Thought experiments have been part of the praxis of physicists the past century so the technique ought to work in politics too. You start with an hypothesis. For instance, that the Three Kings suburb of Auckland was thus named due to a prophecy that one day Aotearoa would be ruled by three kings simultaneously.
A tad unlikely? So is most of physics. King Charles III is one contender, obviously, and the Maori king another. Sir John Key attempted to out the third recently: the hermit king of Aotearoa. Privacy law protects his anonymity, of course, but there has been the threat of investigative journalism in the past. Nowadays nobody is going it (with the possible exception of the old bald-headed geezer David Lomas) so the royal hermit need no longer fear exposure.
We know how everyone loves royals – ubiquitous featuring in women's mags always reinforces the point. A possible invalidation of the triumvirate theory is the tight definition of rule, so we go with the looser option: rule by influence rather than rule by decree. Mana. Advice. Guidance.
Trump drove a stake through the heart of the Republican vampire, so that threat is gone. The republican movement never took root here anyway. Not part of our ethos. So I anticipate a collegial arrangement in which the three kings consult in a suitable venue and then hold audience to proclaim their consensual view of the political trajectory of the nation. Makes sense to put the venue in the suburb of Three Kings. If you see a developer knocking down current buildings on a block there, let me know. The palace needs to be grand – perhaps a design competition will attract global expertise? Great for tourism too. Oh, wait…
How about Westpac (or is that CBA)? They seem to have a pretty tight hold on the NZ government's purse-strings:
The All-of-Government Banking Services solution has been broken into four Services Agreements:
Crown Transactional Banking Services;
Foreign Exchange Services;
Payment Services; and
Card Services.
Westpac has been appointed to supply services across all Services Agreements. We are the only provider that can enable access to the savings of all Services Agreements.
We know how everyone loves royals – ubiquitous featuring in women's mags always reinforces the point.
Ah the royals. The gloss should be turning to rust. But I guess charlie, willie and georgie fit the bill for out-dated concepts while still attempting to be relevant.
I wonder why the reporter felt the need to reveal that she was somewhat alienated by the fact that Charles "had his Aston Martin converted to run on “surplus English white wine and whey from the cheese process”.
Does the notion of fossil-fuel avoidance piss her off? Or was it the notion that English white wine is surplus to requirements? You can imagine how she felt at having to report on "a withering assessment from Prince William on the various billionaire space programmes". Due to their use of fossil fuels, I presume.
How can an enterprising reporter continue to support the establishment when those at the top of the hierarchy are so keen on being subversive? I bet she has to keep clutching her pearls when trying to cognite the thought.
Friday’s big news, however, is that the Queen has been overheard at the opening of the Welsh parliament yesterday expressing frustration with the pace of concrete action on climate change. According to Her Maj, who is still in the dark about which world leaders are going to show up to next month’s big conference in Glasgow, “It’s really irritating when they talk, but they don’t DO.”
Almost as if Queenie is starting to connect the dots, eh? And
is this the same Queen whose lawyers very recently lobbied the Scottish government in secret to change a draft law to exempt her private estates from a major carbon-cutting initiative ? Yes. Yes, it is the same Queen. As a result of this, the sovereign is the only landowner in the whole of Scotland who doesn’t have to facilitate renewable energy pipelines on her various estates in the country.
Ha! Reporter ought to have recalled that Queenie was brainwashed into the Church of England as a child. Christians do hypocrisy way better than anyone else on Earth. She's just toeing the party line automatically. Dots not connected.
Her critique does have merit though. Charles ought to appoint an ethics advisor to his considerable staff. He's led by example admirably most of his life but as trainee king he needs to clean up the authenticity angle.
So this wasn't an empty threat, and the clock is ticking until Tuesday evening!
The letter from Tam’s barrister Ron Mansfield, QC, sent this morning called on Peters “to honestly account for your false comments about him [Tam] and the harm that those comments have caused him and the community”…
The letter requests a public statement of apology by 5pm on October 19 to avoid further defamation action which would seek damages. Tam intends to donate any such damages to KidsCan charity…
“In doing so, you were prepared to defame Mr Tam. Even worse, as far as Mr Tam is concerned, you were prepared to damage his ability to be effective within our community to ensure that his immediate community was vaccinated and safe,” the letter says.
“Mr Tam believes that if we are all vaccinated we protect each other, personally and financially. This Government had the political courage to communicate with gangs and risk ill-informed public backlash and by doing so everyone has and will benefit.”…
The legal letter says Tam simply wants a retraction and an apology from Peters in an “agreed form” that could be distributed by all New Zealand media.
“He [Tam] had hoped, now that you know you were wrong, that you may have done so honourably by now,” Mansfield writes.
“Sadly, it appears you are content to let this falsehood spread. Your apology should be made publicly by you in person and available to all mainstream media.”
Peters isn't going to be able to get out of this one with a; sorry you were so sensitive and got offended by my words, brushoff. The putting it in terms of; sabotaging the vaccine rollout in hard to reach populations, was pretty smart of Tam and Mansfield. But is Peters physically able to apologize to an unperson such as Tam, or will he choke on his words? Popcorn time!
Well, that seems to answer the question will Tam really go thru with a defamation action if he doesn’t get a public apology & a retraction from Peters.
This is the typical groundwork for a defamation case. Should be interesting. More work for Brian Henry, I expect.
Has Winston ever apologised for public utterances he had no proof for? Can’t recall any at the present time. He may have to fess up 🙏🏼 or pay up 💵💰❓
If Harry really is as pure as the driven snow on this matter – which this letter is a strong indication is indeed the case – then Winston Peters definitely fired off his volley in completely the wrong direction.
But it does perhaps beg the question: “Who loaded & cocked Winston’s gun? And why?
Slater would be my guess, but I am not about to go toshing in his sewer to find out:
“The social media sites that made this claim have no credibility and also did not refer to any credible basis for making such a claim. When you claimed that you were certain of your source, you simply lied,” Mansfield writes.
The cute little sparrow hen the Sparrer Farno sent to perch two feet in front of me, when I was standing at the fence looking down at the stream, to ask when lunch was being served at Gezza’s Bird Café.
One just out of interest, as imagine the majority of people on here are half/fully vaxed already. An extremely rough and amateur survey of the Standard posters.
Are you going to actively (and not accidently put the channel on) watch the vaxathon?
My vote is I will be avoiding the thing like the plague as its cheesey as btw. Just a photo shoot for politicians and an embarrassing day for other kiwi celebs, who genuinely want to help but will end up looking a bit silly.
Having said that. If it gets another couple of 10k vaxed, cheesey as, or not. It can only be a good thing in the long run.
And it is has a certain funny factor, that it was John Keys idea., he got slagged off for on here.
No Im not going to watch it. I dont really like circuses either, and felt queasy, hanging back at lolly scrambles as a kid.And it’s a beautiful day here.I’m not going to waste it in front of the telly
BTW. The Vaxathon was not bloody well Keys idea. Many others were suggesting it months before Key was re-excavated from the grave.
If it works, all good.
National party politicians have made a practice of suggesting things that they knew were going to happen anyway, and taking credit for it. Another type of dis honesty they seem to think is acceptable.
The thing looks like it is working out pretty well so far.
No one can seriously be that defensive that the idea came from another team when Ardern is the one that achieves the success from it (assuming it will carry on being one throughout the day)
That is just hate for things that is pointless hating
I think that despite her failings Clark was a good PM. Despite Keys failings Key was a good PM. Despite her failings Ardern is a good PM (with the only side note of her never actually answering questions in interviews and well trained PR speak).
I don't feel the need to call any of them names. If you do. All good.
with the only side note of her [PM Ardern] never actually answering questions in interviews
"Never"? Typical partisan hyperbole. Imho 'Honest John' was ever the political dilettante – never ‘dirtied’ his hands. Unlike the current 'leader' of the National party – no love lost there.
After nearly two years of Adern "answering questions" openly, honestly and with precision and a myriad of facts at her fingertips, that have been addressed to her with a mysoginistic, ignorant hostility Key never had to face…………..
Facing up to people, I use the word in it’s broadest sense, like O brian, Wall, Hoskings and Garner, who seem incapable of comprehending what they heard five minutes ago, would test a Saint.
V's Key, who I actually give some credit to, for things like raising welfare payments for the first time for a while, and avioding the pressure from within his party to go for destructive austerity in the GFC as the right wing did elsewhere, was a Master of deflection and burying a question in "o shucks" verbiage. Helped by interviewers whose fawning over the wealthy Hero, was embarrassing.
Sorry Drowsy but working on tiny lap top and can't actually read the images for Collins
Lets face it. I think you have to admit both Key and Ardern are one offs in their generations even if you irrationally hate Key.
I just found Key actually answered questions more often rather than rambling PR.
Trying to remember what Ryan Bridges opinion was. Not his words, but it was something like she could talk the arse off a donkey and not say anything. And I tend to agree. But then that deserves respect as it is a very good skill. And to do it and still have dumb people thinking you are ace is an even better one.
My own, which I put down to me being probably having a bug, or basically just a weirdo, with first aside (probably shouldn't have mentioned)
I have said it before, but the amount of times I have heard from various sources the second vax is a sorer arm or slight nausea was getting a bit silly, given it is only 24 hours or so.
Geezes she aint a broken arm. It is just a bit of discomfort for 24 hours in most cases and sorted. Get over yourself.
It was more the loss of mental clarity that made even simple addition challenging for a day or two (let alone any statistical analyses) that I found difficult with my second vax. I made the the mistake of having my first vax in my dominant arm, which did mess me up some. The second I had in my non-dominant (submissive?) arm, and barely noticed that unless I needed to reach something up over my shoulder level.
When you have a good chuck, you always feel better afterwards. The nausea appears to be sorted.
I had my second jab yesterday in my L arm. 2 weeks ago I had an iron infusion in R arm, (needle connected to the line is in for an hour). Crazy where the needle went in for the iron infusion the sight became sore 2 days before the second Covid jab. No issue with any previous lines.
TBF even if it stayed at 47 thou that is 47 thou that may not have been vaxed, so can only be a good thing and well worth the cheesiness.
Good idea Key.
(I am working on the assumption that people realise I am pointing out the Key bit for a laugh as it looks like a good day vax wise and we could do with a laugh, given the circumstances. That and it will annoy people 🙂 )
was it keys idea? I very much doubt it. like the walkways to provide jobs, others thought of it but key was the headhoncho at the time, so took the credit. I doubt key has ever had an original idea, while in politics. all of his ideas came from focus groups.
Think all these ideas come from focus groups, and committees. MPs just get to suck the good PR from the ones that work they happened to be associated with.
Mind you Key is just a (nz standards) mega rich dude, retired apart from boards and is hanging out, so might be an exception and could be his own one.
Professor John Potter, epidemiologist and former Chief Science Adviser to the MOHNZ, who Kim Hill has just finished interviewing this morning on RNZ, says that NZ should continue to pursue Covid elimination, and that this is possible while we have it ringfenced in Auckland.
In his opinion the alternative is much worse. Auckland needs to go back to L4 for the sake of all of NZ.
I'm in Auckland and have had my two jabs, and after this weekends big vaxathon everyone that wants one will have had a first jab. Four weeks later they would have had both. So I'm happy to go to level 2 say 1st of December.
Yes and with everyone double jabbed the cases will be very mild with very few requiring hospitalisation. And we can go back to living more normal lives like the rest of the world.
we should also be counting long covid and the impact of that cumulatively over the medium and long term. How many people in Invalid's benefit can NZ support? What's the impact on workplaces? What's the impact on families?
Estimates of long covid vary from 10% of people with covid (MoH) to something like 30% (internationally).
There was a good article the other day, (sorry don't have the link…in fact may have been an advert in NZ Herald) about the number of women who do not know yet that they have breast cancer, due to many of these normal tests being put off due to Covid.
Yes agreed. So first jab today, second jab on or around 13th November, and two weeks later around 27th November you're at your most immune so level 2 from 1st December?
One thing we should be doing immediately and ongoing is addressing where L4 is so hard for some people.
Is it mental health impacts? Teach resiliency skills. Is it being stuck home with the kids? Build more outside spaces and systems that take the pressure off.
Is it not being able to socialise? Build better online platforms.
Is it related to poverty? Raise benefits, bring in a GMI, cash payments to people really struggling.
Is it the stress of such a big change to daily life? Redesign societal expectations to include down time as a health promoting practice, and put in the things that support that rather than just leaving people to sort it out.
I cannot see how we can stop having periodic lockdowns given the vaccine is partial protection and wanes over time, and there will be new variants.
anyone who is not on a government stipend of sorts, or who can work from home fulltime, does not yet understand the stress that comes with having a business in these times – and a lot of businesses are impacted from tourism to dentistry, the stress that comes with having an essential worker at home – if they get covid the household gets it, the stress of losing a job – retail, front of house, office cleaning, etc etc – often low paid and female orientated, the stress of living 11 to a 3 brdm home with several kids and adults, and then also the limited funds for say food, netflix – as the only option of entertainment, etc.
And we are social animals by an large, so for people who don't mind mingling being alone or cramped into a small space with many but no way out can be a very distressing situation.
And unless we are actually addressing these issues i don't think much is going to change. There will be rolling lockdowns, and people will break these lockdown rules.
Maybe the govt should look at the rehabilitation of Marie Jeanne once more.
I'd put poverty, cultural issues and overcrowding high in the list to attend to. But yeah, special attention to business as well.
What you say points also to the need for regionally and locally designed solutions. Obviously South Auckland hits the big three, and will have additional ones. Rural South Island is going to be different from there and from Chch and Dndn. Regional NI will be different from regional SI. Climate will make a big difference.
Timeframes matter too. Hard to solve overcrowding in the short term, but not so hard to redesign outside public spaces quickly. Pair that with poverty relief and positive education on adapting.
Would love to know the demographic and motivation break down of people attending the protests. That would tell us a lot too.
We need to understand that one can not lock up almost a third of the country for any lenght of time and not think that this will affect others.
Many of us are simply there because we are stubborn and also because we can't just all give up and stand there and let our towns die. And make no mistakes, our towns are dying. Slowly but surely, and the most affected of this are women and their jobs, and yet we don't want to talk about that at all. No siree!
And if you look at the protests, also look at the funerals – there was one in the south island a day before the tamaki protest with a hundred people in their ars and burn outs and what nots , and illegal gatherings in homes, the soft undermining of rules by people simply out and about waiting in line and going to the beach. I mean do you think you are much safer from Covid while standing in line at Supermarket then you are in an illegal protest? One mass gathering is permitted the other is not..
