Open mike 08/02/2024

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16 comments on “Open mike 08/02/2024 ”

  1. Bearded Git 1

    Verity is good today; sums up the mess that the Luxon government is in.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350170595/how-christopher-luxon-bridesmaid-his-own-government

    • Tony Veitch 1.1

      Because for a bunch of people, this government’s tenure so far could be summed up with two main ideas; supporting smoking and questioning the Treaty of Waitangi.

      At the moment. Give them time.

      They'll soon be summed up by their opening NZ to foreign speculators, environmental degradation and failing to meet their international climate commitments.

    • mac1 1.2

      So, who's the groom? We have Luxon as Bride, Seymour as the Maid of Honour, and Peters as the Best Man, according to Verity Johnson.

      Is the public seen as the Groom in this scenario? If so, we want a divorce.

      And we need to count the silver because of that dodgy guest list…….

    • SPC 1.3

      Luxon and National are still hoping to play the Trump card (at arms length), so that they can exploit populism for their political advantage without being taken over by it, as the GOP is.

  2. Ad 2

    So there's a long way to go to the substantial hearing, but big shoutout to Mike Smith and his volunteer legal team for pushing the Court system all the way to the Supreme Court to make our largest polluter companies see sense.

    "At the full hearing, the Māori and climate rights campaigner will argue that, by contributing to climate change, the seven companies with some of the country’s largest carbon footprints are in breach of two well-established common law principles, plus a novel duty."

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/climate-change/350170790/will-huge-court-decision-spur-fonterra-genesis-and-z-energy-go-green

    For the record, these are the big polluters that are defending and funding this:

    coalminer BT Mining, oil importer Channel Infrastructure, farming company Dairy Holdings, dairy giant Fonterra (which burns coal to dry milk), energy company Genesis (which burns coal and gas to create electricity), NZ Steel (which also burns coal) and petrol and diesel retailer Z Energy.

    I am sure the law will change under this government somewhat, but for now go the team.

    • Tony Veitch 2.1

      From No Right Turn on the sidebar:

      Of course, there's a third option: buy politicians to legislate legal impunity for polluters. Which would of course be nakedly corrupt as well as sociopathic. Unfortunately, with our current crop of politicians, that can't be ruled out.

  3. Robert Guyton 3

    Russel Norman went to Waitangi and formulated an opinion.

    "It’s no coincidence that this is also the most anti-nature Government we’ve had in decades. The forces pushing against indigenous self-determination and the right to protect the natural world as taonga are the same forces that have no regard for the importance of the natural world. And so the fight to protect nature from pollution and destruction is intertwined with the struggle for indigenous justice."

    https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/story/standing-for-te-tiriti-o-waitangi/

  4. Adrian 4

    Mike the Lefty yesterday in the Treaty post mentioned the disquiet is not just from Māori, if anyone was wondering just start with Doug Graham, JimBolger and Jenny Shipley. I posited last week that an “intervention” may occur from the Nat’s old guard for the sake of the party. I wonder if that’s what happened before the climb down?

  5. Tiger Mountain 5

    Gosman got his lycra in a twist yesterday in a thread relating to Micky’s post…
    https://thestandard.org.nz/toitu-te-tiriti/
    …when I critiqued his hero Mr Seymour, no, no, no said Gossie to an Act connection with Atlas Network. Check out page 7 of the 2008 Atlas Review, Mr Seymour is pictured, curiously tagged as something to do with Canada.

    https://admin.atlasnetwork.org/assets/documents/financials/22209874-Atlas-Year-in-Review-2008_1.pdf

    Taxpayers Union are deep with Atlas as is Casey Costello apparently.
    https://www.astroturfing.nz/atlas-connected-minister-lent-her-voice-to-australias-no-campaign/?fbclid=IwAR0F9cyJWP4dUYA_Bnf0Be_1pjQQ-10YFbOHohvrmnHgWuoaEf039XBCoDY

    The libertarians seem to just love their dirty little secrets. It is good for their authoritarian populism to be exposed in my view, but with their classic dirty politics “two track” strategy of a public face and a very different back channel it makes doing so difficult.

  6. Muttonbird 6

    I can't believe these two are already squabbling in public. The government is barely 3 months old, six weeks of which was the holiday period and they are completely at cross purposes.

    Instead of two nut jobs arguing about how best to abolish The Treaty, why not focus on avoiding the ominous-looking downturn in housing and infrastructure building.

    Rimmer calls Luxton nervous, and a liar. Unbelievable the deputy PM would talk about the PM like that in the media.

    Then again, this might be deliberate, ACT get to campaign as if they are still in opposition, or at least outside cabinet, buying loads of time to keep promoting their anti-Maori bill. If Luxton doesn’t want to give it or Seymour any more oxygen, he needs to drastically shorten the select committee process.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/christopher-luxon-fires-back-after-david-seymour-s-comments-on-controversial-treaty-of-waitangi-principles-bill.html

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/david-seymour-says-he-doesn-t-believe-comment-from-christopher-luxon-on-treaty-principles-bill.html

  7. Robert Guyton 7

    It is wryly amusing that those people who are most concerned about the use of Big Brother facial recognition surveillance at supermarkets, are those who during the Covid crisis, refused to wear the masks that could protect them now from…Big Brother facial recognition surveillance at supermarkets.

  8. Wei 8

    Does anyone force people to smoke?

    Smoking is a choice, and if some people want to smoke and do it in a place that does not affect others, then why should I, a 'non-smoker' impede on their right to do so?

    It is also ironic that many of those same people decrying the reversal of anti-smoking legislation, would also support at the same time the decriminalisation of cannabis.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

    [You’re acting like a disingenuous diversion troll.

    Back up your ironic claim – Incognito]

  9. SPC 9

    Paula, then Muriel in the NZH, now a leak to the Herald – the welfare drumstick is being handled like a little sibling of ram raiding (why are there not more young Maori in school or prison) and its big brother keep the dairy owners safe to sell smokes.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/benefit-blowout-government-models-reveal-longer-stays-on-welfare/J2BZUQOV6RC47PODN2SFJO6FLE/

    What people find when they look at longevity on welfare, which occurs across economic cycles, is the complexity.

    It is about society. Why are they not work ready … one is health conditions. A failing health system (including dental), exacerbated by the pandemic (increase in waiting lists and long covid), years in poor housing, poverty lifestyle (cheap comfort food), inactivity/inertia caused by lack of ability to participate because of poverty.

    Unfortunately National's first instinct is to reduce the cost of benefits (reducing the amount paid asap). Then threaten people with loss of benefits if x and y … . This has no impact on the willingness of an employer to hire a person who has been on a benefit.

    Which is why National always plans for an increase in prison population on coming into government.

    Which is why, if they get re-elected their policies on managing the release of prisoners back into society becomes more an more important – or it becomes a problem for the next government (as in 2017).

    The vampire cycle continues, as National vote harvests from the always innocent gullible public.

    It does require investment to change.

    Sustaining income, off work training programmes/in work internships, sometimes community housing – ask iwi. Remember PEP, talk to John Carter.

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