Open mike 02/08/2024

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  1. Morrissey 1
    2 August 2024 at 7:04 am

    Instant Karma

    The master race is struggling in Southport…

    https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1818403874513838295

    • Jimmy 1.1
      2 August 2024 at 1:06 pm

      Thanks for posting this Morrissey. Funniest thing I've seen all week. He was so staunch in front of the police. But the friendly fire changed all that.

  2. Nic the NZer 2
    2 August 2024 at 8:15 am

    @lprent, Looks like some unclosed formatting code has been deployed,

    "[su_tabs class="comm_users" style="modern-light"] [su_tab title="Comments"]"

    Probably also the cause of comments not being accepted for people who don't know to copy and paste the security code over the number 3.0.

  3. lprent 3
    2 August 2024 at 10:14 am

    Weird.. My guess is that it is some junk in the feed.

  4. Jenny 4
    2 August 2024 at 10:15 am

    Israeli citizens protest in support of gang rape of Palestinian man, Israeli MP argues in parliament that forcing sticks in prisoners' anus is "acceptable".

    ” The Palestinian detainee was taken to hospital, where “his injuries included a ruptured intestine, severe injury to the anus and lungs, and broken ribs”, according to Israeli outelt Haaretz.

    https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2024/07/31/israel-rape/

    Meanwhile American Dr.s describe scenes that would not be out of place in Auschwitz

    We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/19/gaza-hospitals-surgeons-00167697

    ….As we met Palestinian physicians and nurses working at the hospital, it was clear that they, like their patients, were physically and mentally unwell. Giving anyone a pat on the back dropped your hand between two unpadded shoulder blades and onto an exposed spine. In any given room one found staff members with jaundiced eyes, a sure sign of acute hepatitis A infection in such overcrowded conditions.

    Many staff had no sense of urgency and often no empathy, even for children. We were initially taken aback by this, But we quickly learned that our Palestinian health care colleagues were among the most traumatized people in the Strip. Like all Palestinians in Gaza, they had lost family members and their homes. Indeed, almost all of them now lived in and around the hospital with their surviving family. Although they all continued working a full schedule, they had not been paid since October 7; health sector salaries are paid by the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority and are always cut off during Israeli attacks….

    …..Several staff members told us they were simply waiting to die, and that they hoped Israel would get it over with sooner rather than later.

    On April 2 we met Tamer. His Facebook posts show a proud young man and father who became a nurse to provide for his two small children — …..he was assisting the orthopedics team in the operating room. He refused to leave his anesthetized patient. He said Israeli soldiers shot him in the leg, breaking his femur. His own orthopedic team cared for him, placing an external fixator to stabilize his shattered leg…..

    …..When we met Tamer at the hospital for treatment, all that was left of him was the disfigured outline of a human being, his body crippled by violence, his eye surgically removed and his mind haunted by torture. A man who once healed others was reduced to constantly begging for pain medications, reliant on others for everything — and wondering if his wife and children were even alive…..

    • joe90 4.1
      2 August 2024 at 10:25 am

      Previous.

      1 August 2024 at 12:08 am

      Thread (1/26)

      .

      @MouinRabbani

      THREAD: I’m interrupting my review of Arab-Israeli wars, which I will resume next week, to comment on a current development:

      […]

      On the morning of Monday 29 July, a contingent of Israel’s military police – the agency responsible for policing the security forces – showed up at Sde Teiman, an Israeli military base in the Negev Desert that now serves as a prison camp for Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.

      […]

      The military police had come to arrest nine of the soldiers – apparently all reservists – who serve at the camp. They were wanted for their involvement in the gang rape of a prisoner who was subsequently taken to the camp’s infirmary with severe rectal injuries.

      https://x.com/MouinRabbani/status/1818144763524047001

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1818144763524047001.html

      Edit:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouin_Rabbani

      • SPC 4.1.1
        2 August 2024 at 4:12 pm

        The next war against a fascism, involving Jews, is one within Israel as much as outside of its national borders.

        Those upholding human rights there are surrounded by those who do not recognise that others should be protected from their will to use force.

    • Subliminal 4.2
      2 August 2024 at 10:45 am

      Not only are Israeli politicians justifying gang rapes of Palestinian prisoners, held without charges being laid, but they have returned the Palestinian victim back into the hands of his seriously evil perpetrators at Sde Teiman to continue the absolute hell that his life has become. He is now at risk of further horrendous torture and death.

      https://thecradle.co/articles/palestinian-sexually-abused-by-israeli-jailers-returned-to-sde-teiman-prison-camp

    • Jenny 4.3
      2 August 2024 at 11:46 am

      Correction:

      "….Israeli MP argues in parliament that forcing sticks in prisoners' anus is "acceptable". Jenny

      Should read;

      “….Israeli MP argues in parliament that forcing sticks in prisoners' rectum is "legitimate".

