One job only for Jerry

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1. randal 1

   8 March 2011 at 1:52 pm

   the guts of the matter is Key is a manque and has no idea about democracy or separation of powers or anything except how to fleece investors.
   the sooner he leaves the better.
   • Jim Nald 1.1

     8 March 2011 at 4:31 pm

     the better part of me would like to think that Key, his mates, and right-wing reporters, are not stupid and they know about the separation of powers but they push boundaries, including constitutional ones, to see how much they can get away with.
     if caught or faced with public backlash, they plead ignorance, blame someone else, etc.
2. Voldemort 2

   8 March 2011 at 2:01 pm

   From the Herald: Lt Gen Mateparae is currently the director of the Government Communications Security Bureau. Mr Key said Lt Gen Mateparae he would continue in that role until June. “We sought advice on that. Jerry will be stepping down in June … the advice from the State Services Commission is that would be appropriate.

   Captcha: presume
3. Peter 3

   8 March 2011 at 2:04 pm

   Hang on. My understanding of the situation is that he takes up the governor general role in August, and leaves the GCSB in July. So, no conflict of interest.
4. Anthony C 4

   8 March 2011 at 2:07 pm

   I’ve always thought the Governor General was usually a lawyer because of the constitutional part.
   • Bored 4.1

     8 March 2011 at 2:13 pm

     A very good reason to overhaul our system of legislation: if we need to be a lawyer to understand the law what hope does the general public have of understanding and complying?
5. Lewis Holden 5

   8 March 2011 at 2:10 pm

   @Anthony – yes. Jerry is the first non-lawyer since Dame Cath Tizard (1990 – 1996).

   It’s an interesting choice. Jerry topped the Republican Movement’s poll back in October.
6. Anne 6

   8 March 2011 at 2:15 pm

   This is preposterous! Even if Peter is right (and I hope he is) what the hell are they up to?
   My recollection is: Mataparea only took over as head of the GCSB about a month ago.
   Key and co. must have known he was in line for the GG at the time.
7. infused 7

   8 March 2011 at 2:17 pm

   Basic lack of reading Eddie?
8. Alwyn 8

   8 March 2011 at 2:19 pm

   I sometimes think we did rather better when we had British Peers doing the job.
   Not from the duties they carried out but from what we got from them
   The Ranfurly Shield
   The Plunket Shield
   The Bledisloe Cup
   The Treaty House and the 250 or so Hectares around it.
   In addition they went home after their time was up and stopped using things like the VIP cars for ever.
   What have any of the New Zealand based ones ever done for us that can compare?
   • Colonial Viper 8.1

     8 March 2011 at 2:26 pm

     As I’ve said previously, civilisation started to go down hill when they let people other than white, Christian, property owning men of good standing have the vote.
     • Alwyn 8.1.1

       8 March 2011 at 2:50 pm

       No. Civilisation started to collapse when anyone was allowed to vote.
       The “Divine Right OF Kings” was the last proper form of Government.
       Everything since has been pandering to hoi polloi.
       • billy fish 8.1.1.1

         8 March 2011 at 3:29 pm

         I personally think it all started going wrong with the bloody Normans
         • mcflock 8.1.1.1.1

           8 March 2011 at 5:11 pm

           Or the Romans – bloody continentals, either way.
     • higherstandard 8.1.2

       8 March 2011 at 3:07 pm

       ….. and yet if we were to have these people killed we would be the one’s arrested … and they call that democracy (CM Burns)
9. Mac1 9

   8 March 2011 at 2:35 pm

   Spoken as a true ASP, Viper. I bet there are no ‘burnies’ to bags on the bottom when you stir the pot! 😉
   • Colonial Viper 9.1

     8 March 2011 at 2:37 pm

     😀
10. SHG 10

    8 March 2011 at 2:49 pm

    I guess the fact that he takes over as G-G the month AFTER he retires from the GCSB is just a trivial little detail that Eddie didn’t need to include in the article.
    • Bright Red 10.1

