And neither did a suggestion yesterday to widen our legislative framework for violence crimes. You know… to shake the tree and deal with its widespread rot. In fact some here couldn’t even stomach looking at the tree https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11-12-2017/#comment-1424699
Nope.
Bill’s right.
The tree is the problem.
And nobody wants to deal with it.
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You want he tree uprooted because shaking won’t fix the fundamental problems don’t you? That was my reading of the post and subsequent comments. Thus shaking the bad apples out is ultimately no point because it doesn’t deal with the problem causing the bad apples.
Something about the comments in that post, that I’ll comment on here since you bring it up, is that the analogy was NZFemme’s. And links were provided back to the context (to show consistency – ie, that I wasn’t taking it out of context)
And it’s an analogy that’s certainly set some people off. But here’s the odd thing. In all of the comments, not one questions NZFemme’s thinking or reasoning behind it. Not one.
But anyway. Systems of oppression recreate themselves. That’s hardly contentious. Simply bringing people to account isn’t pointless – it’s limited, and as Rebecca Solnit points out, problematic.
No-one directed any comment on the analogy at NZFemme – neither directly nor indirectly. I don’t quite know what to make of that. For now, I’ll settle for simply saying “odd”.
What do you even care Pat? You just want to “tend the forest”…maintain the status quo and protect your fucking privilege and social standing in lieu of tackling the underlying and structural contributory factors to women being variously and continually put upon, harassed, assaulted and raped.
That thread, depressing as fuck though many of the comments are, did at least serve to reveal the true colours of a few people.
You made this comment at 8:07am this morning, which I thought I’d responded to an hour or so ago, but it wasn’t there when I just checked so I responded again on the assumption that I’d forgotten to press “submit” (happens occasionally).
But the second one didn’t come up, either. But other comments by me have.
Did you do anything in the backend so I couldn’t respond to the question you asked, or is there something finicky going on on my machine? I apologise if this is not the case, I genuinely don’t know.
I get that experience sometimes too. Then I’ll have a good look at what I’m trying to say and change any words or links that might be triggering some kind of automated rules, and then they go through fine.
there aren’t any keywords sending comments to moderation at the moment, and they wouldn’t go straight to Trash. I think it’s a random bug, it happened a while back too.
IIRC the last time it happened I was using a nickname for the SCROTUS that would have been particularly offensive in the US, not so much in NZ (sorry I don’t remember what it was but it seemed a good one at the time). So I figured maybe WordPress has some filters as well as what’s done locally here.
I’ve just this second checked “trash” and there are two comments from you sitting there.
Both it seems were intended for the “Shaking the Tree” post.
One from 11:40 and another from 10:09.
edit – I don’t have the wherewithal to shift them from there to the post. I can shift them to Open Mike, I can cut/paste and email them to you, you can rewrite along similar lines and try again, or you can know that I’ve read them.
Comment hits trash, then unless it’s a really outstanding comment, it ain’t going to be retrieved by me working my way through those all those bobs and whistles 🙂
a suggestion yesterday to widen our legislative framework for violence crimes
The problem with that suggestion is that you can’t actually say what it is or why it isn’t already covered by existing sections of the Crimes, Summary Offences, or other acts.
When invited to do so you start throwing your toys and accusing other people of being “afraid”.
Are you afraid to suggest which crimes should be added, or which sections of the Crimes Act should be amended? If not, then why can’t you actually just say what you mean?
Many thanks to Ross Taylor for his great achievement and for being a excellent role model for all our mokos. My second youngest granddaughter well I call her hurricane she going through her terrible 2s just going on 3 she would have Santa running out the door many thanks to Our sevens team for there great win Ka pai.
Everyone got big smiles I no I’m human and will tell anyone that at least I can admit to my faults unlike you bullshit bull you would lie and say you don’t do that human think. As for the books I know you cooked you neo liberals can’t help your self but to cheat. Your idea of justice is you imposs it on us poor and give impunity to the wealthy yes poor people of the World don’t be shocked when your justice systems serve you up injustices as THIS IS THE WAY OF OUR WORLD. I will be spending all my Christmas money at The Ware House because they have been good to my family
And have a lot of brown kiwi staff and try and employ the youth. My wife has surgical mesh I was sceptical this shows that big business is in humane and worship there profit over humanity and mother nature this is going to change when we get more Lady’s up the top run on there ladders of life. I wonder if those people are going to carry on passing in the wind Kia kaha
Bullshit bull has cooked the books. That’s why he knows there is no money. I don’t mind not having a tax cut of $20 a week I spend that in my sleep I would rather see our valuerable people have a more humane life. Unlike bull he see the poor as a necessity so business can get there profits and see us as un human Ana to kai
I am solidly with Eco Maori on this one, Bullshit Bill is nothoing but a slmeball lyiong toad, as bad as his boss Shonkey is.
Have no doubt National has set up Labour for a big fall!!!
So Labour; – we need to see what National have left us with.
The deficet National has left the Government purse with must be very large and wider than anyone of us will know at present.
I have no doubt they borrowed more money against future “promised sales of any other assets” they were preparing us all for as they were always acting with secrecy.
Yep they are still pissing in the wind eco says thanks for the Mana and I won’t back down. You no when I said that I tried to dispute those fines well thats not all that story. I tried to make a complaint against the officer he would not give me his name or badge number. I went to there website and it stated that you can get one from the local station you can print a form off the site for ones complaint how many people have axcess to those resources I went to the local station and go the there are no forms we don’t no were they are you don’t need to make a complaint I can print one for you I new I was pissing in the wind so this is how accountable they are under the shonky key bullshit rule for nine years and the 75 years old ass holes running our justice system
No one can make a complaint so there farcical image is perramount PS I try to print it but No could not get the form. Ana to kai
They must sit together all the time to plan there bullshit It would go hay dopey shall we let some fire works of tonight and that will make eco confess to being a savage idiot Maori thief as we no but he have everyone under a spell no snezie we will get that girl to ask him to leave some grass clippings and we can tell everyone that eco is a idiot nar dip shit we will bait one of his relations arrest them and pay them $5000 to sing us a song that will give us the evidence to arrested that evil theif eco Maori the 7 clowns Ana to kai
If they’re going to have child poverty reduction targets, the Government has to show how they’re actually going to achieve them. Otherwise you’re just fooling people.
“There is no indication they’ve got a plan at all. So putting legislation targets will look a bit cynical when there’s actually no plan.”
But he’s not ruling out backing the Government.
“We would come on board if there are some genuine plans to reduce child poverty.
So long as Bill English supports booting state housing tenants from their homes, and running down HNZ’s stock, I do not belive he has any desire to reduce poverty of any kind.
I’m confident they’re opportunistic enough to take a good idea from the Nats, run with it, and claim it as their own. If the Nats had any good ideas, that is. After all, the Nats showed how to do that plenty of times over the last few years.
‘Dairy farming could pollute the water drunk by our grandchildren in years to come as scientists have found waste from intensive North Canterbury agriculture is likely to contaminate aquifers.’
‘Freshwater ecologist Mike Joy has a story for all those cities and towns beset by troubled drinking water standards; the list of which now appears to include Mosgiel.
It’s a story about New York, a city that in the popular imagination doesn’t sleep, but where you can drink the water, day and night.
“They were running out of water and the water quality was poor and so they had two ways forward,” Dr Joy says of the Big Apple’s water headache of 20 years ago.
“They could upgrade the treatment and spend millions and millions of dollars every year on treating stuff or they could go up to the catchment and protect it.”
They chose the latter, bought out livestock farmers, despite a “hue and cry” from some of said pastoralists who proclaimed it the end of the world. Instead of disaster, what has happened is that water quality in the city is now top notch, and within no time at all alternative land uses have sprung up in the catchment, fruit and nuts trees were planted, land values went up as people wanted to live there. And all this from the one-off cost of buying out the livestock farmers.’
About a week ago it was reported that someone sought data from ECan regarding the allocation of water rights, but ECan replied that there was no such record.
Does anyone know who/what/where that response can be found?
(That is appalling if true. They were put there to allocate water rights but don’t have data nearly a decade later???)
Having a look at what was available on google for Canterbury water I found the links below but allocation is tricky, because it is felt that often what is consented is not being drawn on! Sort of difficult and murky this water business.
For the google search Canterbury water statistics I got this (note that google has noted lack of statistics). Water | Environment Canterbury https://www.ecan.govt.nz/your-region/your-environment/water/
We help ensure we have enough good quality water in Canterbury for what we want to do today and in the future.
Missing: statistics
Our Water, Our Vote – News https://www.ourwaterourvote.org.nz/information/
The Selwyn River is “a really raw” example of our mismanagement of water, an Envrionment Canterbury (ECan) councillor told a public meeting … CWMS and ECan in charge = Water pollution out of control in Canterbury …. MAF statistics show farms will remain very profitable by paying 1/100th of a cent per litre of water. Nov 8, 2015
Dairy irrigators CPW gain $8M loan from council despite dairy farmers making a loss
The Selwyn Disdtrict Council (SDC) have used ratepayers money to give CPW an unsecured $8Million loan which will contribute to Canterbury’s freshwater pollution
I seem to remember (probably about a year ago now) something on RNZ (NinetoNoon maybe) about the issue. It also identified ‘problems’ with the actual monitoring of irrigation water use. Something along the lines that new tech meters were still being put in place/remote monitoring et al – in order to get an accurate picture.
Nothing to do with ECan would surprise me.
Thanks Grey and Tim. I think it was about relationships between the level of available water against the rights allocated since ECan came in. Surely there would have to have been a quantity known before allocation, against that which was actually allocated or , as we suspect, over-allocation would happen. ECan were not able to provide evidence one way or the other which is criminal.
Mike Joy is our premier water scientist; – and is the one person the Labour Coalition must place him on their team of specialists to use to sort our worsening water quality crisis.
Here are some facts to help quantify the benefits of using rail as one way to reduce our pollution of our water systems.
An Ernst and Young report for the NZ Transport Agency in 2016 — The Value of Rail in New Zealand — put that value at $1.5 billion. The report was not made public until recently.
A B-train (truck with two trailers) wears out the road 20,000 times more than a car, and we know that the local roading authorities are struggling to keep up with the maintenance on the road. I travel the Gisborne to Napier route often and am fed up with the constant wheel alignments necessary from the potholes and sunken bridges.
Then there are the externalities — the consequences of an economic activity experienced by unrelated third parties: the social and environmental cost of increasing heavy trucks and reducing rail use.
The Ministry of Transport has put the social cost of each road death at $4.5 million, and a crash involving serious injuries at $473,600.
Living near a busy road increases the risk of premature death by 7 percent, increasing the risk of cancer, heart attack, stroke, dementia, childhood diabetes, asthma, allergies etc.
A diesel truck pollutes up to 1000 times more than a car.
One truck tyre sheds 10 times the amount of one car tyre.
Each truck tyre sheds 0.21 g/km of tyre compound (butadiene styrene); that is 5.46 g/km for a 26-wheel vehicle.