It is easy for many to bash the Tamakis of this world as they are brash and out there, we don't seem to like however to apply the same standards to people that don't look like that particular crowd.
And last, so what if we all get the jab, we drop all restrictions, and overload our healthcare sector because despite being injected we still get the disease, carry and spread it, and if unlucky enough become either a long hauler with various ailments or die.
To me the lack of an open and honest discussion of what can and can not be permitted is one issue, the pretense that we can have mass gatherings and concerts because we are jabbed makes no sense. But that is just me.
I think a lot of people are in for a shock next year when things don’t return to the normal they want.
not sure if NZ will succumb to containment fatigue and be resigned to death and disability instead.
funerals and supermarket shopping carry very different risks, I don’t see them as comparable. Happy agree there’s a problem with the vax concert thing, we will see how that works out.
funerals/supermarket shopping do carry different risks, but last year during the BLM demos, it seems that the risk was acceptable. Maybe we don't like the risk because we don't find it acceptable. So what is an acceptable risk to someone who lives in the ignored suburbs vs the posh and leafy suburbs of our elite?
and fwiw, it is n
ot only Auckland that suffers with the restrictions on Auckland, the whole south island is feeling the lack of people – most people of the north island live in Auckland, and it trickles down to the businesses also, but here we are pretending its only Auckland.
funerals/supermarket shopping do carry different risks, but last year during the BLM demos, it seems that the risk was acceptable. Maybe we don't like the risk because we don't find it acceptable. So what is an acceptable risk to someone who lives in the ignored suburbs vs the posh and leafy suburbs of our elite?
Not sure what your point is there. BLM protest in NZ was a bad idea and badly done, early in the pandemic before NZ knew better. And it was Level 2. I said at the time that I thought it was a bad move.
Everyone has their personal feelings about risk and how they assess it. Fortunately we have a reasonably competent government doing the risk assessments for the collective. Lots I disagree with them on in that, but there's still a big material difference (i.e. not based on feelings) between going to a funeral and going to the supermarket.
I guess the point i am trying to make is that what is acceptable might be different to some that can work from home full time with full pay, and those that are forced to stay home at wage subsidy level with full costs and those that get to go to work as essential workers with the full risk of catching covid and transmitting it to their households.
Thanks Sabine – that's a really interesting article.
“The current death rate is equivalent to over 40,000 people a year dying of Covid [in the UK]. This is not normal,” he said.
“The government has abandoned all pretence at public health measures to control Covid. It’s a national scandal, but one which seems to have largely slipped from view.”
Given NZ's spectacularly low per capita number of Covid-related deaths so far, I’d hope the team will have a low tolerance for increases in the 'death rate', and still be relatively accepting of Covid death mitigation measures.
Since those deaths will be very highly concentrated among the vaccine refusers, and the lockdowns really really are severely fkn onerous, my acceptance of being locked down is dropping very rapidly.
We are not vaccinating to prevent people from dying, we are vaccinating to prevent our underfunded, understaffed and under resourced medical complex from falling apart.
So what is going to happen when you have your 90% vaccination rate, but your hospitals are still not coping and any other medical procedures cancelled for lack of beds – even if not ICU beds?
This 'vaccination' does not give immunity, in fact you will need booster shots – Israel is currently at the second booser shot for those that got vaccianted earlier this year or late last year, how many booster shots a year do you think you can force down?
disclaimer, i am 'vaccinated', i wear my maks full time at work and when outside, i am still fully on contactless business and will be so for a long time coming.
@Sabine: I'm well aware of what's coming at our medical system, having a cousin and her husband, both hospital doctors, living through it in the US.
I think the best answer for that is setting up tents in the far corner of hospital parking lots as unvaccinated covid patient wards. Then when triaging becomes necessary, unvaccinated covid patients are first on the list to get triaged out to the tents.
That's the brutal reality of what's likely to be necessary to preserve some capacity to care for those that need help for other issues that weren't easily and safely preventable by a simple vaccine.
@Andre (11:32 am): I can assure you, neither am I, "lockdowns really really are severely fkn onerous" notwithstanding. It boils down to personal thresholds, informed by experience, circumstance and ‘team spirit’.
Tbh, your brutal “best answer” (@12:04 pm) fills me with unease.
This meta-analysis does seem to bear out your contention that some of us are more social animals than others; Sabine:
Human mobility and daily SARS-CoV-2 infection rate were significantly associated with the change in major depressive disorder and anxiety disorder prevalence (table 1). After controlling for human mobility and daily SARS-CoV-2 infection rate, daily excess mortality rate was not associated with the change in prevalence for either major depressive disorder or anxiety disorders…
For both disorders, females were affected more than males, and younger age groups were affected more than older age groups.
I find it fascinating that we as a species seem to be more afraid of infection than death itself. Though, as the researchers themselves note: This was likely due to high collinearity between the daily excess mortality rate and the other two COVID-19 impact variables.
There seems to be a strong increase in both anxiety and depression from; decreased human mobility, to; increased infection rates (Depression; 0.9 to 18.1 B values respectively, with no Uncertainty Interval overlap at 95% range. Anxiety; 0.9 to 13.8 with no UI overlap). So opening up a region before elimination is achieved may be counterproductive if your intention is to reduce adverse mental health effects.
Weka….I can see sense in all of this….I think we have to throw money at all of the issues associated with L4 lockdowns.
I know that this is expensive and will not cure all the issues but it might well get NZ through Covid-free until a sterilizing vaccine emerges where Covid is not passed on at all by infected people.
This is how the measles vaccine works, for example.
Giving up and allowing Covid to spread through NZ when this goes not need to happen (see my reference to Professor John Potter above) doesn't make any sense.
The government needs to go back to elimination NOW while it still can.
I think we should be merging covid response with climate/eco response. Long term thinking, mitigation and adaptation, relocalise and focus on improving supports. If we get a sterile vaccine, that’s the icing on the cake. We shouldn’t rely on that.
Its seems lockdowns will have some very long reaching and long term consequences. This study shows some pretty scary effects with regards the devolpment of babies, down to a lack of social interaction (mums groups as an example) at a critical time and stressed parents. This study covers what is a weathy middle class cohort.
Thanks will take a look. How is this different from what a whole lot of people were experiencing before covid? Best we get on with helping us all. We can’t control covid, we can control what sort of society we build.
The results are from a longitudinal study so show a clear difference.
But for a start the study shows how vital socializationfor human development so we need to stay very community based.
Also that putting parents under extreme stress leads to poor out comes for children but we already know that I think and we arnt really prepared to actually do much about it.
Also read a different study that talked about the effect of mask wearing on development of children at school. The lack of social ques from expression is a big problem. Will try to find a link
No, I mean that before covid there were a whole lot of people raising their kids in less than optimal ways (poverty, disability etc). Now the middle classes are also affected. Instead of blaming covid response, we should be looking at how to help be ok no matter what the conditions. We can and should be adapting around this.
Spinoff Ed: "Elimination was not only a successful health and economic strategy, it was something we all did together and mostly agreed upon… The policy was overwhelmingly popular across the political spectrum."
Unification of the nation as transitional phase, he's on about.
It has become clear that there was no real plan for post-pandemic life, with a slow initial vaccine rollout, constrained MIQ capacity and lack of finished policy on vaccine mandates or passports particularly confounding.
Confounded reality, getting in the way of mass perceptions.
Beyond that, the end of nationwide elimination also exposes a large number of potential faultlines that its unifying halo concealed, each of which contains potential for division and tension, the likes of which have been common overseas
Faultlines is a nice change from bogeymen, eh? Kinda more rarefied a notion, almost intellectual even.
Yesterday morning the director general of health, Ashley Bloomfield, confidently opined that businesses could require their employees to be vaccinated based on their health and safety obligations. If they were unsure, he said they should consult a lawyer. This appears to be bad advice – no lawyer will give a definitive answer on this, because they’re waiting for definitive guidance from the government. In any case, asking hundreds of thousands of businesses to seek costly advice as individuals rather than providing definitive legal cover as the state seems a colossal waste of precious time and money.
Market or state? Whatta conundrum. Thought that issue got settled back in the '80s. Better roll out Roger Douglas in his wheelchair to sort it. But maybe competing legal opinions is just what everyone needs? I know: ask Pipsqueak. He's sitting on the prospect of displacing the leader of the opposition. Oughta be gung ho to proclaim the new reality.
The state should legally mandate vaccinations, with listed exceptions, & residual vested authority for the Minister or DGH to approve special exemptions. Imo.
Likewise. Unsure if the North Korean option is sufficiently stealthy tho. Could get business leaders declaring a shift in stance: "Communism isn't as bad as we thought. State control blended with business leadership is the way to go. If China can do that, we can too." So I think Key was wrong to point to North Korea. China is the model. Call it a public/private partnership to get traction via framing…
Well, govts are supposed to ensure public safety. That duty is as traditional as they get – goes back centuries. Unsurprising any would not respond to public calls for moral responsibility to be enforced on the issue. I see the irony in the situation (as ought to be clear from my prior comments) but governance that actually works defeats irreverent commentary anytime…
Probably not but we ought to allow Bloomfield time to figure it out. If the trend of spread continues to escalate, we get a negative viability. If the control strategy works, the contagion numbers will trend back down. It's a matter of time.
Probably not without using Chinese and North Korea levels of compulsion. Y'know, welding peoples doors shut on their homes.
It seems clear that covid is now in communities that aren't going to pay any attention to level 3 and level 4 rules. There's a lot more of those communities than just gangs and poor brown folks that are unfairly getting blamed right now. So going back into level 4 really isn't going to eliminate covid.
There's also the factor that a strong majority of over 12s in Auckland are already double-vaxxed. Getting locked down again after having done all the individual actions one can possibly do, in order to protect those that refuse to do a really minimal action to protect themselves and the community, simply feels horribly unjust.
There probably isn't a broad social license for another round of level 4, and even if there still was, it wouldn't last anywhere near long enough to actually achieve elimination against Delta.
Compliance is the issue and this requires personal responsibility. Non compliant people are the spoilers. Their impulse gets the better of them. There would be a common denominator in non compliance such as not coping with lockdown. Coping with high Covid cases is going to be far worse.
Gina Peddy, the executive director of curriculum and instruction for Carroll independent school district in Southlake, made the statement while giving teacher training on which books classrooms can stock. The training came after the Carroll school board rebuked a fourth-grade teacher following complaints by parents about a book on anti-racism in her class.
What did Peddy say? “Make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives,” she can be heard saying on tape.
How did we get here? A new Texas law requires teachers who discuss “widely debated and currently controversial issues of public policy or social affairs” to examine the issues from diverse viewpoints without giving “deference to any one perspective”.
Texas governor Greg Abbott has said the law aims to abolish critical race theory in schools (an academic discipline not currently taught in US secondary schools)."
“Make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives,” she can be heard saying on tape."
Maybe she meant different perspectives on the way the holocaust was experienced e.g. a prison guard and a prisoner, a crematorium workers and a possessions sorter for example?
yeah-nah – to believe that, I'd have to credit her (or the lot of them) with good faith, historical knowledge, nuance and empathy.
I fully support covid vaccination .I am double vaxxed , from very early on , thus missing out on all the hoopla and spot prizes etc..I do not want to see our hospitals over run with acute covid cases, wear masks, sanitise, scan in religiously, comply with restrictions without bitching
But..Why weren't all the tools in the toolbox being utilised ?Why not vaccine plus treatment .I want both available
Here is Chris Leitch from Socal Credit, the only political party that advocated for Julian Assange's release in the last election campaign incidentally
There are many countries and states within countries who have done this with very good results.We are stuck with covid for the duration, and we can learn from other's successes in reducing severe illness and hospitalisation , and conversely where any pitfalls of home treatment may lie.
An example
This is John Campbell on the Uttar Pradesh.success for one Trigger alert. It includes the word ivermectin (as do the state provided home kits) Scroll on by if this provokes inflammation
The particularly dodgy Ivermectin study led by Dr Ahmed Elgazzar from Benha University in Egypt, published on the Research Square website last November has not done belief in the efficacy of the drug much good.
I would rather John Campbell concentrate on vaccination, mask wearing, track and tracing exclusively, until there are legitimate trials done on ivermectin, with supporting data.
That study has ben removed .A dodgy study, done for publish or perish reasons I presume, shouldn't close the subject.And Campbell constantly stresses mask wearing , vaccination etc.
There is plenty of epedemiological data that really should be looked at.But no, we've signed up to molnupiravir before the studies are over, and at huge expense
The blatant double standard is jaw-dropping. Cheap as chips Ivermectin with a stellar track record of safety over decades and billions of doses is slammed as 'dangerous' – while expensive new drugs with zero long term safety data are embraced as the new saviour.
Don't know, probably have a look see now and again but my take is that if bumps the vaccine uptake then it is doing its job plus people do have fun with the mad challenges etc.
Bloody hell Paddy Gower just said he hoped his pronOUnciation of some Māori word or other was correct. Then he repeated the same mispronunciation as mispronounciation.
The Education Department has a lot to answer for when even our newscasters like Gower are worried about their pronunciation of reo Māori when they are functionally illiterate in English! 😠
Re Bomber's rant "the continued death spiral of the National Party. I predict ACT will overtake National during the foolish Hate Speech debate next year." Sooner is likelier. Debating hate speech law ain't foolish, it's pragmatic. The issue has currency. Politicians must engage with prospective legislation.
Just how many transman have actually given birth and will give birth? The very vast majority some – my guess – 97.5% of all children born are born to 'women', and the rest would then be born to a TIF – trans identified female.
Speaking of Erasure, there are also NonBinary, amongst other, people to consider. I personally wouldn't be averse to; Pregnant woman and others, though I do know people who would claim than was literally Othering them (and it's kind of hard to disagree with that). Plus that's without addressing the imminent advent of Biobags (or similar IVF linked external uterine biotech), that is going to be more than slightly controversial!
Language formulations will continue to evolve apace, I don't even try to predict that nowadays. If an utterance can be understood by its intended audience, then it is effective; if it is ambiguous, then it should be changed. But sometimes different audiences need different language to engage them (eg Māori & Pākehā), though it is a weird experience to have to translate English into English (say; New York into Kiwi dialects, or even; cis into trans dialects). Respect for the intended audience seems to be the key to effective communication (though easier said than done).
I know I've said this before, but 'pregnant people' is the one language change I accept. It has nothing to do with trans (although language change benefits them), and everything to do with being a pregnant 15-year-old who felt that everything about being pregnant was for grown-ups.
