Open mike 21/06/2010

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1. felix 1

   21 June 2010 at 7:22 am

   Is that favicon new or have I been caching the old one for months?
2. felix 2

   21 June 2010 at 7:42 am

   First resignation from the PEDA files.
   • RedLogix 2.1

     21 June 2010 at 10:27 am

     Interesting felix:

     “In the six years I have been in this role, I have thoroughly enjoyed working with the Council and Ministers over the years, unfortunately over this debacle the Council has received no communications over this matter which makes it difficult to respond to these issues when our communities raise their concern. To a large extent we are the face of the Ministry because of our roles as Ministerial Advisors, it would have been appropriate to talk to us and seek advice on this matter, I would have thought.’

     In other words not only does the man know he was bypassed and cut out of the loop; he also knows the whole deal is corrupt….and he wants nothing to do with it.
     • BLiP 2.1.1

       22 June 2010 at 11:20 pm

       He’s a “she”.
3. Jenny 3

   21 June 2010 at 8:00 am

   On the global stage, as American military might and economic power crumbles, American Imperialism moves into cyberspace.

   A proposal being introduced in the American Senate would give the US “absolute power” over the internet.

   One of Australia’s top communications experts, University of Sydney associate professor Bjorn Landfeldt, railed against the idea, saying shutting down the internet would “inflict an enormous damage on the entire world”.

   “The proposal is from Joe Lieberman, a repeat offender on rights versus regulation, in a bill called Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act of 2010,”

   capcha – isolate
4. Monty 4

   21 June 2010 at 8:59 am

   Great to see John Key at the Football World Cup supporting our team. If Clark was the bad-luck curse and jinx for NZ teams competing internationally, Is john Key the good luck tailsman?
   • I dreamed a dream 4.1

     21 June 2010 at 9:05 am

     Shame he was there. NZ would have won otherwise.
   • WillieMaley 4.2

     21 June 2010 at 9:18 am

     The guy is a joke 🙁
     On the pitch at the end FFS, every other political leader would congratulte the team in the privacy of the dressing room. Not our celebrity PM, has to be on the pitch trying to be centre of attention!
5. I dreamed a dream 5

   21 June 2010 at 9:25 am

   Hmmm… this looks interesting — http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/06/21/jonathan-coleman-why-did-your-leader-spend/

   Should be good material for a Standard post.
   • ianmac 5.1

     21 June 2010 at 11:07 am

     Yes IDaD: The PM buying wine like Chris Carter did must have substance for serious concern. After all we must tackle every little detail! Ther is enough concern for the Nact trolls have responded in numbers on Red Alert. Interesting.
6. BLiP 6

   21 June 2010 at 9:26 am

   Public relations, BP style . . . .

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyQ7xEKDRPw&feature=player_embedded
7. joe bloggs 7

   21 June 2010 at 9:35 am

   Just who IS the Leader of the Labour Party these days?

   I see Chris Carter is still in denial about his spending habits and now takes his lead from Helen Clark:
   http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/3832013/MP-takes-Clarks-advice

   And Phil “Mr 5%” Goff is only just holding off Helen Clark on 4.9% for preferred PM:
   http://www.3news.co.nz/Expenses-scandal-hurts-Labour-in-polls/tabid/419/articleID/161801/Default.aspx

   Troubling times!
   • felix 7.1

     21 June 2010 at 10:23 am

     Interesting, your wording is almost exactly the same as that of several other commenters yesterday.

     It’s as if…. nah, couldn’t be….
     • Anne 7.1.1

       21 June 2010 at 10:52 am

       You mean he’s on the Nat Party Research Unit’s email list of instructions to their bloggers and commenters?

       UPDATED MESSAGE FOR WEEK COMMENCING 21 JUNE.
       Do not under any circumstances make any comments re- the PEDA issue. Any one who ignores this instruction will be removed from the list immediately and may suffer further penalties in due course.
       • joe bloggs 7.1.1.1

         21 June 2010 at 11:30 am

         much as I admire the work of the Nat Party Research Unit I regret that I cannot lay claim to being a member of that august body.

