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Open mike 05/08/2019

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  1. Dennis Frank 1

    We're getting reassurance that common sense is prevailing, and Marama remains onside. Leftist alignment isn't necessarily incompatible with centrist praxis!

    "Jack Tautokai McDonald, number 9 on the party’s list last election, announced that he would be stepping away from his party roles because in his view there had been too much of a “centrist drift” under James Shaw, reports Radio NZ. It is a very significant move, as he was the policy co-convenor and one of the party’s leading Māori voices – here’s his full thread outlining his reasons why he’s made his decision. McDonald used to work closely with Marama Davidson, and this morning Radio NZ reported that she rejected the accusation of the party becoming too centrist." https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/05-08-2019/the-bulletin-greens-push-policy-to-rumbling-party/

    "But there was also widely reported member discontent at the conference. The NZ Herald’s Jason Walls spoke to Newstalk ZB about it, saying there were factions each pushing for the primary focus to be on environmental policy, or social policy. Many members would no doubt reject that it is a binary choice, saying both are important."

    Non-binary people show the way to the future. Both/and logic applies. Activists fresh out of kindy will struggle to attain that level of sophistication – that's normal. Cruise on up that learning curve, you'll get there eventually.

    • Robert Guyton 1.1

      You're either non-binary, or you're not.

      smiley

    • gsays 1.2

      I would have counted myself amongst the folk who are upset the Greens aren't radical enough (bring back Bradford).

      I have come to the conclusion that if we are to have a meaningful governmental approach to CC, we need key communities at the table i.e. farmers.

      James Shaw and Green leadership have done well to get our rural cousins involved in finding consensus.

  2. Robert Guyton 2

    James Shaw on RadioNZ live now, addressing Jack McDonald's accusations now. Sounding secure and intelligent. Looking at the long-term.

  3. Robert Guyton 3

    "A form of climate denialism" campaign of lies and misinformation that's being spread… Bridges' claims an evolution of denial…National "attempting to virtue-signal" to lower-socio-economic groups…"I was asked if I would support Simon Bridges over Jacinda Ardern…"

  4. Nottingham has lost his appeal against conviction and sentence.

    The Crown appeal was sort of successful, with an increase\to 31 months in prison calculated by the Court of Appeal, but with home detention already served this allows him to miss prison by a whisker, with a new 12 month home detention sentence and 18 months altogether banned from internet use.

    Paywall: Blogger’s convictions for ‘malicious and misogynistic attacks’ on former MP, business people stick

    Cameron Slater also gets a mention, who supported Nottingham's claim that using an overseas based website gave them immunity from NZ law, but the courts have disagreed.

    More details: Dermot Nottingham appeal fails, sentence increased

    • Sacha 4.1

      Impressive listing of court rulings in your post, thank you.

    • lprent 4.2

      Thanks for that.

      Cameron Slater and legal dimwit Nottingham – they really were and probably still are just complete time wasting arseholes with not moral compass and just born to fritter away money and resources.

      That list of public judgements and decisions is just from 2015 onwards. The history goes back a lot longer than that.

  5. Muttonbird 5

    Repost from yesterday's How To Get There:

    'Fundamental human right': Green Party releases housing policy

    We'll be offering a pathway to home ownership for people who rent and cannot afford to save for a deposit.

    – Marama Davidson

    This is crucial to the success of housing reform as it caters for those outside current Kiwibuild criteria.

    In my view, every single person in this country should have access to healthy, stable housing no matter what their income or status. That is the way to strong communities and better outcomes.

    The Greens also said:

    The Green Party is also fighting for reforms to the Residential Tenancies Act, and a mandatory Warrant of Fitness to enforce proper standards for rental homes.

    "We have a plan to shift New Zealand's approach to private rentals as well. We'll be reforming the Residential Tenancies Act this term, and we believe that no-cause terminations must end," Davidson said.

    Any progressive government in this country today needs to "shift New Zealand's approach to the rental market"

    We need to get amateur landlords out, and professional landlords in.

    Hope they can work together with Labour on this in the next government. What a formidable government that would be!