      8 March 2011 at 2:53 pm

      I see it included in the article. Are you blind?
      • SHG 10.1.1

        8 March 2011 at 3:00 pm

        No, just better informed than Eddie was when he wrote the article.
        • mickysavage 10.1.1.1

          8 March 2011 at 3:10 pm

          Eddie’s only mistake was to take what was said in Stuff at face value.
          • Gosman 10.1.1.1.1

            8 March 2011 at 3:18 pm

            Yes, jumping the gun before the facts of the matter were fully known. An affliction that affects a lot of people on left wing blogs it seems 😉
            • Bright Red 10.1.1.1.1.1

              8 March 2011 at 3:30 pm

              How is it jumping the gun? The Stuff article still hasn’t been changed.
              • Gosman …

                8 March 2011 at 3:33 pm

                Ummmmm, I think I added ‘before the facts of the matter were fully know’.

                Are you disputing that Eddie didn’t have a good picture of the entire story before he wrote this?
                • Bright Red …

                  8 March 2011 at 3:35 pm

                  I don’t think you can get on your high horse over the guy writing an article based on the facts as presented on a major news website.

                  should every blogger have to check multiple news sources for each story in case one of them has the facts wrong?

                  Sounds like you’re just being a dick, IMHO
                  • Gosman …

                    8 March 2011 at 4:13 pm

                    “should every blogger have to check multiple news sources for each story in case one of them has the facts wrong?”

                    No, but I would like bloggers to stop trying to score political points from the skimpiest of information. And yes, a single news site (regardless of how well regarded it has been in the past), is still pretty skimpy.
                    • todd …

                      8 March 2011 at 8:27 pm

                      It’s confirmed, Gosman is a dick!

                      Mateparae is first and foremost a soldier and as such is capable of undertaking orders… Perhaps that’s why he is National’s choice.
                    • Gosman …

                      9 March 2011 at 7:30 am

                      Hey Todd how come you are deleting all my posts on your blog when you whined like a little baby and threatened to sue when David Farrar banned you from Kiwiblog?
                • mickysavage …

                  8 March 2011 at 3:45 pm

                  Eddie’s view of the issue, as presented by stuff, was perfect.

                  If we cannot expect one of the largest media companies in the country to get things right then we may as well give up blogging.
            • lprent 10.1.1.1.1.2

              8 March 2011 at 4:12 pm

              It isn’t hard to find on the right wing blogs either – especially at No Minister…
              • Gosman …

                8 March 2011 at 4:15 pm

                I’m sure it isn’t hard to find on right wing blogs. However my point was directed at left wing blogs.

                I’m more than happy if you want to make a similar point on ‘No Minister’ when he similarly jumps the gun for political point scoring purposes.
                • lprent …

                  8 March 2011 at 4:25 pm

                  Information content there tends to be too low to justify wasting my time reading it. As much as I hate to say it, Whale actually has a higher information content in his posts than the authors at No Minister.

                  Neither of those site has virtually any information in the comments unless you want a sociological profile on the bottom end of deformed personalities. – which is why they never have any comments. The sewer has a better range of observable deformations, and they actually interact with each other. It also has some people who know what they’re talking about and are who are worth reading. But as turgid as the discussions sometimes get here, I tend to find it simpler to read comments here – more information as less barracking (and besides I can do something about the barracking here when it gets too irritating)

                  KeepingStock and MacDoctor tend to be the most interesting RW blog sites IMHO

                  😈 Just my opinion of course….

                  Updated: Barracking is a nice word to describe what happens in the comments section around here 🙂
                • Bright Red …

                  8 March 2011 at 4:44 pm

                  “I’m more than happy if you want to make a similar point on ‘No Minister’ when he similarly jumps the gun for political point scoring purposes.”

                  How would anyone know if No Minister ‘jumps the gun’? Nobody reads it. I can’t recall ever being there in the past two years or more or even seeing it mentioned apart from just now.

                  And Eddie didn’t jump the gun. He based an argument on the information presented by a major news site.

