Open Mike 09/09/2018

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1. Dennis Frank 1

   9 September 2018 at 7:34 am

   “Trans exclusionary radical feminists, they’re called TERFs, and they’re telling us we’re not who we say we are. It’s a real threat to our existence.”

   Quite a revealing interview with Chelsea Manning, by Simon Wilson: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12121279
   • Pat 1.1

     9 September 2018 at 8:28 am

     TERF’s?….we must be running out of pidgeonholes by now ,surely?
   • millsy 1.2

     9 September 2018 at 10:55 am

     The thing about TERFs and their SWERF cousins is that they are essentially the 5th column for the Christian right. Family Fist has backed the local SWERF/TERF community for quite some time
     • AsleepWhileWalking 1.2.1

       9 September 2018 at 11:39 am

       What has to happen to someone to make them so nasty?

       Chelsea in contrast sounds fascinating.
2. Dennis Frank 2

   9 September 2018 at 8:37 am

   Google: “Feminists with critical views have been referred to as “TERFs” (short for trans-exclusionary radical feminist). They generally object to the acronym and have called it a slur or even hate speech.”

   Understandable. Lotsa folk hate being put in pigeon-holes, eh? But that one doesn’t quite capture the new form of hypocrisy that’s being invented in minority culture wars.

   “That group of feminists that claims that trans women aren’t really women, as biological determinism is only a fallacy when it’s used against them, not when they use it against others.” https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TERF
   • Pat 2.1

     9 September 2018 at 12:29 pm

     “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member”
     Groucho Marx
     • Dennis Frank 2.1.1

       9 September 2018 at 12:51 pm

       “In a 1959 interview on BBC TV’s Showtime, Chico Marx was asked how his brother Groucho got his name. Referring to the times when marijuana was legal and the Marx Brothers were a Vaudeville act (around 1920), he replied, “We used to wear a little bag around our neck, called a Grouch bag. In this bag we would keep our pennies, some marbles, a couple of pieces of candy, a little marijuana, whatever we could get…(laughter from the audience)… “
       • greywarshark 2.1.1.1

         9 September 2018 at 1:11 pm

         Careful Dennis Frank
         Women have had to put up with a lot of shit over the centuries right up to this second. The style changes but there are forces at work to reduce women’s standing in the community all the time. So they are not very happy that men have managed to undermine any sisterhood that exists, and wear the ‘feminine’ as if it was a decoration, or a passport.

         Till now they have had a feeling of sanctuary if they have gone into the women’s toilets, but the bloody men have found a way to insert themselves into that little nook. Now it can be like Little Red Riding Hood going into Grandmama’s house and finding something with more bristles than Gran, and more everything than Gran including bigger teeth. It is very unsettling. Their anger is quite understandable. Men actually don’t want women hanging round their toilets either; in theory it may raise some feverish excitement, but in reality they should bloody stay out of this male enclave.

         However, taking this matter further than you may want to go.
         https://www.quora.com/Would-guys-use-an-open-urinal-in-a-public-unisex-restroom
         • Dennis Frank 2.1.1.1.1

           9 September 2018 at 1:24 pm

           Nah, I’d rather let Chelsea speak for herself. I find the culture war in the minorities an interesting part of identity politics.
3. Dennis Frank 3

   9 September 2018 at 9:25 am

   Political festivals could be a viable way to recombine fun & politics, a social alchemy not seen in Aotearoa since Shadbolt almost 50 years ago. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/08/you-can-have-a-voice-political-festivals-on-rise-uk

   Tory MP George Freeman, who last year organised the Big Tent Ideas festival in Britain (“mercilessly lampooned last summer as the “Tory Glastonbury” – a paddock of largely male Conservative supporters in red chinos”), has lurched to the radical center for this year’s design: “I have made it non-party political so that MPs, peers and others from the centre left can also get involved”. He offers a sensible rationale: “for a generation under 40 the traditional party conference is as dead as a dodo”.
   • James 3.1

     9 September 2018 at 9:28 am

     Hell we saw the tragic outcome of the labour youth camp – can you imagine the damage of an entire festival???
     • Nick 3.1.1

       9 September 2018 at 9:37 am

       I doubt you will be getting an invite anyway. So it’s a win/win.
     • joe90 3.1.2

       9 September 2018 at 10:10 am

       Hell we saw the tragic outcome of the labour youth camp –can you imagine the damage of an entire festival???

       I’m sure you can.
       • greywarshark 3.1.2.1

         9 September 2018 at 12:53 pm

         I think Breiveik should be executed on the grounds of incontrovertible evidence of brutal behaviour towards others that includes the following (murdering and worst of 9 other behaviours) which result in withdrawing human respect for him and his right to life.
       • Muttonbird 3.1.2.2

         9 September 2018 at 5:11 pm

         James and his RW fundie friends no doubt blame Norway Labour for that – not enough security to stop a RW madman bombing parliament as a distraction and then proceeding to murder 75 teenagers.