      My apologies for not quoting the Israeli parliamentarian accurately.

    • Jenny 4.4
      2 August 2024 at 12:11 pm

      If you have ever wondered what you would have done during the Holocaust, you are doing it now.

      We Volunteered at a Gaza Hospital. What We Saw Was Unspeakable.

      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/19/gaza-hospitals-surgeons-00167697

      ….We have no idea how Juri ended up in the Gaza European Hospital preoperative area. All we could see was that she had an external fixator — a scaffold of metal pins and rods — on her left leg and necrotic skin on her face and arms from the explosion that tore her little body to shreds. Just touching her blankets elicited shrieks of pain and terror. She was slowly dying, so we decided to take the risk of anesthetizing her without knowing exactly what we would find.

      In the operating room, we examined Juri from head to toe. This beautiful, meek little girl was missing two inches of her left femur along with most of the muscle and skin on the back of her thigh. Both of her buttocks were flayed open, cutting so deeply through flesh that the lowest bones in her pelvis were exposed. As we swept our hands through this topography of cruelty, maggots fell in clumps onto the operating room table…..

      …..she begged her “American doctors” not to abandon her. We sedated her with ketamine to perform one last dressing change, and then snuck away before she fully regained consciousness, knowing we had no explanation for why she must suffer alone — while we were free to return to our lives and families.

      We left on a Monday, just after sunrise. We were both consumed with guilt; we felt like we had no right to exit Gaza, that by leaving — and not staying permanently — we were deeply complicit in this mass murder…..

      If these American Dr.s consider themselves complicit. Then how complicit are we? sitting here safe and sound comfortable in hosting the Israeli ambassador and participating in military training exercises with IDF soldiers?

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350307737/why-nz-navy-training-israel-and-what-could-mean

  5. joe90 5
    2 August 2024 at 10:20 am

    We really are going to cook ourselves.

    .

    Ground temperatures in East Antarctica have soared more than 50 degrees (28 Celsius) above normal in the second major heat wave to afflict the region in the past two years. This historic warm spell could persist for another 10 days and is an ominous example of the major temperature spikes this polar climate could experience more frequently in a warming world.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/antarctic-temperatures-soar-50-degrees-above-norm-in-long-lasting-heat-wave/ar-BB1qXUoF

    • Jenny 5.1
      2 August 2024 at 11:38 am

      Us human amoeba really need to start thinking about what we are doing to our petri dish.

      P.S. Amoeba literally can’t think. But surely we are better than this?

  6. Dennis Frank 6
    2 August 2024 at 10:38 am

    Dominance and submission routines have featured prominently throughout history and other creatures do them too, so she was just being traditional…

    Following the incident, Genter publicly acknowledged she would seek help to improve her conflict resolution skills as other allegations of Genter portraying similar behaviour emerged.

    In being found in contempt of the House, Genter’s actions were deemed to impede a member of the House “in the discharge of the member’s duties, or has a tendency, directly or indirectly, to produce such a result”.

    The committee found it was not acceptable to approach an MP to engage with them in a separate debate on the floor of the debating chamber.

    “It is particularly unacceptable to do so while leaning over another member in a way that could intimidate that member, regardless of whether that is the intention.” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-found-in-contempt-of-the-house-recommended-to-be-censured/LMLSFEI5FJABBGRB6Q3ZDG7I64/

    She could have just explained that it was evolutionary wiring driving her behaviour. Conflict resolution training seems rather ott inasmuch as parliament was designed to produce conflict, not resolve it, but we ought to keep in mind that the establishment has always been schizo. Writing the line I must be nice to my betters a thousand times seems the suitable traditional punishment…

  7. joe90 7
    2 August 2024 at 10:46 am

    Fucking deranged.

    @deangloster

    Buried on p. 455 of Trump's Project 2025 is the grim note that HHS will require every state to list every miscarriage by any pregnant women undergoing chemotherapy. After birth control and IVF and no fault divorce, they're coming for cancer treatment for pregnant women.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GT5fIFtXUAANdQS?format=png&name=900×900

    https://x.com/deangloster/status/1818996559788523693

    • Jenny 7.1
      2 August 2024 at 11:36 am

      If this doesn't cost Trump the election, then there is something seriously dysfunctional in the US body politic.

      Dystopia avoided?