                  And I see Audrey Young says Mateparae should give up the GCSB job now anyway.
11. lprent 11

    8 March 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Added the relevant links.
12. the pink postman 12

    8 March 2011 at 3:14 pm

    It’s time we chose our own head of state . This achaic system that we have inherited fom the chinless wonders of the UK should have gone years ago.
    Its the corner stone of the British Class system and has no place here in Aotearoa.
    Of course with a royal wedding almost upon us there will , unfortunatly, a revival of Royal,fever .
    Already there is talk of what we should send this rich spoilt couple for a wedding present. If royalist Key wants to send a present well let him pay for it. I expect he will get a knighthood for his pandering anyway.
    I expect he will be at this wedding bobing up and down and dribbling with excitement . What an insult to egalitrian Aotearoa. How much longer have we to suffer this nonsense ?
13. Tigger 13

    8 March 2011 at 3:23 pm

    In a similar vein (appropriate separate of roles) Key commented on the OCR yesterday. Don’t PM’s usually keep mum on the OCR?
    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8961964/drop-to-ocr-would-be-useful-john-key/
14. south paw 14

    8 March 2011 at 3:58 pm

    
    Not right for Governor-General to keep spy agency role – By Audrey Young
    3:29 PM Tuesday Mar 8, 2011
    

    Audrey still reckons it isn’t right he should step down now.
15. hobbit 15

    8 March 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Does Eddie have any feet left to shoot after he did this last time?
    • Bright Red 15.1

      8 March 2011 at 5:24 pm

      did what?
16. ianmac 16

    8 March 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I understand that Jerry is a good bloke and must be pretty competent to rise to his position.

    In some countries the head of Government Communications Security Bureau, then becoming Governor General (President), would strike fear in the hearts of the people. What inside information does he have on writers for the dreaded Standard? Or members of that weird Green Party?
    Tremble folk and check for bugging! 😈
17. Jenny 17

    8 March 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Our governing general?

    Q: What is the difference between Fiji and New Zealand

    A: They both have generals as their head of state
    • Jenny 17.1

      8 March 2011 at 9:20 pm

      .
      Jerry Mataparae is the former head of the military and the notoriously secretive and paranoid GCSB spy agency.

      In 1975 Gough Whitlam was deposed by Australia’s Governor General for threatening to close down the US run Pine Gap spy base.

      As in Australia Mataparae as our governing general has the right to depose any left government that challenges the status quo.

      The question is – with his loyalties to the military and the GCSB what do you think our stern new governing general would do, if a New Zealand Labour administration decided to close down Waihopai?

      captcha – “disaster” ???
    • Graeme Edgeler 17.2

      9 March 2011 at 9:12 am

      The Head of State of Fiji is Ratu Epeli Nailatikau. He was in the military, but his service ended when Rabuka held his first coup in 1987.
      The Head of State of New Zealand is Queen Elizabeth II.

      But please play again.
      • Jenny 17.2.1

        9 March 2011 at 7:14 pm

        I don’t mind the Queen as the head of state for New Zealand. But why do we have a Governor General?

        This harks back to the day when the British had an empire and a military to back it up.
    • RobertM 17.3

      11 March 2011 at 5:27 pm

      Right. Remember Pinochett and Kerr in Australia. Labour thought he was tame and useless. I assume Clark appointed Jerry because she wanted a dumb, malleable army commander. Probably proved useless at the Communications bureau.
18. Vicky32 18

    8 March 2011 at 6:07 pm

    As a linguist, I have been both puzzled and amused to hear him referred to on Radio NZ as ‘leftenant general’ and later by Noelle McCarthy as ‘lootenant’.. When did the American proununciation of certain words become de rigeur in some parts of NZ? It’s a crap-shoot whether people on Radio NZ or TV 1 will say shed-yool or sked-yool, root or rowt (route), leftenant or lootenant… On TV3, the American pronunciation is always used, and given that their CEO is American, I am not surprised. One or the other, people, preferably the NZ pronunciation – thousands of Asian and Saudi students I’ve taught would love some consistency!
    (Sorry for the OT, but I need to vent about that..)
    • todd 18.1

      8 March 2011 at 8:35 pm

      Shonkey absolutely murdered the pronunciation of Jerry Mateparae on the news tonight. My word.
    • Graeme Edgeler 18.2

      9 March 2011 at 9:20 am

      I have been both puzzled and amused to hear him referred to on Radio NZ as ‘leftenant general’ and later by Noelle McCarthy as ‘lootenant’.. When did the American proununciation of certain words become de rigeur in some parts of NZ?