         They’ll always protect their own – in this case Anders Breivik.
     • mauī 3.1.3

       9 September 2018 at 12:03 pm

       Just don’t invite James he will slaughter and roast a sentient beast and proceed to gorge himself with his mates.
       • marty mars 3.1.3.1

         9 September 2018 at 12:35 pm

         Put his dog on the spit and watch him squeal then.
4. Adrian Thornton 4

   9 September 2018 at 10:05 am

   Labour UK start the long awaited purge of the liberal Blairite cancer from the party…

   “Purge of the Labour moderates: Jeremy Corbyn’s allies ‘draw up hitlist of 50 MPs’ as hard-Left Momentum campaigners tighten grip on the party’
   Yeh, sounds good..
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293373/Purge-Labour-moderates.html

   “Labour’s new masters prepare to purge the moderates”
   Loving it…
   https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labours-new-masters-prepare-to-purge-the-moderates-32sfkjskw

   “Labour’s review of candidates is not a purge: it’s what’s known as democracy”
   That doesn’t sound like so much fun…
   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/labour-review-candidates-not-purge-democracy-momentum

   “Labour’s leading pro-Israel MP loses vote of no confidence as latest purge is broadcast by banned Iranian TV station”
   That’s better, more hysterical, that’s more like it…
   https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/07/labour-mp-joan-ryan-blasts-trots-stalinists-losing-confidence/

   I just hope I live long enough to witness our very own purge… ah we live in hope…someday.
   • Ed 4.1

     9 September 2018 at 10:16 am

     The media is to be reformed as well.
     • Adrian Thornton 4.1.1

       9 September 2018 at 10:33 am

       True that, have to purge those fuckers right after the party purge, this is sounding better and better all the time, have to come up with a term other than ‘purge’ though, something a bit more benign ….don’t want to scare the public.
   • Alan 4.2

     9 September 2018 at 11:56 am

     what, so you can get 15% of the vote at the next election?
     • Adrian Thornton 4.2.1

       9 September 2018 at 1:28 pm

       Careful there pal…might have you send you off for some ‘reeducation’.
   • Morrissey 4.3

     9 September 2018 at 7:41 pm

     The Murdoch Times cynically describes the Blairite right as “moderates”. I don’t see anything funny about that. We will now be hearing RNZ National and our television autocue readers routinely describing Yenta Hodge and her discredited cronies as “moderates.”
5. Ngungukai 5

   9 September 2018 at 10:42 am

   Not much coverage of 1080 Protests in the MSM, I guess all the reporters and journalists are pro 1080 and know where their bread is buttered ?
   • Barfly 5.1

     9 September 2018 at 10:56 am

     Hopefully most people understand that without 1080 possums will annihilate native bush- trees, plants, birds, et cetera. 1080 protesters have no viable plan for possum controll because without 1080 there isn’t one.
     • Patricia Bremner 5.1.1

       9 September 2018 at 11:12 am

       Yes Barfly, that is the problem.. they talked of possum control through pheromones, but I haven’t seen any other news on that front.
     • weston 5.1.2

       9 September 2018 at 2:55 pm

       Crap barfly theres plenty of alternatives to the use of 1080 and imo based on a lifetime of hunting them a moderate population of possums has zero effect on either flora or fauna .
       • Barfly 5.1.2.1

         9 September 2018 at 5:47 pm

         Hunting them in bad terrain yeah sure mate – I have a bridge to sell you.

         Being paid for skins I used to lay bait lines the catch was marginal economically but the area I was hunting in showed tons of damage from possums. – So that was a “controlled” area possum trapping won’t take out enough of them to reduce their damage to an acceptable level IMO.
         • weston 5.1.2.1.1

           9 September 2018 at 9:26 pm

           ordinarily trapping is by far the most lethal long term barfly and possums dont really like “bad terrain ” they prefer more open bush and thats where they,ll build the biggest populations .I hunt with two good dogs an a rifle these days its far less cruel and even more effective than trapping .
           • gsays 5.1.2.1.1.1

             9 September 2018 at 10:24 pm

             my nephew owned a good late model ute from pelts and plucked fur before he was 18.

             long weekends staying in huts and bivouac.

             really character and resilience building.

             cant have youngsters doing that.
           • Barfly 5.1.2.1.1.2

             9 September 2018 at 11:48 pm

             I don’t believe you – based on my personal experience
       • greywarshark 5.1.2.2

         9 September 2018 at 6:05 pm

         How can you know weston. You haven’t lived long enough to know what the flora was like before the possums multiplied. Love the fur but shooters and trappers, hunters, are notorious for putting their own interests before
         the forests which are vitally important now in this part of our life-cycle.
         • Barfly 5.1.2.2.1

           9 September 2018 at 7:50 pm

           There are enormous amounts of difficult to access areas bad terrain for a start. As well how the heck does someone work to clear an area a couple of hours walk in? you try carrying 40-50 possum skins for any distance – I tell you they get bloody heavy!!
           • marty mars 5.1.2.2.1.1

             9 September 2018 at 8:41 pm

             + 1 Yep I have rellies who still are possum trappers – hard, hard work.
         • weston 5.1.2.2.2

           9 September 2018 at 9:36 pm

           Sure greywarshark if possums are in big numbers thats a problem just as theres a problem if any animal is in too bigger numbers for its resources but human animals are ones that historically have done the most damage to our forests .By a country mile !!!
     • Janet 5.1.3

       10 September 2018 at 7:15 am

       Barfly ,,,” no viable plan for possum controll because without 1080 there isn’t one.”