As a result I didn't 'find out' I was pregnant for 7 months, when I fainted at work, endangering me and my child (of course I guessed/knew, but had no idea what to do). These 'hidden' pregnancies are not unusual in young teens. Inclusive language may help pregnant kids seek care earlier.
I'm not yet convinced. I've known a number of women who didn't know they were pregnant until a long way in, including a woman who didn't know until she went into labour. Some of those women didn't know because they were young and not in their bodies or didn't understand female reproductive anatomy and physiology. I think being disconnected from women's culture around sex and pregnancy is part of it too.
Rather than removing women's language, I'm in favour of adding in. So if there's a problem for teens, then we need to do public health messaging, services and education specific to them. Likewise trans men and NB females.
We can also go with all those things and just go with 'woman' meaning biological sex, and that includes young women (anyone able to get pregnant), and make sure that we actually provide services and culture for all of those women.
health, including public health messaging, is best delivered culturally appropriately.
women's rights are actually under threat and we have to retain our language in order to talk about that. The tweet about black people and slavery was a really good way of demonstrating this.
women's culture is a positive, creative force that shouldn't be messed with. This applies to other areas, but particularly to giving birth, where all sorts of factors influence pregnancy, labour, lactation and post-natal experiences and outcomes.
I'm not yet convinced. I've known a number of women who didn't know they were pregnant until a long way in
Fair call. But this is my voice …
Calling a young teen a woman is problematic to me. Both in terms of access to care and the ideas society has about what a women is, compared to a girl. What do you call a 14 year-old who is pregnant, a 12 y.o, an 11 y.o? It feels more than vaguely permissive for some males to redefine these girls as women just because they are capable of being impregnated. I’m not just talking about a teen boy partner here. To put it bluntly, as my partner says, ‘you’re giving paedophiles a green card’.
Girls (like I was) aren’t pregnant because everything it hunky dory in their lives. I’m quite sure I’m not unique in how I felt about being alone, isolated and excluded. I think not knowing you’re pregnant is rather different to wilfully denying pregnancy – which is the space I was in. I can only imagine how it would have worked out if I hadn’t been taken to a GP after fainting at 7-months pregnant.
women's culture [should be] a positive, creative force that shouldn't be messed with. This applies to other areas, but particularly to giving birth*
It’s not so much a positive force when you’re young and invalidated. If it’s a positive force, why are girls excluded in the language, which flows on to them feeling excluded in practice?
We can, and indeed should, take the public health steps you describe. But I fully believe language needs to be more inclusive to validate girls’ pregnancies and ensure, especially if they are unable to count on family support for information, they can reach out to health and maternity services.
I don’t believe it’s a lack of knowledge about biological and reproductive functions that is the problem. My experience suggests a lack of care, attention and consideration from adults who should know better is a bigger problem. Maybe the public health messaging (and societal/economic structures) should be at the adult, rather than the adolescent level here. I’ll put my hand up here as well and say I should have known more and done better when my own daughter was a teen.
So maybe we could use (the not so snappy phrasing) ‘pregnant women and girls’, as in Sabine’s comment below – and respect women’s rights and pregnant girl’s rights to be visible too.
What a difference it would make we could gather at-risks kids in a warm, mentoring hug like this teen teaching unit does, before they’re in difficult situations that lead to hidden teen pregnancies.
Because it is women and girls – irrespective of their own identification that are the ones falling pregnant. No transgirl will face a pregnancy, nor will a transwomen.
This is the same as people with vaginas. Transwomen can have neo vaginas. Transmen can have vaginas. Intersex people can have a vagina. Women and girls have a vagina. But and unless you specify which person with a vagina you are talking too, chances are that Transmen will continue to die of a totally preventable cancer due to not being spoken too. Ditto with non binaries.
Again, our sexed bodies – do not care one bit about our self identification. And if we don't care about appropriate language when speaking abut specific subjects than that can kill, and it has.
We are not pregnant people. We are pregnant women, to whom all of the worlds population has been born , all every single human since the dawn of time.
Maybe the issue really is that we actually don't speak to our young ones in terms that are understandable to them. And that involves clear language about what our bodies can and can not do.
Yes, some of them are so removed, and if you are 'trans identified' at a young age and only revered to as he/him why on earth would you think that much of that female biology applies to you? Many do get double radical masectomies and hysterectomies as soon as they can secure funding and are legally allowed to do so. But yes, recently there has been a few articles of transmen complaining that they don't get invites for pap smears- but only 'F' for female get invites, or that have died of cervical cancer because they refused to have pap smears. A young transman also was not diagnosed as pregnant but rather considered 'overweight' because the marker on 'gender/sex' was M.
One can identify as one cares, but one must still accept the basic biological concept of the two sexes and their differences, and their importance in the reproductive cycle.
Sometimes I wonder if we're heading towards disembodiment , whereby eggs are harvested, inseminated , gene edited, "improved" and grown on in a laboratory.Certain breeding stock will be retained,for their eggs and sperm, but the rest will be sexless semi cyborgs, untroubled by the messy business of sex and human reproduction
She was extremely frank and unapologetic about who she was. She was truly a great advocate for transexuals(her word) , and bloody witty, "I was born a stallion, became a gelding and ended up a mare(mayor)"
A strong person always willing to talk about her experience., and not trying to be anything but herself.
She converted my very conservative mother, who thought a great deal of her
She persuaded my mother of her genuineness,her warmth and charm,that such a person was above all a person and not the outlandish deviant my mother may have imagined
Sure, say pregnant women and girls (or pregnant females, but that feels a bit clinical). It wasn't until this discussion that I actually realised how, as a young teen, that more inclusive language would likely have made a difference to me.
Caitlin is saying it hasn't been approved as a treatment for covid.In the european and anglophone spheres .Which we take the most notice of it seems .Possibly because their cultures more closely resemble ours.
But it has most certainly been approved and used by health authorities in Mexico, Goa, Peru, Uttar Pradesh with good results.More controlled studies are needed, as causality can't be proved by epimediological findings.
Chris Leitch includes this link in his press release (Scoop, Social Credit)
And ivermectin in the doses used by those countries (12mg)has a proven safety record for humans.
When horse paste drowns out the quieter studies being undertaken right now, ivermectin is not getting a fair hearing .Messaging would be better to include, please be patient, we are undertaking studies, please do not resort to the available veterinary invermectin as they are calibrated for large mammals and will do you harm
All the horse paste stuff predisposes people to distrust what may very well turn out to be a useful adjunct to vaccines
Where Ivermectin will help a covid victim is by resolving any underlying parasite infestation they might have. In the countries / states you've listed this is a high likelihood. You could probably put the anti vax / oxycontin parts of US in the same category. Get rid of the worms and the individual is able to devote more resources to fighting the covid infection.
This is how Ivermectin is used in agriculture, either prophylactically to promote greater general health and production, or specifically as a first line treatment to help an ailing animal.
Direct antiviral effect in an otherwise healthy individual however is unlikely.
Everything has antiviral properties if you put the concentration up high enough. Those ivermectin tests in petri dishes just demonstrate that principle yet again.
The interesting question is whether a substance has sufficient antiviral properties at low enough concentrations to reduce harms caused by a virus without the substance directly causing undue harms to the organism we're trying to protect, ie us.
Where ivermectin fails is this regard is that 1) because of the way ivermectin is absorbed, it's simply not possible to reach high enough concentrations in a human to actually achieve antiviral properties, and 2) if those extremely high concentrations necessary for antiviral properties were somehow actually achieved, ivermectin would cross the blood-brain barrier and be neurotoxic.
These two facts are the likely explanation why well-designed and conducted clinical trials (eg Lopez-Medina in Colombia, and the TOGETHER trial conducted by McMaster University) have found ivermectin has negligible detected positive effect on actual covid patients. Whereas the trials that claim to have found beneficial effects are at best poorly conducted by highly biased practitioners producing unreliable and unrepeatable results, ranging to probable outright fraud from the likes of Elgazzar in Egypt and Carvallo in Argentina.
In the end, what's needed are well-designed, well-conducted studies producing reliable repeatable results from a reproducible treatment protocol showing substantial improvements over placebo or best standard-of-care. Nobody has yet done that with ivermectin.
It doesn't do anything for the nutters who are utterly unpersuadable in any case.
For those on the fence, it might show how ridiculous the unpersuadable nutters actually are, leading the fence-sitters to decide they don't want to end up on the side with the ridiculous nutters.
These aren't reasonable people. They're bored, selfish nobodies living the same nobody lives the rest of us live, with the wherewithal and nothing better to do to than to travel, gather, and behave like narcissistic toddlers, stamping their feet and yodeling you're not the boss of me!
And then they'll all go home, hop on their devices, log in, stroke themselves and declare that today, they showed da man who's boss!
Because behaving like reasonable people and acting collectively as a community to solve a collective, community problem is what?….too adult, too boring, not satisfying?
The democracy project seems to do a line in this. Children of ‘legal nullity’ concerned to teach the about tribal history and the like. They had an ode to the great Pacific historian Michael Bassett awhile back and now giving ACT publicity. The underlying takeaway goes back to the attitude of McCully taking about quizlings in the media: the media should be controlled by us constantly.
What is the current right wing blog/etc. eco-system like? I guess these things are much more fractured than they used to be with FB groups and other social media.
Are there dominant outlets post-00s Slater? Do particularly groups use particular sites?
An advisory panel of FDA unanimously recommended a booster dose of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine
The evidence shows the immunity provided by this vaccine is greater than that of Pfizer.
for those over 65 and for adults who are at high risk of severe illness because of underlying conditions or exposure on the job.
Committee members reviewed data that showed Moderna’s two-shot regimen remains robustly protective at more than five months after vaccination: 93 percent effective in preventing all virus-related symptomatic illness and 98 percent protective against severe cases.
To make the case for boosters, Jacqueline Miller, head of Moderna’s infectious-disease therapeutic area, presented data showing that six to eight months after vaccination, antibody levels dropped in vaccine recipients. A half-dose booster at least six months after initial vaccination restored those antibodies in a study of nearly 300 people.
Faafoi started well as a minister but seems unable to cope with judgment calls. Dunno if he just follows departmental advice due to fear of using his initiative or he just can't do appropriate decision-making. Seems a contender for reshuffle downwards.
Had a phone call today from a delightful young woman who explained she was phoning up folk to check in as to their wellbeing during the pandemic. Were we coping okay etc. She was earnest and sincere and we had a wee chat. Now I am a woman of older years with a few dings and dents picked up along the way and a cynic of some repute but I have to give her due she was a treat.
We chatted about history and the lack of learning from it. The lack of grit and stoicism which is not so fashionable a trait these days. The wars that have a seen enemy and the wars that have an unseen enemy, for example this pesky virus. Finally the lass eased the bible into the conversation which I sort of knew was coming. A God botherer but a sweet one. We chatted on for a bit and then she said to me "what do you think God would be saying to us right now" and I just replied "I think she would be saying "I think its high time you lot got your shit together". She had no answer. We hung up and I wished her well.
I think us older ones are coping about as good as we can be in the circumstances. Times like this its good to have some life history on board and strength of character to not be one of the me me generation. Just my thoughts.
Hope we get a good result today in the vaccine department.
On the afternoon of the big 1987 Edgecumbe shake I rang mum in Ohope.
All sorts of bother with the phones and finally someone answered, but not my mum. Of course I'd fat fingered it and rung the wrong elderly woman.
Turned out the not my mum woman had no power, was on her own and distressed so I thought bugger it, one of the others will ring mum, and we spent the next couple of hours on the phone getting along like a house on fire. I met not my mum and recieved a Christmas card from her every year until she died.
Brilliant story Joe90. I was in the school hall in Rotorua and all the glass belled and rippled. After a roll call outside we allowed the chn an early break. I rang my husband who was alarmed as he could not reach his parents in Whakatane 'till much later in the day later in the day. They were fine but friends who lived in Ohope on the hills lost half their house. It was not ever really repaired properly.
Tamaki has breached his bail conditions and must now be convicted.
It was reasonable for police to stand back in a large crowd and not make him a martyr in a volatile situation, but now there is no excuse. Arrest him at his home.
Vaxathon, Nearly 95 000 including 12 500 Maori is going well as some stations close at 3pm ish others 9.30pm ish So great. Final count available 1pm tomorrow (Sun) and perhaps how many first vaxers out of the total.
So no excuses for Waikato and Northland to return to level 2 Tuesday 23:59, and Auckland to move up the steps 3.2 then 3.3 and level 2 in 3 weeks time, or will that be amber under the traffic light system.
I was talking to my sister-in law in England and she was saying every one was having to have booster doses (A third one) and she had just had hers. Apparently after 6 months there.
We are starting to hit 6 months since our more vulnerable were rightfully put first in the queue, but (may just me me missing it) our govt isn't even mentioning booster doses.
Any brainier people than me know which govt is right? As tend to trust the UK one a bit as an overseas opinion
Edit: Sorry. Was only this morning I was talking to her, so may be a new thing
Boosters have been discussed, as the virologists know efficacy wanes, but they have discovered our immune systems still operate at a lower level, and do limit severity Can't think where I saw that…. Stuff?
But if England has decided everyone should have one after 6 months because the first to wear off, surely the govt here should at least be being slightly more vocal about it an prepping if true?
As best as I can make out, the peak of the bell curve of info seems to be that yes, immunity does wane. But not enough to be of concern for the huge majority of fully-vaxxed, at least not within a six-month-ish timeframe. So for that huge majority, six or eight month boosters wouldn't be of value. Maybe later, though, as more data comes in.
For the particularly vulnerable, boosters probably are of value sometime after the six-month timeframe. The particularly vulnerable might be around 15%ish of our population, and would only need one booster shot. So delivering boosters to those that would need them would be a much smaller operation than the current huge effort to double-vax our entire population.
It would probably kinda slide right in with the likely effort to vax our 5 to 11s likely coming towards the end of this year. If it turns out to be needed.
People are routinely charged for breaching bail conditions. Tamaki will be no different.
His bail conditions included that he "not organise or attend any protests in breach of any Covid-19 level requirement", and "not use the internet for the purpose of organising, attending or encouraging non-compliance with the Covid-19 Public Health Response Act 2020".
So he will be charged and then it's up to his lawyers to persuade the judge that what happened didn't actually happen.
The organisers, the freedom and rights coalition have a very carefully worded FAQ section on their website (and I imagine, on their many facebook sites – for each town the protests are to take place) about abiding by covid rules and behaviours on the so-called family picnics. Additionally stating"'Each family is however personally responsible for whether they abide or not."
