NZ closes the gap with Aussie

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1. Clarke 1

   15 January 2010 at 9:52 am

   Marty, I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick – this isn’t high unemployment, this is “labour market flexibility”, in which case it’s a desired outcome of National government policy rather than an invidious social ill that needs to be treated.
2. Peter Bilson 2

   15 January 2010 at 10:25 am

   Looks like it reached parity under Labour in Q2 2008.
   Maybe we need mines to increase our employment level & o’seas funds.
   • lprent 2.1

     15 January 2010 at 10:45 am

     Mines don’t employ many people, most of whom have quite specialized skills (that we don’t have here). They do however employ a lot of capital.

     So if you want an industry that does little for the NZ economy, pick one that requires that you import a lot of expats and capital, dig a hole in the ground, and where the capital, profits, and workers leave at the end of the project. Of course the hole remains and usually costs a bundle to fix later.

     The only nett gain to NZ is in lawyers fees. It is a fools game being pushed by a fool.

     Tourism is almost the exact opposite. It gives large benefits to both employment and capital retention, including being sustainable – but Brownlee is unable to understand this. I can’t see any economic benefits from increased mining in NZ for NZ over the medium to long term. I can see considerable costs to NZ especially if it reduces our tourism.

     Looks like you are as thick as Brownlee is…
   • snoozer 2.2

     15 January 2010 at 11:03 am

     No Peter, follow the sources that Marty has provided, or look with your eyes:

     In Q2 2008, NZ unemployment was 3.9%, Aust unemployment was 4.2%.

     And the point isn’t to criticise the fact that unemployment rose, it’s the fact that unemployment has been allowed to continue to rise well above what happened in Australia.
     • Peter Bilson 2.2.1

       15 January 2010 at 11:13 am

       Aussie is digging now for China, oh if we can only follow…………
   • Tigger 2.3

     15 January 2010 at 11:15 am

     Peter – yes, by all means let’s blame Labour for this…since they haven’t been in power for the past fourteen months. But no, it’s Helen’s fault clearly.
   • Macro 2.4

     15 January 2010 at 8:36 pm

     Just a few little problems with mining Peter – one of which is that NZ actually doesn’t make Billions from it. It’s the companies who do the mining who make the money – if any is to be made – the govt get 10% in royalties. So no we wont increase our overseas funds with mining.
     Makes you wonder why we bother really.
     Oh yeah! Browlee’s mates tell him its a great idea!
3. Zaphod Beeblebrox 3

   15 January 2010 at 1:37 pm

   Wow this happened despite the success of the jobs’ summit. Obviously their cycleway is better than ours.
4. gitmo 4

   15 January 2010 at 1:50 pm

   What happened 2000-01 in Australia to cause the spike ?

   Moderation ?
5. burt 5

   15 January 2010 at 5:08 pm

   Well if the failed policies of the 90’s was top blame for all bad things in 1999-2008 then the failed policies of 1999-2008 are shown in their fully ugliness on this graph.

   The second point that is worth noting is; How can it be possible that Dr Cullen was right when he said Labour left the economy in good shape compared to the rest of the world when we have had a much harder hit than Aussie?
   • lprent 5.1

     15 January 2010 at 5:12 pm

     burt – you’re just outright weird sometimes.

     Do you think that falling unemployment is a bad thing? Because from Q1 2000 to Q1 2008 that is what is displaying. You’d prefer to pay unemployment benefits rather than getting people into work and paying taxes instead?
   • burt 5.2

     15 January 2010 at 5:16 pm

     I never though of falling unemployment as a failed policy of the 90’s – but I guess a fully employed workforce ain’t gonna vote for more welfare so it must have been bad by Labour standards.

     Actually lprent – you highlight a very valid point; the failed policies of the 90’s were just the bad things eh because Labour policy instantly trumped National policy on the good stuff and only the bad stuff was National’s fault. Just like today eh, the rising unemployment has nothing to do with Labour causing a recession in NZ before the rest of the world… it’s the National govt elected sometime after the turning point caused by Labour that made it real bad.
     • Macro 5.2.1

       15 January 2010 at 8:45 pm

       “I never though of falling unemployment as a failed policy of the 90’s”
       burt there wasn’t any falling unemployment in the 90’s! Unemployment remained pretty static at around 6 to 8 percent for the decade, and we consistently over that period lost parity with Australia on pay. Don’t rewrite history to suit you ideology.
       And don’t give us the rubbish that it was Nats 90’s policy that flowed into the new century that lead to the drop in unemployment rates. That is just hogwash.
     • burt 5.2.2

       15 January 2010 at 8:53 pm

       Macro

       http://www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz/paid-work/unemployment.html

       No socialist prerequisite for convincing people that socialism is good re-write of history required.
       • Macro 5.2.2.1

         15 January 2010 at 8:57 pm

         just as i said – between 8 and 6 percent.
6. Jared 6

   15 January 2010 at 7:47 pm

   Marty, do you really think we can afford a stimulus package even a tenth of the size of Australia’s? And don’t spout a “we can’t afford not to”. Australia and NZ’s labour markets are far different, and its not simply an exponential increase or decrease factor in scale. We were hit hard by the recession, but to say it is the fault of National is simply unfair. We cannot afford a stimulus package the size of Australias or the US for that matter.
7. Macro 7

   15 January 2010 at 8:54 pm

   Jared
   There is a difference between nothing and something.
   The NActMP govt have decided to do nothing. Oops sorry they decided to make their “stimulus package” a tax break for the rich – which as we all know went straight into the bank to pay of Mortgages or in Savings. Which of course is highly stimulatory.
   Now had Bill not been so generous to those who don’t need it, he might have been able to throw a few dollars in the direction of projects that were really stimulatory. – but his self interested mates made him chose otherwise.
   • burt 7.1

     15 January 2010 at 9:09 pm

     Oops sorry they decided to make their “stimulus package’ a tax break for the rich

     So the fact we still have one of the lowest “wealth tax” thresholds of any OECD country is still beyond your grasp. Tell us again how we should increase wages in NZ and tell us again how with low wealth thresholds that is so beneficial to the workers rather than just the govt revenue for redistribution and buying elections with bribes.
     • Pascal's bookie 7.1.1

       15 January 2010 at 9:46 pm

       yawn.

       If we had a tax free zone up to 15K, and a 25% rate for every dollar over that, we would have an even lower “wealth tax threshold”.

       It’s just sophistry burt. “Wealth tax threshold”. pffft.
8. tsmithfield 8

   15 January 2010 at 11:58 pm

   I wouldn’t get to confident in Australia just yet. They have been experiencing a boom due to China’s stockpiling of commodities. Well, all good things have to come to an end. China has just started reigning in its booming economy, so don’t expect that the gravy train will go on forever.

   http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100115-702054.html?mod=rss_Currencies

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