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/fundamental-human-right-green-party-releases-housing-policy.html

  6. Chris T 6

    I thought I would have a go at listening to Peter Williams on Radio live last week and today, as he has always come across as a good bloke.

    Far out.

    He comes across so conservative, he makes Sean Plunket seem liberal.

    Pretty funny though.

    • Dennis Frank 6.1

      Yeah, no surprise. I worked with him a few times in the '90s when I was an editor in the TVNZ newsroom. Never even thought of talking to him about interesting stuff. I know an arch-conservative when I see one, takes just a fraction of a second.

      He's human though. Showed that recently when he was on Garner's show panel one morning, surprised me. People can change, but arch-cons do it real slow. Like driving a car with the hand-brake on.

  7. mosa 7

    Mass Surveillance update.

    Unionist crusader Andrew Little will always protect out rights!

    Yeah right.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/08/02/guest-blog-ross-meurant-oh-how-the-worm-turns/

  8. mosa 8

    How can we have mature road safety when we have so many immature idiots holding licences.

    There will be no serious consequences for this type of road safety stupidity !!

    Our whole approach is childish and that includes the police.

    This is treated as a joke.

    Many drivers take risks and refuse too follow the road rules as there is no fear of the consequences of their actions.

    How many motorists would have been warned to turn on their lights in the lower south island this morning so they could be seen by other drivers and pedestrians due to the conditions.

    The answer is 0

    No enforcement on the basics.

    It is time the ” she will be right approach ” and i will drive how i like and the ” don’t be naughty “approach of the police is given serious attention.

    That would be a start.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114753778/hot-cakes-warning-dont-eat-and-drive

    • greywarshark 8.1

      I remember reading that the justice system doesn't make sure that drivers before the Courts for driving offences, including drunken driving and who are required to take refresher, remedial courses or study of some sort, actually complete these courses. And that applies to repeat offenders; apparently they just turn up, get some fine, or sentence and are able to not complete a course. There should be a jail sentence with hard labour for such slithery non-compliers to bring them to their senses. And some reward for doing so, and for coming back once a year for three years to do a test. Also I would like vehicle simulators to be used, and discussions with an instructor about what they have done wrong, and how they could drive better in that situation. Everyone enjoys simulators, and they might learn something to change their possibly automatic behaviour.

      Another traffic problem on Radio nz this morning, more vehicles in accidents have no wofs. The crash may not have been caused by a vehicle fault, but it seems that there is a fault in the driver or company in being careless about maintenance and wof, and no doubt the driver is not being properly looked after either!

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395973/increase-in-unwarranted-vehicles-involved-in-serious-crashes-concerning

      I wonder also if the old easing of regulations meme that has caused us problems since NZ went for deregulation, is still hanging over us with its tendency for slack attitudes continuing. The change in 201q4 for some vehicles to only need wofs every 3 years or so, may have indicated that she'll-be-right is the way-to-go.

      I see for new: An initial WoF inspection, another one at three years old, then one per year for the lifetime of the vehicle.

      Considering that there is usually a consensus that every regulation should be as simple as possible (so even a child can understand), I can't see why the 3 year thing is there – make it one year throughout and no confusion!!

      https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/vehicle/warrants-certifications/docs/wof-changes.pdf

      • Gabby 8.1.1

        Sure, of course, if the problem is the rising cost of everything, then raising the cost is bound to work like a charm.

        • greywarshark 8.1.1.1

          But there is no lucky charm Gabby. Just doing what seems practical. No magic to that but it would likely work, and that might be its charm.

    • Challenging the capabilities of the average driver is taboo @ mosa. It's like 'The War'. Don't mention it!

      It's everybody else's fault – always. Despite what we think, I reckon we're among the world's worst drivers – probably because of our laid back yea/nah attitude and uber competitive nature.

      Certain things no longer seem to be enforced, and I guess that comes down to the idea that the slower one goes, the less the damage when it does happen.

      Trouble is, not only are there now more distractions, but generally people's spatial awareness has lessened over the recent decades along with an increase in traffic, and the cult of the individual and the self.