They also tell people what signs to carry.
The site are easy to find, I'm not inclined to link to this bunch of shites.
I hope it's not enough to avoid prosecution.
they claim 30,000 across the country turned up, 6,000 in Auckland, cf Newshub's 2,000 – either way, clearly breaching covid restrictions.
My partner saw one setting up beside the Events Centre in Frankton today with a big 'toot for freedom' banner, said no one was tooting but lots of glares, raised middle fingers and downward thumbs form passing drivers. I went past the spot half an hour later and they had gone.
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Cleo Paskal writes – WASHINGTON, D.C.: ‘Many of us have received phone calls from [the opposing camp] telling them if they join the camp they will be given projects for their wards and $300,000 [around US$35,000] each’, says former Malaita Premier Daniel Suidani. The elections in Solomon Islands aren’t ...
With hindsight, it was inevitable that (a) Hamas would agree to the ceasefire deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar and that ( b) Israel would then immediately launch attacks on Rafah, regardless. We might have hoped the concessions made by Hamas would cause Israel to desist from slaughtering thousands more ...
Placards and mourners outside the Kilbirnie Mosque following the Christchurch terror attack: MSD has terminated the Kaiwhakaoranga service, which has been used by 415 families since the attacks. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: The Government’s pledge to only cut ‘back office’ staff rather than ‘frontline’ services is on increasingly shaky ground, with ...
There’s been a few smaller public transport announcements over the last week or so that I thought I’d cover in a single post. Fareshare I’ve long called for Auckland Transport to offer a way to enable employer-subsidised public transport options. The need for this took on even more importance ...
Parliament’s speaker had no option but to refer Green MP Julie Anne Genter to the Privileges Committee for her behaviour in the House last Wednesday evening. The incident, in which she crossed the floor to wave a book and yell at National Minister Matt Doocey, reflects poorly on Genter and ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
Who likes being sneered at? Nobody. Worse yet, when the sneerer has their facts all wrong, and might well be an idiot.The sneer in question is The adults are in charge now, and it is a sneer offered in retort to criticism of this new Government, no matter how well ...
When in government, Labour pushed to extend the Parliamentary term to four years, to reduce accountability and our ability to vote out a bad government. And now, they're trying to do it through the member's ballot, with a Four-Year Parliamentary Term Legislation Bill. The bill at least requires a referendum ...
A ballot for a single Member's Bill was held today, and the following bill was drawn: Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill (Hūhana Lyndon) The bill would prevent the government from stealing Māori land in breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It ...
Simeon Brown, alongside Wayne Brown, is favouring a political figleaf now in exchange for loading up tens of millions in extra interest costs on Auckland ratepayers. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is pushing back hard at suggestions from Local Government Minister Simeon Brown and Mayor Wayne Brown ...
Buzz from the Beehive One headline-grabber from the Beehive yesterday was the OECD’s advice that the government must bring the Budget deficit under control or face higher interest rates. Another was the announcement of a $1.9 billion “investment” in Corrections over the next four years. In the best interests of ...
Chris Trotter writes – Had Zheng He’s fleet sailed east, not west, in the early Fifteenth Century, how different our world would be. There is little reason to suppose that the sea-going junks of the Ming Dynasty, among the largest and most sophisticated sailing vessels ever constructed, would have failed ...
David Farrar writes – Two articles give a useful contrast in balance. Both seek to be neutral explainer articles. This one in the Herald on Social Investment covers the pros and cons nicely. It links to critical pieces and talks about aspects that failed and aspects that are more ...
The tikanga regulations will compel law students to be taught that a system which does not conform with the rule of law is nevertheless law which should be observed and applied…Gary Judd KC writes – I have made a complaint to Parliament’s Regulation ...
The future of Te Huia, the train between Hamilton and Auckland, has been getting a lot of attention recently as current funding for it is only in place till the end of June. The government initially agreed to a five year trial, through to April 2026, but that was subject ...
TL;DR: Hamas has just agreed to Israel’s ceasefire plan. Nelson hospital’s rebuild has been cut back to save money. The OECD suggests New Zealand break up network monopolies, including in electricity. PM Christopher Luxon’s news conference on a prison expansion announcement last night was his messiest yet.Here’s my top six ...
A homicide in Ponsonby, a manhunt with a killer on the run. The nation’s leader stands before a press conference reassuring a frightened nation that he’ll sort it out, he’ll keep them safe, he’ll build some new prison spaces.Sorry what? There’s a scary dude on the run with a gun ...
Hi,I know it’s been awhile since there’s been any Webworm merch — and today that all changes!Over the last four months, I’ve been working with New Zealand artist Jess Johnson to create a series of t-shirts, caps and stickers that are infused with Webworm DNA — and as of right ...
The OECD’s chief economist yesterday laid it on the line for the new Government: bring the deficit under control or face higher Reserve Bank interest rates for longer. And to bring the deficit under control, she meant not borrowing for tax cuts. But there was more. Without policy changes—introducing a ...
Te Pāti Māori is showing extreme concern over the Environment Select Committees adoption of a lucky dip draw to determine hearings for the Fast Track Approvals bill. Of the 27,000 submissions, 2,900 requested to present. All organisations will be heard; however, the remaining 2,350 submitters will be subject to a ...
Today New Zealand First will introduce a Member’s Bill that will protect women’s spaces. The ‘Fair Access to Bathrooms Bill’ will require, primarily in the interest and safety of women and girls, that all new non-domestic publicly accessible buildings provide separate, clearly demarcated, unisex and single sex bathrooms. This Bill ...
The Green Party is welcoming Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ continuation of Hon. James Shaw’s cross-party work on climate adaptation, now in the form of a Finance and Expenditure Committee Inquiry. ...
The National Government plans to cut 390 jobs at ACC, including roles in the areas of prevention of sexual violence, road safety and workplace safety. ...
The Government has been caught in opposition to evidence once again as it looks to usher in tried, tested and failed work seminar obligations for job-seeking beneficiaries. ...
The Green Party is welcoming the announcement by the Minister Responsible for RMA Reform Chris Bishop to approve most of the Wellington City Council’s District Plan recommendations. ...
David Seymour has failed to get the sweeping cuts he wanted to the free and healthy school lunch programme, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Hon Willie Jackson has been invited by the Oxford Union to debate the motion “This House Believes British Museums are not Very British’ on May 23rd. ...
Green Party MP Hūhana Lyndon says her Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill is an opportunity to right some past wrongs around the alienation of Māori land. ...
A senior, highly respected King’s Counsel with decades of experience in our law courts, Gary Judd KC, has filed a complaint about compulsory tikanga Māori studies for law students - highlighting the utter depths of absurdity this woke cultural madness has taken our society. The tikanga regulations will compel law ...
The Government needs to be clear with the people of the Nelson Marlborough region about the changes it is considering for the Nelson Hospital rebuild, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
Ministers must front up about which projects it will push through under its Fast Track Approvals legislation, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
“The results of the public consultation on the terms of reference for the Royal Commission into COVID-19 Lessons has now been received, with results indicating over 13,000 submissions were made from members of the public,” Internal Affairs Minister Brooke van Velden says. “We heard feedback about the extended lockdowns in ...
Foreign Minister, Defence Minister, other Members of Parliament Acting Chief of Defence Force, Secretary of Defence Distinguished Guests Defence and Diplomatic Colleagues Ladies and Gentlemen, Good afternoon, tēna koutou, apinun tru It’s a pleasure to be back in Port Moresby today, and to speak here at the Kumul Leadership ...
Health, infrastructure, renewable energy, and stability are among the themes of the current visit to Papua New Guinea by a New Zealand political delegation, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Papua New Guinea carries serious weight in the Pacific, and New Zealand deeply values our relationship with it,” Mr Peters ...
The coalition Government is launching Roads of Regional Significance to sit alongside Roads of National Significance as part of its plan to deliver priority roading projects across the country, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The Roads of National Significance (RoNS) built by the previous National Government are some of New Zealand’s ...
A high-level New Zealand political delegation in Honiara today congratulated the new Government of Solomon Islands, led by Jeremiah Manele, on taking office. “We are privileged to meet the new Prime Minister and members of his Cabinet during his government’s first ten days in office,” Deputy Prime Minister and ...
New Zealand voted in favour of a resolution broadening Palestine’s participation at the United Nations General Assembly overnight, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The resolution enhances the rights of Palestine to participate in the work of the UN General Assembly while stopping short of admitting Palestine as a full ...
Introduction Good morning. It’s a great privilege to be here at the 2024 Infrastructure Symposium. I was extremely happy when the Prime Minister asked me to be his Minister for Infrastructure. It is one of the great barriers holding the New Zealand economy back from achieving its potential. Building high ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins today announced the upcoming Budget will include new funding of $571 million for Defence Force pay and projects. “Our servicemen and women do New Zealand proud throughout the world and this funding will help ensure we retain their services and expertise as we navigate an increasingly ...
New Zealand’s ability to cope with climate change will be strengthened as part of the Government’s focus to build resilience as we rebuild the economy, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “An enduring and long-term approach is needed to provide New Zealanders and the economy with certainty as the climate ...
Jobseeker beneficiaries who have work obligations must now meet with MSD within two weeks of their benefit starting to determine their next step towards finding a job, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “A key part of the coalition Government’s plan to have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker ...
A new standalone Social Investment Agency will power-up the social investment approach, driving positive change for our most vulnerable New Zealanders, Social Investment Minister Nicola Willis says. “Despite the Government currently investing more than $70 billion every year into social services, we are not seeing the outcomes we want for ...
Check against delivery Good morning. It is a pleasure to be with you to outline the Coalition Government’s approach to our first Budget. Thank you Mark Skelly, President of the Hutt Valley Chamber of Commerce, together with your Board and team, for hosting me. I’d like to acknowledge His Worship ...
Your Excellency Ambassador Meredith, Members of the Diplomatic Corps and Ambassadors from European Union Member States, Ministerial colleagues, Members of Parliament, and other distinguished guests, Thank you everyone for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen - In diplomacy, we often speak of ‘close’ and ‘long-standing’ relations. ...
The Therapeutic Products Act (TPA) will be repealed this year so that a better regime can be put in place to provide New Zealanders safe and timely access to medicines, medical devices and health products, Associate Health Minister Casey Costello announced today. “The medicines and products we are talking about ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop, today released his decision on twenty recommendations referred to him by the Wellington City Council relating to its Intensification Planning Instrument, after the Council rejected those recommendations of the Independent Hearings Panel and made alternative recommendations. “Wellington notified its District Plan on ...
Rape Awareness Week (6-10 May) is an important opportunity to acknowledge the continued effort required by government and communities to ensure that all New Zealanders can live free from violence, say Ministers Karen Chhour and Louise Upston. “With 1 in 3 women and 1 in 8 men experiencing sexual violence ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government will be delivering a more efficient Healthy School Lunches Programme, saving taxpayers approximately $107 million a year compared to how Labour funded it, by embracing innovation and commercial expertise. “We are delivering on our commitment to treat taxpayers’ money ...
New research on the impacts of extreme weather on coastal marine habitats in Tairāwhiti and Hawke’s Bay will help fishery managers plan for and respond to any future events, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. A report released today on research by Niwa on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will lead a broad political delegation on a five-stop Pacific tour next week to strengthen New Zealand’s engagement with the region. The delegation will visit Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, and Tuvalu. “New Zealand has deep and ...
There has been a material decline in gas production according to figures released today by the Gas Industry Co. Figures released by the Gas Industry Company show that there was a 12.5 per cent reduction in gas production during 2023, and a 27.8 per cent reduction in gas production in the ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins tonight announced the recipients of the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for Industry, saying they all contribute to New Zealanders’ security and wellbeing. “Congratulations to this year’s recipients, whose innovative products and services play a critical role in the delivery of New Zealand’s defence capabilities, ...
Welcome to you all - it is a pleasure to be here this evening.I would like to start by thanking Greg Lowe, Chair of the New Zealand Defence Industry Advisory Council, for co-hosting this reception with me. This evening is about recognising businesses from across New Zealand and overseas who in ...
It is a pleasure to be speaking to you as the Minister for Digitising Government. I would like to thank Akolade for the invitation to address this Summit, and to acknowledge the great effort you are making to grow New Zealand’s digital future. Today, we stand at the cusp of ...
New Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...
A new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...
The Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...
Minister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...
New Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...
Six tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...
New Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...
The OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...
The Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The third Chalmers’ budget will deliver a surplus of $9.3 billion for this financial year – the second successive surplus of the Albanese government. This will be the first time there have been back-to-back ...
RNZ News A New Zealand pro-Palestinian protester who climbed onto the roof of the Christchurch City Council building has been handcuffed and taken away in a police car. About 20 protesters gathered near the Christchurch Art Gallery today. Officers were called to the scene near Worcester Boulevard about 11.20am, and ...
The Council for International Development (CID) presented a compelling case to the Finance and Expenditure Select Committees this week at Parliament, urging the New Zealand Government to significantly boost its Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Annette Greenhow, Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, Bond University In recent years, a growing number of professional athletes are medically retiring from sport, particularly in some of Australia’s most popular football codes. In April, Collingwood player Nathan Murphy, 24, medically retired ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anthony Scott, Professor of Health Economics, Monash University David Fuentes Prieto/Shutterstock Deciding whether to wait and see if your health condition improves or go to a GP can be a difficult task. You might be unsure about where to go, whom ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jess Carniel, Associate professor in Humanities, University of Southern Queensland Every year claims to be the most controversial year in the Eurovision Song Contest’s history, but it will take a lot to beat the 68th contest. The 2024 Eurovision contest, which took ...
A provision in the proposed fast-track law allowing previous court rulings against consents to be put aside would be a 'travesty of justice', they say. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Schmidt, Professor of Chemistry, UNSW Sydney Last week, a huge solar flare sent a wave of energetic particles from the Sun surging out through space. Over the weekend, the wave reached Earth, and people around the world enjoyed the sight of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Catherine Ordway, Associate Professor Sport Management and Sport Integrity Lead, University of Canberra Sport has a role to play in creating a culture of respect, yet women in sport are often seen as “less than” on almost every measure: salaries, sponsorship, broadcasting, ...
The Waitangi Tribunal’s summons to sitting Minister Karen Chhour as part of its inquiry into the Government’s plans to amend the Oranga Tamariki Act was lawful, the Court of Appeal has found. The ruling runs counter to a judgment by the High Court three weeks ago, in which Justice Andru ...
The PSA is holding a snap protest at 8am, Tuesday 14 May outside the National Library in Wellington against the decision to not continue funding digitising the national archives. ...