         And as for the PEDA issue, I have no qualms in mentioning that piece of crap funding. And for once I’m in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with some of the more lucid comments here. It’s a thoroughly poorly developed funding proposal full of platitudinous and politically correct nothingness. Could have been written by the Labour Govt.

         There you go Annie, good enough to reassure you of my non-partisan nature?
         • Anne 7.1.1.1.1

           21 June 2010 at 12:25 pm

           Well, it’s interesting to know that you admire their work. 🙂
8. Croc 8

   21 June 2010 at 9:51 am

   International Whaling Organisation corruption claims

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3811014/International-Whaling-Organisation-corruption-claims

   http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100613/NEWS11/100619895/-1/NEWSMAP

   This has been going on for years openly but looks like some investigative reporters have got onto the story.
9. vto 9

   21 June 2010 at 11:03 am

   So what is the true story behind Hubbard’s Aorangi Securities coming under SFO investigation?

   Is it straight forward and ‘clean’?

   Is it a play around the water issues in Canterbury given Hubbard’s extensive stake in CPW and other schemes?

   do do do do ……..
   • ianmac 9.1

     21 June 2010 at 11:09 am

     Mr Hubbard has criticised the SFO actions saying that the trusts are very safe and correct. Does seem a bit odd.
     • vto 9.1.1

       21 June 2010 at 11:22 am

       Yes ianmac, that is highly unusual for Hubbard to come out and say something like that. He is clearly very unhappy. http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/3833081/Hubbard-in-fraud-probe

       Something is definitely up.
       • ianmac 9.1.1.1

         21 June 2010 at 11:38 am

         VTO: It is a bit unusual isn’t it, for a Minister (Powers) to comment so early in the process saying how important it is to launch the process???
         • prism 9.1.1.1.1

           21 June 2010 at 12:18 pm

           Wondered if the preponderance of pompous politicians with interests in Canterbury’s irrigation works might be behind the swift action to control the Hubbard’s funds. There must be a Canterbury cabal plotting away as many of the local mayors seemed to be for the dismissal of the democratic body. Interesting to see people worm themselves up to a high niche on the democratic climbing wall and then drop rocks on the schmucks underneath.
10. joe bloggs 10

    21 June 2010 at 11:39 am

    back on June 17th I posted in the Open Mike section about Len Brown:
    and as for the kanohi te kanohi and face-slapping routine FFS, gimme a break. Brown is a skinny, middle aged white trougher, not a Maori, nor an Islander

    Looks like I’m not the only bystander watching Brown’s slide from grace with bemusement:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/3832012/Mayors-antics-rapped

    Caveman stuff indeed – onyer Dr Ropata!
    • BLiP 10.1

      21 June 2010 at 11:46 am

      Heh!! The Banksy minions just have no idea how to counter Len’s hook up with the Maori community. I would love to see Dick Quax doing a haka – I imagine it could be described as a Tory’s attempt to locate his wallet.
      • prism 10.1.1

        21 June 2010 at 12:08 pm

        LOL
      • joe bloggs 10.1.2

        21 June 2010 at 12:18 pm

        Heh, indeed! From the comments that prominent Maori have made about Brown’s behaviour it’s evident that Brown is struggling to come to grips with his own ‘hook-up’ with the Maori community.

        Not so much ‘hook-up’ as “fuck-up” as they describe his antics as offensive.
        • prism 10.1.2.1

          21 June 2010 at 12:21 pm

          Interesting JB Could you give the link to where the Maori community have expressed their opinions that Brown’s ‘antics’ are offensive?
          • Hateatea 10.1.2.1.1

            21 June 2010 at 5:57 pm

            Try this
            http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/3832012/Mayors-antics-rapped

            ‘kanohi ki te kanohi’ is a wonderful way of dealing with lots of things but I am unsure as to Mayor Brown’s right to invoke it.
            • The Voice of Reason 10.1.2.1.1.1

              21 June 2010 at 6:39 pm

              Thanks, Hateatea.