      The 2 second rule gets reduced to a 1 second rule; the right hand (passing lane) is MINE to own; indiscriminately changing lanes is my prerogative because my needs to get ahead are more important than yours; I'm considerably more accomplished at driving than you; Indicators are optional extras and you should have been able to read my mind; that bloody traffic light changed to red too quickly; etc.

      It's not just immaturity either. Grey haired old blokes that've been driving for 40 years or so just KNOW that anything that happens is someone else's fault – even if they're owning the right hand lane and yakking on their cell phone telling Mrs Bloke (Mertle) to put the kettle on. And Christ! – just bloody wait till Mertle has a go behind the wheel!

      And of course, it hasn't yet dawned on most that they're a bit of a hassle to others WALKING down the street in a straight line whilst trying to txt, let alone trying to be clever doing so with the cellphone in their laps – just below the windscreen/window line of the vehicle.

      I'm knocking on having driven for 50 years mate! Some of it professionally – without an accident. You can't fault me (/sarc)

      • AB 8.2.1

        Speeding is a middle-class misdemeanour. (A bit like owning rentals). Attempts to police it result in outrage and claims that the 'real' issue is cellphones/poor roads/slow drivers/Asians etc. Anything except an overweening sense of entitlement and self-importance . Not to mention a refusal to own the psychological and economic truth of that Smashing Pumpkins line: "despite all my rage/I am still just a rat in a cage"

        • greywarshark 8.2.1.1

          Speeding when I am travelling 100s of kms and am on a clear road in good light and go up over 100km or am passing a behemoth or a slowish van and have to go over 100 kmh to do so safely. I find it wrong that should automatically be punished. My happiest moment behind the wheel was when I was in front of a group winding down the hills and managed to stay at appropriate speeds and not be passed. No-one behind me had anything to complain about and I could see where I was going and moved along at the speed limit when possible.

          But in town I think we should be driving at 40 kmh tops. I go at 50 km because I can, but often think it would be better if we all dropped a bit.

          One thing I don't like is that approaching a narrowed bit of road – cars parked at sides for instance, drivers don't slow down even a bit. It's I can dodge through here and my side is clear. If you give way to them to make sure there is room, they charge forward at full legal speed and don't even look at you or raise a hand. Just a small wave would make driving more pleasant. And when it is wet, and humid and fogged up inside and out, why not slow down and be safe and give pedestrians a chance to dash over and get out of the rain.

      • mosa 8.2.2

        Excellent points.

    • greywarshark 8.3

      Mosa – I note your same comment on todays The Daily Blog – 3 minutes apart. I don't think that this blog would appreciate being used as a broadcasting medium for your multiple messages.

  9. Cinny 9

    Standing ovation for Mr Andrew Little….. way to go to make me cry, that's a good thing. THANK YOU FOR THIS !!!!

    'Little is asked why he is giving the Government power to set 150-metre "safe zones" around abortion clinics. These would stop people protesting and handing literature to people seeking abortions in these zones.yesheart He says these would be created on a localised basis.

    "Approaching a woman going to an abortion clinic and throwing leaflets and pamphlets in her face or chanting various dreadful epithets at them for going through with that health decision is pretty dreadful," Little said.'

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114751896/live-government-announces-abortion-reform

    • greywarshark 9.1

      Cinny – Mr Little +100

    • Rosemary McDonald 9.2

      Its great that abortion will be removed from the Crimes Act…hopefully this will mean that we won't need special abortion clinics. Terminations can be done like any other medical procedure at the local public hospital. Usual patient security applies, and protestors will not be able to distinguish a woman going in for an abortion from one going in for any other elective procedure.

    • Wensleydale 9.3

      Stand by for Bob McCoskrie and friends to crank up the outrage generator.

    • A 9.4

      Fantastic news!

    • +1 Andrew is a good man, Cinny.

  10. mosa 10

    It would be a breakthrough if this appalling case of intimidation, corruption of the law and personal rights is taken up by the MSM

    If you care about journalism and the freedom to express an opinion in New Zealand with out fear of what will happen if you do then this story needs exposure.

    Or have we really turned that corner and no longer value or encourage the freedom of investigative journalism and commentators like Bradbury and Hagar to do their job without the fear of harassment ?

