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Open mike 01/01/2021

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, January 1st, 2021 - 43 comments
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43 comments on “Open mike 01/01/2021 ”

  1. Sacha 1

    Is this thing on?

    • alwyn 1.1

      As the former Green MP, and now a hermit on Quarantine Island, would say.

      "Hey Clint! Are we in favour of this thing being on or off?"

    • weka 1.2

      trying to write a post, not sure I am getting very far.

    • Andre 1.3

      The "ironising radiation", "holistic dentistry", and "innate intelligence of the universe" modules have apparently shut down. But the anti-alcohol module has apparently rebooted, likely soon to be followed by the pro-vegan and 9/11 modules.

      • Ed 1.3.1

        Your comments are noted.

        As a matter of interest.

        1. Do you think the regulations surrounding alcohol are fit for purpose?

        2. Do you think we should be concerned about animal welfare in industrial farming?

        • Andre 1.3.1.1
          1. Personally, I think regulations around sale and consumption of alcohol in New Zealand are reasonable and fit for purpose. However, we probably fall a bit short on ensuring compliance with those regulations. We have somewhat of a cultural problem with how we consume alcohol, but that's not really something that can be improved with regulations, except possibly around the margins with restrictions on advertising.

          2. As far as I can tell, animal welfare standards in New Zealand are quite high by international comparisons, although I'd certainly be happy to see them improve further. Where I think we let ourselves down badly is in how we allow farmers to discharge significant wastes off the farm into the atmosphere and waterways, as well as allowing extractive practices (such as irrigation) that result in significant effects to areas off the farm. Thereby trashing areas and environments that are part of the commons we should all be able to enjoy.

          On both those topics, I think your hectoring approach with a side of high-horsery is unlikely to change any minds or behaviours, and is more likely to actually be counterproductive through just getting people's backs up.

          • Ed 1.3.1.1.1

            Thank you for your reply.

            The 2010 Law Commission report, Alcohol in Our Lives: Curbing the Harm, made some key recommendations.

            Key policy recommendations included:

            _ raising the price of alcohol by an average of 10% through excise tax increases;

            _ returning the minimum purchase age for alcohol to 20

            _ moving over time to regulate alcohol advertising and sponsorship.

            The fundamental recommendations of Palmer and his team have been ignored.

            https://m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1004/S00315/alcohol-in-our-lives-curbing-the-harm.htm

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/114924043/major-report-into-reducing-alcohol-harm-ignored-for-almost-a-decade

            • Adrian 1.3.1.1.1.1

              How much more Excise do you want? I grow about 75,000 litres of wine a year and if all sold in NZ it garners around $225, 000 + 33,750 GST for a total of $262,550 for Grant to play with and we get paid $190,000 of which my wages are about $45,000 (min wage, my wife is the CFO ) and we have made a profit of around $11,000 about 3 times in the last 5 years, the others have been losses. Why ? Ask all sorts of growers in Motueka and the Bay of Plenty and grape growers in Canterbury this year. It's a hard road growing shit.

              I'm not complaining I'm proud to be able to produce something that pays for vaccines and such like, but just think how much the cost of living would be if taxes of this ilk were added to other selected items.

      • Sacha 1.3.2

        … the anti-alcohol module has apparently rebooted, likely soon to be followed by the pro-vegan …

        Sheesh, you're not wrong there.

  2. Anne 2

    Nursing sore heads……

    Might see a burst of life around noon. Me? I'm off to feed the family cats. frown

  3. Ed 3

    New Zealand has a serious problem with alcohol.

    The reporting in this article about this riot in Whangamata is part of the issue. At no stage does it address the issue of this class A drug's vice like grasp over the levers of control in this country. The liquor industry, politicians and a liberal culture is responsible for this.

    While I agree with the words Sandra Goudie about rich self-indulgent teenagers, it would be interesting to see what her voting record is on alcohol.

    Equally, I can predict the way many of the parents of these teenagers spent their evening….

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/self-indulgent-brats-6000-of-stock-stolen-blackies-cafe-roof-damaged-in-whangamata-riot/KMHGM26BXN7Q3L5AN5FAMOUR64/

    Experts like Doug Sellman have been telling our politicians to act for years. The Herald is part of the problem.

    Just one finding .

    “Alcohol is a cause of cancers of the mouth, throat, oesophagus, liver, large bowel and breast.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/83179106/doug-sellman-an-irresponsible-alcohol-industry-is-doing-its-best-to-confuse

  4. Jester 4

    Well hopefully 2021 is a better year than 2020 was, especially for any one that lost their job due to Covid.

  5. millsy 5

    Happy New Year Standard posters.

    I was going to rattle off a whole list of predictions, but I cannot really be bothered.

    Enjoy the rest of your break everyone. Looking forward to reading more interesting posts on here in the next 12 months. I might even write some if I can get motivated.

  6. Forget now 6

    I have been helping friends move flat with the annual end of the year shift, since my car has a towbar. Friends; plural, from a couple of different places. Due out of their old homes on New year's eve, and one at least was just moving stuff to storage with a big question mark about getting anything more than a slot in a rooming house ever again.

    The housing crisis is bad enough. The timing of fixed term leases (not many periodic nowadays) seems unnecessarily cruel. Say; the first of February, would be a lot easier (& more humane) than 31st of December for changeover, with no downside that I can see.

  7. Robert Guyton 7

    I had a couple of special visitors today; delightful barely describes them! To my great embarrassment, it wasn't till our garden ramble was nearing its end, and through some subtle prompting, that I realised I was in the company of one of The Standards Very Finest Commenters! In a way I was pleased not to have remembered who was due to visit, as I'd have wanted to talk politics, rather than gardens; I'm pretty naive at the former and a bit less so with the latter, so it all went well; we wandered about the place, deeply immersed in my leafy world. I did very much enjoy the visit, even though the topic of commenting here was only very lightly touched upon 🙂

  8. Macro 8

    A video in support of Mental Health gets a little profane and a little mention of God's Own!

    [video src="https://cdn.musebycl.io/2020-12/Public%20Work%20%23EFF2020%20A%20Holiday%20Campaign%20%28Uncensored%29.mp4" /]

    It's an amusingly pointed exercise in catharsis, with Station Film director Brendan Gibbons employing quick cuts to present diverse folks in various locations who drop F-bombs with glee.

    "Let's start with a giant, 'Fuck you, Covid-19!' " a healthcare worker says.

    "Fuck you for taking my job," offers a guy sitting on his porch.

    "Fuck you for closing his school," says a mom in her son's bedroom. The youngster adds: "Yeah, fuck you!"

    Canceled weddings and shortages of household goods come in for similar treatment, as does systemic racism and violence against Black people.

    "All lives will fucking matter when Black lives fucking matter!" an elderly white woman rails.

    Other targets include murder hornets, "motherfucking Zoom calls," Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, Karens, and a certain country praised for its handling of the pandemic while other nations continue to struggle.

    "Fuck you, New Zealand!" screams a guy on a bridge. "You think you're better than us?Well, you are. BUT FUCK YOU ANYWAY!"

    https://musebycl.io/advertising/agencys-end-2020-psa-wins-prize-most-f-bombs-ever

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