Ahead of the final episode of Fair Go, some of the show’s former presenters look back at what the iconic consumer affairs series meant to them. Fair Go, as former presenter Haydn Jones puts it, was “the show nobody wanted to appear on”. You either had to be ripped off ...
Didn’t see the amazing and exquisite southern lights over the weekend? You’re not alone: Shanti Mathias has some tips on how to cope. Not to gloat, but I had a very lovely weekend. I went for a long bike ride in the sunshine. I read a magazine on the back ...
At the time of the offending, Mr Ape ran Hoop Star Basketball Academy and submitted fraudulent grant applications that represented over $75,000 in fictitious costs. ...
Local authority financial statistics provide information on the annual performance of core non-trading activities of all New Zealand's territorial and regional councils. ...
Kāinga Ora’s debt problem is serious – but so is the urgent need for more affordable homes, says poverty campaigner Alan Johnson. As Kāinga Ora cancels projects and sells land previously earmarked for development, it’s clear that two issues are set to dominate the public housing narrative over the next ...
By Caleb Fotheringham, RNZ Pacific journalist A National Union of Workers (NUW) official is hopeful Fiji Water employees who have been on strike for almost a week will return to work shortly. Last Tuesday, a group of workers for Fiji Water went on strike over pay disputes at the multi-million ...
True to form, Wellington City Council’s consultation has been a flop. If they’ve been recording residents’ answers incorrectly, then the only option is to go back to the drawing board and start public consultations again from scratch. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Clement, Lecturer in Visual Art and McGlade Gallery Director, Australian Catholic University Tracey Clement, Impossible Numbers.Tracey Clement I slip the needle through a small loop of black thread, pull it tight and snip. Done. I have just tied off the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jochen Kaempf, Associate Professor of Natural Sciences (Oceanography), Flinders University Gonzalo Buzonni/Shutterstock From around 1996 to 2010, Australia was gripped by the millennium drought. As water shortages bit hard, most of Australia’s capital cities built large seawater desalination plants – Sydney, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Maria O’Sullivan, Associate Professor of Law, Deakin Law School, Deakin University Students have been protesting on university campuses across Australia for several weeks now, calling on their institutions to cut ties with weapons manufacturers supplying arms to Israel. Some have noted their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Steven Hail, Adjunct Associate Professor, Torrens University Australia Wolfilser/ShutterstockThis article is part one of The Conversation’s “Business Basics” series where we ask leading experts to discuss key concepts in business, economics and finance. For the most part, economists continue ...
Big business is pouring eye-watering sums into parties on the political right. Max Rashbrooke wonders what it’s getting in return. A couple of years ago, a National Party contact told me it had “never been easier” to get big donations from businesses. Anger about the Covid-era “fortress New Zealand” policy, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Erin O’Brien, Associate Professor, School of Government and International Relations, Griffith University University campuses around the world have become the site of tiny tent cities in recent weeks, with student activists protesting the ongoing conflict in Gaza. Though the protests on ...
In this extract from The Bulletin, Stewart Sowman-Lund looks at the proposed law and the ongoing concern about it. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. Where we’re at with the fast-track ...
The revamped school lunch programme is budgeting $3 per lunch, rather than the current $8. But is it really so simple to cut costs? Shanti Mathias investigates. Last week, associate education minister and Act Party leader David Seymour announced the government’s revamped school lunch programme, which will provide food to ...
Exactly 100 years ago, on the eve of another Paris Olympics, young Kiwi Gwitha Shand was the talk of the swimming world. The 19-year-old from Christchurch had broken the world record in the 440-yard freestyle multiple times leading up to the 1924 Olympics, and was described in newspapers as one ...
The New Zealand book trade is still reeling after the shock news that Penguin has axed its head of publishing. The redundancy comes just as the biggest week of the year in New Zealand literature is set to take place. The winners of the Ockham national book awards are announced ...
A rest home with a concierge, iced tea fountain, hybrid Jaguars to drive, and caviar on the menu. That’s not imaginary or from some far-flung country – it’s reality here in Aotearoa. Oceania Healthcare just officially opened ‘The Helier’ – a retirement apartment and aged-care complex in the Auckland suburb ...
The USA and China are beefing, Winston Peters is getting sued by some Australian guy, and Helen Clark and Don Brash are friends now? Here’s everything you need to know about Aukus but were too afraid to ask. What is Aukus?Aukus, which stands for Australia, the United Kingdom, and ...
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Asia Pacific Report About 1000 people in Aotearoa New Zealand gathered for a two-hour rally in central Auckland today and marched down Queen Street and returned to Aotea Square to mark the Nakba three days early — and protest over Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza. They called for an immediate ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra As it looks to an election next year when holding up Labor’s female vote will be vital, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has declared Tuesday will bring “a budget for mums and middle Australia”. “The primary ...
By Repeka Nasiko in Suva “Justice has won,” says Fiji’s acting Director of Public Prosecutions John Rabuku following the sentencing of former prime minister Voreqe Bainimarama and former police commissioner Sitiveni Qiliho. Speaking to The Fiji Times, Rabuku said that while they welcomed the judgment by acting Chief Justice Salesi ...
The foreign affairs minister has landed in Solomon Islands for the first leg of his Pacific tour, and an audience with the newly elected Prime Minister. ...
On an unusually hot night in January 2019, a little boy’s lifeless body was found face up in a small town’s sewage oxidation pond. To the police, it was an open and shut case: three-year-old Lachlan Jones had run away from his home in the Southland town of Gore, climbed ...
PNG Post-Courier New Zealand High Commissioner Peter Zwart and PNG Defence Minister Dr Billy Joseph welcomed a C-130 Hercules to Port Moresby this week to support Papua New Guinea’s response to the March 24 earthquake and recent severe flooding. “Papua New Guinea has requested New Zealand’s assistance to transport emergency ...
Grub Street King Luxon rode through the streets Of King’s Landing, and was troubled By the sight of hungry urchins in the mud. “Who would be the best of my Lords To deal with this negative optic?” He pondered. The answer came to him instantly. “Seymour!” he said to himself. ...
“The Bill does not provide environmental protection, good quality decision making, certainty, public participation or speed. It should be withdrawn.” ...
RNZ News Television New Zealand has breached its collective agreement with the E tū union when deciding on discontinuing programmes, the Employment Relations Authority has ruled. It was announced in March that 68 staff members who work for news programmes Midday and Tonight, consumer justice programme Fair Go, current affairs ...
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Thought experiments have been part of the praxis of physicists the past century so the technique ought to work in politics too. You start with an hypothesis. For instance, that the Three Kings suburb of Auckland was thus named due to a prophecy that one day Aotearoa would be ruled by three kings simultaneously.
A tad unlikely? So is most of physics. King Charles III is one contender, obviously, and the Maori king another. Sir John Key attempted to out the third recently: the hermit king of Aotearoa. Privacy law protects his anonymity, of course, but there has been the threat of investigative journalism in the past. Nowadays nobody is going it (with the possible exception of the old bald-headed geezer David Lomas) so the royal hermit need no longer fear exposure.
We know how everyone loves royals – ubiquitous featuring in women's mags always reinforces the point. A possible invalidation of the triumvirate theory is the tight definition of rule, so we go with the looser option: rule by influence rather than rule by decree. Mana. Advice. Guidance.
Trump drove a stake through the heart of the Republican vampire, so that threat is gone. The republican movement never took root here anyway. Not part of our ethos. So I anticipate a collegial arrangement in which the three kings consult in a suitable venue and then hold audience to proclaim their consensual view of the political trajectory of the nation. Makes sense to put the venue in the suburb of Three Kings. If you see a developer knocking down current buildings on a block there, let me know. The palace needs to be grand – perhaps a design competition will attract global expertise? Great for tourism too. Oh, wait…
We only have three functional rulers: ANZ headquarters Melbourne, CBA headquarters Sydney, and ………… oh wait it's two.
How about Westpac (or is that CBA)? They seem to have a pretty tight hold on the NZ government's purse-strings:
https://www.westpac.co.nz/institutional/relationship-management/government-banking/services/
ANZ and CBA have by far the dominant share of us.
Ah the royals. The gloss should be turning to rust. But I guess charlie, willie and georgie fit the bill for out-dated concepts while still attempting to be relevant.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/15/green-royals-saving-the-planet-helicopter-queen-charles-william-climate
I wonder why the reporter felt the need to reveal that she was somewhat alienated by the fact that Charles "had his Aston Martin converted to run on “surplus English white wine and whey from the cheese process”.
Does the notion of fossil-fuel avoidance piss her off? Or was it the notion that English white wine is surplus to requirements? You can imagine how she felt at having to report on "a withering assessment from Prince William on the various billionaire space programmes". Due to their use of fossil fuels, I presume.
How can an enterprising reporter continue to support the establishment when those at the top of the hierarchy are so keen on being subversive? I bet she has to keep clutching her pearls when trying to cognite the thought.
Almost as if Queenie is starting to connect the dots, eh? And
Ha! Reporter ought to have recalled that Queenie was brainwashed into the Church of England as a child. Christians do hypocrisy way better than anyone else on Earth. She's just toeing the party line automatically. Dots not connected.
Her critique does have merit though. Charles ought to appoint an ethics advisor to his considerable staff. He's led by example admirably most of his life but as trainee king he needs to clean up the authenticity angle.
The royals would all have more credibility if they gave up the grouse
So this wasn't an empty threat, and the clock is ticking until Tuesday evening!
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tam-threatens-legal-action-against-peters
Peters isn't going to be able to get out of this one with a; sorry you were so sensitive and got offended by my words, brushoff. The putting it in terms of; sabotaging the vaccine rollout in hard to reach populations, was pretty smart of Tam and Mansfield. But is Peters physically able to apologize to an unperson such as Tam, or will he choke on his words? Popcorn time!
M&Ms for me 😀
Well, that seems to answer the question will Tam really go thru with a defamation action if he doesn’t get a public apology & a retraction from Peters.
This is the typical groundwork for a defamation case. Should be interesting. More work for Brian Henry, I expect.
Has Winston ever apologised for public utterances he had no proof for? Can’t recall any at the present time. He may have to fess up 🙏🏼 or pay up 💵💰❓
If Harry really is as pure as the driven snow on this matter – which this letter is a strong indication is indeed the case – then Winston Peters definitely fired off his volley in completely the wrong direction.
But it does perhaps beg the question: “Who loaded & cocked Winston’s gun? And why?
N’est-ce pas?
“Who loaded & cocked Winston’s gun? And why?
That is a very good question.
Slater would be my guess, but I am not about to go toshing in his sewer to find out:
Cant wait for Slater to be named as the credible source
Peters is not the type to come out unarmed, even if it is only with a pop-gun.
As I have learned from watching the Texans on the sad sorry anti antivax site
'He's not usually all hat and no cattle'
There appears to be a breakdown in communication with Peter's source.
Peter's isn't the one laughing, neither is Tam.
Winston won't apologize and I doubt Harry Tam would want to appear in court or even participate in discovery.
Will fizzle out
Why wouldn't Harry want to appear in court or even participate in discovery?
I am sure there are a few be-wigged lawyers that would love to stick it to Peters, all in the name of a good cause, of course. KidsCan.
Yes time for Winston to either front up with evidence, or shut up and apologise. Both would probably be a first.
The cute little sparrow hen the Sparrer Farno sent to perch two feet in front of me, when I was standing at the fence looking down at the stream, to ask when lunch was being served at Gezza’s Bird Café.
https://i.imgur.com/WCZ8XBa.gif
One just out of interest, as imagine the majority of people on here are half/fully vaxed already. An extremely rough and amateur survey of the Standard posters.
Are you going to actively (and not accidently put the channel on) watch the vaxathon?
My vote is I will be avoiding the thing like the plague as its cheesey as btw. Just a photo shoot for politicians and an embarrassing day for other kiwi celebs, who genuinely want to help but will end up looking a bit silly.
Having said that. If it gets another couple of 10k vaxed, cheesey as, or not. It can only be a good thing in the long run.
And it is has a certain funny factor, that it was John Keys idea., he got slagged off for on here.
No Im not going to watch it. I dont really like circuses either, and felt queasy, hanging back at lolly scrambles as a kid.And it’s a beautiful day here.I’m not going to waste it in front of the telly
Both.
Exposed to border workers.
BTW. The Vaxathon was not bloody well Keys idea. Many others were suggesting it months before Key was re-excavated from the grave.
If it works, all good.
National party politicians have made a practice of suggesting things that they knew were going to happen anyway, and taking credit for it. Another type of dis honesty they seem to think is acceptable.
No offence, but severely doubt the current Labour govt would have thought of it without prompting, given their record,
…before Key was re – excavated from the grave.
A bit early for Halloween.
"BTW. The Vaxathon was not bloody well Keys idea. Many others were suggesting it months before Key."
Care to post a link? As it was no one from Labour till Key suggested it on all the national news media.
Lets face it. If it is a success, which I hope it is, we all know Ardern won't thank him, when she should.
Sir Johnny Mee the imitator.
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/02/26/vaxathon-black-americans-covid-vaccine/
Kind of meant in NZ and not some obscure website in the US no one would have seen and you took over 5 minutes to google to find, but all good.
Some random yank on a website no one in NZ would ever see also thought of it.
Ardern probably got it from there, and not just watched the news with Key on it.
Because Johnny Mee would never read a fucking newspaper and think...now there's an idea I'll call my own.
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Putting aside the immature name calling
The thing looks like it is working out pretty well so far.
No one can seriously be that defensive that the idea came from another team when Ardern is the one that achieves the success from it (assuming it will carry on being one throughout the day)
That is just hate for things that is pointless hating
Don't worry sport, my visceral loathing for the creepy AF trichophiliac ain't just pointless hating.
Fair enough. It just comes across that way.
Put it this way.
I think that despite her failings Clark was a good PM. Despite Keys failings Key was a good PM. Despite her failings Ardern is a good PM (with the only side note of her never actually answering questions in interviews and well trained PR speak).
I don't feel the need to call any of them names. If you do. All good.
"Never"? Typical partisan hyperbole. Imho 'Honest John' was ever the political dilettante – never ‘dirtied’ his hands. Unlike the current 'leader' of the National party – no love lost there.
After nearly two years of Adern "answering questions" openly, honestly and with precision and a myriad of facts at her fingertips, that have been addressed to her with a mysoginistic, ignorant hostility Key never had to face…………..
Facing up to people, I use the word in it’s broadest sense, like O brian, Wall, Hoskings and Garner, who seem incapable of comprehending what they heard five minutes ago, would test a Saint.
V's Key, who I actually give some credit to, for things like raising welfare payments for the first time for a while, and avioding the pressure from within his party to go for destructive austerity in the GFC as the right wing did elsewhere, was a Master of deflection and burying a question in "o shucks" verbiage. Helped by interviewers whose fawning over the wealthy Hero, was embarrassing.
Sorry Drowsy but working on tiny lap top and can't actually read the images for Collins
Lets face it. I think you have to admit both Key and Ardern are one offs in their generations even if you irrationally hate Key.
I just found Key actually answered questions more often rather than rambling PR.
Trying to remember what Ryan Bridges opinion was. Not his words, but it was something like she could talk the arse off a donkey and not say anything. And I tend to agree. But then that deserves respect as it is a very good skill. And to do it and still have dumb people thinking you are ace is an even better one.
No apologies necessary Chris.
'Hate' is a strong word – I'm thankful for the National party’s low ebb, which will be Key's most lasting legacy (shame about the flag).
Imho PM Ardern is good for more than just talking the arse off a donkey and not saying anything, but each to their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacinda_Ardern#Honours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key#Honours
The appeal of "mega wealthy" Key was lost on me – I wish him well.
I will tune in and out of the vaxathon coverage.
A good idea from Key, first jab sorted. Second jab needs sorting???
I think the second one is the big issue tbh.
My own, which I put down to me being probably having a bug, or basically just a weirdo, with first aside (probably shouldn't have mentioned)
I have said it before, but the amount of times I have heard from various sources the second vax is a sorer arm or slight nausea was getting a bit silly, given it is only 24 hours or so.
Geezes she aint a broken arm. It is just a bit of discomfort for 24 hours in most cases and sorted. Get over yourself.
No sorer for 2nd vax may be a day where arm was sore when touched
It was more the loss of mental clarity that made even simple addition challenging for a day or two (let alone any statistical analyses) that I found difficult with my second vax. I made the the mistake of having my first vax in my dominant arm, which did mess me up some. The second I had in my non-dominant (submissive?) arm, and barely noticed that unless I needed to reach something up over my shoulder level.
The change of weather can bring on tummy bugs.
When you have a good chuck, you always feel better afterwards. The nausea appears to be sorted.
I had my second jab yesterday in my L arm. 2 weeks ago I had an iron infusion in R arm, (needle connected to the line is in for an hour). Crazy where the needle went in for the iron infusion the sight became sore 2 days before the second Covid jab. No issue with any previous lines.
Edit: A good half idea from Key, first jab sorted. Second jab needs sorting???
47 000 so far Chris T. Is John Key helping somewhere? Or is he all p… and wind or got his golf hat on as usual?
It's a good number 47,000
Well done to the person that mentioned the idea
TBF even if it stayed at 47 thou that is 47 thou that may not have been vaxed, so can only be a good thing and well worth the cheesiness.
Good idea Key.
(I am working on the assumption that people realise I am pointing out the Key bit for a laugh as it looks like a good day vax wise and we could do with a laugh, given the circumstances. That and it will annoy people 🙂 )
was it keys idea? I very much doubt it. like the walkways to provide jobs, others thought of it but key was the headhoncho at the time, so took the credit. I doubt key has ever had an original idea, while in politics. all of his ideas came from focus groups.
Think all these ideas come from focus groups, and committees. MPs just get to suck the good PR from the ones that work they happened to be associated with.
Mind you Key is just a (nz standards) mega rich dude, retired apart from boards and is hanging out, so might be an exception and could be his own one.
Just forget it and delete it. It seemed a harmless question at the time.
If it causes moderators micro aggressions it aint worth the hassle.
FFS. It didn't even question anything
Edit: I have to put an edit in. If this is where we have got to in screening posta just because of Covid, it is f’ing ridiculous given the post
Professor John Potter, epidemiologist and former Chief Science Adviser to the MOHNZ, who Kim Hill has just finished interviewing this morning on RNZ, says that NZ should continue to pursue Covid elimination, and that this is possible while we have it ringfenced in Auckland.
In his opinion the alternative is much worse. Auckland needs to go back to L4 for the sake of all of NZ.
I'm in Auckland and have had my two jabs, and after this weekends big vaxathon everyone that wants one will have had a first jab. Four weeks later they would have had both. So I'm happy to go to level 2 say 1st of December.
…meaning I am happy for Covid to spread across NZ for Xmas. Cheers mate.
Yes and with everyone double jabbed the cases will be very mild with very few requiring hospitalisation. And we can go back to living more normal lives like the rest of the world.
Vaccination does not PREVENT spread, it reduces the effect of covid.
Correct. The number of cases are virtually irrelevant now. We should only be counting hospitalisation or death numbers.
we should also be counting long covid and the impact of that cumulatively over the medium and long term. How many people in Invalid's benefit can NZ support? What's the impact on workplaces? What's the impact on families?
Estimates of long covid vary from 10% of people with covid (MoH) to something like 30% (internationally).
There was a good article the other day, (sorry don't have the link…in fact may have been an advert in NZ Herald) about the number of women who do not know yet that they have breast cancer, due to many of these normal tests being put off due to Covid.
and if we had covid in the community that would still be true, possibly worse, due to health system overload.
Yeah, sadly in the face of Delta the current vaccines are very leaky.
That will likely pose it's own set of problems.
Need two weeks after the second one to have built immunity.
Yes agreed. So first jab today, second jab on or around 13th November, and two weeks later around 27th November you're at your most immune so level 2 from 1st December?
One thing we should be doing immediately and ongoing is addressing where L4 is so hard for some people.
Is it mental health impacts? Teach resiliency skills. Is it being stuck home with the kids? Build more outside spaces and systems that take the pressure off.
Is it not being able to socialise? Build better online platforms.
Is it related to poverty? Raise benefits, bring in a GMI, cash payments to people really struggling.
Is it the stress of such a big change to daily life? Redesign societal expectations to include down time as a health promoting practice, and put in the things that support that rather than just leaving people to sort it out.
I cannot see how we can stop having periodic lockdowns given the vaccine is partial protection and wanes over time, and there will be new variants.
all of the above.
anyone who is not on a government stipend of sorts, or who can work from home fulltime, does not yet understand the stress that comes with having a business in these times – and a lot of businesses are impacted from tourism to dentistry, the stress that comes with having an essential worker at home – if they get covid the household gets it, the stress of losing a job – retail, front of house, office cleaning, etc etc – often low paid and female orientated, the stress of living 11 to a 3 brdm home with several kids and adults, and then also the limited funds for say food, netflix – as the only option of entertainment, etc.
And we are social animals by an large, so for people who don't mind mingling being alone or cramped into a small space with many but no way out can be a very distressing situation.
And unless we are actually addressing these issues i don't think much is going to change. There will be rolling lockdowns, and people will break these lockdown rules.
Maybe the govt should look at the rehabilitation of Marie Jeanne once more.
who is Marie Jeanne?
weed.
A health professional asked me a couple weeks ago if I have a hash breakfast?
I told them I only pop absolutely essential prescription meds.
Lol, pronunciation difficulties.
yes, legalising would have been sensible.
I'd put poverty, cultural issues and overcrowding high in the list to attend to. But yeah, special attention to business as well.
What you say points also to the need for regionally and locally designed solutions. Obviously South Auckland hits the big three, and will have additional ones. Rural South Island is going to be different from there and from Chch and Dndn. Regional NI will be different from regional SI. Climate will make a big difference.
Timeframes matter too. Hard to solve overcrowding in the short term, but not so hard to redesign outside public spaces quickly. Pair that with poverty relief and positive education on adapting.
Would love to know the demographic and motivation break down of people attending the protests. That would tell us a lot too.
We need to understand that one can not lock up almost a third of the country for any lenght of time and not think that this will affect others.
Many of us are simply there because we are stubborn and also because we can't just all give up and stand there and let our towns die. And make no mistakes, our towns are dying. Slowly but surely, and the most affected of this are women and their jobs, and yet we don't want to talk about that at all. No siree!
And if you look at the protests, also look at the funerals – there was one in the south island a day before the tamaki protest with a hundred people in their ars and burn outs and what nots , and illegal gatherings in homes, the soft undermining of rules by people simply out and about waiting in line and going to the beach. I mean do you think you are much safer from Covid while standing in line at Supermarket then you are in an illegal protest? One mass gathering is permitted the other is not..
It is easy for many to bash the Tamakis of this world as they are brash and out there, we don't seem to like however to apply the same standards to people that don't look like that particular crowd.
And last, so what if we all get the jab, we drop all restrictions, and overload our healthcare sector because despite being injected we still get the disease, carry and spread it, and if unlucky enough become either a long hauler with various ailments or die.
To me the lack of an open and honest discussion of what can and can not be permitted is one issue, the pretense that we can have mass gatherings and concerts because we are jabbed makes no sense. But that is just me.
I think a lot of people are in for a shock next year when things don’t return to the normal they want.
not sure if NZ will succumb to containment fatigue and be resigned to death and disability instead.
funerals and supermarket shopping carry very different risks, I don’t see them as comparable. Happy agree there’s a problem with the vax concert thing, we will see how that works out.
I came across this re England.
funerals/supermarket shopping do carry different risks, but last year during the BLM demos, it seems that the risk was acceptable. Maybe we don't like the risk because we don't find it acceptable. So what is an acceptable risk to someone who lives in the ignored suburbs vs the posh and leafy suburbs of our elite?
and fwiw, it is n
ot only Auckland that suffers with the restrictions on Auckland, the whole south island is feeling the lack of people – most people of the north island live in Auckland, and it trickles down to the businesses also, but here we are pretending its only Auckland.
We need to really start accepting reality.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last
South Island should be North Island.
even tho i would suspect a few places in the south island that also suffers from not having AKL'ers be able to move about.
Not sure what your point is there. BLM protest in NZ was a bad idea and badly done, early in the pandemic before NZ knew better. And it was Level 2. I said at the time that I thought it was a bad move.
Everyone has their personal feelings about risk and how they assess it. Fortunately we have a reasonably competent government doing the risk assessments for the collective. Lots I disagree with them on in that, but there's still a big material difference (i.e. not based on feelings) between going to a funeral and going to the supermarket.
I guess the point i am trying to make is that what is acceptable might be different to some that can work from home full time with full pay, and those that are forced to stay home at wage subsidy level with full costs and those that get to go to work as essential workers with the full risk of catching covid and transmitting it to their households.
Thanks Sabine – that's a really interesting article.
Given NZ's spectacularly low per capita number of Covid-related deaths so far, I’d hope the team will have a low tolerance for increases in the 'death rate', and still be relatively accepting of Covid death mitigation measures.
Since those deaths will be very highly concentrated among the vaccine refusers, and the lockdowns really really are severely fkn onerous, my acceptance of being locked down is dropping very rapidly.
I can assure you, I'm not the only one.
We are not vaccinating to prevent people from dying, we are vaccinating to prevent our underfunded, understaffed and under resourced medical complex from falling apart.
So what is going to happen when you have your 90% vaccination rate, but your hospitals are still not coping and any other medical procedures cancelled for lack of beds – even if not ICU beds?
This 'vaccination' does not give immunity, in fact you will need booster shots – Israel is currently at the second booser shot for those that got vaccianted earlier this year or late last year, how many booster shots a year do you think you can force down?
disclaimer, i am 'vaccinated', i wear my maks full time at work and when outside, i am still fully on contactless business and will be so for a long time coming.
@Sabine: I'm well aware of what's coming at our medical system, having a cousin and her husband, both hospital doctors, living through it in the US.
I think the best answer for that is setting up tents in the far corner of hospital parking lots as unvaccinated covid patient wards. Then when triaging becomes necessary, unvaccinated covid patients are first on the list to get triaged out to the tents.
That's the brutal reality of what's likely to be necessary to preserve some capacity to care for those that need help for other issues that weren't easily and safely preventable by a simple vaccine.
@Andre (11:32 am): I can assure you, neither am I, "lockdowns really really are severely fkn onerous" notwithstanding. It boils down to personal thresholds, informed by experience, circumstance and ‘team spirit’.
Tbh, your brutal “best answer” (@12:04 pm) fills me with unease.
@DMK I'm not feeling much team spirit from non-Aucklanders gleefully advocating more level 4 for Auckland.
"Gleefully"? Not much ‘Covid glee’ in this neck of the woods
This meta-analysis does seem to bear out your contention that some of us are more social animals than others; Sabine:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02143-7/fulltext
I find it fascinating that we as a species seem to be more afraid of infection than death itself. Though, as the researchers themselves note: This was likely due to high collinearity between the daily excess mortality rate and the other two COVID-19 impact variables.
There seems to be a strong increase in both anxiety and depression from; decreased human mobility, to; increased infection rates (Depression; 0.9 to 18.1 B values respectively, with no Uncertainty Interval overlap at 95% range. Anxiety; 0.9 to 13.8 with no UI overlap). So opening up a region before elimination is achieved may be counterproductive if your intention is to reduce adverse mental health effects.
We all need to have purpose in our lives. Once pressure hits a certain point the cause of it needs to be reduced.
Weka….I can see sense in all of this….I think we have to throw money at all of the issues associated with L4 lockdowns.
I know that this is expensive and will not cure all the issues but it might well get NZ through Covid-free until a sterilizing vaccine emerges where Covid is not passed on at all by infected people.
This is how the measles vaccine works, for example.
Giving up and allowing Covid to spread through NZ when this goes not need to happen (see my reference to Professor John Potter above) doesn't make any sense.
The government needs to go back to elimination NOW while it still can.
I think we should be merging covid response with climate/eco response. Long term thinking, mitigation and adaptation, relocalise and focus on improving supports. If we get a sterile vaccine, that’s the icing on the cake. We shouldn’t rely on that.
Its seems lockdowns will have some very long reaching and long term consequences. This study shows some pretty scary effects with regards the devolpment of babies, down to a lack of social interaction (mums groups as an example) at a critical time and stressed parents. This study covers what is a weathy middle class cohort.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds
Thanks will take a look. How is this different from what a whole lot of people were experiencing before covid? Best we get on with helping us all. We can’t control covid, we can control what sort of society we build.
The results are from a longitudinal study so show a clear difference.
But for a start the study shows how vital socializationfor human development so we need to stay very community based.
Also that putting parents under extreme stress leads to poor out comes for children but we already know that I think and we arnt really prepared to actually do much about it.