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/08/05/my-trial-against-the-nz-police-starts-this-month-in-wellington-an-invitation-to-nz-media/

    • Anne 10.1

      This establishment mindset had existed for decades mosa. There have been a lot of victims over the years including me.

      I still find it hard to believe that the 'powers that be' were/are willing to believe crackpots and malice driven arseholes over ordinary citizens going about their business in a lawful way but it happened time and again. In the meantime the real culprits (eg Cameron Slater and co.) were running around committing unlawful acts and slandering people right left and centre and they were allowed to get away with it. The reason is because they had the backing of influential people.

      If Bradbury is successful he will set a precedence which might encourage others to come forward with their stories.

      • mosa 10.1.1

        " If Bradbury is successful he will set a precedence which might encourage others to come forward with their stories "

        Let's hope so Anne.

        Kind regards

  11. lprent 11

    Testing comment.

    Just about to update the RSS feed tool.

    • lprent 11.1

      Needless to say, there are several problems.

      Muppets.. Oh well that is why I go on holiday. That and to make sure I don't have to bike to work in the really bad weather.

      • Sacha 11.1.1

        You picked a great day for the latter.

        • lprent 11.1.1.1

          Yeah – the first week of August is when my personal weather records say that it is great time to be idle at home or having holiday with hot sun and a beach.

  12. greywarshark 12

    NZ and Biodiversity. Scoops Hivemind invite you to watch the vid and read the details and send your thoughts about it.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1908/S00012/the-nz-biodiversity-strategy-discussion-document-explained.htm

    then

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1908/S00014/scoop-hivemind-restoring-and-protecting-biodiversity.htm

    (I have come in here at the time and date indicated 1.40 pm – but see johnm’s two comments for 5 August 2019 with times of 7.21pm and 7.28pm. I have done a search for johnm and they come up as the same time and date and I have been taken to them but the time is not right, so a glitch here.)

  13. greywarshark 13

    Here is a chance for men with good attitudes to community and respect for people and kindness, to come to the aid of the party. A party without alcohol that is.

    Men are needed to help other men over their urge to use violence when they are stressed and need to act strong to manage their life, and protect themselves from feeling inadequate. There is the funding but where are the decent men who want to put something into society and help other men? The help is needed, and it should be respected and honoured as much as firefighting is.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/395998/more-men-needed-to-help-combat-domestic-violence

    But there must be training for it and rules about the way it is carried out. Otherwise there can be misunderstandings leading to more problems.

    Here is what seems an excellent report from Stuff reporter Harrison Christian 9/6/2019 which would give a background on the difficulties of many offenders. To read it is to understand the depressing impact of the things coming up regularly on the news about low-income existence. But the younger men needing help to break their cycle of offending may not be gang members as the media lead us to believe.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111969648/once-were-warriors-25-years-on-gangs-and-being-poor-then-and-now

    Gangs expert Jarrod Gilbert said the gang scene in New Zealand had become more subdued since the battle-worn days of the 80s, as memberships have aged.

    "Those gang members in Once Were Warriors were all fairly young men," the senior lecturer at Canterbury University said.

    "Nowadays if you took a snapshot of a gang, you would see guys aged in their 50s and 60s – sometimes their 70s."

    Crime data shows older men are much less likely to commit violent crime and to be recidivist offenders.

    "They've slowed down a bit. They don't have the overt violence; they are looking to create better lives for their members and families rather than just be hardcore, all-out violent and antisocial as they used to be in the past."

    It's evident in the growing involvement of New Zealand's traditional street gangs in community initiatives, and their willingness to set aside old rivalries and co-operate with each other.