Road run-off accounts for 40-50 percent of urban metal contamination to aquatic ecosystems.
It’s not a matter of being anti trucks, it’s about sharing the load. Even the Road Transport Forum chief executive Ken Shirley, as well as local transport operators, are saying they can’t cope with the increasing freight task and may have to turn work away.
Did anyone go to this talk?
Would be interested to hear about it.
By the way, please notice how the Otago Daily Times frames Mike Joy as ‘outspoken.’
This is how the corporate media frame a debate.
‘Outspoken scientist Dr Mike Joy will share his thoughts on the future of food at an open lecture in Dunedin today.
Dr Joy, a senior lecturer in ecology and environmental science at Massey University is speaking in the St David Lecture Theatre from 5.30pm, sponsored by the Centre for Sustainability and Ag@Otago.
Earlier this year, he received the Universities New Zealand inaugural Critic and Conscience of Society Award for drawing attention to water quality in New Zealand’s rivers, lakes and drinking water — and the impact of intensive agriculture.
He intended looking at what he called New Zealand’s nitrogen and fossil fuel ‘‘addiction’’ and covering various topics including disruptions from the likes of artificial and plant-based milk and synthetic meat.’
‘The inaugural Critic and Conscience of Society Award winner and environmental crusader Dr Mike Joy says Wanaka needs to reduce its cow numbers and put a stop to the intensification of the dairy industry if it is to save its waterways.
Dr Joy said a Wanaka vet told him there used to be three cows in Wanaka and he knew them each by name, now there were upwards of 30,000 cows in the area.
“That is the kind of change we’ve had, that is the reality of it, and a lot of Southland cows are being wintered here and they don’t really count in the statistics properly but their s… sure does.”
Dr Joy said the cows were being wintered in Upper Clutha because of the drier climate but the soils around Wanaka were very porous, which allowed pathogens and contaminants to move quickly through the soil and into the waterways. The Massey University academic spoke in Wanaka this week at the invitation of the Lake Wanaka Trust, delivering a public lecture on “The Future of food; our deadly nitrogen and fossil fuel addiction”. In an interview, he said artificial nitrogen made from fossil fuels had allowed cow numbers to double in the past 20 years and quadrupled milk production, but the farmers were not making any more money and the nitrogen was ruining rivers and lowland lakes.’
Mike Joy is ‘outspoken’ and stands out because so many academics are muzzled in some way.
And we are not a modern literate society incorporating a high level of expertise and informed and advanced decision making and implementation. Preventing that is the simple message over the gateway ‘This is where the biggest bucks are made’. And so we keep following what we did before until the above proves incorrect. Mike Joy has to be outspoken because no-one wants to hear until the ‘big bucks’ premise proves on the financial schedules to be wrong.
In an interview, he said artificial nitrogen made from fossil fuels had allowed cow numbers to double in the past 20 years and quadrupled milk production, but the farmers were not making any more money and the nitrogen was ruining rivers and lowland lakes.’
My exemplar for being ignored and prevented from ethical action by the established organisation to the point of being killed is Semmelweis. He found by experiment that he could prevent deaths of new mothers, and drastically cut deaths in one area of the hospital. But he was not allowed to change a system that had always been followed. It ended with him being held in an asylum, and dying after a fight with a guard, probably fairly brutal. The establishment then, (and all establishments have the same tendencies), would go that far so as not to rock their personal boats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
….fails to provide a link to this document but does reference where it has been mentioned. A couple of references link to The Standard…occasions where I have cited this document. I am pretty sure I would have included the hyperlink…but they are not there anymore.
Neither the Mystery of Health or ACC websites have this document in their archives. I did message ‘Darryl’ the IT helpelf on the ACC website.
This is the second time a document that I reference fairly regularly has disappeared from the interweb.
I have the pdf file on my geriatric hard drive and I do backups fairly regularly and I have a hard copy…but it would be really, really useful to be able to link when I am referencing this very significant piece of work.
That is the Action Plan, which references the Situation Analysis Paper.
The Action Plan is the usual happy clappy ‘we’re all over this shit’ glossy publication so loved by the Misery of Health. I guess it makes it look like they’re doing enough to justify their high salaries.
The Situation Analysis Paper, on the other hand, is 88 pages of solid information gathered by UMR and presented in such a format that ACC and the Miserly could only produce a similarly solid Action Plan…oh, that’s right…
Thanks weka…see reply to Carolyn_nth above re the Action Plan.
Did you try downloading the SitAnal (my shorthand from now on… 😉 ) from docplayer?
I did a couple of clicks, then this scary American voice erupted from the screen so I aborted.
I’ll repeat..this is a very significant piece of work, paid for by us, that very accurately describes, well, the Situation for those with spinal cord impairment in New Zealand.
I started the download process and then backed away slowly 😉
For the exact title in quotation marks I only got 3 hits, which makes me wonder if the title isn’t quite right. Presumably when it was originally published online it would have been linked to so there should still be links to it turning up in google even if they are now broken.
Do you have the original URL where you got your old electronic copy from? If so*, try putting it into this,
Okay…in words of no more that three syllables…can someone explain the what and why of this ‘wayback’ thing….?
This is not an old document and it is referenced in the most recent SCI Action Plan (for its many sins)..so how come it has gone from the acc and moh sites and been consigned to what looks like cyberia?
The Internet Archive, aka The Wayback Machine, trawls the internet and archives every webpage it can find. It will archive multiple versions of a webpage over time.
So if someone removes a page from their website, often (although not always) one can find a copy in the archive if one has the original URL.
Some websites prevent the Internet Archive from trawling them, and so they don’t get archived.
It looks to me like ACC have removed the PDF from their website entirely. That’s nothing to do with the Internet Archive, who would have made copies before it was removed.
I also did a google advanced by site search of acc.co.nz using various keywords from the title and URL and go nothing, so it looks to me like it’s been completely removed from ACC’s website (not just a broken link). If you can bring yourself to do it, might be worth phoning the relevant department within ACC and pointing out its importance. Or emailing them and CCing in the new Minister.
Hah! I did just that with the other document that disappeared when the National Advisory Council for the Employment of Women’s archive was transferred from the defunct Department of Labour to the new Ministry of Women. The young lassie on the phone spoke like the documents were loaded onto trolleys for the Big Move and that one…just that one mind, blew away in the Welly wind.
I sent them a copy of the pdf…I should go check if its still there….
Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier has backed the Government’s refusal to release a 33-page coalition document, saying in a provisional ruling he is satisfied it has not played a role in policy decisions.
…
He said he would consider any comments on the provisional opinion before forming a final opinion. Newsroom has made further submissions to the Ombudsman, arguing for the document’s release.
A spokeswoman for Ardern said she could not comment until Boshier’s final opinion was released.
Hi folks. Can anyone hep me out with a technical issue? I can’t find a way to embed links when I’m commenting. I use Google Chrome as my browser. The only advice I can find is out of date, referring to a “wrench” icon and a function that doesn’t appear in any obvious way for the newer icon – the stack of 3 vertical dots – that replaced it.
There is no short cut for those of us who are not authors as far as I know.
I do it manually as described here
Once you get the hang of it, it’s not so hard.
I use Safari Firefox and Chrome at different times as I feel the need and they are basically all the same from a commenting point of view – at least on mac OS
I never knew there was a short and easy way to do it from Chrome. Unless I’m signed in (when I have access to some short-cuts) I’m reduced to the following from FAQ.
So, if I want to link to the Colin James article in the ODT today about politician of the year I do this?
Can I just feed back to the site managers that this didn’t work when I followed the advice from TS (which said to use single quote marks), but did when I followed Carolyn_Nth’s advice and used double quote marks? Thanks C_N.
I try using the HTML Tags helpfully supplied…but no joy.
I have no problems over on Public Address…and produce some tidy cooments and the odd post.
I am using an old Compaq Pressario, running on Vista and also google chrome…although the header tells me otherwise….I suspect this is the cause of my problem.
Having said that…I am not exactly technosavvy…
I am still awestruck, occasionally, when stuff actually works.
BM, the Nat’s have increased their party preference by 3%, Labour by 6% (comparing election outcome to the latest CB). Not a huge bounce, but certainly nothing to be dejected about.
With the Ombudsman backing the Prime Minister, all those crap stories about secrecy vanish … like tears in the rain.
Boshier was a good judge, and was quite clear in the RNZ interview last week that he is nobody’s fool. Both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister were right.
Do you think Peters was having a senior moment when he said
“a document of precision in various areas of policy commitment and development.
These are directives to ministers with accountability and media strategies to ensure that the coalition works
I think he was misspeaking, yes. Look at the whole statement, he says the goal is to make sure the coalition works – it’s a working document, setting out issues for the two parties to develop and work on. Put another way, it’s notes from a developing discussion, held over a period of time. That’s quite different from a coalition agreement or a formal policy document (which records decisions made and agreements arrived at).
I await with interest any comments from people who complained about John Key using the line that he did some things as Leader of the National Party rather than as PM.
Now that Jacinda Ardern has used the same defence I can only assume that they will.
1) Apologise to Mr Key
or
2) Complain about Ms Ardern’s actions.
Otherwise the people concerned will be shown up as hypocrites.
I wonder who will be first?
Really?
Then why did the chief Ombudsman end up saying, about the material you are referring to, that
“On this point the Ombudsmen have accepted the view of the Prime Minister’s Office with Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier’s view that the threshold for him to check the communications in question has not been met.”
In other words he had exactly the same opinion then as now
Felix Marwick didn’t take it at all kindly. He claimed then that obviously Key had something to hide.
“The other thing you can deduce from a three year battle over access to correspondence is that the most senior politician in the land probably had something to hide. ”
I expect him to say that Ardern must have something to hide also.
Either that or apologise to Key and I don’t think he will do that. http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/felix-marwick-no-sunlight-no-disinfectant-political-machinations-remain-behind-the-veil/
Should you be apologising to Mr Key or did you not complain about the episode that now seems to get you excited?
Why? When did Key ever get the Ombudsman’s clearance for his prevarications, one of which Ardern has cunningly mimicked in getting formal exoneration?
(And by the way, if you can quote such a case, you open yourself up to the “But National did it too!” argument, a tactic hugely overused and abused by the previous Govt who screamed ‘Labour did it too!’ no matter how incongruous the events had been.)
Seems like all these National trollls believe anything their leaders tell them without question, so we will never see “their coalition negotiation papers” as dv asked for eh?
If you can make a reasonable argument that notes on coalition agreements made before either party leader became prime minister were in fact noted as part of the role of Prime Minister, feel free.
Maybe the same argument could be made that Ardern’s essays for school cert were written in her capacity of being Prime Minister, if that’s how job descriptions take effect in the parallel toryverse you are communicating from.
As for ministerial services employees acting as partisan activists – in that case someone’s fucked up somewhere and should have been kicked to the kerb. Didn’t a MS employee find other employment shortly after the book was published?
one fruit of the rotten tree that we dare not talk about
spoils of war
or maybe the banality of accepted rape to assuage men who are driven by bloodlust and ‘maybe watched some of theirs die’ and now must find a relieve valve or other some assorted bullshit so that we don’t need to be honest as to what is done to women in war
just three examples from this year. This is how common, how accepted, how permitted rape is in order to subjugate, dominate, and defeat a people/race/religion etc etc.
