Open mike 11/11/09

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1. Winston Smith 1

   11 November 2009 at 7:29 am

   Hone Harawira’s comments that Phil Goff and his mates should be lined up against a wall and shot: sedition or treason?
2. John Dalley 2

   11 November 2009 at 7:31 am

   The power of the people wins. I am referring to the Cadbury’s use of palm oil and their subsequent back down.
   On the TV over the last few days i note an add proclaiming that they have “listened to the public” and have reinstated the level of cocoa and removed the palm oil.
   Translation. We have taken a severe hit in our sales, so bad that we have permanently reduced the price of our Chocolate and replaced the palm oil.
   In this case a victory to the pressure of the public and just shows what can be done if the people take great offence.
   • Tigger 2.1

     11 November 2009 at 8:44 am

     I was really heartened by this turnaround. Cadbury’s were arrogant at first – had no clue anyone would care. Hopefully a wake up call to some other corporates as well – be meaningful in your engagement on environmental issues – the wrong misstep and you’re getting slammed.
   • prism 2.2

     11 November 2009 at 9:49 am

     Can we follow this triumph up with pressure on Fonterra and dairy farmers. They are ‘creaming’ it with good prices and are stocking above their feed capacity over the year. To meet seasonal shortfalls they are importing palm kernel mass for cow feed. This is despite for years we have talked about our clean outdoor healthy grass-fed herds. Also troubling is that insects have been found in the feed. We can’t even check and control things here in NZ so why do we expect developing countries with more difficult conditions to guarantee no hitchhiking bugs or eggs?

     Meanwhile profit takers in various Asian countries clear any land they can get their hands on and put in plantations. The local people are displaced and their water and food sources are destroyed. And the orang utang are helpless against their loss of habitat too. How can Fonterra consider themselves responsible traders and encourage this situation. They can’t and we should tell them and the money-grubbing dairy farmers using the stuff (because its cheaper than other feed). We have seen the Crayfurs, this is the type of dairy speculator, not farmer, that is most behind this.
3. ConorJoe 3

   11 November 2009 at 7:39 am

   sedition or treason?
   try arrogance
   captcha ‘mess’
   • Ron 3.1

     11 November 2009 at 7:41 am

     Good grief – get over it. Goff said he should be fired for playing hooky, Hone said if playing hooky was a firing offence the F&S Bill was a shooting one. Commonly used expression.
     Hone has said nothing that I don’t hear in reverse evreyday at my work and local.
     • Winston Smith 3.1.1

       11 November 2009 at 8:05 am

       Shit Ron that’s pretty revisionist isn’t it???

       Let’s tally the butcher’s bill that Hone’s racked up in the past few days
       * theft as a servant
       * comments that the Race Relations Commissioner describes as rascist and divisive (TVNZ this morning)
       * fomenting sedition/treason
       • Scott 3.1.1.1

         11 November 2009 at 8:38 am

         Winston Smith (what an ironic name), go away and get a law degree. Maybe then you’ll be qualified to determine whether Harawira has committed an offence.
       • felix 3.1.1.2

         11 November 2009 at 9:06 am

         Or at least learn the basics of the English language ffs.
     • prism 3.1.2

       11 November 2009 at 9:51 am

       Hope that we can get a better standard of thought and discussion than occurs in a boozy barn.
4. Tigger 4

   11 November 2009 at 8:50 am

   A sod (no, this is not yet another Rodney or Hone post) has been turned on the cycleway (Scoop’s hilarious byline – PM Does Something). Labour note that Key has gone silent on how many jobs it will create. The Greens on the other hand have used it to push cycle safety. Interesting different approaches for both to take – though I would have preferred the Greens to make their point more clearly. I can’t work out their point – are they saying they want better city cycling routes?
5. Pascal's bookie 5

   11 November 2009 at 9:12 am

   IEA Whistleblower in Oily Peak Leak.

   “The IEA in 2005 was predicting oil supplies could rise as high as 120m barrels a day by 2030 although it was forced to reduce this gradually to 116m and then 105m last year,” said the IEA source, who was unwilling to be identified for fear of reprisals inside the industry. “The 120m figure always was nonsense but even today’s number is much higher than can be justified and the IEA knows this.

   “Many inside the organisation believe that maintaining oil supplies at even 90m to 95m barrels a day would be impossible but there are fears that panic could spread on the financial markets if the figures were brought down further. And the Americans fear the end of oil supremacy because it would threaten their power over access to oil resources,” he added.
   • prism 5.1

     11 November 2009 at 9:55 am

     With the USA isn’t there also a fear of loss of dominance over world finances through the US dollar being standard trading? Is it that if oil states could trade under another standard that would shift power from the US and put up the price of imported oil to them?
     • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1

       11 November 2009 at 12:55 pm

       They should already fear that. The value of the US$ continues to drop as the stimulus packages print more money to hold up uneconomic and delusional businesses. China is already facing the fact that the US$ that they’ve got in reserve aren’t really worth anything and the oil producing countries will, sooner or later, do the same.

       In reality the US$ should have stopped being the “reserve” currency when Nixon dropped the gold standard which was the basis, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, for the US$ to be the reserve currency in the first place.
       • prism 5.1.1.1

         11 November 2009 at 3:54 pm

         So tricky Dicky dropped the gold standard, but was known for having opened dialogue with China. Now China supports the US economy by buying up its bonds so ‘investing’ money into the system which they then repatriate by selling their country’s production to them. What an interesting turn-up for the books, almost a perfect circle. Is this another topic for the conspiracy theorists?
6. prism 6

   11 November 2009 at 9:59 am

   A plaintive cry. Wouldn’t it be good if we could drop naughty, cheeky, provocative, finger-jerking Harawira and turn our smart minds to some of the really important things.
   
   [lprent: There have been a pile of posts on other topics… ]
   • Tigger 6.1

     11 November 2009 at 10:20 am

     I sort of felt that way then realised how many non-Hone and Hide posts there have been in the past week on this site.
     • prism 6.1.1

       11 November 2009 at 3:57 pm

       I guess they keep turning up like a bad smell – hard to get clear air without some fire-breathin’ dragon going on about corruption etc. I was interested in respect I think over all when I got a bit heated.
7. BLiP 7

   11 November 2009 at 2:06 pm

   Barely rating a mention in the MSM is the fact that Mogadon John Key’s aspiration for Kiwi’s wages has become a reality.

   The EMA data also shows that while one in five job positions now has a reduced wage, a further nine percent have had no pay rise – which, given inflation is, in effect, also a pay cut.

   Productivity soars, wages drop, the gap between New Zealand and Australia widens while foreign-owned multi nationals still rip us all off and continue to ship container loads of our hard earned cash off shore.

   So, for those that voted for National Ltd®, how’s the change feeling now? You lovin’ it?
   • felix 7.1

     11 November 2009 at 2:18 pm

     THANKS NATIONAL LTD®, I’M LOVIN’ IT!!!!!
   • Draco T Bastard 7.2

     11 November 2009 at 8:14 pm

     It really is time that we banned foreign ownership of businesses and land in NZ. It’s costing us far too much.
8. Killinginthenameof 8

   11 November 2009 at 3:03 pm

   So last night on TV1 they bailed Hide up on illegally endorsing a companies products as a Cabinet Minister, when asked for comment, he quite intentionally and explicitly endorsed them again on TV. Complete disregard for the rules.

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