Also read a different study that talked about the effect of mask wearing on development of children at school. The lack of social ques from expression is a big problem. Will try to find a link
No, I mean that before covid there were a whole lot of people raising their kids in less than optimal ways (poverty, disability etc). Now the middle classes are also affected. Instead of blaming covid response, we should be looking at how to help be ok no matter what the conditions. We can and should be adapting around this.
Spinoff Ed: "Elimination was not only a successful health and economic strategy, it was something we all did together and mostly agreed upon… The policy was overwhelmingly popular across the political spectrum."
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-10-2021/some-big-clear-calls-are-needed-on-the-path-out-of-elimination/
Unification of the nation as transitional phase, he's on about.
Confounded reality, getting in the way of mass perceptions.
Faultlines is a nice change from bogeymen, eh? Kinda more rarefied a notion, almost intellectual even.
Market or state? Whatta conundrum. Thought that issue got settled back in the '80s. Better roll out Roger Douglas in his wheelchair to sort it. But maybe competing legal opinions is just what everyone needs? I know: ask Pipsqueak. He's sitting on the prospect of displacing the leader of the opposition. Oughta be gung ho to proclaim the new reality.
The state should legally mandate vaccinations, with listed exceptions, & residual vested authority for the Minister or DGH to approve special exemptions. Imo.
But I’m open to other arguments?
Likewise. Unsure if the North Korean option is sufficiently stealthy tho. Could get business leaders declaring a shift in stance: "Communism isn't as bad as we thought. State control blended with business leadership is the way to go. If China can do that, we can too." So I think Key was wrong to point to North Korea. China is the model. Call it a public/private partnership to get traction via framing…
Northern Territory has brought in vax or be fined $4000 or 6 mths prison if anyone works without vaccination.
Well, govts are supposed to ensure public safety. That duty is as traditional as they get – goes back centuries. Unsurprising any would not respond to public calls for moral responsibility to be enforced on the issue. I see the irony in the situation (as ought to be clear from my prior comments) but governance that actually works defeats irreverent commentary anytime…
Elimination is clear, containment is reducing the spread. Reducing the spread requires an elimination strategy.
In Auckland is elimination no longer viable?
Probably not but we ought to allow Bloomfield time to figure it out. If the trend of spread continues to escalate, we get a negative viability. If the control strategy works, the contagion numbers will trend back down. It's a matter of time.
In Auckland is elimination no longer viable?
Probably not without using Chinese and North Korea levels of compulsion. Y'know, welding peoples doors shut on their homes.
It seems clear that covid is now in communities that aren't going to pay any attention to level 3 and level 4 rules. There's a lot more of those communities than just gangs and poor brown folks that are unfairly getting blamed right now. So going back into level 4 really isn't going to eliminate covid.
There's also the factor that a strong majority of over 12s in Auckland are already double-vaxxed. Getting locked down again after having done all the individual actions one can possibly do, in order to protect those that refuse to do a really minimal action to protect themselves and the community, simply feels horribly unjust.
There probably isn't a broad social license for another round of level 4, and even if there still was, it wouldn't last anywhere near long enough to actually achieve elimination against Delta.
Compliance is the issue and this requires personal responsibility. Non compliant people are the spoilers. Their impulse gets the better of them. There would be a common denominator in non compliance such as not coping with lockdown. Coping with high Covid cases is going to be far worse.
I knew Texas had is own schtick, but this!!
From The Guardian
"A Texas school district official has told teachers they must offer “opposing” perspectives to the Holocaust if they keep books about the genocide in their classroom libraries.
Gina Peddy, the executive director of curriculum and instruction for Carroll independent school district in Southlake, made the statement while giving teacher training on which books classrooms can stock. The training came after the Carroll school board rebuked a fourth-grade teacher following complaints by parents about a book on anti-racism in her class.
Obviously Texas doesn’t just have gun nuts. They have other nuts there as well. 😐
Also anti vaxx nuts in a big way, if you follow such unedifying but must see sites such as
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
Maybe she meant different perspectives on the way the holocaust was experienced e.g. a prison guard and a prisoner, a crematorium workers and a possessions sorter for example?
yeah-nah – to believe that, I'd have to credit her (or the lot of them) with good faith, historical knowledge, nuance and empathy.
First of all
I fully support covid vaccination .I am double vaxxed , from very early on , thus missing out on all the hoopla and spot prizes etc..I do not want to see our hospitals over run with acute covid cases, wear masks, sanitise, scan in religiously, comply with restrictions without bitching
But..Why weren't all the tools in the toolbox being utilised ?Why not vaccine plus treatment .I want both available
Here is Chris Leitch from Socal Credit, the only political party that advocated for Julian Assange's release in the last election campaign incidentally
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE2110/S00137/call-for-treatment-kits-to-be-issued-to-home-isolatees.htm
There are many countries and states within countries who have done this with very good results.We are stuck with covid for the duration, and we can learn from other's successes in reducing severe illness and hospitalisation , and conversely where any pitfalls of home treatment may lie.
An example
This is John Campbell on the Uttar Pradesh.success for one Trigger alert. It includes the word ivermectin (as do the state provided home kits) Scroll on by if this provokes inflammation
The particularly dodgy Ivermectin study led by Dr Ahmed Elgazzar from Benha University in Egypt, published on the Research Square website last November has not done belief in the efficacy of the drug much good.
https://grftr.news/why-was-a-major-study-on-ivermectin-for-covid-19-just-retracted/?fbclid=IwAR2wIFoKt5X0Vz-KHR43ewxGOqVfYXfwXeWdbxC4yzHxqIpb8aI1dmDeU0k
https://steamtraen.blogspot.com/2021/07/Some-problems-with-the-data-from-a-Covid-study.html?fbclid=IwAR2RQueyxR_7bxtQUcTdidx9Rx6FqrqZzkWK90Bvd7EdBX0P9vl5omi-uoc
I would rather John Campbell concentrate on vaccination, mask wearing, track and tracing exclusively, until there are legitimate trials done on ivermectin, with supporting data.
That study has ben removed .A dodgy study, done for publish or perish reasons I presume, shouldn't close the subject.And Campbell constantly stresses mask wearing , vaccination etc.
There is plenty of epedemiological data that really should be looked at.But no, we've signed up to molnupiravir before the studies are over, and at huge expense
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300427219/covid19-pharmac-signs-deal-for-experimental-treatment-pill-molnupiravir
The blatant double standard is jaw-dropping. Cheap as chips Ivermectin with a stellar track record of safety over decades and billions of doses is slammed as 'dangerous' – while expensive new drugs with zero long term safety data are embraced as the new saviour.
People are losing their minds.
Can I just post who here is going to watch the vaxathon and lose the other bits is that ok?
Already said Nah
Not a great fan of highly organised and curated fun
Don't know, probably have a look see now and again but my take is that if bumps the vaccine uptake then it is doing its job plus people do have fun with the mad challenges etc.
So yes from me.
Exactly. It's not a "one hand … other hand" issue.
If 90% is eye-rolling and 10% gets some more people vaccinated then it's +10, not 10 minus 90. There is no downside.
(As long as we don't get celebs singing "Imagine" …)
Bloody hell Paddy Gower just said he hoped his pronOUnciation of some Māori word or other was correct. Then he repeated the same mispronunciation as mispronounciation.
The Education Department has a lot to answer for when even our newscasters like Gower are worried about their pronunciation of reo Māori when they are functionally illiterate in English! 😠
That’s enough Vaxathon for me. 7 minutes.
78327 so far.
Then as Patricia says we need to do the second vaccine to give the best immunity.
Thankfully I don't have tv reception.
The TV sits on a cabinet with a lovely picture of Mimiwhangata in front of it.
Re Bomber's rant "the continued death spiral of the National Party. I predict ACT will overtake National during the foolish Hate Speech debate next year." Sooner is likelier. Debating hate speech law ain't foolish, it's pragmatic. The issue has currency. Politicians must engage with prospective legislation.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/10/14/new-poll-labour-act-soar/
Martyn's used his nifty diagnostic tool again (mod please adjust size to fit):
" The issue has currency.":
I disagree. The legislation should be ditched and never see the light of day ever again.
Why women's language matters part 63.
https://twitter.com/PeachesJenkins4/status/1449037462341312515?s=20
Why thanks for not yet removing the status of 'people' from women.
Note Sabine, that Ashley Bloomfield for instance, if he really wanted to be inclusive , could have said pregnant men and women.(To include transmen)
But that would have been a step too far for most thinking people.Using the vague and butt saving people fudged the issue .
Most people would have quietly assumed women,as so far nobody's managed to graft a working uterus on to a male body.Female bodies bear children
How about we say
pregnant women and people?
Just how many transman have actually given birth and will give birth? The very vast majority some – my guess – 97.5% of all children born are born to 'women', and the rest would then be born to a TIF – trans identified female.
And i am sure the good Dr. knows that.
Speaking of Erasure, there are also NonBinary, amongst other, people to consider. I personally wouldn't be averse to; Pregnant woman and others, though I do know people who would claim than was literally Othering them (and it's kind of hard to disagree with that). Plus that's without addressing the imminent advent of Biobags (or similar IVF linked external uterine biotech), that is going to be more than slightly controversial!
Language formulations will continue to evolve apace, I don't even try to predict that nowadays. If an utterance can be understood by its intended audience, then it is effective; if it is ambiguous, then it should be changed. But sometimes different audiences need different language to engage them (eg Māori & Pākehā), though it is a weird experience to have to translate English into English (say; New York into Kiwi dialects, or even; cis into trans dialects). Respect for the intended audience seems to be the key to effective communication (though easier said than done).
I know I've said this before, but 'pregnant people' is the one language change I accept. It has nothing to do with trans (although language change benefits them), and everything to do with being a pregnant 15-year-old who felt that everything about being pregnant was for grown-ups.
As a result I didn't 'find out' I was pregnant for 7 months, when I fainted at work, endangering me and my child (of course I guessed/knew, but had no idea what to do). These 'hidden' pregnancies are not unusual in young teens. Inclusive language may help pregnant kids seek care earlier.
I'm not yet convinced. I've known a number of women who didn't know they were pregnant until a long way in, including a woman who didn't know until she went into labour. Some of those women didn't know because they were young and not in their bodies or didn't understand female reproductive anatomy and physiology. I think being disconnected from women's culture around sex and pregnancy is part of it too.
Rather than removing women's language, I'm in favour of adding in. So if there's a problem for teens, then we need to do public health messaging, services and education specific to them. Likewise trans men and NB females.
We can also go with all those things and just go with 'woman' meaning biological sex, and that includes young women (anyone able to get pregnant), and make sure that we actually provide services and culture for all of those women.
I feel strongly about this for three reasons.
Fair call. But this is my voice …
Calling a young teen a woman is problematic to me. Both in terms of access to care and the ideas society has about what a women is, compared to a girl. What do you call a 14 year-old who is pregnant, a 12 y.o, an 11 y.o? It feels more than vaguely permissive for some males to redefine these girls as women just because they are capable of being impregnated. I’m not just talking about a teen boy partner here. To put it bluntly, as my partner says, ‘you’re giving paedophiles a green card’.
Girls (like I was) aren’t pregnant because everything it hunky dory in their lives. I’m quite sure I’m not unique in how I felt about being alone, isolated and excluded. I think not knowing you’re pregnant is rather different to wilfully denying pregnancy – which is the space I was in. I can only imagine how it would have worked out if I hadn’t been taken to a GP after fainting at 7-months pregnant.
It’s not so much a positive force when you’re young and invalidated. If it’s a positive force, why are girls excluded in the language, which flows on to them feeling excluded in practice?
We can, and indeed should, take the public health steps you describe. But I fully believe language needs to be more inclusive to validate girls’ pregnancies and ensure, especially if they are unable to count on family support for information, they can reach out to health and maternity services.
I don’t believe it’s a lack of knowledge about biological and reproductive functions that is the problem. My experience suggests a lack of care, attention and consideration from adults who should know better is a bigger problem. Maybe the public health messaging (and societal/economic structures) should be at the adult, rather than the adolescent level here. I’ll put my hand up here as well and say I should have known more and done better when my own daughter was a teen.
So maybe we could use (the not so snappy phrasing) ‘pregnant women and girls’, as in Sabine’s comment below – and respect women’s rights and pregnant girl’s rights to be visible too.
* as an aside, one of the most powerful examples of women’s positive, creative forces is this doco on the Fraser High teaching unit for teen mums.
What a difference it would make we could gather at-risks kids in a warm, mentoring hug like this teen teaching unit does, before they’re in difficult situations that lead to hidden teen pregnancies.
Because it is women and girls – irrespective of their own identification that are the ones falling pregnant. No transgirl will face a pregnancy, nor will a transwomen.
This is the same as people with vaginas. Transwomen can have neo vaginas. Transmen can have vaginas. Intersex people can have a vagina. Women and girls have a vagina. But and unless you specify which person with a vagina you are talking too, chances are that Transmen will continue to die of a totally preventable cancer due to not being spoken too. Ditto with non binaries.
Again, our sexed bodies – do not care one bit about our self identification. And if we don't care about appropriate language when speaking abut specific subjects than that can kill, and it has.
We are not pregnant people. We are pregnant women, to whom all of the worlds population has been born , all every single human since the dawn of time.
Maybe the issue really is that we actually don't speak to our young ones in terms that are understandable to them. And that involves clear language about what our bodies can and can not do.
Are transmen so divorced from their bodies they don't realise they have a cervix?I find that hard to believe
Yes, some of them are so removed, and if you are 'trans identified' at a young age and only revered to as he/him why on earth would you think that much of that female biology applies to you? Many do get double radical masectomies and hysterectomies as soon as they can secure funding and are legally allowed to do so. But yes, recently there has been a few articles of transmen complaining that they don't get invites for pap smears- but only 'F' for female get invites, or that have died of cervical cancer because they refused to have pap smears. A young transman also was not diagnosed as pregnant but rather considered 'overweight' because the marker on 'gender/sex' was M.
One can identify as one cares, but one must still accept the basic biological concept of the two sexes and their differences, and their importance in the reproductive cycle.
There are women who don’t know what a cervix is.
Amazing.
Sometimes I wonder if we're heading towards disembodiment , whereby eggs are harvested, inseminated , gene edited, "improved" and grown on in a laboratory.Certain breeding stock will be retained,for their eggs and sperm, but the rest will be sexless semi cyborgs, untroubled by the messy business of sex and human reproduction
i can see this be part of the desired outcome.
Episode 1
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_by_Wolves_(Raised_by_Wolves_episode)
Have they considered running for office with the UK Labour party?