              I read the article and can find no comments from the maori community, but some from an academic, an entertainer, a stoner and a radio host, who may well all be maori, but clearly don’t speak for maori.
        • BLiP 10.1.2.2

          21 June 2010 at 12:27 pm

          Perhaps Banksy could get his mate Hone to make a comment on the subject?
11. SHG 11

    21 June 2010 at 1:39 pm

    So can we all agree that Carter has essentially said “F*ck you, I take my instructions from Helen Clark, not you” to Phil Goff?

    [lprent: No more viable than the statement that SHG screws sheep for pleasure.

    If you want to use that particular debating “tactic” of assuming silence equals agreement, then you will find that I dislike it intensely. I usually assume that it means the perp is a ACToid fuckwit who has been ‘trained’ to be a dickhead in any normal discussion.

    Take a week off for acting like a moron. In the meantime we will assume that your silence means that the SHG sheep snagging rumors are true. ]
    • ianmac 11.1

      21 June 2010 at 1:53 pm

      SHG: I think that your bosses will be disappointed in your tedious attempt to do whatever you believe you are doing.
12. ianmac 12

    21 June 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Very well covered on PEDA by Russell Brown- Public Address.
    “On the face of it, the short and curious life of the Pacific Economic Development Agency Ltd is a perfect Auckland political story.”
    and: “The curious thing here is why the New Zealand Herald’s reporting of a story on its own damn doorstep has been so half-hearted, and why it was left to its slutty Sunday sibling to raise an editorial flag on it.

    http://publicaddress.net/6704#post6704
13. ianmac 13

    21 June 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Ahh. Edit didn’t transfer that this was from Russell Brown on Public Address.
14. Santi 14

    21 June 2010 at 2:40 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r_DPlwJtu0&feature=player_embedded

    The chase, Benny Hill style.
15. marty mars 15

    21 June 2010 at 4:15 pm

    The oil disaster

    been polluting for 60 days and reserves could allow it to continue for 2 years or so.

    So the current map of surface pollution needs to be multiplied by at least 12ish to get an idea of how much shit we are in. Of course the undersea plumes are where the real oil resides. This is a world changing event.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/18/bp-gulf-oil-leak-estimates
    • Santi 15.1

      21 June 2010 at 4:32 pm

      And with that oil undersea plumes Obama’s reputation takes another tumble, which will see him ousted in 2012.

      So much for hope, which turned out to be hype.
16. prism 16

    21 June 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Nice phrase Santi. If changed a little to – So much for hope which always turns out to be hype, it comes close to a depressing reality.
17. The Voice of Reason 17

    21 June 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Press Release
    NZ Government
    21.06.10

    Apology to Chinese Government

    The NZ Government has today apologised to the Chinese Government for the traitorous actions of notorious left deviationist Russel Norman, self confessed leader of the Gang of Nine. Norman, whose infantilism and opportunism has made him a despised and isolated figure amongst right thinking comrades in the Peoples Assembly, has taken the road of sectarian oppositionism in the face of overwhelming support for the glorious leadership of Comrade John Key Il, the Great Helmsman of the New Dawn.

    The NZ Government is pleased to advise comrades that the Dear Leader did no damage to his knees while delivering the apology, though his hair was mussed when Comrade Xi Jinping fraternally patted his head.

    The NZ Government hopes that there will be no further incidents of revisionism in the future and warns the running dog Norman that they know where he lives.

    Dear Leader John Key Il , currently in South Africa, will, on his triumphant return, apologise to the French Government for the appalling destruction of French navy armaments by the so called Greenpeace and their aggressive Rainbow Warrior. Plans to apologise to Germany for the nation’s naive opposition to the wise policies of former leader A. Hitler are well advanced, with comrade David Garrett promising to lend the Great Helmsman his best brown shirt.