And this is what rape is in general. No waxing lyrically about how it must be a psychosis, a mental illness, a disease, a sin from satan, and not simply the fact that some will use it as a tool to subjugate others into obedience until they cower in fear and do as they are told to.
A tiny step in the right direction. Last year a Congolese warlord was found guilty of war crimes in the ICC holding him accountable for rapes committed by his troops.
At last some realistic discussion around (one) implication of CC…let us hope Newsroom’s article will start widespread coverage of an effect that may force some public demand for reducing carbon emissions.
Horrible rich pricks think they can do anything and get away with it.
The world watches in fascinated horror every day as the zomboid version of Richie Rich creates havoc in the White House and beyond.
But stupid rich men out of control is not a phenomenon limited to that beleaguered republic. Yesterday New Zealanders became aware of the massive sense of entitlement by one unfeasibly wealthy git who wants to be able to fly his helicopter AT ANY TIME in a city neighbourhood. He’s not some surgeon on call, or anything useful like that; he wants to fly himself and his rich “friends” to golf games, not drive or bus there like the rest of us oiks.
Ten years ago, another rich prick with a similar sub-zero level of awareness walked around Porirua, attempting to curry favour with the locals. That was an unwise move on his part….
He’s been a good friend of mine for going on 30 years… no matter how pissed off he would have been with JK/Nats, he’s respectful enough to not stoop to doing stupid stuff like that.
If we could all have discussions in that manner, we’d all be in a much better place.
* i’m as guilty as anyone sometimes, at doing stupid stuff 🙂
“A man who saw red when he discovered a text between a friend and his wife, declaring their undying love for each other, has been discharged without conviction on charges of assaulting the man, the defendant’s wife, and one of his children in Queenstown this year.
In the Queenstown District Court yesterday Judge John Brandts-Giesen said it was a “nasty assault”, but had to be seen in context.
“Really, this is a situation that does your wife no credit and does the [male] no
credit.”
Judge Brandts-Giesen said the man assaulted the friend and a struggle ensued. When the defendant’s daughter tried to separate the pair, the defendant grabbed her by the throat, pushed her down and held her there.
When the defendant’s wife intervened, he kicked her in the ribs, causing her to fall backwards.
The male complainant suffered scratches, and the defendant’s daughter’s neck was bruised.
Judge Brandts-Giesen said the 58-year-old, who did not recollect hurting his wife and daughter, had never been before the court.
“There would be many people who would have done exactly what you did, even though it may be against the law to do so.
“I consider that the consequences of a conviction are out of all proportion to what happened on this occasion.””
if it bleeds its a women no matter the age – maybe a disclaimer is added ‘young women’ cause responsibility for women and their actions starts when they can get pregnant but men? Oh my, so many excuses…….boys will be boys, or as in this particular case a ‘crime of passion’
“Otago Lakes Central Area Commander Inspector Olaf Jensen could not comment specifically on the case.
However, he confirmed that police were looking closely at the sentencing decision.
“We are reviewing the decision, but at this stage aren’t in a position to comment further,” he said.
Auckland barrister and spokeswoman for the Auckland Coalition for the Safety of Women and Children Catriona MacLennan said called for Judge Brandts-Giesen to step down from his role.
“”It is inappropriate for Judge Brandts-Giesen to continue sitting on the bench,” she told the Herald.
“His reported comments and the sentence imposed display a complete lack of understanding of domestic violence.
“He victim blames and minimises assaults on three people.””
Meat tax ‘inevitable’ to beat climate and health crises, says report
‘“Sin taxes” on meat to reduce its huge impact on climate change and human health look inevitable, according to analysts for investors managing more than $4tn of assets.
The global livestock industry causes 15% of all global greenhouse gas emissions and meat consumption is rising around the world, but dangerous climate change cannot be avoided unless this is radically curbed. Furthermore, many people already eat far too much meat, seriously damaging their health and incurring huge costs. Livestock also drive other problems, such as water pollution and antibiotic resistance.
A new analysis from the investor network Farm Animal Investment Risk and Return (Fairr) Initiative argues that meat is therefore now following the same path as tobacco, carbon emissions and sugar towards a sin tax, a levy on harmful products to cut consumption. Meat taxes have already been discussed in parliaments in Germany, Denmark and Sweden, the analysis points out, and China’s government has cut its recommended maximum meat consumption by 45% in 2016.
“If policymakers are to cover the true cost of human epidemics like obesity, diabetes and cancer, and livestock epidemics like avian flu, while also tackling the twin challenges of climate change and antibiotic resistance, then a shift from subsidisation to taxation of the meat industry looks inevitable,” said Jeremy Coller, the founder of Fairr and the chief investment officer at the private equity firm Coller Capital. “Far-sighted investors should plan ahead for this day.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders addresses allegations of sexual conduct against President Trump:"The American people knew this and voted for the president, and we feel like we're ready to move forward" pic.twitter.com/Oj7NHOcV9o— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) December 11, 2017
Either the Dems and the media and the entire feminist enterprise against sexual harrassment was beaten just as Hillary Clinton was (if the Dems lose), …
…Or…
… the Dems win and a great turning point has been reached which vindicates the media classes hunting sexual predators and feminism stands to fight another day in America, and Breitbart and the rest of patriarchy is sorely wounded.
1. Citizen suits aimed at potential voting machine tampering have preceded some major Dem election victories, including Obama 08 & 2012. The most recent aims at defendant Alabama SOS's plan 2 destroy the ballot images that can detect hacking. The plaintiffs just won a TRO! Thread— Jennifer Cohn (@jennycohn1) December 11, 2017
Preliminary injunction ordering all #Alabama counties to save "ALL PROCESSED IMAGES in order to preserve all digital ballot images" scanned by vote counting machines. Full hearing set for Dec 21. #AlabamaSenateRacepic.twitter.com/6PJGsyULMv— Greg Palast (@Greg_Palast) December 11, 2017
No, “redneck” would NOT be a better title for a bigot.
“Redneck” is the contemptuous term for working people used by Democratic Party mandarins in the 1970s to condemn the working people who voted for Nixon. It’s been thoughtlessly recycled over the years, and was enthusiastically used by Clintonistas and Hopey-Changey cultists to besmirch white working people who they believed should vote for them by divine right.
Think about who the most bigoted, racist, outrageous hatemongers in this country are: Don Brash, Jamie “Lock Up His Sisters” Whyte, Mike Hosking, Leighton Smith, Cameron “Whalefat” Slater, John Ansell, Garth “The Knife” McVicar. Only the last-named qualifies as a redneck, as he has actually done some physical work in his life.
My grandfathers and my uncles all worked hard on farms and in factories, and they often got sunburned, including on their necks. They were and are rednecks, just like the hardworking men and women in the United States are. But I’ve never, ever heard any of them utter the brutal and heartless and ignorant rhetoric that we are inflicted with every day from comfortable, sedentary, white-collared, white-necked people like Brash and co.
Disagree. Meanings of words change over time, and Morrisey’s nostalgia for the original meaning is now misplaced. Most people know quite well what most of us mean by Redneck, and while I sympathise a bit with Morrisey wanting to stick to the original meaning, I think it is far too late. That original meaning is now archaic.
“Historical Scottish Covenanter usage
In Scotland in the 1640s, the Covenanters rejected rule by bishops, often signing manifestos using their own blood. Some wore red cloth around their neck to signify their position, and were called rednecks by the Scottish ruling class to denote that they were the rebels in what came to be known as The Bishop’s War that preceded the rise of Cromwell.[25][26] Eventually, the term began to mean simply “Presbyterian”, especially in communities along the Scottish border. Because of the large number of Scottish immigrants in the pre-revolutionary American South, some historians have suggested that this may be the origin of the term in the United States.[27]
Dictionaries document the earliest American citation of the term’s use for Presbyterians in 1830, as “a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians of Fayetteville [North Carolina]”.[14][26]
Roman Catholics
In Northern England in the 19th and 20th centuries, Roman Catholics were also known as rednecks.[28]
South Africa
The exact Afrikaans equivalent, rooinek, is used as a disparaging term for English people and South Africans of English descent, in reference to their supposed naïveté as later arrivals in the region in failing to protect themselves from the sun.[29]”
I guess i am a redneck, being roman catholic and all 🙂
Bitcoin is in the “mania” phase, with some people even borrowing money to get in on the action, securities regulator Joseph Borg told CNBC on Monday.
“We’ve seen mortgages being taken out to buy bitcoin. … People do credit cards, equity lines,” said Borg, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association, a voluntary organization devoted to investor protection. Borg is also director of the Alabama Securities Commission.
As a commentator has since written on facebook, it is bad enough they take our water now they flout the laws of the land, the next step they taking our country completely from us
‘It’s just so dangerous’: Squalid conditions reported at water bottling plant.
‘One of the plants, owned by China-based Cloud Ocean Water, is being built in what used to be the Kaputone Wool Scour, which closed in 2015.
The company is associated with the Ling Hai Group, which has winery interests in New Zealand and links to a Chinese sugar giant.
Cloud Ocean Water director Feng Liang said he was “unable to comment” on the investigations. When asked to respond to specific allegations about the alleged workplace practices, he again declined to comment.
The site’s resource consent allows it to take 4.3 million litres a day, the equivalent daily usage of around 12,000 people.
Some 46 consecutive dry days in Christchurch have beaten a record set in 1954. The city council has urged residents to conserve water, recommending residents do not water their lawns.
Cloud Ocean Water Limited was registered on 21 Mar 2017 and issued an NZBN of 9429046014665. The registered LTD company has been run by 2 directors: Feng Liang – an active director whose contract began on 21 Mar 2017,
Zongren Ling – an active director whose contract began on 21 Mar 2017.
A total of 10000 shares are allotted to 2 groups (2 shareholders in total). As far as the first group is concerned, 2300 shares are held by 1 entity, namely:
Hairong Ling (an individual) located at Lin Yi.
The second group consists of 1 shareholder, holds 77% shares (exactly 7700 shares) and includes Ling Hai Group Limited. Cloud Ocean Water Limited is categorised as “Mineral water manufacturing” (business classification C121140).
Marlborough’s Castlebrae farm has been sold by longtime owners the Marfell family to a Chinese-owned company.
A decision, published by the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) yesterday, said the Ling Hai Group, a company owned by Zongren Ling and family from China, had been approved to buy 100 per cent of the Castlebrae farm.
The farm, about 741 hectares of land at Renners and Castles roads in the Awatere Valley, running down to the sea, was owned by brothers Geoff and David Marfell and Castlebrae Vineyards.
The sale price was withheld for commercial sensitivity reasons.
The OIO decision said Ling Hai Group intended to my textacquire the land as part of its long-term investment in the New Zealand wine and tourism industry.
Ling Hai Group is based at a residential address in Glenfield in Auckland. Its owner, Zongren Ling, lives in China.
Ling Hai lawyer Andrew Petersen, of law firm Bell Gully, was not available for comment yesterday. Geoff and David Marfell did not return calls either.
More…..
Here is detail of the purchase of the water bottling plant.
‘Cloud Ocean Water, which is registered to manufacture mineral water, is majority-owned by the China-based Ling Hai Group.
The Canterbury Regional Council said the consent, which was transferred to Cloud Ocean Water earlier this month, did allow for bottling.
Councillor Rod Cullinane said it was concerning the water could be exported for profit – yet the company would face no charges for the consent, other than covering the council’s monitoring costs.
The Kaputone Wool Scour was granted the water consent for its site on Station Road in 1997.
Mr Cullinane said it had little power to stop the water now being used for an entirely different purpose, because the consent had already been granted.
If you want to track how much of New Zealand and its assets have been sold to foreign interests, I recommend this as a starting point.
For example, here are June 2017’s decisions.
Global investors buy up half of 2Degrees
Suncorp/Vero buys up rest of Tower Insurance
Bathurst buys forest land to mine more coal
Caltex Australia buys Gull NZ
Goodman Properties (Australia) buys industrial estate in Henderson US apple orchardists expand in South Canterbury
T&G ( Germany, China)buys land for apples in Havelock North US apple orchardists expand in South Canterbury Chinese buy Bowron tannery, Christchurch; Japanese buy more forestry land in Northland
Latifundium (Liechtenstein, Germany? ) buys Wairarapa forests Swiss capital moves to the East Coast Australian restructures Whatatutu farmland, Gisborne; Mangakino heifer farm restructures
‘Oxford dairy farm sold to overseas interests for $18.2m
The overseas-owned company, Craigmore Dairy II LP, is part of the wider Craigmore Farming Group, founded by farm financier Forbes Elworthy, son of the late Sir Peter Elworthy.
‘Elworthy also obtained an MBA from Harvard University and became involved in financing.
He and partner Mark Cox set up a series of farm owning companies under the name Craigmore and promoted them to investors in New Zealand and overseas.
They include dairy, grazing and horticultural farms spread over 15,000 hectares, with a similar number of cows, and some of the largest recent dairy conversions in South Canterbury.’
This adds to the farms Carigmore bought in 2014
‘The three farms west of Oamaru – Arnmore (328 hectares), Windsor (428ha) and Waiareka (403ha) – have been bought by Craigmore Sustainables, which acts as a fund manager for the Craigmore Farming Partnership and the Craigmore Forestry Fund.’ http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9637560/Craigmore-buys-three-farms
Elworthy family fronts foreign investors buying kiwifruit orchards
South Canterbury’s Elworthy family heads a multi-national syndicate which has bought 17.5 hectares of kiwifruit orchards in Te Puke.
Craigmore Permanent Crop Limited Partnership is a mini-United Nations of German, Hong Kong, Swiss, British, Finnish, American and New Zealand investors which has been given the green light by the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) to buy the Hayward and kiwiberry orchards.
The parent company is Craigmore Sustainables, established in 2008 by businessmen and farmers, Forbes Elworthy and Mark Cox, and which has investments in dairy farms, apples, wine, and forestry.
Elworthy and his wife Bridget divide their time between the family property Craigmore in South Canterbury, and Wardington Manor in Oxfordshire. The couple were valued at $55 million on the latest Rich List; he is the son of Sir Peter Elworthy, a former Federated Farmers president.
Outfits called Pareora Dairy Limited and Somerset Dairy Limited sold 500ha at Pareora River Road to a partnership consisting of the UK, Irish, continental European and Scandinavian public (74 per cent).
The other deal is the sale of a 306ha beef and sheep farm at Rakaia Terrace Road, Hororata, owned by the Inch family trust.
The buyer is Southern Pastures Limited Partnership which is owned by interests from Sweden (58%), Luxembourg (22%), New Zealand (2.5%) and various (17.5%)
The ‘Truckometer’
(RNZ Bizzniss News at 17:30 on Checkpoint)
Sounds like something ANZ’s former? Chief ‘economist’ (Someone Buggery) dreamed up.
I wonder if it includes the trucking ‘fundamentals’ going forward. Or merely traffic volumes without the full range of costs.
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Bill wants to shake the tree which is rotten and keeps producing bad apples .. https://thestandard.org.nz/shaking-the-tree/
Suggestions elsewhere that the tree has rot didn’t seem to be viewed favourably https://thestandard.org.nz/people-of-the-year/#comment-1423681 It appears the view here is that the bad apples are the fault of the apples and not the tree
And neither did a suggestion yesterday to widen our legislative framework for violence crimes. You know… to shake the tree and deal with its widespread rot. In fact some here couldn’t even stomach looking at the tree https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11-12-2017/#comment-1424699
Nope.
Bill’s right.
The tree is the problem.
And nobody wants to deal with it.
[1 week ban for blatantly lying about my moderation and views and for not responding to moderation when requested. For future reference, if you want to comment on gender I suggest you start being direct and clear about what you think and stop making shit up about other people’s views. This includes backing up your arguments in the ways outlined in that moderation. – weka]
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Except if you read Bill’s post you will understand that he believes ‘shaking the tree’ is pointless…may pay to read it again.
“We had to destroy Ben Tre in order to save it”
http://www.nhe.net/BenTreVietnam/
or if you wish to stick with forest analogies, shall we fire up the chainsaws to rid ourselves of Phytophthora Agathidicida?
http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/threats-and-impacts-/kauri-dieback-disease-help-protect-the-kings-our-forest
Maybe you should re-read it yourself Pat. Limited and/or problematic is not the same as pointless.
You want he tree uprooted because shaking won’t fix the fundamental problems don’t you? That was my reading of the post and subsequent comments. Thus shaking the bad apples out is ultimately no point because it doesn’t deal with the problem causing the bad apples.
Something about the comments in that post, that I’ll comment on here since you bring it up, is that the analogy was NZFemme’s. And links were provided back to the context (to show consistency – ie, that I wasn’t taking it out of context)
And it’s an analogy that’s certainly set some people off. But here’s the odd thing. In all of the comments, not one questions NZFemme’s thinking or reasoning behind it. Not one.
But anyway. Systems of oppression recreate themselves. That’s hardly contentious. Simply bringing people to account isn’t pointless – it’s limited, and as Rebecca Solnit points out, problematic.
It seemed a few people wondered about uprooting the tree to me but I may have it wrong I spose.
No-one directed any comment on the analogy at NZFemme – neither directly nor indirectly. I don’t quite know what to make of that. For now, I’ll settle for simply saying “odd”.
“Nothing of substance or note is ever meant to change. And nothing of substance or note will change.”
https://thestandard.org.nz/shaking-the-tree/
You didnt intend to imply pointlessness?….,my mistake.
What do you even care Pat? You just want to “tend the forest”…maintain the status quo and protect your fucking privilege and social standing in lieu of tackling the underlying and structural contributory factors to women being variously and continually put upon, harassed, assaulted and raped.
That thread, depressing as fuck though many of the comments are, did at least serve to reveal the true colours of a few people.
Thanks Bill…and you’re welcome
Pretty harsh analysis there bill imo
Serious question, Bill:
You made this comment at 8:07am this morning, which I thought I’d responded to an hour or so ago, but it wasn’t there when I just checked so I responded again on the assumption that I’d forgotten to press “submit” (happens occasionally).
But the second one didn’t come up, either. But other comments by me have.
Did you do anything in the backend so I couldn’t respond to the question you asked, or is there something finicky going on on my machine? I apologise if this is not the case, I genuinely don’t know.
I get that experience sometimes too. Then I’ll have a good look at what I’m trying to say and change any words or links that might be triggering some kind of automated rules, and then they go through fine.
there aren’t any keywords sending comments to moderation at the moment, and they wouldn’t go straight to Trash. I think it’s a random bug, it happened a while back too.
IIRC the last time it happened I was using a nickname for the SCROTUS that would have been particularly offensive in the US, not so much in NZ (sorry I don’t remember what it was but it seemed a good one at the time). So I figured maybe WordPress has some filters as well as what’s done locally here.
I haven’t touched any of your comments McFlock.
I’ve just this second checked “trash” and there are two comments from you sitting there.
Both it seems were intended for the “Shaking the Tree” post.
One from 11:40 and another from 10:09.
edit – I don’t have the wherewithal to shift them from there to the post. I can shift them to Open Mike, I can cut/paste and email them to you, you can rewrite along similar lines and try again, or you can know that I’ve read them.
I found a way of putting it back in the right place (will make a note of how in the back end).
McFlock, you should see them both there shortly.
That would be being a fucking palaver that would!
Comment hits trash, then unless it’s a really outstanding comment, it ain’t going to be retrieved by me working my way through those all those bobs and whistles 🙂
But yeah. Good to know.
I completely agree!
Thanks for the great effort, bill and weka, in all you two are doing front and back.
Cheers for that, Bill and Weka.
Weird. Apparently I found out how to break things in a new and interesting way. It was before my coffee, though 🙂
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12-12-2017/#comment-1425237
a suggestion yesterday to widen our legislative framework for violence crimes
The problem with that suggestion is that you can’t actually say what it is or why it isn’t already covered by existing sections of the Crimes, Summary Offences, or other acts.
When invited to do so you start throwing your toys and accusing other people of being “afraid”.
Are you afraid to suggest which crimes should be added, or which sections of the Crimes Act should be amended? If not, then why can’t you actually just say what you mean?
some here couldn’t even stomach looking
That is a blatantly false assertion.
I note that the Dunedin study’s sample group is 1003, and Professor Fergusson’s caveat on that basis.
Yes, your very own source – the study’s author – undermines your conclusion.
Many thanks to Ross Taylor for his great achievement and for being a excellent role model for all our mokos. My second youngest granddaughter well I call her hurricane she going through her terrible 2s just going on 3 she would have Santa running out the door many thanks to Our sevens team for there great win Ka pai.
Everyone got big smiles I no I’m human and will tell anyone that at least I can admit to my faults unlike you bullshit bull you would lie and say you don’t do that human think. As for the books I know you cooked you neo liberals can’t help your self but to cheat. Your idea of justice is you imposs it on us poor and give impunity to the wealthy yes poor people of the World don’t be shocked when your justice systems serve you up injustices as THIS IS THE WAY OF OUR WORLD. I will be spending all my Christmas money at The Ware House because they have been good to my family
And have a lot of brown kiwi staff and try and employ the youth. My wife has surgical mesh I was sceptical this shows that big business is in humane and worship there profit over humanity and mother nature this is going to change when we get more Lady’s up the top run on there ladders of life. I wonder if those people are going to carry on passing in the wind Kia kaha
Ross Taylor has been the only player in the NZ Cricket Team to actually pull his weight.
Well I will say that most big businesses act under humanly just like OUR justice systems Ana to kai
Bullshit bull has cooked the books. That’s why he knows there is no money. I don’t mind not having a tax cut of $20 a week I spend that in my sleep I would rather see our valuerable people have a more humane life. Unlike bull he see the poor as a necessity so business can get there profits and see us as un human Ana to kai
I am solidly with Eco Maori on this one, Bullshit Bill is nothoing but a slmeball lyiong toad, as bad as his boss Shonkey is.
Have no doubt National has set up Labour for a big fall!!!
So Labour; – we need to see what National have left us with.
The deficet National has left the Government purse with must be very large and wider than anyone of us will know at present.
I have no doubt they borrowed more money against future “promised sales of any other assets” they were preparing us all for as they were always acting with secrecy.
Yep they are still pissing in the wind eco says thanks for the Mana and I won’t back down. You no when I said that I tried to dispute those fines well thats not all that story. I tried to make a complaint against the officer he would not give me his name or badge number. I went to there website and it stated that you can get one from the local station you can print a form off the site for ones complaint how many people have axcess to those resources I went to the local station and go the there are no forms we don’t no were they are you don’t need to make a complaint I can print one for you I new I was pissing in the wind so this is how accountable they are under the shonky key bullshit rule for nine years and the 75 years old ass holes running our justice system
No one can make a complaint so there farcical image is perramount PS I try to print it but No could not get the form. Ana to kai
Well they didn’t like that last post I’m in the mount and sirens going off idiots LOL Ana to kai
They must sit together all the time to plan there bullshit It would go hay dopey shall we let some fire works of tonight and that will make eco confess to being a savage idiot Maori thief as we no but he have everyone under a spell no snezie we will get that girl to ask him to leave some grass clippings and we can tell everyone that eco is a idiot nar dip shit we will bait one of his relations arrest them and pay them $5000 to sing us a song that will give us the evidence to arrested that evil theif eco Maori the 7 clowns Ana to kai
Petty party politics from Bill English beats helping solve child poverty.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/national-won-t-join-child-poverty-conversation-unless-govt-shows-it-s-serious-bill-english.html
Not really, from the article
If they’re going to have child poverty reduction targets, the Government has to show how they’re actually going to achieve them. Otherwise you’re just fooling people.
“There is no indication they’ve got a plan at all. So putting legislation targets will look a bit cynical when there’s actually no plan.”
But he’s not ruling out backing the Government.
“We would come on board if there are some genuine plans to reduce child poverty.
Ball’s in Arderns court.
Now there’s a leader in the making, hashtag Honest Bill.
So long as Bill English supports booting state housing tenants from their homes, and running down HNZ’s stock, I do not belive he has any desire to reduce poverty of any kind.
Why doesn’t he share Stephen Joyce’s plan to lift 100k kids out of poverty? He must have had a plan when he announced that target.
I thought Labour had all the answers.
I’m confident they’re opportunistic enough to take a good idea from the Nats, run with it, and claim it as their own. If the Nats had any good ideas, that is. After all, the Nats showed how to do that plenty of times over the last few years.
‘Dairy farming could pollute the water drunk by our grandchildren in years to come as scientists have found waste from intensive North Canterbury agriculture is likely to contaminate aquifers.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/99535131/nitrates-in-christchurch-drinking-water-at-safe-but-increasing-levels-modelling-shows
Meanwhile the perpetrators of this crime against our environment continue to peddle their lies.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/99724683/fonterra-dairy-farm-open-day-part-of-cooperatives-charm-offensive
Great we have journalists like Rachel Stewart
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921404
And scientists like Mike Joy.
‘Freshwater ecologist Mike Joy has a story for all those cities and towns beset by troubled drinking water standards; the list of which now appears to include Mosgiel.
It’s a story about New York, a city that in the popular imagination doesn’t sleep, but where you can drink the water, day and night.
“They were running out of water and the water quality was poor and so they had two ways forward,” Dr Joy says of the Big Apple’s water headache of 20 years ago.
“They could upgrade the treatment and spend millions and millions of dollars every year on treating stuff or they could go up to the catchment and protect it.”
They chose the latter, bought out livestock farmers, despite a “hue and cry” from some of said pastoralists who proclaimed it the end of the world. Instead of disaster, what has happened is that water quality in the city is now top notch, and within no time at all alternative land uses have sprung up in the catchment, fruit and nuts trees were planted, land values went up as people wanted to live there. And all this from the one-off cost of buying out the livestock farmers.’
https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/bridging-troubled-waters
About a week ago it was reported that someone sought data from ECan regarding the allocation of water rights, but ECan replied that there was no such record.
Does anyone know who/what/where that response can be found?
(That is appalling if true. They were put there to allocate water rights but don’t have data nearly a decade later???)
Having a look at what was available on google for Canterbury water I found the links below but allocation is tricky, because it is felt that often what is consented is not being drawn on! Sort of difficult and murky this water business.
For the google search Canterbury water statistics I got this (note that google has noted lack of statistics).
Water | Environment Canterbury
https://www.ecan.govt.nz/your-region/your-environment/water/
We help ensure we have enough good quality water in Canterbury for what we want to do today and in the future.
Missing: statistics
Some good links in here –
http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/north-canterbury/water
See EC stats – https://www.ecan.govt.nz/technical-reports/
NZ data on water usage:
http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma-fresh-water/update-water-allocation-data-and-estimate-actual-water-use-consented-7
Some interesting stats: Of all irrigated uses 76% is for pasture.
The majority of the consented irrigated area is in Canterbury (63%) and Otago (16%).
https://sciblogs.co.nz/waiology/2012/10/29/canterbury-does-not-have-70-of-new-zealands-freshwater-it-has-12/
http://www.h2whoa.co.nz/stats/
Our Water, Our Vote – News
https://www.ourwaterourvote.org.nz/information/
The Selwyn River is “a really raw” example of our mismanagement of water, an Envrionment Canterbury (ECan) councillor told a public meeting … CWMS and ECan in charge = Water pollution out of control in Canterbury …. MAF statistics show farms will remain very profitable by paying 1/100th of a cent per litre of water.
Nov 8, 2015
Dairy irrigators CPW gain $8M loan from council despite dairy farmers making a loss
The Selwyn Disdtrict Council (SDC) have used ratepayers money to give CPW an unsecured $8Million loan which will contribute to Canterbury’s freshwater pollution
Some gratuitous pleasure of a view of a faulty Minister being modelled in the pose which demonstrates his attitude to his area of inexpertise.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/96461304/statue-of-environment-minister-with-his-pants-down-delivered-to-canterbury-regional-council
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/96422627/ecan-rejects-offensive-statue-of-environment-minister-nick-smith-squatting
I seem to remember (probably about a year ago now) something on RNZ (NinetoNoon maybe) about the issue. It also identified ‘problems’ with the actual monitoring of irrigation water use. Something along the lines that new tech meters were still being put in place/remote monitoring et al – in order to get an accurate picture.
Nothing to do with ECan would surprise me.
Thanks Grey and Tim. I think it was about relationships between the level of available water against the rights allocated since ECan came in. Surely there would have to have been a quantity known before allocation, against that which was actually allocated or , as we suspect, over-allocation would happen. ECan were not able to provide evidence one way or the other which is criminal.
Excellent post Ed;
Mike Joy is our premier water scientist; – and is the one person the Labour Coalition must place him on their team of specialists to use to sort our worsening water quality crisis.
Here are some facts to help quantify the benefits of using rail as one way to reduce our pollution of our water systems.
An Ernst and Young report for the NZ Transport Agency in 2016 — The Value of Rail in New Zealand — put that value at $1.5 billion. The report was not made public until recently.
A B-train (truck with two trailers) wears out the road 20,000 times more than a car, and we know that the local roading authorities are struggling to keep up with the maintenance on the road. I travel the Gisborne to Napier route often and am fed up with the constant wheel alignments necessary from the potholes and sunken bridges.
Then there are the externalities — the consequences of an economic activity experienced by unrelated third parties: the social and environmental cost of increasing heavy trucks and reducing rail use.
The Ministry of Transport has put the social cost of each road death at $4.5 million, and a crash involving serious injuries at $473,600.
Living near a busy road increases the risk of premature death by 7 percent, increasing the risk of cancer, heart attack, stroke, dementia, childhood diabetes, asthma, allergies etc.
A diesel truck pollutes up to 1000 times more than a car.
One truck tyre sheds 10 times the amount of one car tyre.
Each truck tyre sheds 0.21 g/km of tyre compound (butadiene styrene); that is 5.46 g/km for a 26-wheel vehicle.
Road run-off accounts for 40-50 percent of urban metal contamination to aquatic ecosystems.
It’s not a matter of being anti trucks, it’s about sharing the load. Even the Road Transport Forum chief executive Ken Shirley, as well as local transport operators, are saying they can’t cope with the increasing freight task and may have to turn work away.
Did anyone go to this talk?
Would be interested to hear about it.
By the way, please notice how the Otago Daily Times frames Mike Joy as ‘outspoken.’
This is how the corporate media frame a debate.
‘Outspoken scientist Dr Mike Joy will share his thoughts on the future of food at an open lecture in Dunedin today.
Dr Joy, a senior lecturer in ecology and environmental science at Massey University is speaking in the St David Lecture Theatre from 5.30pm, sponsored by the Centre for Sustainability and Ag@Otago.
Earlier this year, he received the Universities New Zealand inaugural Critic and Conscience of Society Award for drawing attention to water quality in New Zealand’s rivers, lakes and drinking water — and the impact of intensive agriculture.
He intended looking at what he called New Zealand’s nitrogen and fossil fuel ‘‘addiction’’ and covering various topics including disruptions from the likes of artificial and plant-based milk and synthetic meat.’
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/future-food-be-topic-joy-lecture
‘The inaugural Critic and Conscience of Society Award winner and environmental crusader Dr Mike Joy says Wanaka needs to reduce its cow numbers and put a stop to the intensification of the dairy industry if it is to save its waterways.
Dr Joy said a Wanaka vet told him there used to be three cows in Wanaka and he knew them each by name, now there were upwards of 30,000 cows in the area.
“That is the kind of change we’ve had, that is the reality of it, and a lot of Southland cows are being wintered here and they don’t really count in the statistics properly but their s… sure does.”
Dr Joy said the cows were being wintered in Upper Clutha because of the drier climate but the soils around Wanaka were very porous, which allowed pathogens and contaminants to move quickly through the soil and into the waterways. The Massey University academic spoke in Wanaka this week at the invitation of the Lake Wanaka Trust, delivering a public lecture on “The Future of food; our deadly nitrogen and fossil fuel addiction”. In an interview, he said artificial nitrogen made from fossil fuels had allowed cow numbers to double in the past 20 years and quadrupled milk production, but the farmers were not making any more money and the nitrogen was ruining rivers and lowland lakes.’
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/wanaka/dairy-intensification-effects-questioned
Mike Joy is ‘outspoken’ and stands out because so many academics are muzzled in some way.
And we are not a modern literate society incorporating a high level of expertise and informed and advanced decision making and implementation. Preventing that is the simple message over the gateway ‘This is where the biggest bucks are made’. And so we keep following what we did before until the above proves incorrect. Mike Joy has to be outspoken because no-one wants to hear until the ‘big bucks’ premise proves on the financial schedules to be wrong.
In an interview, he said artificial nitrogen made from fossil fuels had allowed cow numbers to double in the past 20 years and quadrupled milk production, but the farmers were not making any more money and the nitrogen was ruining rivers and lowland lakes.’
My exemplar for being ignored and prevented from ethical action by the established organisation to the point of being killed is Semmelweis. He found by experiment that he could prevent deaths of new mothers, and drastically cut deaths in one area of the hospital. But he was not allowed to change a system that had always been followed. It ended with him being held in an asylum, and dying after a fight with a guard, probably fairly brutal. The establishment then, (and all establishments have the same tendencies), would go that far so as not to rock their personal boats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
Good morning, good folk of The Standard!
I have a wee problem that the cybersavvy who frequent this space might be able to help me with.
This document…. Joint ACC and Health
Spinal Cord Impairment Initiative & Implementation Plan
Situation Analysis Paper
24th February 2013
is no longer available on the interweb.
A google search….https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Joint+ACC+and+Health+Spinal+Cord+Impairment+Initiative+%26+Implementation+Plan+Situation+Analysis+Paper+24th+February+2013&cr=countryNZ&rlz=1C1OPRB_enNZ513NZ516&tbs=ctr:countryNZ&ei=heEuWsGrCcW20ASY64qwDw&start=0&sa=N&filter=0&biw=1280&bih=666
….fails to provide a link to this document but does reference where it has been mentioned. A couple of references link to The Standard…occasions where I have cited this document. I am pretty sure I would have included the hyperlink…but they are not there anymore.
Neither the Mystery of Health or ACC websites have this document in their archives. I did message ‘Darryl’ the IT helpelf on the ACC website.
This is the second time a document that I reference fairly regularly has disappeared from the interweb.
I have the pdf file on my geriatric hard drive and I do backups fairly regularly and I have a hard copy…but it would be really, really useful to be able to link when I am referencing this very significant piece of work.
It was yesterday that I last tried to link to this document in a quick email to this guy…http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018624936/legal-research-award-to-examine-extending-acc
…because the above named document has an extremely useful section that compares ACC and MOH supports for those with spinal impairment.
Thanks in advance for any help.
That google search, threw up a link for me to this:
https://disability.acc.co.nz/assets/Uploads/Spinal-cord/Spinal-Cord-Impairment-Action-Plan-2014-2019.pdf
That is the Action Plan, which references the Situation Analysis Paper.
The Action Plan is the usual happy clappy ‘we’re all over this shit’ glossy publication so loved by the Misery of Health. I guess it makes it look like they’re doing enough to justify their high salaries.
The Situation Analysis Paper, on the other hand, is 88 pages of solid information gathered by UMR and presented in such a format that ACC and the Miserly could only produce a similarly solid Action Plan…oh, that’s right…
Have they replaced it with a newer version? e.g.
https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/new-zealand-spinal-cord-impairment-action-plan-jun14.docx
Is this the 2013 one?
http://docplayer.net/15494661-Joint-acc-and-health-spinal-cord-impairment-initiative-implementation-plan-situation-analysis-paper-24-th-february-2013.html
Thanks weka…see reply to Carolyn_nth above re the Action Plan.
Did you try downloading the SitAnal (my shorthand from now on… 😉 ) from docplayer?
I did a couple of clicks, then this scary American voice erupted from the screen so I aborted.
I’ll repeat..this is a very significant piece of work, paid for by us, that very accurately describes, well, the Situation for those with spinal cord impairment in New Zealand.
It should be there.
I started the download process and then backed away slowly 😉
For the exact title in quotation marks I only got 3 hits, which makes me wonder if the title isn’t quite right. Presumably when it was originally published online it would have been linked to so there should still be links to it turning up in google even if they are now broken.
Do you have the original URL where you got your old electronic copy from? If so*, try putting it into this,
https://archive.org/
*it’s probably embedded in the doc somewhere.
“…which makes me wonder if the title isn’t quite right. ”
Valid point…but that is a copy and paste from the front page of the doc…
the only info I left out is….
“Prepared by
Christine Howard‐Brown and Jo Esplin”
try the wayback machine, or the google cache of the address. Nothing dissapears as it’s all archived, somewhere..
I had a look in the wayback machine and got nothing from the title. Don’t have the original URL to search with.
Ask, weka, and ye shall receive…
http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_providers/documents/project/wpc119428.pdf
Sweet. This looks like it. If you want to link to it in future use this URL,
https://web.archive.org/web/20170411233714/https://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_providers/documents/project/wpc119428.pdf
Okay…in words of no more that three syllables…can someone explain the what and why of this ‘wayback’ thing….?
This is not an old document and it is referenced in the most recent SCI Action Plan (for its many sins)..so how come it has gone from the acc and moh sites and been consigned to what looks like cyberia?
It is still more than relevant.
Thanks all for the help btw… 🙂
The Internet Archive, aka The Wayback Machine, trawls the internet and archives every webpage it can find. It will archive multiple versions of a webpage over time.
So if someone removes a page from their website, often (although not always) one can find a copy in the archive if one has the original URL.
Some websites prevent the Internet Archive from trawling them, and so they don’t get archived.
It looks to me like ACC have removed the PDF from their website entirely. That’s nothing to do with the Internet Archive, who would have made copies before it was removed.
I also did a google advanced by site search of acc.co.nz using various keywords from the title and URL and go nothing, so it looks to me like it’s been completely removed from ACC’s website (not just a broken link). If you can bring yourself to do it, might be worth phoning the relevant department within ACC and pointing out its importance. Or emailing them and CCing in the new Minister.
Hah! I did just that with the other document that disappeared when the National Advisory Council for the Employment of Women’s archive was transferred from the defunct Department of Labour to the new Ministry of Women. The young lassie on the phone spoke like the documents were loaded onto trolleys for the Big Move and that one…just that one mind, blew away in the Welly wind.
I sent them a copy of the pdf…I should go check if its still there….
http://women.govt.nz/sites/public_files/NACEW-Financial-support-for-family-carers-2008.pdf
There it is… 🙂 🙂
Nice one! So good to hear stories where talking to the bureaucracy has a good ending.
hiya grumpy…the url is below.
I’m normally quite competent with searches…but this has me stumped…and a tad suspicious.
Cyber choc fish to anyone who can sort this…
There’s just a wee bit of an enthusiasm gap between Dems and Repugs for new candidates wanting to run in 2018 …
https://www.vox.com/2017/12/11/16748716/chart-democrats-2018-midterms-elections
So far the Ombudsman says that the 33 page of notes on coalition talks as mentioned by Winston Peters, does not need to be released.
Newsroom reports it, but disagrees with the interim decision.
Oh dear!!
Nats and RW Trolls have been in agony over this! How could he rule such a thing??
SO SAD!
Hi folks. Can anyone hep me out with a technical issue? I can’t find a way to embed links when I’m commenting. I use Google Chrome as my browser. The only advice I can find is out of date, referring to a “wrench” icon and a function that doesn’t appear in any obvious way for the newer icon – the stack of 3 vertical dots – that replaced it.
Any advice gratefully received.
Have you tried putting the tags in manually? Do you see the Show Tags button at the bottom of the comment box next to Submit Comment?
There is no short cut for those of us who are not authors as far as I know.
I do it manually as described here
Once you get the hang of it, it’s not so hard.
I use Safari Firefox and Chrome at different times as I feel the need and they are basically all the same from a commenting point of view – at least on mac OS
I never knew there was a short and easy way to do it from Chrome. Unless I’m signed in (when I have access to some short-cuts) I’m reduced to the following from FAQ.
https://thestandard.org.nz/faq/comment-formatting/#linking
There’s no auto way in Safari either (although authors can access the tag buttons when logged in via the Edit).
Yup. That’s what I do. Submit comment when signed in and then ‘edit in’ the links.
I’m wondering if people with logins who aren’t authors can also do that?
Type the words you want the link embedded in:
This is an article about….
Then around those words type this:
[a href=”add_link_url”]This is an article about…[/a]
But where I’ve put [ type
As here:
http://shell.cas.usf.edu/mccook/uwy/hyperlinks.html
So, if I want to link to the Colin James article in the ODT today about politician of the year I do this?
Can I just feed back to the site managers that this didn’t work when I followed the advice from TS (which said to use single quote marks), but did when I followed Carolyn_Nth’s advice and used double quote marks? Thanks C_N.
Got it.
edit. Fixed. I think.
It looks to me like it’s fixed. Thanks for following up, Bill.
red-blooded…I too have this problem here on TS.
I try using the HTML Tags helpfully supplied…but no joy.
I have no problems over on Public Address…and produce some tidy cooments and the odd post.
I am using an old Compaq Pressario, running on Vista and also google chrome…although the header tells me otherwise….I suspect this is the cause of my problem.
Having said that…I am not exactly technosavvy…
I am still awestruck, occasionally, when stuff actually works.
The epitome of uselessness, or: Why
nobody trusts or respects the Democrats
mealy-mouthed (adj.) afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly.
Jim Mora has repeatedly asserted that this fool is “the greatest orator of our generation.” ….
JA wearing her Labour Party hat at time of coalition document.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11957945
Buuuuurrrrrn!
All seems rather dodgy, no wonder there’s no honeymoon and Nationals still well ahead of Labour.
Ardern doing her best to sink the COL. and return Labour to Andrew Little levels of popularity.
“Nationals still well ahead of Labour.”
Lol, we’ve had MMP for 25 years.
JA is ahead of English in terms of preferred PM. Wtf are you on about?
You shouldn’t have the opposition party rising in support during the honeymoon period.
Ardern has completely fucked it up, watch the polls take another hit when the sheeple realize they’re missing out on an extra grand next year.
“You shouldn’t have the opposition party rising in support during the honeymoon period.”
why not?
“Ardern has completely fucked it up, watch the polls take another hit when the sheeple realize they’re missing out on an extra grand next year.”
Your fantasies aren’t reality BM. This just looks like wishful thinking on your part.
BM, the Nat’s have increased their party preference by 3%, Labour by 6% (comparing election outcome to the latest CB). Not a huge bounce, but certainly nothing to be dejected about.
Mate that is a massive win for labour and a downtrow for the gnats lol god the gnats are a rabble
Ah, the old “hats” trick – as pioneered by dear ex-leader JPK.
With the Ombudsman backing the Prime Minister, all those crap stories about secrecy vanish … like tears in the rain.
Boshier was a good judge, and was quite clear in the RNZ interview last week that he is nobody’s fool. Both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister were right.
Do you think Peters was having a senior moment when he said
“a document of precision in various areas of policy commitment and development.
These are directives to ministers with accountability and media strategies to ensure that the coalition works
I think he was misspeaking, yes. Look at the whole statement, he says the goal is to make sure the coalition works – it’s a working document, setting out issues for the two parties to develop and work on. Put another way, it’s notes from a developing discussion, held over a period of time. That’s quite different from a coalition agreement or a formal policy document (which records decisions made and agreements arrived at).
BM can you link to the coalition discussion doc from the natz and their support party(s).