      It’s not just an American vs. British distinction. The Navy and the Army adopt different pronunciations as well (with the Navy pretty close to what you seem to term the American pronunciation).
      • Vicky32 18.2.1

        9 March 2011 at 6:06 pm

        Yes, but why, is what I want to know? To me, it’s simply the American pronunciation, and it didn’t exist in the Navy until fairly recently (I know, my brother-in-law was a Petty Officer Electrician until the 80s..)
19. higherstandard 19

    8 March 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Outstanding choice for G-G, congratulations Jerry you’ll do a great job.
    • RedLogix 19.1

      8 March 2011 at 7:18 pm

      Of course he is hs, but you also know perfectly well that this transition is sloppy.

      Jerry will likely handle the potential conflict just fine, Key will get away with it, and the fuss will die away.

      Until some Labour PM takes a similar short-cut… and then we’ll be treated to howls and wails from the rightie talking point chorus assuring us it’s the “End of Democracy”.
      • higherstandard 19.1.1

        8 March 2011 at 8:17 pm

        “Until some Labour PM takes a similar short-cut… and then we’ll be treated to howls and wails from the rightie talking point chorus assuring us it’s the “End of Democracy”.”

        And it will be equally facile and vapid
    • Jenny 19.2

      8 March 2011 at 9:52 pm

      Just imagine the screams of outrage from the right, if a Labour administration placed an extreme left winger as Governor General.
20. Anne 20

    8 March 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Agree hs. He comes across as a competent and genuine person. The problem is: he shouldn’t continue as the head of the GCSB. He should step down now!!
    • higherstandard 20.1

      8 March 2011 at 8:21 pm

      Why ?

      If I get another job, assuming that I’m not going to work for a competing interest, which I’m due to start in x months time what reason would there be for me to step down from my current job immediately.

      Jerry’s working on behalf of NZ now and on behalf of NZ as the Queen’s representative in his forthcoming position.
      • todd 20.1.1

        8 March 2011 at 8:41 pm

        The Governments Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), has recently been found to have regularly shared extensive amounts of information with the US National Security Agency (NSA). Having the GG also in charge of selling secrets to the US is a conflict of interest, IMHO.
        • higherstandard 20.1.1.1

          8 March 2011 at 9:10 pm

          I thought the US of A were our friends, why shouldn’t we share information with them ?
          • Rob 20.1.1.1.1

            9 March 2011 at 3:45 pm

            Exactly, so who would you like to see them share information with Todd?
      • Anne 20.1.2

        8 March 2011 at 8:41 pm

        Because it’s not ‘any other job’ hs. He heads a govt. spy agency. He’s directly answerable to the PM. In the months between now and taking up his position as GG, he could – inadvertently maybe – end up compromising that position. But of course we would never know because it’s a secret agency. That makes it all the more imperative that he step down now!
        • higherstandard 20.1.2.1

          8 March 2011 at 9:12 pm

          He might do something, that we would never know, that might compromise something else………. what fanciful pap.

          I for one am happy for him to do the job he’s currently doing and them to take up his new position.
21. Oscar 21

    8 March 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Is Jerry our first Maori GG?
    • higherstandard 21.1

      8 March 2011 at 8:17 pm

      Paul Reeves
22. MrSmith 22

    8 March 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Wonkey to the spinners, we have the foreshore and sea bed mess coming up what do you think? How about we make that Maori guy we just gave the top spook job to governor general, that should be a win with the Maori vote and a nice distraction for everyone else. Wonkey, that sounds perfect. And the show goes on and on I’m getting dizzy.
23. Jenny 23

    8 March 2011 at 9:59 pm

    .
    This very conservative appointment by a right wing administration, to my mind is as grotesque as if a Labour administration made Grant Morgan Governor General.
24. mouse 24

    8 March 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Welcome to your dystopian future New Zealand!

    In these day’s all countries need the former Head of their internal security intelligence service to be the effective head of state…

    Just ask Vlad Putin, He’s doing a fine job for his kleptocrat mates.
25. Jenny 25

    9 March 2011 at 5:55 am

    Arise Sir Prince.