    This is about a relatively recent look at the issues of violence and criminality commenting on the support and leadership by PM Jacinda Ardern and Min of Justice Andrew Little by Denis O'Reilly, 27/8/2018.

    https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/the-justice-summit-and-the-road-from-populism-to-principle/

  14. greywarshark 14

    Another take on Brexit from the Irish Examiner via Yanis Varoufakis. 31/7/2019

    Jeremy Corbyn must expose Boris Johnson’s no-deal Brexit as a Trump-deal Brexit and put forward Labour’s plan to end the interminable Brexit ordeal immediately, suggests Yanis Varoufakis…

    Theresa May’s failure reflected an inability to distinguish between the EU’s broader interests and the specific motivation of its establishment. Given a choice between securing the profits of continental exporters and reaffirming the bureaucracy’s modus operandi, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, and the political leaders behind him will unfailingly opt for the latter. Every proposal of significant changes to the withdrawal agreement negotiated by May’s government, even those in the EU’s long-term interests, will thus be rejected.

    Johnson is unlikely to repeat May’s error. To be sure, he may be tempted to try out his rhetorical skills on German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron. But Dominic Cummings, his effective chief of staff (and the cunning campaign director of Vote Leave in 2016) would undoubtedly remind Johnson that the last thing he needs is to expose the British public to another scene of their prime minister returning from the Continent empty-handed….

    Corbyn’s second task is to offer an alternative for ending the humiliation of the ongoing negotiations.
    That means committing to revoke Article 50 to allow a Labour government time to implement a green-investment, anti-austerity policy agenda in tune with the party’s progressive internationalism, while simultaneously organizing a Citizens’ Deliberative Assembly to formulate the question(s) to be put to voters in a second Brexit referendum.

    A general election fought over these two unequivocal alternatives, Johnson’s and Corbyn’s, would empower the UK’s people, at last, to determine their country’s future.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2019/07/31/jeremy-corbyns-finest-hour-irish-examiner-project-syndicate/

  15. Muttonbird 15

    Amazing that a message board like 8chan could still operate after Christchurch but there does seem to finally be some movement in the capital of the free world to face up to their addiction to violence and hatred.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/396011/cloud-site-terminates-8chan-after-el-paso-shooting

  16. Robert Guyton 16

    "When it goes into trees that's it; dead, done – gone forever. "

    "There's a psychological shift happening, Worsnop says. Rural people face a permanent change in land use, and in their way of life. "When it goes into trees that's it; dead, done – gone forever. "

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/114010655/rural-life-under-threat-as-forestrys-canopy-grows

    • Robert Guyton 16.1

      ""But now you're starting to see quality properties for sheep and beef going into trees, and that's a real shame.""

      Who're selling the farms??

    • vto 16.2

      that's what the forests said when the man came along with his fire and his sheep… "there's a psycho shift happening" they said…

      it will transpire that the anomaly will be the sheep

      and plants will rule… after all, horticulture is far more productive

    • Pat 16.3

      dead ground that grows trees?….odd

      • Robert Guyton 16.3.1

        Primal fear of the forest; it's Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham!

  17. Robert Guyton 17

    I wonder if…over time, plantations of pine, neglected because of climate or economic difficulties, could become valuable nurseries for native trees…pasture doesn't do this, as sheep keep eating …and eating….everything that tries to sprout and grow.

  18. Puckish Rogue 18

    Geez it sounds like some in Labour think they're owed access to whatever body they want

    They're not too impressed with the Labour bigwigs either…cue concerned frown and head tilt combo

    Might be time for another cover magazine shoot…😏

  19. johnm 19

    We're now in non linear exponential climate change. Michael Mann's hockey stick curve upwards. What is the outlook for the future?

    Guy McPherson @ Mother Foucault's Bookstore in Portland 3 May 2019

  20. greywarshark 20

    Edit:
    An interesting piece from last Sunday Radionz on how UK politicians are de-formed at their upper class boarding schools. Dr Nick Duffell, talks about the conditions as 'privileged abandonment and has written two books on the subject about which he has had personal experience.'

    These schools perpetuate an entrenched English class system, he says.

    “What they do is they develop a very strong esprit de corps for their class.

    “This is what you've seen in Britain with the Brexit situation, that here is a class who will do anything to save the Tory party, and the wider global implications of what they're doing is completely cut off for them, they don't even see it.”

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018707127/dr-nick-duffell-why-boarding-schools-produce-bad-leaders

    (I have also put it in How to Get There on Sunday 4/8/2019. I was interested in the development of the personality, and the deprivation of affection and family life affecting many of these boys and teenagers at boarding schools.)