    Ends.
    • The Voice of Reason 17.1

      21 June 2010 at 6:42 pm

      Jeez, still in moderation. Was it ‘David Garrett’ that set off the alarms?
      • lprent 17.1.1

        21 June 2010 at 8:39 pm

        Beats me. I did release it.

        Problem was today that we went under spam attack again. There were a couple of hundred spam pingbacks and your comment got lost in the rush.

        Just spent the last hour adding IP ranges to the deny barrier on apache. If people are in those IP ranges (all overseas), then The Standard doesn’t exist for them anymore.

        The most extreme is an exclusion for ANY IP numbers starting with 72, 74, 77, 173 and 174 because the only traffic we ever get from there is spambots.
        • BLiP 17.1.1.1

          21 June 2010 at 8:43 pm

          Testing – one, two three . . . a couple of my comments appear to have evaporated.

          EDIT: Oh, no, there it is . . . must have been me. Since Dr Felix’s handy hint I now have about four The Standards on the dial. What fun.
18. Hateatea 18

    21 June 2010 at 9:57 pm

    How many Maaori have to say the same thing before you believe it? Do they have to come with certain whakapapa? Would they be more credible if they were clearly National supporters? What is it exactly that you are wanting before you believe that ‘kanohi ki te kanohi’ is not what Len Brown is trying to portray?

    For the record, I am Maaori, that is one of the ordinary people. I am not an academic, I have been Maaori all my life and I have credibility for my traditional knowledge.

    Of the four people quoted, I have no specific knowledge of the traditional knowledge credentials of only one. That is because that persons personal history is not known to me in any detail pertaining to traditional knowledge. The other three certainly have the knowledge and credibility within Te Ao Maaori.

    Why you think their professions disqualify them from commenting I do not know but perhaps you could qualify your stance with appropriate (to you) standards for information recognition so that we all know who you will and won’t believe.

    Finally, there is no one authoritative voice for Maaori any more than there is for Scots, Welsh, Irish, Turks or rugby players for example. However there are people with the appropriate standing to comment. It is just a shame from your point of view that none of them are white, middle class men as I suspect that is who you would prefer to hear from
    • The Voice of Reason 18.1

      21 June 2010 at 10:06 pm

      I’d like to hear from the marae, not the media interviewing each other. Didn’t mean to piss you off, Hateatea, just making a point about a lazy piece of journalism.
      • Hateatea 18.1.1

        21 June 2010 at 10:17 pm

        My point is that you did. It is your narrow vision that has the other labels on them. I have seen all four on marae participating, although three at a different level than the fourth. Your lack of knowledge of the many facets to their lives has limited your acknowledgement of their right to comment. Shame on you.

        BTW If you think the journalism is lazy, what does that say about your personal research?

        FWIW I reserve ‘pissed off’ status for people I care about. At this point, you don’t qualify. I’ll let you know if and when you do
        • BLiP 18.1.1.1

          21 June 2010 at 10:42 pm

          You must be a bundle of laughs at parties.
19. The Voice of Reason 19

    21 June 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Hmmm. I know a little about some of the four, a lot about one. So what? My point is that merely asking for comment from one segment of society (paid commentators + Morrison) does not answer Prism’s question. Which was:

    ‘Could you give the link to where the Maori community have expressed their opinions that Brown’s ‘antics’ are offensive?’

    Those four are not the maori community, IMHO. They are rent a quotes, in this context.

    ‘BTW If you think the journalism is lazy, what does that say about your personal research?’

    Nothing, I suspect. I’m not paid to write, but I know what I’m talking about.

    ‘FWIW I reserve ‘pissed off’ status for people I care about. At this point, you don’t qualify. I’ll let you know if and when you do’

    Would be funny, if you weren’t so obviously pissed off.

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