    Youth and looks win out over democratic credentials

    Couldn’t the Nats find someone less familiar with democracy?

    captcha- “imposing” ????
26. Gosman 26

    9 March 2011 at 8:56 am

    Given the fact that the G-G is usually only appointed after consultation with the other party leaders does anyone know if any party raised an objection?

    If not why not?
    • Graeme Edgeler 26.1

      9 March 2011 at 9:32 am

      Usually, yes. Although I’m not sure about the level of consultation with other party leaderS, it may focus on the Leader of the Opposition.

      Certainly this convention has been played with in the past (e.g. Holyoake), but I very much imagine that consultation happened here. There were stories in the media about how Labour objected to McKinnon, for example.

      The extent to which consultation is information, or allows true dialogue has fluctuated. Some in National were more than a little miffed at Margaret Wilson’s approach to appointing Court of Appeal judges – National had not made certain appointments they’d wanted to following Labour objection during the 90s, but when National made similar objections under Wilson, she apparently still went ahead (Sian Elias as Chief Justice was one that made the media).

      Why didn’t Labour object? I suspect because they think he’ll be a good GG. Why did Helen Clark appoint him to head the Army and later the defence force?
      • Gosman 26.1.1

        9 March 2011 at 11:36 am

        “Why didn’t Labour object? I suspect because they think he’ll be a good GG. Why did Helen Clark appoint him to head the Army and later the defence force?”

        Exactly. All these amateur conspiracy theorists banging on about how this is all a National Party plot to undermine democracy are just nonsense.

        I think it is valid to question whether he should resign immediately from his current role but there is nothing sinister going on here.
27. Rich 27

    9 March 2011 at 12:45 pm

    I’m sure he’s an honourable character.

    But it’s interesting that while Libya and other states are getting rid of unelected military heads of state, we get one.

    Also, he is, I think, one of a small number of world heads of state in recent memory to move from running the secret police to the top job. The others were Yuri Andropov, Vladimir Putin and George HW Bush. (Beria wanted to, but Khrushchev was a bit quick and shot him first).
    • ZeeBop 27.1

      9 March 2011 at 2:32 pm

      The governor general is a rather dead end job. GCBS might have picked a dud to lead them and the governor general position came up allow them to unload the spare wood. Government communication bullshit service – hehe
28. randal 28

    9 March 2011 at 1:54 pm

    no doubt about it.
    the standard of reporting in new zealand has taken a nosedive over the last couple of years.
    it seems most reporters are barely literate and the facts dont really count anymore.
    probity and rectitude have gone out the window and the harridans at RNZ are becoming more shrill by the day.
    when a person lands one of those jobs they become just like the pollies.
    its their authority that counts and not the truth.
    the increasing use of interrogatvies in the discourse is an increasing demonstration of personal bullying and lack of respect for the consumer.
29. Jenny 29

    9 March 2011 at 7:20 pm

    All the markers are now in place for a constitutional coup.

    Those markers may never be called in.

    But the possibility is there.
    • neoleftie 29.1

      9 March 2011 at 8:30 pm

      nope if the ‘guns’ didnt come out in 84-87 they will never come out in this oh so tame land of ours
30. aotearoan 30

    9 March 2011 at 8:15 pm

    The specter of Phil Goff as PM in times of global recession, changing superpower relations, the rise of BRIC, expensive oil, scarcity, peak everything, the decline of Christchurch and the rise of local unrest make it necessary for a head of state who will uphold the interests of Euro and Maori elites while getting ready for the next big quake.

    See ‘Sleeping Dogs’, the movie, read Jared Diamond’s ‘Collapse’.

    Who will fell the last kauri ?
    • aotearoan 30.1

      12 March 2011 at 4:27 pm

      .. with Paul Henry as vice-regal press-secretary ?

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