Lol. Vastly different kind of not knowing 😈
Georgina Beyer ran in NZ local politics for one term and in central politics for three terms. No drama. Had a lot of fun along the way too.
Don't think she was in any doubt about whether she had a cervix or not
You'd have to ask her. She had plenty to say on patriarchy and more than most did something about it.
She was extremely frank and unapologetic about who she was. She was truly a great advocate for transexuals(her word) , and bloody witty, "I was born a stallion, became a gelding and ended up a mare(mayor)"
A strong person always willing to talk about her experience., and not trying to be anything but herself.
She converted my very conservative mother, who thought a great deal of her
Maybe it was more about her character than her category.
Yes,that's true
She persuaded my mother of her genuineness,her warmth and charm,that such a person was above all a person and not the outlandish deviant my mother may have imagined
Politicians have higher standards these days. Georgina Beyer seemed incapable of generating this kind of viral meme.
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime-141751
Whatever the equivalent of a meme was in her three terms, Georgina Beyer got a good share of publicity. And generally avoided looking stupid.
I'll never forget when Paul Holmes went into a Carton bar and asked this crusty old guy on a barstool with a long grey beard:
"So do you really want a transsexual as Mayor?", and his reply:
"I do if it's Georgina Beyer."
Sorry, I keep forgetting that online there is always somebody around who doesn't realize there is a joke being made.
Sure, say pregnant women and girls (or pregnant females, but that feels a bit clinical). It wasn't until this discussion that I actually realised how, as a young teen, that more inclusive language would likely have made a difference to me.
Emily Oster is being disingenuous. And we're losing our collective minds with this bs.
how we talk about covid and vaccination matters if we want an effective vaccination rate. Ridicule is not an effective communication strategy.
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1449127753907769346
Caitlin is saying it hasn't been approved as a treatment for covid.In the european and anglophone spheres .Which we take the most notice of it seems .Possibly because their cultures more closely resemble ours.
But it has most certainly been approved and used by health authorities in Mexico, Goa, Peru, Uttar Pradesh with good results.More controlled studies are needed, as causality can't be proved by epimediological findings.
Chris Leitch includes this link in his press release (Scoop, Social Credit)
https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin
And ivermectin in the doses used by those countries (12mg)has a proven safety record for humans.
When horse paste drowns out the quieter studies being undertaken right now, ivermectin is not getting a fair hearing .Messaging would be better to include, please be patient, we are undertaking studies, please do not resort to the available veterinary invermectin as they are calibrated for large mammals and will do you harm
All the horse paste stuff predisposes people to distrust what may very well turn out to be a useful adjunct to vaccines
Yale School of Medicine guy looks at Invermectin use – concludes we should be kept up to date while ongoing studies continue
Where Ivermectin will help a covid victim is by resolving any underlying parasite infestation they might have. In the countries / states you've listed this is a high likelihood. You could probably put the anti vax / oxycontin parts of US in the same category. Get rid of the worms and the individual is able to devote more resources to fighting the covid infection.
This is how Ivermectin is used in agriculture, either prophylactically to promote greater general health and production, or specifically as a first line treatment to help an ailing animal.
Direct antiviral effect in an otherwise healthy individual however is unlikely.
Since at least 2012 it's anti viral qualities have been recognised
https://encyclopedia.pub/2895
But that's an interesting theory! Could be a double whammer there!
Everything has antiviral properties if you put the concentration up high enough. Those ivermectin tests in petri dishes just demonstrate that principle yet again.
The interesting question is whether a substance has sufficient antiviral properties at low enough concentrations to reduce harms caused by a virus without the substance directly causing undue harms to the organism we're trying to protect, ie us.
Where ivermectin fails is this regard is that 1) because of the way ivermectin is absorbed, it's simply not possible to reach high enough concentrations in a human to actually achieve antiviral properties, and 2) if those extremely high concentrations necessary for antiviral properties were somehow actually achieved, ivermectin would cross the blood-brain barrier and be neurotoxic.
These two facts are the likely explanation why well-designed and conducted clinical trials (eg Lopez-Medina in Colombia, and the TOGETHER trial conducted by McMaster University) have found ivermectin has negligible detected positive effect on actual covid patients. Whereas the trials that claim to have found beneficial effects are at best poorly conducted by highly biased practitioners producing unreliable and unrepeatable results, ranging to probable outright fraud from the likes of Elgazzar in Egypt and Carvallo in Argentina.
In the end, what's needed are well-designed, well-conducted studies producing reliable repeatable results from a reproducible treatment protocol showing substantial improvements over placebo or best standard-of-care. Nobody has yet done that with ivermectin.
Best we don't ridicule the oppositional defiance of morons because we might exacerbate public distrust, eh.
https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1449163550866362368
Explain to me how ridicule works strategically please.
It doesn't do anything for the nutters who are utterly unpersuadable in any case.
For those on the fence, it might show how ridiculous the unpersuadable nutters actually are, leading the fence-sitters to decide they don't want to end up on the side with the ridiculous nutters.
interesting theory. Do you have any evidence for that?
Only anecdotal, from some former fence-sitters that finally twigged to what a bunch of ridiculous %^&* loons the unpersuadable nutters really are.
You strategise to motivate reasonable people.
These aren't reasonable people. They're bored, selfish nobodies living the same nobody lives the rest of us live, with the wherewithal and nothing better to do to than to travel, gather, and behave like narcissistic toddlers, stamping their feet and yodeling you're not the boss of me!
And then they'll all go home, hop on their devices, log in, stroke themselves and declare that today, they showed da man who's boss!
Because behaving like reasonable people and acting collectively as a community to solve a collective, community problem is what?….too adult, too boring, not satisfying?
My fave:
New World is running low on fucks to give currently, but there's a shipment in time for Christmas.
Yeah, nah. The local New Worlds have been locations of interest a few too many times lately for my comfort level.
It can shush people on forums quite effectively.
then what happens to them?
Arrests are more direct.
The democracy project seems to do a line in this. Children of ‘legal nullity’ concerned to teach the about tribal history and the like. They had an ode to the great Pacific historian Michael Bassett awhile back and now giving ACT publicity. The underlying takeaway goes back to the attitude of McCully taking about quizlings in the media: the media should be controlled by us constantly.
What is the current right wing blog/etc. eco-system like? I guess these things are much more fractured than they used to be with FB groups and other social media.
Are there dominant outlets post-00s Slater? Do particularly groups use particular sites?
An advisory panel of FDA unanimously recommended a booster dose of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine
The evidence shows the immunity provided by this vaccine is greater than that of Pfizer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/14/moderna-booster-shot-fda/?utm_campaign=wp_for_you&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_personalizedforyou&utm_content=readinghistory_Carolyn_Y._Johnson__position1
American workers are resigning from jobs because they are facing higher living costs (inflation) and have better options.
And the GOP seems perturbed by people either walking away from hospitality and retail jobs because of poor pay and conditions or striking for better.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/15/great-resignation-better-economy/
It's amazing how the message of "if you don't like the job, find a better one or go to college" has suddenly morphed into "entitled millennials"…
Old-timer journo issues comprehensive critique: http://werewolf.co.nz/2021/10/gordon-campbell-on-the-epic-fails-of-kris-faafoi/
Faafoi started well as a minister but seems unable to cope with judgment calls. Dunno if he just follows departmental advice due to fear of using his initiative or he just can't do appropriate decision-making. Seems a contender for reshuffle downwards.
That's a burn!
Covid has protected poorer performers such as Faafoi in a way Twyford, Lees-Galloway, Curran etc didn't enjoy.
Didnt he want to leave parliament at last election but was persuaded to be list only?
Had a phone call today from a delightful young woman who explained she was phoning up folk to check in as to their wellbeing during the pandemic. Were we coping okay etc. She was earnest and sincere and we had a wee chat. Now I am a woman of older years with a few dings and dents picked up along the way and a cynic of some repute but I have to give her due she was a treat.
We chatted about history and the lack of learning from it. The lack of grit and stoicism which is not so fashionable a trait these days. The wars that have a seen enemy and the wars that have an unseen enemy, for example this pesky virus. Finally the lass eased the bible into the conversation which I sort of knew was coming. A God botherer but a sweet one. We chatted on for a bit and then she said to me "what do you think God would be saying to us right now" and I just replied "I think she would be saying "I think its high time you lot got your shit together". She had no answer. We hung up and I wished her well.
I think us older ones are coping about as good as we can be in the circumstances. Times like this its good to have some life history on board and strength of character to not be one of the me me generation. Just my thoughts.
Hope we get a good result today in the vaccine department.
Comment of the day. Good story 😎
Thank you Weka – you have made my day.
Same here
On the afternoon of the big 1987 Edgecumbe shake I rang mum in Ohope.
All sorts of bother with the phones and finally someone answered, but not my mum. Of course I'd fat fingered it and rung the wrong elderly woman.
Turned out the not my mum woman had no power, was on her own and distressed so I thought bugger it, one of the others will ring mum, and we spent the next couple of hours on the phone getting along like a house on fire. I met not my mum and recieved a Christmas card from her every year until she died.
Mum was fine.
Brilliant story Joe90. I was in the school hall in Rotorua and all the glass belled and rippled. After a roll call outside we allowed the chn an early break. I rang my husband who was alarmed as he could not reach his parents in Whakatane 'till much later in the day later in the day. They were fine but friends who lived in Ohope on the hills lost half their house. It was not ever really repaired properly.
The Brian Tamaki crowd are driving round Auckland CBD now. Signs like "Covid response = Crime of the Century", "Say No to Tyranny", etc.
Making enough noise to annoy everyone else, not exactly winning friends. I hope it doesn't turn nasty.
Probably a super spreader event.
And he probably should have alook at how many antivaxer have died from covid.
Bang goes ‘I thought it was legal”
Tamaki has breached his bail conditions and must now be convicted.
It was reasonable for police to stand back in a large crowd and not make him a martyr in a volatile situation, but now there is no excuse. Arrest him at his home.
Did he get arrested after the last one?
Arrested and (rightly) bailed, but with conditions. Main one: don't do it again.
cool, so can they lock him up now?
Vaxathon count 84 000 at 1.21pm. Will be more than 100 000 vaccinations. Tamaki shamiki…
That is great. They are aiming for 100,000. Let's hope we 'over-deliver' on that!
Vaxathon, Nearly 95 000 including 12 500 Maori is going well as some stations close at 3pm ish others 9.30pm ish So great. Final count available 1pm tomorrow (Sun) and perhaps how many first vaxers out of the total.
So no excuses for Waikato and Northland to return to level 2 Tuesday 23:59, and Auckland to move up the steps 3.2 then 3.3 and level 2 in 3 weeks time, or will that be amber under the traffic light system.
They really are optimistic about how the rest of the century is going to go.
Something I am slightly worried about.
I was talking to my sister-in law in England and she was saying every one was having to have booster doses (A third one) and she had just had hers. Apparently after 6 months there.
We are starting to hit 6 months since our more vulnerable were rightfully put first in the queue, but (may just me me missing it) our govt isn't even mentioning booster doses.
Any brainier people than me know which govt is right? As tend to trust the UK one a bit as an overseas opinion
Edit: Sorry. Was only this morning I was talking to her, so may be a new thing
Boosters have been discussed, as the virologists know efficacy wanes, but they have discovered our immune systems still operate at a lower level, and do limit severity Can't think where I saw that…. Stuff?
But if England has decided everyone should have one after 6 months because the first to wear off, surely the govt here should at least be being slightly more vocal about it an prepping if true?
As best as I can make out, the peak of the bell curve of info seems to be that yes, immunity does wane. But not enough to be of concern for the huge majority of fully-vaxxed, at least not within a six-month-ish timeframe. So for that huge majority, six or eight month boosters wouldn't be of value. Maybe later, though, as more data comes in.
For the particularly vulnerable, boosters probably are of value sometime after the six-month timeframe. The particularly vulnerable might be around 15%ish of our population, and would only need one booster shot. So delivering boosters to those that would need them would be a much smaller operation than the current huge effort to double-vax our entire population.
It would probably kinda slide right in with the likely effort to vax our 5 to 11s likely coming towards the end of this year. If it turns out to be needed.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126322689/covid19-novavax-booster-shot-decision-surprises-experts
Keep up with the game concern guy
I have literally no idea what your point is.
I said my sister in law is saying in England they a trying to get people to get booster dhots after 6 moths and you post some link to nova vax
You are that thick ha?
Apparently yes.
Maybe you could write an actual post explaining your point rather than just a random link and some vague 6 word post that means jack shit to me
I mean what the fuck does this mean?
"Keep up with the game concern guy"
You claimed this government isnt doing anything about boosters , the link shows otherwise,
But you concern is noted
Anyone know if there is a specific charge for people who organise collective breaches of covid orders?
https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1449207914762145792
Doubt they will charge them. Maybe Tanaki but it would be pointless
People are routinely charged for breaching bail conditions. Tamaki will be no different.
His bail conditions included that he "not organise or attend any protests in breach of any Covid-19 level requirement", and "not use the internet for the purpose of organising, attending or encouraging non-compliance with the Covid-19 Public Health Response Act 2020".
So he will be charged and then it's up to his lawyers to persuade the judge that what happened didn't actually happen.
Yeah, but they will basically just mini matyrise him to his dim zombie followers.
Can't stop the Bish's bid for 'mini matyrdom' – wonder what sentence he'll get.
More than 400 people convicted for breaching Covid-19 restrictions [5Apr]
The organisers, the freedom and rights coalition have a very carefully worded FAQ section on their website (and I imagine, on their many facebook sites – for each town the protests are to take place) about abiding by covid rules and behaviours on the so-called family picnics. Additionally stating"'Each family is however personally responsible for whether they abide or not."
They also tell people what signs to carry.
The site are easy to find, I'm not inclined to link to this bunch of shites.
I hope it's not enough to avoid prosecution.
they claim 30,000 across the country turned up, 6,000 in Auckland, cf Newshub's 2,000 – either way, clearly breaching covid restrictions.
ok, I'm confused. If people did respect the family picnic rules, is there a problem?
The total number of people at one event would be a problem. I guess the legal arguments will be important.
Seems a bit waste of money given the distances kept and frankly what difference does it make now value
My partner saw one setting up beside the Events Centre in Frankton today with a big 'toot for freedom' banner, said no one was tooting but lots of glares, raised middle fingers and downward thumbs form passing drivers. I went past the spot half an hour later and they had gone.
Rather alarming piece about the price Brits are seemingly willing to pay for the freedom day claptrap being sold by the Tories.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last?