       There is …. Look on TDB site – read through the comments following yesterdays 1080 article
   • veutoviper 5.2

     9 September 2018 at 11:20 am

     Maybe not much coverage of the protests, but this just popped up on the RNZ News website –

     https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366035/court-delays-1080-drop-in-the-hunua-ranges

     There are also links to other recent RNZ articles on 1080 to the right of the article.
   • Stephen Doyle 5.3

     9 September 2018 at 11:56 am

     I’ve seen plenty about it.
     1080 or native species, I’ll take the birds every time, thanks.
     • Barfly 5.3.1

       9 September 2018 at 7:53 pm

       Sadly it’s 1080 or possums – which will kill more native birds?
   • Andre 5.4

     9 September 2018 at 12:42 pm

     But, but, fluoroacetate is produced by plants. It’s natural pest control. Because it’s natural it’s gotta be good, right?

     “Fluoroacetate containing plants grow worldwide and cause sudden death in livestock. The southern continents of Africa, Australia and South America are the common locations of these plants. All of the plants containing fluoroacetate belong to the families Fabaceae, Rubiaceae, Bignoniaceae, Malpighiaceae and Dichapetalaceae [11].”

     https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5485738/

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluoroacetate
   • weston 5.5

     9 September 2018 at 2:50 pm

     bills post on the tale of two protests was interesting didnt u think Ngungukai ?
   • JC 5.6

     9 September 2018 at 10:07 pm

     Would suggest they’re much wiser …

     http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/92620150/national-portrait-1080-author-dave-hansford

     http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1809/S00050/maori-environmentalists-and-activists-release-1080-statement.htm
6. Dennis Frank 6

   9 September 2018 at 10:45 am

   TVNZ ran a story on this in last night’s news: ” There’s a mind-boggling amount of trash in the world’s oceans, with much of it collected in five regions known as gyres. On September 8, a group called The Ocean Cleanup plans to deploy a plastic-cleanup system to the largest of those gyres, known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. The system was designed by Boyan Slat, a 24-year-old Dutch innovator.”
   https://www.businessinsider.com.au/boyan-slat-ocean-cleanup-launch-into-pacific-on-september-8-2018-7?r=US&IR=T

   The operation has a website providing this excellent backgrounder: https://www.theoceancleanup.com/great-pacific-garbage-patch/
   And watch the launch live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkC0h1CcHJs
   • greywarshark 6.1

     9 September 2018 at 6:08 pm

     Great news. Bright innovation from the young.
7. greywarshark 7

   9 September 2018 at 11:53 am

   Thomas Paine The Rights of Man – clickbait for political junkies. This a story of challenge, told humorously. Education that takes the pain out of learning.
   

   Another thought – from a helpful bystander.
   This puts the Paine back in learning.
8. marty mars 8

   9 September 2018 at 12:29 pm

   Nice one

   ” “There was nothing wrong with him, he’d just been stuck in an apartment, with no friends around and he’d been vegetating basically.

   “He was an amazing guy who just had such a wealth of knowledge .. all he needed was some male company, some people who he could share his time with. ”

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105961039/the-shed-that-saved-clarrie-merrick
   • Barfly 8.1

     9 September 2018 at 7:55 pm

     Yup great story that one – quite encouraging
9. R.P Mcmurphy 9

   9 September 2018 at 1:55 pm

   read the article on merkin richardson in todays Sunday Magazine. richardson claims he was tired of the Blackcaps but the truth is they had had enough of him.
10. joe90 10

    9 September 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Misanthropy running hot today.

    A global crisis is unfolding. The rapid expansion of development projects on indigenous lands without their consent is driving a drastic increase in violence and legal harassment against Indigenous Peoples.

    I’ve been alerted to hundreds of cases of “criminalization” from nearly every corner of the world. These attacks—whether physical or legal—are an attempt to silence Indigenous Peoples voicing their opposition to projects that threaten their livelihoods and cultures.

    My new report finds a pattern of abuse, with the private sector often colluding with governments to force Indigenous Peoples from their lands by whatever means necessary to make way for infrastructure, agriculture, mining, and extractive projects.

    According to Front Line Defenders, 67 percent of the 312 human rights defenders murdered in 2017 were defending their lands, the environment, or indigenous rights, nearly always in the context of private sector projects. Around 80 percent of killings took place in just four countries: Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, and the Philippines.

    […]

    At the same time that justice systems are wielded as weapons against Indigenous Peoples defending their rights, there is widespread impunity for those who commit violence against Indigenous Peoples.

    ​

    At the root of this global crisis is systematic racism and the failure of governments to recognize and respect indigenous land rights. Indigenous Peoples and local communities customarily own more than 50 percent of the world’s land but only have legally recognized rights to 10 percent. This enables governments to declare them “illegal” on the lands they have lived on and protected for generations.

    https://www.theyshouldhaveknownbetter.com/
    • greywarshark 10.1

      9 September 2018 at 6:39 pm

      Greed of the 10% under the control of the 1%. Western people don’t seem to realise that the Holocaust was just a practice run. Cambodia is not good to look at, and Burma or Myanmar (or more correctly Theirinmar) are in the news.

      Boat people have nowhere to go so remember that the west has trumpeted itself as ‘good clean democracy’ and full of Christian values, for years and find different sorts of sharks in Australian waters. The African movement fleeing over water caused by what? Disagreements over oil and perhaps land where corporates want to grow lettuce for the rich markets out of season or something?
      West Papua occasionally mentioned, they have a copper hole there, the land passed round countries like ‘pass the parcel’, the people treated shamefully.

      What Joe90 has put up is just an indication of the cold, anti-human behaviour of the top people. Roger Douglas and his buddies were just the start. Now we have people in poverty in shacks, people on the streets, corruption and mismanagement and management worship encouraging generic behaviour, which is machine-like so humans and machines can be integrated smoothly.
11. Ad 11

    9 September 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Good God this is a cold spring.

    With Auckland-north excepted, look like we’ll be most of the way through September before any improvement.

    https://www.windy.com/-Temperature-temp?temp,2018-09-18-06,-36.867,174.767,5
    • adam 11.1

      9 September 2018 at 4:19 pm

      Spring will be starting after the Spring Equinox on Sunday the 23rd of September. So in two more weeks.

      It’s still winter.
      • Dennis Frank 11.1.1

        9 September 2018 at 4:31 pm

        Acting in accord with nature rather than convention, rather a green nonconformist kind of behaviour eh? Nicely authoritative too. I like it.
        • adam 11.1.1.1

          9 September 2018 at 10:08 pm

          Sounds like you don’t garden then.
    • Graeme 11.2

      9 September 2018 at 6:04 pm

      Certainly not in Whakatipu. Even though we’ve had frosts every morning for a week we haven’t needed to light a fire, it’s that warm through the day. And kowhais in full flower on a sunny face above Shotover Delta.
12. Jenny 12

    9 September 2018 at 3:24 pm

    ‘

    ‘An Evening with Chelsea Manning’ leaves audience frustrated
    Newshub Staff

    Her Auckland show was ruined by old men using the question-and-answer session to give their opinions, one attendee said….

    Hmmmm

    A very slanted report based around a single negative comment from one attendee, about the question and answer session at the end. But total silence about what was actually said by Manning in the main part of her address. It is telling that no Newshub reporter wanted to put their name to this piece of yellow journalism.

    I also attended this event. And, I can tell you, it was great.

    What shone through for me was Manning’s great humanitarianism.

    Like Edward Snowden, or the Iraqi reporter, Muntadhar Al-Zaidi, who threw a shoe at George Bush. Chelsea Manning is one of the great iconic heroes of our time.

    But it is quite clear that Manning is deeply hated and feared by the establishment, or those with something to hide.

    And with good reason;

    Because, there is a Manning, or a Snowden somewhere inside the DGSB or SIS.

    Chelsea Manning like Eward Snowden is a polymath.
    They are the geniuses the military and the secret services trust to hold all the strings.
    As a child at school Manning could do complicated math in her head. She recalled her teachers, accusing her of cheating, and demanding that she show them her workings. She told them she couldn’t see the point. She said it was easier to do it in my head.

    “Later”, she said, “in the army, I learnt the necessity of showing your workings. It is all about process.”

    When she joined the US army as a data analyst, it was all still done on paper.

    She said, “Literally a felt tip pen, and a big sheet of paper”.

    This was someone who as a teenager had cut her teeth working in an IT start up.

    When a militarised computer data analyst system was finally introduced. They handed it all over to Manning.

    Manning made a joke.
    Saying, “Uh Oh! I knew right then, that I would get into trouble.”

    In her role she saw and knew everything.
    All the Army’s secrets.

    As well as being a math and IT genius Manning also had a didactic memory.

    The detail of the data she had on Iraq was incredible. She knew by name every family in Baghdad, their street address, their profession, their hobbies, whether they might be sympathetic to the resistance to the US occupation, or not.

    As she was being moved from place to place, passing wrecked houses, she knew exactly who had lived in that house, in that street. And also how they had died and who killed them.

    The whole information technology system is reliant on these talented individuals.
    This is its greatest weakness.

    Chelsea Manning was a good soldier, and is still a good soldier.
    She said that America is terrible right now. But despite that she is determined to remain, and has dedicated her life to political activism to make things better.

    As a soldier Manning recounted how she worked 14 hour days straight for weeks without weekends. And said that is just what you do.

    Someone from the audience asked her; “Do you feel that your life is in danger”

    “All our lives are in danger” she replied
    • JC 12.1

      9 September 2018 at 11:58 pm

      Thank You Jenny.

      “The detail of the data she had on Iraq was incredible. She knew by name every family in Baghdad, their street address, their profession, their hobbies, whether they might be sympathetic to the resistance to the US occupation, or not.

      As she was being moved from place to place, passing wrecked houses, she knew exactly who had lived in that house, in that street. And also how they had died and who killed them.

      Someone from the audience asked her; “Do you feel that your life is in danger”

      “All our lives are in danger” she replied.” …..
13. SDCLFC 13

    9 September 2018 at 4:00 pm

    I’m interested in the opportunity Claire Curran’s resignation might provide others and the government.
    A lot of talent came in at the last election, but has to wait it’s turn.
    My worry is that too many of the current lot will get settled in and the new lot won’t get promoted. Curran’s push helps free up at least one place.
    Who do people see possibly ready for an opportunity.
    I’m particularly interested in possible new women cabinet ministers.
    Deborah Russell; Kiri Allan; Ginny Anderson?
    Ultimately it will be 2020 when Labour gets 45% of the vote that will really a big shift in faces, but in the meantime, who do people think the government would benefit from giving an opportunity to?
    • greywarshark 13.1

      9 September 2018 at 7:04 pm

      In some businesses and organisations staff will be circulated throughout the business departments learning stuff on the way and preventing boredom. It may be a way to take people off a repetitive job and give them a real idea of how such work fits into the matrix of the organisation.

      Do the MPs have aides from the List who can become skilled political thinkers and organisers? And then have a chance to caretake a seat that is won by the Opposition, or to stand for a seat themselves.
14. Dennis Frank 14

    9 September 2018 at 4:39 pm

    How leftist entitlement works in Britain: “you get elected candidate for the Labour Party in a safe Labour seat and its assumed its a job for life, for 40 or 50 years,” says Steve Howell, who worked as Labour’s deputy director of political strategy and communications during the 2017 election, and tells the story of it in his book, Game Changer.”

    Taken from a very good review of the Corbyn insurgency, three years after the grass-roots revolt began. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-leadership-antisemitism-election-momentum-a8528811.html

    “He has brought into the party hundreds of thousands of new supporters. In a general election that caught the party somewhat by surprise, he nevertheless managed to win 13 million votes, and gain seats when annihilation was predicted by all. He has also transformed the party into a vast social movement unlike any that has been seen in British politics before.”
    • McFlock 14.1

      9 September 2018 at 5:37 pm

      Career electorate MPs aren’t leftist entitlement, they span all countries with electorate representatives of political parties.

      The number of people looking to become active in local party branches is a tiny proportion of the population, and can become small fiefdoms. The candidate in a safe electorate doesn’t need to persuade the electorate, just the candidate selection committee of their party. And if they win, any party member wanting to take a tilt at the electorate needs to prove they’re better than an already successful candidate.

      In a safe seat, you really need to fuck up hard to lose the job – either piss off the electorate committee (or take it for granted for too long), or otherwise “bug” people, lol.
      • Dennis Frank 14.1.1

        9 September 2018 at 6:49 pm

        Yes, fair point. In case you didn’t get around to checking it out, here’s another interesting bit: “What Momentum has correctly identified is that people who want to be involved in politics don’t necessarily want to be involved in the minutiae of local party organisation, the procedural stuff. And also, people don’t necessarily find that their local party is the place for them. “Manchester Momentum puts on a disco every month,” Ms Parker says. “Bristol Momentum meetings have campaign stalls from every kind of campaign group right across the city. You do not get that from a local Labour Party meeting. We are a bridge to something beyond the party.
        It’s about innovation.”
15. Ad 15

    9 September 2018 at 5:14 pm

    Minister of Housing Phil Twyford announces 10,000 houses to be built in Mt Roskill on existing HNZ land, with no additional funding required from the government.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1809/S00113/thousands-of-new-homes-in-mt-roskill-redevelopment.htm

    This government would get along fine if it kept Ardern, Peters and Twyford and just told everyone else to go home.
    • BM 15.1

      9 September 2018 at 6:02 pm

      This is Labour land, what do the locals think about shoving another 10,000 homes into their community?

      Has Labour canvased the locals? what’s the feedback?

      Personally, if it was me I’d be pretty fucked off having my community trashed and years and years of disruption and annoyance.

      Watch National heavily target Mt Roskill in 2020.
      • Barfly 15.1.1

        9 September 2018 at 8:00 pm

        Where do you house the bloody people that the Nats IMPORTED?
        • Muttonbird 15.1.1.1

          9 September 2018 at 8:04 pm

          Yeah, they are going to love it. BM is so out of touch he thinks everyone in Mt Roskill is a NIMBY like him.
          • Fireblade 15.1.1.1.1

            9 September 2018 at 11:38 pm

            The Nats would sort this out wouldn’t they BM. Don’t build more houses, just build more motorway overpasses. The dirty poor people can sleep under them and Auckland gets more cars and trucks on the roads. It’s a win win in National’s eyes.
        • BM 15.1.1.2

          9 September 2018 at 8:18 pm

          Same place all the bloody people that the Labour IMPORTED
        • Herodotus 15.1.1.3

          9 September 2018 at 9:04 pm

          In the same areas as those people that Labour has imported mmmmm
          https://www.labour.org.nz/immigration
          Without these changes there would be up to 10,000 more houses needed and up to 20,000 more vehicles on our roads annually.
          https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/annual-net-migration-down-7400-from-peak-in-2017
          So with a drop of ONLY 7,400 on last year, only had 13,00 more cars on the road and additional need of 7,000 houses !!!
          Thanks for the successful implementation of last year’s election policy. And we are being told that nz requires additional immigrates to make up for a shortage in the workforce.
          • BM 15.1.1.3.1

            9 September 2018 at 9:40 pm

            I was meaning 1999-2008.
            • Barfly 15.1.1.3.1.1

              9 September 2018 at 11:35 pm

              You total arse hat you know full well that national had a whole new dimension of importing unskilled workers – you know this you useless prick and chose to lie about you vile filthy piece of distended rectum
              (credit to Red Dwarf)
              • Fireblade …

                10 September 2018 at 12:31 am

                BM doesn’t genuinely believe what he wrtes. His/Her comments are designed to be provocative and disagreeable, even when they are clearly irrational and nonsensical. There is a description for this behavior in the DSM-5, which may be helful for BM to understand his/her behavior. (Just some friendly advice).
              • BM …

                10 September 2018 at 8:11 am

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/91921252/net-migration-gain-near-72000-as-arrivals-continue-to-climb

                Check out the graph.

                It’s only the last year or two where it all went a bit crazy and most of that was expats returning from OZ.
16. joe90 16

    9 September 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Moving essay on history, settlers, genocide, epigenetics, and crickets.

    I grew up both knowing and not knowing the pain of my heritage; I was raised to consider myself white, and learned about Native Americans in school. I remember stumbling across nameless familiarities that I could not explain, resonances that did not touch my classmates. In those moments, I recognized my kinship and my history, though I had been told it was not mine. My training as a biologist assures me that there are no memories hidden in my DNA. And yet I feel them.

    http://carte-blanche.org/hiyoge-owisisi-tanga-ita-cricket-egg-stories/
17. marty mars 17

    9 September 2018 at 5:45 pm

    how it is done

    “A loosely-defined network of Russian state actors, state-controlled media, and armies of social media bots and trolls is said to work in unison to spread and amplify multiple narratives and conspiracies around cases like the Skripal poisoning. The goal is no longer to deny or disprove an official version of events, it is to flood the zone with so many competing versions that nothing seems to make sense.

    “What is really striking is that you no longer see the Russian machine pushing a single message, it pushes dozens of messages,” said Ben Nimmo, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who studies Russian disinformation. “The idea is to confuse people.”

    Other theories circulating on Wednesday included a claim that the suspects were British actors, stars of a (non-existent) KGB Spy series broadcast on British television in the 2000s. Another suggested the attempted assassination in Salisbury, and the deaths of other Russian nationals in Britain, were part of an MI6 plot. “Why do all these horrible events only happen in Britain?” asked Andrei Klimov, a Russian member of parliament, on state TV.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45454142
    • joe90 17.1

      9 September 2018 at 5:55 pm

      It’s almost like the Chekists had a plan.

      https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today
      • Poission 17.1.1

        9 September 2018 at 6:39 pm

        The camps, the camps,

        https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1038578895803559942
        • joe90 17.1.1.1

          9 September 2018 at 6:55 pm

          Pretty damned sinister goings on.

          (thread)

          It’s becoming clearer that the mass detentions in Xinjiang are one half of the campaign, while the other is a no-stone-unturned push to investigate overseas Uighurs for potential extremist links. Here’s what our reporting has found (1/x)https://t.co/bxzb7rDqlU pic.twitter.com/fVnT6RAp5p— Eva Dou (@evadou) September 1, 2018

          Uighurs in a number of countries report their passport renewal requests have been denied by Chinese consulates over the past year. They are issued one-time travel documents back to China, with three-month validity. This is what it looks like pic.twitter.com/3lomZzslaB— Eva Dou (@evadou) September 1, 2018

          https://twitter.com/evadou/status/1035687850598002688
    • mauī 17.2

      9 September 2018 at 7:43 pm

      Yes it’s stunning how much damage a single propaganda tv station and the 13 trolls from the troll factory can do.
      • marty mars 17.2.1

        9 September 2018 at 8:31 pm

        Vlad is happy with you.
    • One Two 17.3

      9 September 2018 at 8:00 pm

      That is only one possible strategy, of ‘many’…

      Another, is to direct attention away from the actual provocateurs…

      Requires an understanding of highly technical environments and techniques to begin to understand how that is possible…

      The most ‘powerful’ cyber nations are…

      The most ‘powerful’ media nations/corporations are…

      Look…over there…
      • marty mars 17.3.1

        9 September 2018 at 8:45 pm

        that is just a misdirection

        from what?
        to whom?

        answer those and then we will really see what you know, you know.
        • One Two 17.3.1.1

          9 September 2018 at 8:57 pm

          Misdirection is correct…but I’m not providing the misdirection…

          How will you know what I know if I go into it, Marty ? … Do you understand even basic networking/security models in a commercial sense?

          What about at ‘intelligence’ levels ?

          Read the snowden releases from a few years ago about the technologies that had were made public…

          Keep in mind the nations with the most powerful military and intelligence agencies ‘have tech’…that very few humam beings would have any idea existed…myself included…

          Without a certain level…you can’t even begin to imagine…
          • marty mars 17.3.1.1.1

            9 September 2018 at 9:03 pm

            How will you know that I know what you know? These unanswerable questions are not necessary.

            If you think this is a ‘networking/security’ issue or anything at all to do with ‘security’ then best we just don’t carry on this conversation.
            • One Two 17.3.1.1.1.1

              9 September 2018 at 9:13 pm

              If you had comprehended my comment, you would have understood I don’t think any such thing, Marty ?

              We need a starting point of reference…I made a suggestion…

              Yes it is about technology…it is also about manipulation of the political and media platforms…

              You’ve stated ‘how it’s done’…then gave a bbc opinion piece in support…

              I call BS on that… perhaps you believe ‘how it’s done’…

              Do you?

              Could there be other possibilities in your mind?
              • marty mars …

                9 September 2018 at 9:22 pm

                yes I stated that and put a link up and a quote.

                Disinformation, multiple lies, half truths, innuendo, pretend caring. And then into the deeper dirty tricks, and then deeper…

                the toolbox is full of this shit, and the toolbox is used extensively – in fact disproving anything is a fools game – just create murk, and mud and blood too truth be told.

                the tools to do this range from hu mans to everything else

                now as we are on a public space – say whatever you want or don’t – the space is yours for a moment…
                • One Two …

                  9 September 2018 at 9:33 pm

                  Reads to me like we’re on a similar page with this one, Marty…
                  • marty mars …

                    9 September 2018 at 9:35 pm

                    sounds good…
18. CHCOff 18

    9 September 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Classy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ua7MyGLotI

    NZ’s Jacinda should be involved with this, for any number of good reasons (which means by default is perhaps totally lost by a good portion of the local myopic ruling classes that are pre-eminently political.)
19. joe90 19

    9 September 2018 at 6:31 pm

    The planet’s out to get us.

