million infrastructure funding to unlock housing in Whangārei The purchase of a 3.279 hectare site in Kerikeri to enable 56 new homes Northland becomes eligible for $100 million scheme for affordable rentals Multiple Northland communities will benefit from multiple Government housing investments, delivering thousands of new homes for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government investment safeguards Waitangi Treaty Grounds
    The Government is supporting one of Aotearoa New Zealand’s most significant historic sites, the Waitangi Treaty Grounds, as it continues to recover from the impacts of COVID-19. “The Waitangi Treaty Grounds are a taonga that we should protect and look after. This additional support will mean people can continue to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Battle of Ohaeawai remembered
    A memorial event at a key battle site in the New Zealand land wars is an important event to mark the progress in relations between Māori and the Crown as we head towards Waitangi Day, Minister for Te Arawhiti Kelvin Davis said. The Battle of Ohaeawai in June 1845 saw ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • More Police deployed to the frontline
    More Police officers are being deployed to the frontline with the graduation of 54 new constables from the Royal New Zealand Police College today. The graduation ceremony for Recruit Wing 362 at Te Rauparaha Arena in Porirua was the first official event for Stuart Nash since his reappointment as Police ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Further support for upper North Island regions hit by significant weather
    The Government is unlocking an additional $700,000 in support for regions that have been badly hit by the recent flooding and storm damage in the upper North Island. “We’re supporting the response and recovery of Auckland, Waikato, Coromandel, Northland, and Bay of Plenty regions, through activating Enhanced Taskforce Green to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • The Princess Royal to visit New Zealand
    Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has welcomed the announcement that Her Royal Highness The Princess Royal, Princess Anne, will visit New Zealand this month. “Princess Anne is travelling to Aotearoa at the request of the NZ Army’s Royal New Zealand Corps of Signals, of which she is Colonel in Chief, to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government and horticulture sector target $12b in exports by 2035
    A new Government and industry strategy launched today has its sights on growing the value of New Zealand’s horticultural production to $12 billion by 2035, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor said. “Our food and fibre exports are vital to New Zealand’s economic security. We’re focussed on long-term strategies that build on ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Cost of living support extended for families and businesses
    25 cents per litre petrol excise duty cut extended to 30 June 2023 – reducing an average 60 litre tank of petrol by $17.25 Road User Charge discount will be re-introduced and continue through until 30 June Half price public transport fares extended to the end of June 2023 saving ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More Kiwis in work as rising wages match inflation
    The strong economy has attracted more people into the workforce, with a record number of New Zealanders in paid work and wages rising to help with cost of living pressures. “The Government’s economic plan is delivering on more better-paid jobs, growing wages and creating more opportunities for more New Zealanders,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government boosts fund for Auckland flooding
    The Government is providing a further $1 million to the Mayoral Relief Fund to help communities in Auckland following flooding, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty announced today. “Cabinet today agreed that, given the severity of the event, a further $1 million contribution be made. Cabinet wishes to be proactive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Cabinet focused on bread and butter issues
    The new Cabinet will be focused on core bread and butter issues like the cost of living, education, health, housing and keeping communities and businesses safe, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has announced. “We need a greater focus on what’s in front of New Zealanders right now. The new Cabinet line ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister to meet with PM Albanese
    Prime Minister Chris Hipkins will travel to Canberra next week for an in person meeting with Australian Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese. “The trans-Tasman relationship is New Zealand’s closest and most important, and it was crucial to me that my first overseas trip as Prime Minister was to Australia,” Chris Hipkins ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government makes first payment to Auckland Flooding fund
    The Government is providing establishment funding of $100,000 to the Mayoral Relief Fund to help communities in Auckland following flooding, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty announced. “We moved quickly to make available this funding to support Aucklanders while the full extent of the damage is being assessed,” Kieran McAnulty ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Government steps up to assist Auckland during flooding
    As the Mayor of Auckland has announced a state of emergency, the Government, through NEMA, is able to step up support for those affected by flooding in Auckland. “I’d urge people to follow the advice of authorities and check Auckland Emergency Management for the latest information. As always, the Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Poroporoaki: Titewhai Te Huia Hinewhare Harawira
    Ka papā te whatitiri, Hikohiko ana te uira, wāhi rua mai ana rā runga mai o Huruiki maunga Kua hinga te māreikura o te Nota, a Titewhai Harawira Nā reira, e te kahurangi, takoto, e moe Ka mōwai koa a Whakapara, kua uhia te Tai Tokerau e te kapua pōuri ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Enhanced Task Force Green Approved following Cyclone Hale
    Carmel Sepuloni, Minister for Social Development and Employment, has activated Enhanced Taskforce Green (ETFG) in response to flooding and damaged caused by Cyclone Hale in the Tairāwhiti region. Up to $500,000 will be made available to employ job seekers to support the clean-up. We are still investigating whether other parts ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago