Open mike 14/10/09

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1. travellerev 1

   14 October 2009 at 7:15 am

   I like this open Microphone thingy,

   Today I would like to point out a few things about the war in Afghanistan and why we should get the heck out of there.

   1/ We should not be involved in wars in countries that do not have Democratic elections and we only serve to maintain the rule of a corrupt elite.

   2/ We should not be involved in a low level Nuclear war. To do so is to be involved in Genocide on a massive scale and as such it is a war crime of the worst kind.
   Not only that, our own troops are going to bring the dust home bringing 45 billion years of low level cancer inducing radiating nano particles. Exactly the kind of stuff New Zealand so proudly rejected.

   3/ We should not be involved in Wars were there are more mercenaries that regular armed troops on the ground, those wars are per definition war crimes of the worst kind as the Mercenaries have an interest in prolonging the war .

   4/ We should not be involved in wars were there is no clear purpose and exit strategy. First it was Osama bin Laden, then liberating Women, helping peasants and now were are helping with Democracy. Which as I pointed out earlier is a Fallacy since we are propping up a corrupt Government
   • Tim Ellis 1.1

     14 October 2009 at 9:17 am

     Have to wonder why NZ has been in Timor and Bosnia then Travellerev, since they weren’t very democratic either.

     Democratic, well run governments tend to be peaceful. They don’t tend to need military intervention.
     • travellerev 1.1.1

       14 October 2009 at 9:50 am

       You have to wonder indeed Tim,

       I know the people of Bosnia (I have friends there) didn’t like the Balkanization of Yugoslavia all that much and broadly see the destruction of what was the most successful socialist state with excellent healthcare and cheap public transport and high living standards not so much as the result of their ethnic differences but interference from NATO and the US and the CIA.

       One of the friends I refer too was Bosnian married to a Serb. Her husband committed suicide because he was afraid that as a military fighter pilot he would be forced to fight against other ethnicities to give but one example.

       As far as East Timor is concerned. There is evidence that Indonesia was given the go ahead for an invasion with the horrific mass murders as a result.
       Why? It turns out that East Timor wanted to be independent and the powers that be didn’t want that to happen.

       You may think the NZ troops there as “peacekeepers” but I’m sure the East Timorese think of them as part of the invasion troops.

       So yeah, you’d have to wonder.

       This is just more of the same Tim,

       No matter how you spin this we are involved in an unprovoked genocidal war of aggression against a Sovereign nation for their resources and as such we are involved in the worst war crime. Labour or National be damned. They took us there and are not taking us out and as far as I’m concerned the whole political top should be send to the Haque together with the Bush’s, Blair’s, Zarkozi’s, Merkel’s and even my own Prime Minister Balkenende (although Holland is pulling out it seems), the bloody corrupt lot of them.

       By the way your comment about Democracies usually not needing intervention is hilarious.
       We went in to help them get a Democracy yet we support a man who clearly stole the election.
       What’s more they fired the guy who wanted to fight corruption.
2. Tiger Mountain 2

   14 October 2009 at 7:39 am

   More media madness: it took two days for TVNZ to get around to acknowledging the Melissa Lee NZ on air ‘cash back’story, and today the NZ Herald in the ‘Paula Bennett’s daughter done for DIC’ item could not resist bundling in a mention of Annette King’s daughters vehicular incident several years back and even Ruth Dysons years old charge. As others have said, the msm has the institutional memory of a fruit fly when it comes to the important stuff like ETS and ACC.
3. Ianmac 3

   14 October 2009 at 10:19 am

   I wonder if the “insider trading” suggestion re the Rugby TV bidding, will have any legs? And the “arms length operational matter” excuse for not getting involved, yet involvement in overbidding?
4. BLiP 4

   14 October 2009 at 11:36 am

   Hasn’t exactly been a great time for our police. If they’re not getting caught drunk driving, they’re leaving people in custody to drown in their own vomit, or beating up cyclists. There’s not been much success nor, it seems, much action in the search for a missing missing student. There’s also questions about the value of chasing people down for minor offences, although I tend to think chasing down punks is not such a bad thing.