    Tom Sharpe satirised a Cambridge college in his book Porterhouse Blue, and there was a second called Grantchester Grind.

    https://www.fantasticfiction.com/s/tom-sharpe/porterhouse-blue.htm

  21. Eco maori 22

    Kia ora The Am Show.

    Stop trying to talk the house market down I though that to the housing market slows in winter the great phenomenon about the smaller cities housing prices riseing is that more Maori own homes there so they will be better off.

    simon the Greens party is Green on the outside and intelligent on the inside they no national will shaft them in a Coalition government.

    Crap if the employer followed due process the fine would not have stuck. Employers have the wellbeing of employees in their hands so they need to respect that if they fire people at a wim they are putting them in hardship.

    Good on That young fella for donating his money from the sale of his paintings to charity.

    Off to cut wood whanau look for new wood selling being advertised on trademe and small news papers and the Saturday paper for us our wood is tested with moisture meters so complying with councils law less than 25 % moisture and because we have heaps of wood from the forests harvest we give HUGE cords of wood like the size of the old days everyone who has bought our wood is smiling when we leave.

    Ka kite ano

  22. Eco maori 23

    Any person in power whom denies Human Caused Climate Change is putting the 99.9 % of us lives at great risk as some people believe the lies hence they don't plan or prepare for Global Warming next minute they are in a disaster unprepared that is not a good place to be. With a little bit of changes on can minimize the effects Global warming will have on them .I am doing my small bit my carbon foot print has dropped dramatically now I live off grid with solar power and composting TOILET solar power water supplies to .

    Australia’s climate stance is inflicting criminal damage on humanity

    The government opts for conflict rather than change, while suppressing details on the implications of its climate

    The top priority of government is security of the people. Yet on the greatest threat of all, most governments are failing abysmally.

    As the global influence of western democracies wanes with the ascendancy of China, India and other emerging countries, the resulting power struggle is diverting attention from the great issues the world faces, to their symptoms

    The neoliberal market economy, with its unregulated consumption and rapacious short-term outlook, is destroying modern civilisation. The warning signs are obvious, not least burgeoning high-consuming populations, massive biodiversity loss and multiple resource scarcities. Yet rather than reform an unsustainable system, political leaders scramble to prop it up and compound the problem. The result is Brexit, Trump’s Mexican wall, escalating Middle East tension, the US-China trade standoff, a global arms and space race, Amazon deforestation and much more

    Ka kite ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/03/australias-climate-stance-is-inflicting-criminal-damage-on-humanity

  23. Eco Maori 24

    Some Eco Maori music for the minute.

  24. Eco maori 25

    Some Eco Maori Music for the minute.

  25. Eco maori 26

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  26. Eco maori 27

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    The ORC interest rate has been cut thats cool it will save a lot of money for mortgages on housing etc. I no someone who won't be happy.

    Negative interest rates is not good the banks could end up changing for holding savers money like they did in Japan.

    That's cool Pharmac is looking at funding more drugs for cancer sufferers.

    Cleo that gives Me a sore face PEE dealer's getting snapped by the Police ka pai that stuff is wrecking some Maori whanau.

    Mike I know that coffee hypes me up.

    Cool Rocket Lab is going to try and recover and recycle there Electron rocket that is going to save Peter money and lower his carbon footprint maybe one day I will get a CHANCE to have a look at his operation.

    Condolences to Toni Morrison whanau.

    A huge parrot was discovered in Otago that is awesome 1 meter tall what a cool find.

    Ka kite ano

  27. Eco maori 28

    Kia Ora Te Maori News.

    Taina having a meeting with Wally quite a long meeting to Mana Wahine.

    Travis gone bush back to the whenua hunting fishing like te tipuna did in the old days awesome its good that he is advocating for mental illness Maori is doing a similar thing living with a small carbon footprint.

    Ka pai te hippe for getting heaps of signatures to help stop the building of a jettie on Waiheki Island we need to be wize with new developments especially when it involves Tangaroa.

    Ka kite ano P.S what happened to the captions I could guess.

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