    A rare and extreme tsunami ripped across an Alaska fjord three years ago after 180 million tons of mountain rock fell into the water, driving a devastating wave that stripped shorelines of trees and reached heights over 600 feet, a large team of scientists documented Thursday.

    The October 2015 cataclysm in Taan Fiord in Southeast Alaska appears to have been the fourth highest tsunami recorded in the past century, and its origins – tied to the retreat of a glacier – suggest it’s the kind of event we may see more of due to a warming climate.

    The new study even bluntly calls it a “a hazard occasioned by climate change.”

    “More such landslides are likely to occur as mountain glaciers continue to shrink and alpine permafrost thaws,” the authors, led by geologist Bretwood Higman of Ground Truth Trekking, write in Nature Scientific Reports.

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/science/2018/09/07/one-of-biggest-tsunamis-ever-recorded-was-set-off-in-alaska-by-a-melting-glacier/
20. greywarshark 20

    9 September 2018 at 6:52 pm

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/sure-you-can-make-it-in-israel-if-your-parents-help-say-economists/

    It seems that Israel is doing the same thing we are. Overcrowding the country beyond its capacities apparently on purpose. Who started that then?

    They are encouraging Jewish immigrants who face a housing shortage, low wages, and a fairly lacklustre economy. Professional people can’t even afford apartments and simply working doesn’t rate. Like us they have become techno-snobs and professionally obsessed and physical work is passe’. Like the USA standard tv joke ‘My son the doctor’ I guess.
21. greywarshark 21

    9 September 2018 at 6:57 pm

    Can I have my euthanasia Bill now please, or in the near future? Is anyone listening to reason out there?

    https://www.newsweek.com/japan-ageing-dementia-caregivers-shortage-621431

    Currently around 2.7 million people suffer from dementia in Japan, but that number is set to rise to around 7.3 million by 2025. Japan has the world’s oldest population, with one in four people over 65.
    • Morrissey 21.1

      9 September 2018 at 7:36 pm

      Euthanasia: THE best way to deal to an aging population. Unquestionably.

      One question though: who will do the killing? Doctors are bound by the Hippocratic Oath, so will it be the Army? A special Police death squad? Perhaps we could bring back the hangman, not employed in this country since 1957….
      • Dennis Frank 21.1.1

        9 September 2018 at 7:46 pm

        News reports seem to have it that it’s normally done by underpaid age-caregivers, at least in some countries. Could be my suspicious mind reading too much into that. As for me, if I was incapacitated by pain I’d take an exit pill for sure. Mind you, if I had Alzheimers as well, I’d keep forgetting to…
        • Gabby 21.1.1.1

          9 September 2018 at 10:04 pm

          Your forgetfulness might be helpfully allowed for franky.
        • Rosemary McDonald 21.1.1.2

          9 September 2018 at 10:23 pm

          You’d be fresh out of luck, chuck.

          Every permutation of assisted dying legislation I’ve seen requires the prospective exiter to be of sound mind.

          Better hope for a magic anti- bewildered pill.
          • Morrissey 21.1.1.2.1

            10 September 2018 at 7:10 am

            “Assisted dying”. That means killing someone.
      • One Two 21.1.2

        9 September 2018 at 8:12 pm

        All so very progressive…

        Problem
        Reaction
        Solution

        Rinse and repeat until the ‘progessives/liberala’ beg for the solution to be implemented…as it was already planned to be…
22. joe90 22

    9 September 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Putin doubles down on his slippery, neo-lib TINA schickt.

    Google's decision to block YouTube ads for @navalny's pension reform protests tomorrow are the 1st time it has complied with Russian requests for political censorship, @leonidvolkov says https://t.co/iZHNF57PIG pic.twitter.com/iv0nW7WCmN— Alec Luhn (@ASLuhn) September 8, 2018

    In a 30-minute speech, Putin diluted the government’s plans, saying the national retirement age for women should be increased from 55 to 60, instead of 63, as previously proposed. “In our country, there is a special, gentle attitude to women,” he said.

    The national retirement age for men, however, would still rise by five years, from 60 to 65.

    The president also said laws should be introduced to make it an offence for employers to fire workers who are approaching pension age, as well as to clamp down on age discrimination in the workplace.

    Putin said he had always been against the “painful” changes to the pension system and reminded Russians that he had pledged in 2005 that there would be no alteration to the age at which Russians can retire and claim a state pension while he was president. But he said “serious demographic problems” meant there was no alternative to the increase, which would represent the first adjustment to national retirement ages established under Joseph Stalin.

    […]

    Putin said a failure to adopt the pension changes would lead to a rise in poverty and catastrophic consequences for the economy, which would leave the government unable to guarantee national security.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/vladimir-putin-russia-pension-reforms-retirement
23. Morrissey 23

    9 September 2018 at 7:32 pm

    Barking Yenta Dame Margaret (Hodge) Tells Packed News Conference: “I Obey My … Uh … I mean… Israel’s Leader: I’m leaving for the Philippines.”
    The Guardian, 5 September 2018

    At a packed news conference, Barking Yenta Margaret Hodge praised Prime Minister Netanyahu’s embrace of Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte.

    She then shocked reporters: “I’m auto-deporting to the Philippines.”

    A reporter asked if she felt safe going there after Duterte said “As long as there are many beautiful women, there will be more rape cases.”