I await with interest any comments from people who complained about John Key using the line that he did some things as Leader of the National Party rather than as PM.
Now that Jacinda Ardern has used the same defence I can only assume that they will.
1) Apologise to Mr Key
or
2) Complain about Ms Ardern’s actions.
Otherwise the people concerned will be shown up as hypocrites.
I wonder who will be first?
Some of the ctiticism of Key and “hats” was that his “hats” defense against OIA some OIA requests indicated that government staffers employed by Ministerial Services were being used for party work. A bit of a no-no, if indeed that was the hat he was wearing while texting the dirty politics crew.
This does not seem to have been the case at all in the recent coalition negotiations.
Really?
Then why did the chief Ombudsman end up saying, about the material you are referring to, that
“On this point the Ombudsmen have accepted the view of the Prime Minister’s Office with Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier’s view that the threshold for him to check the communications in question has not been met.”
In other words he had exactly the same opinion then as now
Felix Marwick didn’t take it at all kindly. He claimed then that obviously Key had something to hide.
“The other thing you can deduce from a three year battle over access to correspondence is that the most senior politician in the land probably had something to hide. ”
I expect him to say that Ardern must have something to hide also.
Either that or apologise to Key and I don’t think he will do that.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/felix-marwick-no-sunlight-no-disinfectant-political-machinations-remain-behind-the-veil/
Should you be apologising to Mr Key or did you not complain about the episode that now seems to get you excited?
Why? When did Key ever get the Ombudsman’s clearance for his prevarications, one of which Ardern has cunningly mimicked in getting formal exoneration?
(And by the way, if you can quote such a case, you open yourself up to the “But National did it too!” argument, a tactic hugely overused and abused by the previous Govt who screamed ‘Labour did it too!’ no matter how incongruous the events had been.)
We’re going to be the most transparent government ever 🙄
BM can you point to where the natz released their coalition negotiation papers?
Brilliant riposte.
Yes Ed,
Seems like all these National trollls believe anything their leaders tell them without question, so we will never see “their coalition negotiation papers” as dv asked for eh?
They lack substance & honesty.
If you can make a reasonable argument that notes on coalition agreements made before either party leader became prime minister were in fact noted as part of the role of Prime Minister, feel free.
Maybe the same argument could be made that Ardern’s essays for school cert were written in her capacity of being Prime Minister, if that’s how job descriptions take effect in the parallel toryverse you are communicating from.
As for ministerial services employees acting as partisan activists – in that case someone’s fucked up somewhere and should have been kicked to the kerb. Didn’t a MS employee find other employment shortly after the book was published?
one fruit of the rotten tree that we dare not talk about
spoils of war
or maybe the banality of accepted rape to assuage men who are driven by bloodlust and ‘maybe watched some of theirs die’ and now must find a relieve valve or other some assorted bullshit so that we don’t need to be honest as to what is done to women in war
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/world/asia/myanmar-rohingya-rapes.html
full report here https://apnews.com/5e4a1351468f4755a6f861e39ec782c9
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/world/middleeast/isis-yazidi-women-rape-iraq-mosul-slavery.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/19/africa/denis-mukwege-congo-doctor-rape/index.html
just three examples from this year. This is how common, how accepted, how permitted rape is in order to subjugate, dominate, and defeat a people/race/religion etc etc.
And this is what rape is in general. No waxing lyrically about how it must be a psychosis, a mental illness, a disease, a sin from satan, and not simply the fact that some will use it as a tool to subjugate others into obedience until they cower in fear and do as they are told to.
A tiny step in the right direction. Last year a Congolese warlord was found guilty of war crimes in the ICC holding him accountable for rapes committed by his troops.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/21/icc-finds-ex-congolese-vice-president-jean-pierre-bemba-guilty-of-war-crimes
At last some realistic discussion around (one) implication of CC…let us hope Newsroom’s article will start widespread coverage of an effect that may force some public demand for reducing carbon emissions.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/12/11/67374/drowning-dreams-billions-at-stake-as-govt-mulls-sea-level-rules
There’s a post up now.
Horrible rich pricks think they can do anything and get away with it.
The world watches in fascinated horror every day as the zomboid version of Richie Rich creates havoc in the White House and beyond.
But stupid rich men out of control is not a phenomenon limited to that beleaguered republic. Yesterday New Zealanders became aware of the massive sense of entitlement by one unfeasibly wealthy git who wants to be able to fly his helicopter AT ANY TIME in a city neighbourhood. He’s not some surgeon on call, or anything useful like that; he wants to fly himself and his rich “friends” to golf games, not drive or bus there like the rest of us oiks.
Ten years ago, another rich prick with a similar sub-zero level of awareness walked around Porirua, attempting to curry favour with the locals. That was an unwise move on his part….
That worker…what a hero.
I love the gesticulations.
A pity that he did not accidentally hit the bottom of that coffee cup…
He’s been a good friend of mine for going on 30 years… no matter how pissed off he would have been with JK/Nats, he’s respectful enough to not stoop to doing stupid stuff like that.
If we could all have discussions in that manner, we’d all be in a much better place.
* i’m as guilty as anyone sometimes, at doing stupid stuff 🙂
Here’s some more cool tough behaviour from the Antipodes, this time in the Auckland Public Library….
And more from the horrible pricks file…this…http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11957908
“A man who saw red when he discovered a text between a friend and his wife, declaring their undying love for each other, has been discharged without conviction on charges of assaulting the man, the defendant’s wife, and one of his children in Queenstown this year.
In the Queenstown District Court yesterday Judge John Brandts-Giesen said it was a “nasty assault”, but had to be seen in context.
“Really, this is a situation that does your wife no credit and does the [male] no
credit.”
Judge Brandts-Giesen said the man assaulted the friend and a struggle ensued. When the defendant’s daughter tried to separate the pair, the defendant grabbed her by the throat, pushed her down and held her there.
When the defendant’s wife intervened, he kicked her in the ribs, causing her to fall backwards.
The male complainant suffered scratches, and the defendant’s daughter’s neck was bruised.
Judge Brandts-Giesen said the 58-year-old, who did not recollect hurting his wife and daughter, had never been before the court.
“There would be many people who would have done exactly what you did, even though it may be against the law to do so.
“I consider that the consequences of a conviction are out of all proportion to what happened on this occasion.””
Well…justice is served, I guess.
file this under
Boys will be boys.
Boys will be boys…indeed.
This boy is 58 years old…and unless he’s taking supplements, he can hardly blame testosterone overload.
SSDD.
Same as it ever was…
the old adage,
if it bleeds its a women no matter the age – maybe a disclaimer is added ‘young women’ cause responsibility for women and their actions starts when they can get pregnant but men? Oh my, so many excuses…….boys will be boys, or as in this particular case a ‘crime of passion’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_passion
also crime of passion does not appear to be a mitigating circumstance for women. 🙂
Looky looky…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11958625
“Otago Lakes Central Area Commander Inspector Olaf Jensen could not comment specifically on the case.
However, he confirmed that police were looking closely at the sentencing decision.
“We are reviewing the decision, but at this stage aren’t in a position to comment further,” he said.
Auckland barrister and spokeswoman for the Auckland Coalition for the Safety of Women and Children Catriona MacLennan said called for Judge Brandts-Giesen to step down from his role.
“”It is inappropriate for Judge Brandts-Giesen to continue sitting on the bench,” she told the Herald.
“His reported comments and the sentence imposed display a complete lack of understanding of domestic violence.
“He victim blames and minimises assaults on three people.””
too little too late.
innit?
Give the bloke a sports radio chat show.
Meat tax ‘inevitable’ to beat climate and health crises, says report
‘“Sin taxes” on meat to reduce its huge impact on climate change and human health look inevitable, according to analysts for investors managing more than $4tn of assets.
The global livestock industry causes 15% of all global greenhouse gas emissions and meat consumption is rising around the world, but dangerous climate change cannot be avoided unless this is radically curbed. Furthermore, many people already eat far too much meat, seriously damaging their health and incurring huge costs. Livestock also drive other problems, such as water pollution and antibiotic resistance.
A new analysis from the investor network Farm Animal Investment Risk and Return (Fairr) Initiative argues that meat is therefore now following the same path as tobacco, carbon emissions and sugar towards a sin tax, a levy on harmful products to cut consumption. Meat taxes have already been discussed in parliaments in Germany, Denmark and Sweden, the analysis points out, and China’s government has cut its recommended maximum meat consumption by 45% in 2016.
“If policymakers are to cover the true cost of human epidemics like obesity, diabetes and cancer, and livestock epidemics like avian flu, while also tackling the twin challenges of climate change and antibiotic resistance, then a shift from subsidisation to taxation of the meat industry looks inevitable,” said Jeremy Coller, the founder of Fairr and the chief investment officer at the private equity firm Coller Capital. “Far-sighted investors should plan ahead for this day.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/11/meat-tax-inevitable-to-beat-climate-and-health-crises-says-report?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Maybe as part of our education, we should be made aware of this.
Then I would imagine meat eating would rapidly decline.
“If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.”
There is no bottom.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/roy-moore-campaign-decides-its-a-good-idea-to-have-a-12-year-old-girl-interview-him/
Oh boy….
https://thinkprogress.org/speaker-at-moore-event-says-he-accidentally-went-with-moore-to-a-brothel-with-child-prostitutes-65c9819f8a1e/
The upcoming Alabama Senate election is going to be one almighty media test:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-hell-is-happening-with-these-alabama-polls/
Either the Dems and the media and the entire feminist enterprise against sexual harrassment was beaten just as Hillary Clinton was (if the Dems lose), …
…Or…
… the Dems win and a great turning point has been reached which vindicates the media classes hunting sexual predators and feminism stands to fight another day in America, and Breitbart and the rest of patriarchy is sorely wounded.
A fair bit to play for.
Anticipating ballot jiggery pokery, too.
(1/14)
https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/940285311942135809
https://twitter.com/Greg_Palast/status/940282889530499073
New Zealand is a horrible place to live for many.
‘Christmas a step too far’ for struggling families says Auckland City Mission as hundreds line up outside
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11958065
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Very very dull.
Redneck would be a better title.
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Statistics must be wrong because your anecdote.
No wonder you have to set up “think” tanks: peer review isn’t your strong point.
No, “redneck” would NOT be a better title for a bigot.
“Redneck” is the contemptuous term for working people used by Democratic Party mandarins in the 1970s to condemn the working people who voted for Nixon. It’s been thoughtlessly recycled over the years, and was enthusiastically used by Clintonistas and Hopey-Changey cultists to besmirch white working people who they believed should vote for them by divine right.
Think about who the most bigoted, racist, outrageous hatemongers in this country are: Don Brash, Jamie “Lock Up His Sisters” Whyte, Mike Hosking, Leighton Smith, Cameron “Whalefat” Slater, John Ansell, Garth “The Knife” McVicar. Only the last-named qualifies as a redneck, as he has actually done some physical work in his life.