   Meanwhile, Crusher Collins seems happy enough to begin the privatisation of various police functions.
   • Ianmac 4.1

     14 October 2009 at 12:36 pm

     Blip.I think that our police force is great. I have every confidence that they have high standards and work hard to maintain them. So you get odd ones who stuff up. Like lightning, I expect the odds are minimal that we will fall foul of the odd rogue. Go the coppers! The alternative?
     • Tigger 4.1.1

       14 October 2009 at 4:18 pm

       Crimestoppers? Orwell would be proud.
     • BLiP 4.1.2

       14 October 2009 at 11:54 pm

       The alternative? What about a police force that deosn’t have a booze culture, a police force that doesn’t beat people up, a police force that looks for missing people, a police force that uses discretion when setting out on high-speed chases . . . a police force so trustworthy that there is no room for the private market to begin nibbling away at its core functions?
5. Kevin Welsh 5

   14 October 2009 at 4:07 pm

   I can’t wait for the World Cup next year in South Africa.

   With the amount of tax payers money NACT are prepared to throw around to get free to air rights to the Rugby World Cup, free to air coverage of the largest sporting tournament in the world should be a doddle.

   If New Zealand qualify next month, it will be hard to ignore 🙂
6. TightyRighty 6

   14 October 2009 at 4:21 pm

   just thought you’d all like to know. I made money on labour going down in the polls. it sort of made me understand all your viewpoints on socialism and unionisation, you know, blind ideological obsessions paying off handsome rewards.
7. jason 7

   14 October 2009 at 11:23 pm

   Just a thought I had in relations to the terrorist raids a while back Blip. I had a theory about the police at that time as it seemed they tended to be putting the heat on Labour. Colleagues of mine also suggested that the police may have been unhappy about the Rickards and co trials earlier. We all seemed to agree that possibly the hierachy wanted to oust Prime Minister Clark for her part in bringing the police to account for their past misdemeanours. I found it strange during those times that the police tended to bungle a few things and the government wore the abuse because of them. The speeding motorcade comes to mind. Conveniently important documents left road side for people to find. A conspiracy maybe? I don’t know. All I can say is the police seemed to drop quite a lot of ball. Excuse the rugby pun at this time.
   • rocky 7.1

     14 October 2009 at 11:32 pm

     What a load of crap. Next you’ll be telling me my police spy for ten years ex was part of that same conspiracy. Funnily enough, I suspect he is one of the secret informants in the Oct 15 case.

     How about my house and many of my friends’ houses being raided by the police for peaceful protests in 2003/2004? Were they also part of that conspiracy?

     How about Labour being the ones to pass the stupid anti-terror laws and give more funding to new and existing anti-terror police units (including those my ex worked for and those that raided my house)?

     Has your conspiracy theory fallen apart yet?
     • travellerev 7.1.1

       15 October 2009 at 5:00 am

       How about it doesn’t make a jot of difference. Both parties get their marching orders from the international banking elite. The only difference perhaps is that Labour tries to minimise the damage and NACTional is lead by Oh oops, an international banker.
   • BLiP 7.2

     14 October 2009 at 11:56 pm

     I have my own theory about the Uruwera “Freedom Fighters” – how about the fact that because there are no genuine terrorists in New Zealand that the police have to make them up to justify the new laws and/or to impress their FBI-training providers?
     • lprent 7.2.1

       15 October 2009 at 7:26 am

       Pretty much what I think as well. It is a case for the police of using the powers or losing the budget.

       With the Uruwera lot, this shows. The police are likely to get badly rapped over the knuckles by the courts because there appears to be very little, if anything, in their cases (from what I’ve seen). However their techniques for collecting information appear to be highly illegal and morally dubious.
8. gingercrush 8

   14 October 2009 at 11:26 pm

   Very disappointed that there will be no revisiting the Peter Ellis case. National and Labour should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

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