    Acknowledging that she would probably be a prime target (disrespectful guffaws could be heard in the room), the Barking Yenta continued.

    “You see, Duterte visited Yad Vashem, and my family are Holocaust survivors.”

    But as a hush swept over the crowd, a reporter challenged her….

    Read more….

    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/09/06/barking-yenta-dame-margaret-hodge-tells-packed-news-conference-i-obey-my-uh-i-mean-israels-leader-im-leaving-for-the-philippines/
24. corodale 24

    9 September 2018 at 8:40 pm

    US to add 1500 troops to their occupation of Germany.
    While Germany build 9 nuclear weaponed submarines for militant nationalist gangsters in Israel.

    It does me sorrow for the refugees having to pretend they want to integrate. One Iraqi was killed for his cigarettes on the German streets of Chemnitz; causing the lefties to fall-out-of-bed. Where were the lefties and Die Toten Hosen playing as German geo-politics helped take the lives of one million Iraqis?

    https://www.rt.com/newsline/437910-us-military-soldiers-germany/
    https://www.rt.com/news/429547-netanyahu-questioned-submarine-affair/
    Good luck trying to find that news in the Frankfurt censored press.
25. Chris 25

    9 September 2018 at 11:38 pm

    Good to see RWNJs being more honest about their beliefs:

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/sunday-nightcap-290/
26. eco maori 26

    10 September 2018 at 7:47 am

    Good evening Newshub Yaa the start of Maori language week
    I say that people should learn maori language. Why they will learn the facts about OUR history and learn the wrongs that have been forced on to maori. The reason why over half our schools don’t even have any maori curriculum is these old men don’t want the mokopunas to have a positive view of maori there are many thing that our maori tipunas have done that the rest of Papatuanuku Admire .These people would prefer that the MYTH stays with mokopunas reality of . You maori sold your land for (blankets and guns) in reality our land was taken through deceit full tactics that our society frown’s on that bad behavior at the minuet .
    World suicide day that’s cool this need’s to be highlighted as a major problem in our society .
    Nanain Mahuta you handled Duncan really well Mana Wahine .
    Is that your problem Duncan farting or is it what comes out the whatu think of what Eco can do if I had no morels or manners .
    Ka kite ano Mark the reason our sports stadiam are not full is the people have no money to pay for the tickets thats it
27. eco maori 27

    10 September 2018 at 10:26 am

    This is our reality in Aotearoa not just Australia the measures of our prosperity should just have house holds income performance and we should be getting house hold’s confidence as a Gauge of our country’s economic forecast . The power has been taken from the house hold and given to big banks and big business employers . Its the people the people that drive a economy policys should be made to give that Mana back to the people link below .
    Ka kite ano

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/sep/09/big-banks-and-employers-do-what-they-like-because-they-can
28. eco maori 28

    10 September 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Australia new Prime minister is a human caused climate change Green house warming denier he deserves what he gets he carryed a lump of coal into there Parliament and backed the coal industry over his offsprings & mokopunas future Kia kaha to the protesters link is below ka kite ano

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/sep/10/scott-morrison-bill-shorten-coalition-labor-dutton-politics-live
29. eco maori 29

    10 September 2018 at 1:00 pm

    This is how shonky changed the legal frame work from serving te tangata to serving the best interest of the cheats in state services he made legal aid near impossible for the common man to get a fair trial thats a breach of Human rights ka kite ano link is below.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11706555 P.S I went to make a complaint to the police department and what do you know you have to go down load a form and then email it in The un justice system serves the wealthy to rob the poor common person Boycott The ANZ BANK
30. eco maori 30

    10 September 2018 at 4:36 pm

    Eco Maori will see if the state systems work,s I have tryed again to get any lawyer rang 5 and againt the NZ Police have interfered .I will send a complanit to the Ombudsmen and see what happeneds link is below ka kite ano.

    http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources-and-publications/case-notes/official-information-case-notes

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/366005/ombudsman-tackling-increase-in-complaints-about-oia-requests
31. eco maori 31

    10 September 2018 at 6:42 pm

    Good evening Newshub Looks like Greg O Conner has a very low IQ typical.
    Ka pai to Whanganui conical for doing the correct thing including the H in its spelling of Whanganui .
    I back the banning of 1080 poison this a dumb method of pest control by DOC .
    I still have some links for the facts on round up you see the manufactures do the study on there poison so all the facts are skewered to suit the company’s profits who cares about the harm caused to Papatuanuku her creates or humanity.
    Well come Rain Bow Warrior lll thanks for the tou toka of OUR carbon free future of Aotearoa.
    The Kakapo Sir Roko he looks quite cheeky little bird he went off grid for 2 years I will go off Grid Asap .
    With Sweden election results swing to the Far Right show me that they are using the internet to change people’s opinions to suit there snicking into power the left needs to start a campaign on the internet to counter there ——-.
    Ka kite ano
32. eco maori 32

    10 September 2018 at 7:21 pm

    Good evening The Crowd Goes Wild James and Wairangi Discrimination is rife look at how the Wahines Rugby team were treated by there host not very respectful.
    Its was a good game by the Warriors Its a pity that there Australian host have no morels or manners .In the Aotearoa tangata whenua Papatuanuku we treat OUR guest with the utmost respect .
    The Wahine Warriors had a win
    Ka kite ano P.S Wai you mite have to put on a te reo teachers potai

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