My grandfathers and my uncles all worked hard on farms and in factories, and they often got sunburned, including on their necks. They were and are rednecks, just like the hardworking men and women in the United States are. But I’ve never, ever heard any of them utter the brutal and heartless and ignorant rhetoric that we are inflicted with every day from comfortable, sedentary, white-collared, white-necked people like Brash and co.
They are not rednecks, they are bigots.
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Good on you, Red.
And greetings to you, too, my good friend and highly esteemed colleague Ed.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/54081723/you-guys-i-love-you-guys.jpg
Disagree. Meanings of words change over time, and Morrisey’s nostalgia for the original meaning is now misplaced. Most people know quite well what most of us mean by Redneck, and while I sympathise a bit with Morrisey wanting to stick to the original meaning, I think it is far too late. That original meaning is now archaic.
Labels are still discriminatory though. Take it from me: I employ them often enough 😈
Next, you’ll be defending WASPs because they aren’t striped.
Yes: by definition, labels are discriminatory.
Indeed, it was and is mostly contemptuous, wealthy, entitled WASPs in the Democratic Party who use such terms as “rednecks” and “deplorables”.
Thankyou for illustrating my point so promptly.
Just you because why not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
i especially like the usage here 🙂
“Historical Scottish Covenanter usage
In Scotland in the 1640s, the Covenanters rejected rule by bishops, often signing manifestos using their own blood. Some wore red cloth around their neck to signify their position, and were called rednecks by the Scottish ruling class to denote that they were the rebels in what came to be known as The Bishop’s War that preceded the rise of Cromwell.[25][26] Eventually, the term began to mean simply “Presbyterian”, especially in communities along the Scottish border. Because of the large number of Scottish immigrants in the pre-revolutionary American South, some historians have suggested that this may be the origin of the term in the United States.[27]
Dictionaries document the earliest American citation of the term’s use for Presbyterians in 1830, as “a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians of Fayetteville [North Carolina]”.[14][26]
Roman Catholics
In Northern England in the 19th and 20th centuries, Roman Catholics were also known as rednecks.[28]
South Africa
The exact Afrikaans equivalent, rooinek, is used as a disparaging term for English people and South Africans of English descent, in reference to their supposed naïveté as later arrivals in the region in failing to protect themselves from the sun.[29]”
I guess i am a redneck, being roman catholic and all 🙂
How interesting. Didn’t know the Scottish version before.
I’ve never liked the term redneck, and tend not to use it.
But, having had a bit of a Presbyterian upbringing, I guess I’m a redneck, too.
Never knew the source.
Thank you, Morrissey
Legacy of Music: Talking Heads (video)
My moneys on tulips.
Bitcoin is in the “mania” phase, with some people even borrowing money to get in on the action, securities regulator Joseph Borg told CNBC on Monday.
“We’ve seen mortgages being taken out to buy bitcoin. … People do credit cards, equity lines,” said Borg, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association, a voluntary organization devoted to investor protection. Borg is also director of the Alabama Securities Commission.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/11/people-are-taking-out-mortgages-to-buy-bitcoin-says-joseph-borg.html?
As a commentator has since written on facebook, it is bad enough they take our water now they flout the laws of the land, the next step they taking our country completely from us
‘It’s just so dangerous’: Squalid conditions reported at water bottling plant.
‘One of the plants, owned by China-based Cloud Ocean Water, is being built in what used to be the Kaputone Wool Scour, which closed in 2015.
The company is associated with the Ling Hai Group, which has winery interests in New Zealand and links to a Chinese sugar giant.
Cloud Ocean Water director Feng Liang said he was “unable to comment” on the investigations. When asked to respond to specific allegations about the alleged workplace practices, he again declined to comment.
The site’s resource consent allows it to take 4.3 million litres a day, the equivalent daily usage of around 12,000 people.
Some 46 consecutive dry days in Christchurch have beaten a record set in 1954. The city council has urged residents to conserve water, recommending residents do not water their lawns.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99726885/its-just-so-dangerous-squalid-conditions-reported-at-water-bottling-plant
Some detail on the companies
Cloud Ocean Water Limited was registered on 21 Mar 2017 and issued an NZBN of 9429046014665. The registered LTD company has been run by 2 directors: Feng Liang – an active director whose contract began on 21 Mar 2017,
Zongren Ling – an active director whose contract began on 21 Mar 2017.
A total of 10000 shares are allotted to 2 groups (2 shareholders in total). As far as the first group is concerned, 2300 shares are held by 1 entity, namely:
Hairong Ling (an individual) located at Lin Yi.
The second group consists of 1 shareholder, holds 77% shares (exactly 7700 shares) and includes Ling Hai Group Limited. Cloud Ocean Water Limited is categorised as “Mineral water manufacturing” (business classification C121140).
http://www.bizdb.co.nz/company/9429046014665/
Feng Liang is also a director of Ling Hai Hotel Limited
http://www.bizdb.co.nz/company/9429042545132/
More research on the Ling Hai Group.
Marlborough’s Castlebrae farm has been sold by longtime owners the Marfell family to a Chinese-owned company.
A decision, published by the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) yesterday, said the Ling Hai Group, a company owned by Zongren Ling and family from China, had been approved to buy 100 per cent of the Castlebrae farm.
The farm, about 741 hectares of land at Renners and Castles roads in the Awatere Valley, running down to the sea, was owned by brothers Geoff and David Marfell and Castlebrae Vineyards.
The sale price was withheld for commercial sensitivity reasons.
The OIO decision said Ling Hai Group intended to my textacquire the land as part of its long-term investment in the New Zealand wine and tourism industry.
Ling Hai Group is based at a residential address in Glenfield in Auckland. Its owner, Zongren Ling, lives in China.
Ling Hai lawyer Andrew Petersen, of law firm Bell Gully, was not available for comment yesterday. Geoff and David Marfell did not return calls either.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/9891008/Chinese-buy-741-hectare-Marlborough-farm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11229773
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/63293695/farm-buyer-eyes-chinese-wine-market
https://www.linz.govt.nz/regulatory/overseas-investment/decision-summaries-statistics/2014-02/201320056
More on Zongren Ling…..
Zongren Ling is Chairman at Rizhao Lingyunhai Sugar Group Co Ltd.
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/community/CAFCA/cafca14/fi-2014-02.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/people/17170044-zongren-ling
More…..
Here is detail of the purchase of the water bottling plant.
‘Cloud Ocean Water, which is registered to manufacture mineral water, is majority-owned by the China-based Ling Hai Group.
The Canterbury Regional Council said the consent, which was transferred to Cloud Ocean Water earlier this month, did allow for bottling.
Councillor Rod Cullinane said it was concerning the water could be exported for profit – yet the company would face no charges for the consent, other than covering the council’s monitoring costs.
The Kaputone Wool Scour was granted the water consent for its site on Station Road in 1997.
Mr Cullinane said it had little power to stop the water now being used for an entirely different purpose, because the consent had already been granted.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331482/water-consent-at-former-plant-bought-by-chinese-investors
Here is their website.
New Zealand mineral water, wine and honey is for sale.
Water at $52 for a box of 24 bottles.
How much did the people of New Zealand (whose water it is) get for that?
http://www.lingyunhai.com/
http://www.lingyunhai.com/Product/ProductInfo?id=7
If you want to track how much of New Zealand and its assets have been sold to foreign interests, I recommend this as a starting point.
For example, here are June 2017’s decisions.
Global investors buy up half of 2Degrees
Suncorp/Vero buys up rest of Tower Insurance
Bathurst buys forest land to mine more coal
Caltex Australia buys Gull NZ
Goodman Properties (Australia) buys industrial estate in Henderson
US apple orchardists expand in South Canterbury
T&G ( Germany, China)buys land for apples in Havelock North
US apple orchardists expand in South Canterbury
Chinese buy Bowron tannery, Christchurch;
Japanese buy more forestry land in Northland
Latifundium (Liechtenstein, Germany? ) buys Wairarapa forests
Swiss capital moves to the East Coast
Australian restructures Whatatutu farmland, Gisborne; Mangakino heifer farm restructures
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/community/CAFCA/cafca17/fi-2017.html
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/308468/tgg-ownership-change-likely-to-fuel-takeover-speculation
July 2017
‘Oxford dairy farm sold to overseas interests for $18.2m
The overseas-owned company, Craigmore Dairy II LP, is part of the wider Craigmore Farming Group, founded by farm financier Forbes Elworthy, son of the late Sir Peter Elworthy.
‘Elworthy also obtained an MBA from Harvard University and became involved in financing.
He and partner Mark Cox set up a series of farm owning companies under the name Craigmore and promoted them to investors in New Zealand and overseas.
They include dairy, grazing and horticultural farms spread over 15,000 hectares, with a similar number of cows, and some of the largest recent dairy conversions in South Canterbury.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94279420/oxford-dairy-farm-sold-to-overseas-interests-for-182m
This adds to the farms Carigmore bought in 2014
‘The three farms west of Oamaru – Arnmore (328 hectares), Windsor (428ha) and Waiareka (403ha) – have been bought by Craigmore Sustainables, which acts as a fund manager for the Craigmore Farming Partnership and the Craigmore Forestry Fund.’
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9637560/Craigmore-buys-three-farms
Elworthy family fronts foreign investors buying kiwifruit orchards
South Canterbury’s Elworthy family heads a multi-national syndicate which has bought 17.5 hectares of kiwifruit orchards in Te Puke.
Craigmore Permanent Crop Limited Partnership is a mini-United Nations of German, Hong Kong, Swiss, British, Finnish, American and New Zealand investors which has been given the green light by the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) to buy the Hayward and kiwiberry orchards.
The parent company is Craigmore Sustainables, established in 2008 by businessmen and farmers, Forbes Elworthy and Mark Cox, and which has investments in dairy farms, apples, wine, and forestry.
Elworthy and his wife Bridget divide their time between the family property Craigmore in South Canterbury, and Wardington Manor in Oxfordshire. The couple were valued at $55 million on the latest Rich List; he is the son of Sir Peter Elworthy, a former Federated Farmers president.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/98865980/elworthy-family-fronts-foreign-investors-buying-kiwifruit-orchards
And there is more.
2015
Outfits called Pareora Dairy Limited and Somerset Dairy Limited sold 500ha at Pareora River Road to a partnership consisting of the UK, Irish, continental European and Scandinavian public (74 per cent).
The other deal is the sale of a 306ha beef and sheep farm at Rakaia Terrace Road, Hororata, owned by the Inch family trust.
The buyer is Southern Pastures Limited Partnership which is owned by interests from Sweden (58%), Luxembourg (22%), New Zealand (2.5%) and various (17.5%)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/71703049/______uniques_exceeded__
La Première Dame du Football
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/18098/Rugby-Australia-appoints-Raelene-Castle-as-Chief-Executive-Officer.aspx
The ‘Truckometer’
(RNZ Bizzniss News at 17:30 on Checkpoint)
Sounds like something ANZ’s former? Chief ‘economist’ (Someone Buggery) dreamed up.
I wonder if it includes the trucking ‘fundamentals’ going forward. Or merely traffic volumes without the full range of costs.