No consensus – more talks

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  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1
    17 October 2017 at 5:01 pm

    Yay! Don’t blame me I voted Green 😈

    • cleangreen 1.1
      17 October 2017 at 6:15 pm

      OAB dont be so sure, it may be that NZF is waiting on greens to finailse their Laboiur agreement too I hear.

      That was the situation that Jacinda head wanted origionally according to Friday’s RNZ Jane Patterson report here.

      I didn’t vote for Greens so I cant be blamed either.

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/341432/black-friday-coalition-not-likely

      “As the party with less negotiating power, the Greens are somewhat at the mercy of Labour, despite holding only one seat fewer than New Zealand First, at eight and nine seats respectively.
      They are operating on blind faith to some degree, prompting a warning from the former MP Sue Bradford to not “go soft” during the talks.
      They will have to call a Special General Meeting of 170 national delegates to ratify the deal, and that is likely to be a ‘take it or leave it’ situation for those delegates; the reference group is very aware of the limited opportunity to negotiate past that point, and will draft the proposal accordingly.
      That meeting may have to be held before a final sign-off between Labour and New Zealand First so Labour can give an assurance that Greens support is not an obstacle to a three-way deal.”

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1
        17 October 2017 at 7:08 pm

        don’t be so sure…

        That’s the last thing I wanted to convey: surety.

        My opinion is worthless; my perspective might still have some value.

        • cleangreen 1.1.1.1
          17 October 2017 at 7:47 pm

          Sorry – One Anonymous bloke

          I am not being hard here I hope.

          It is just hard to figure out why so many people have somehow got it in their head to have a quick desision but MMP is a different beast where we need to have several others considered.

          Firstly as here we do want three in a coalition, with good solid policy agreements that stand together, – so the coalition is solid durable lasting arrangements.

          Winston dearly wants this too.

          So we need to give NZF Greens and labiour time to finish a durable agreement that is all.

  2. Ffloyd 2
    17 October 2017 at 5:01 pm

    Good grief. This is getting tedious.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1
      17 October 2017 at 5:03 pm

      It won’t be “news” until someone talks to the GG.

      We cannot blame the politicians for media expectations distortions.

      • Ed 2.1.1
        17 October 2017 at 6:33 pm

        It is the media who are creating the circus.
        Howard Beale’s speech in Network is as relevant as ever,

        ‘We’re in a lot of trouble!

        “Because you people and sixty-two million other Americans are listening to me right now: Because less than three percent of you people read books! Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers! Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn’t come out of this tube!

        “This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes or Prime Ministers; this tube is the most awesome god-damned force in the whole godless world! Woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people, andwhen the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome god-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world: Who knows what shit will be peddled for ‘truth’ on this network!

        “So you listen to me!

        Listen to me: television is not the truth- television’s a god-damned amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival a traveling troupe of acrobats, story tellers, dancers, singers, side-show freaks, lion-tamers, and football players. We’re in the boredom killing business!

        We deal in Illusions man, none of it is true! But you people sit there day after day and night after night; all ages, colors, creeds: We’re all you know! You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here! You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality- and that your own lives are unreal! You DO whatever the tube tells you, you dress like the tube you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even think like the tube!

        “This is mass madness you maniacs! In God’s name you people are the real thing-We are the illusion! So turn off you television sets, turn it off now, turn them off right now: turn them off and leave them off-turn them off right in the middle of the sentence I’m speaking now ­ Turn them OFF!”

        We’re in a lot of trouble’

  3. Stuart Munro 3
    17 October 2017 at 5:04 pm

    What’s the bet NZF have a hot poker game going in the back room – they’ll get on to the coalition thing in a couple of days.

  5. Ed 5
    17 October 2017 at 7:27 pm

    The media really come across as very puerile in the whole process.

    • cleangreen 5.1
      17 October 2017 at 7:49 pm

      Yes they do Ed.

      • Ed 5.1.1
        17 October 2017 at 8:29 pm

        Is Lloyd Burr the most irritating and juvenile of them all?
        Winston must feel he has an immature 14 year old in front of him.
        We need a better media for our democracy.

  6. North 6
    17 October 2017 at 9:02 pm

    Upstarts in the media have spent 9 years having their outrageous pretensions to centrality to the pulse of domestic politics stroked by cynical National Party operatives who’ve used them blind, Dragged by MMP into sour contemplation of ‘reduced station’ they gotta know……”NOW !”

    What else was that shite scribbled out by the ludicrous Heather Plastic-Allan in the Herald last Sunday ? Potty Gower entering a dark phase ?……Hubrist Hosking off his finest-Waiheke-winest ? Who cares about their snotty egos !

    • Kevin 6.1
      17 October 2017 at 9:36 pm

      So true North.

      The media have been given a golden opportunity to show us what they are made of.

      To provide thoughtful and informative writing that keeps the peasants engaged, informed and interested.

      And what do we get?

      Shit, absolute fucking shit, because knew we know (as if there was any doubt), that if they are not spoon fed their lines they are fucking useless. They wouldnt have an original thought amongst them.

      All they can do is continue to play their childish games.

      • Ed 6.1.1
        17 October 2017 at 9:46 pm

        This sort of garbage.

        ‘Notorious Aussie bikie gang boss AJ Graham deported back to NZ’
        ‘From paradise to prison’ for convicted murderer Stephen Findlay’
        ‘Comedian Kathy Griffin gives her hot take on New Zealand Politics’
        ‘Police hunting for stolen cop car in Murupara’

        The media is intent on the dumbing down of New Zealand.
        For their masters and owners.