      1972 Rockefeller Commission on "Population and the American Future" cites a 1966 study

      ….the study looked at the children of 188 women who were denied abortions from 1939 to 1941 at the hospital in Gothenburg Sweden. They compared these unwanted children to another group – the next child born after each of the unwanted children at the hospital. The unwanted children were more likely to grow up in adverse conditions, such as having divorced parents or being raised in foster homes and were more likely to become delinquents and engaged in crime.[6]

      2001 Donohue and Levitt study

      Data indicates that crime in the United States started to decline in 1992. Donohue and Levitt suggest that the absence of unwanted children, following legalization in 1973, led to a reduction in crime 18 years later, starting in 1992 and dropping sharply in 1995. These would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn [unwanted] children.[8][9]

      Legalized abortion and crime effect – Wikipedia

      • gsays 7.1.1
        2 August 2024 at 12:12 pm

        "…then there is something seriously dysfunctional in the US body politic."

        You don't need Trump for that. Congress just have Netanyahu a standing ovation.

        It's been a failed state for a long time now.

        Trump and his supporters (approx 1/2 the voting population) ain't the problem, they are a symptom.

        • SPC 7.1.1.1
          2 August 2024 at 4:23 pm

          There are two different extremes at work there

          1. pro life – Senator Duckworth used fertility treatment to conceive, fellow seantors congratulated her on becoming a mother. On Twitter they said she was a murderer because there were unused fertilised eggs. They want to ban fertility treatment.

          2. pro Israel – they see the state as a sign of end time prophecy – to validate turning the state into an Christian nation – as if the republic was a kingdom come sacrifice to prepare the way for bowls of judgement and the coming of a Christian divine right king – Trump's reference to the King James bible. James Stuart preached divine right monarchy.

  8. weka 8
    2 August 2024 at 11:04 am

    looks like commenting is back 👍

  9. bwaghorn 9
    2 August 2024 at 1:00 pm

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/523945/ngapuhi-leaders-walk-out-of-meeting-with-luxon-in-protest

    “”The Justice Minister wants to go back to how things were before the Court of Appeal decision, where Māori wanting Customary Marine Title need to prove they have had continuous exclusive use and ownership of an area since 1840.

    Surly if the had continuous exclusive use, the wouldn’t need to seek customary title, sounds like a paragraph from catch 22

    • ianmac 9.1
      2 August 2024 at 4:15 pm

      It is the proving of customary title when the continuous occupation clause is claimed. If a particular beach or nearby was made inaccessible by say a Government policy in the past, then the continuous occupation is broken. Goldsmith said the new law will make it impossible therefore to claim that it was continuous.

      And I still haven't found any evidence that Maori have made it impossible for non Maori to use the seashore.

      • Tiger Mountain 9.1.1
        2 August 2024 at 4:35 pm

        Well in the Far North where I live the obvious lot that do not allow beach access are in the Bay of Islands and Russell Peninsula, a number of rich buggers from parts elsewhere, with estates, gates and fences–go there at your peril–security and trespass notices.

        There are tiny areas like the tip of Karikari Peninsula that I live on at Tokerau Beach that are rare in respect of remaining in Māori ownership since colonisation. But in general you can go anywhere in Te Tai Tokerau coastline if you treat it with respect.

        • ianmac 9.1.1.1
          2 August 2024 at 5:04 pm

          "you can go anywhere in Te Tai Tokerau coastline if you treat it with respect."

          That is my impression too that the occasional blocking of people has been in an effort to protect the environment.

  10. SPC 10
    2 August 2024 at 4:05 pm

    Jon Stewart and the NY Times labour correspondent Steven Greenhouse "Beaten Down, Worked Up: The Past, Present, and Future of American Labor" and Heather Cox Richardson author of "Democracy Awakening: Notes on the State of America".

    Trump, Vance, and The Republican Anti-Worker Playbook … not for laughs.

    • ianmac 10.1
      2 August 2024 at 5:00 pm

      Well SPC. Is it possible that our current NZ Government has adopted the "let's find scapegoats" to blame for our problems? Such words in the above discussion have been paraphrased by Luxon. (Bottom Feeders, Maori, Beneficiaries, Labour Party, Incompetent Boards etc)

  11. joe90 11
    2 August 2024 at 4:38 pm

    Eighty years ago Stalin abandoned the Poles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising

    • Obtrectator 11.1
      2 August 2024 at 5:08 pm

      Call it hair-splitting if you will, but you can't "abandon" a people whose side you were never on in the first place. (Think: Low's famous Rendezvous cartoon, and what's since become known as the "Katyn Massacre".) Stalin and his cronies never forgave the Poles for the trouncing they gave the Red Army at the Battle of Komarow in 1920.