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Open mike 30/12/2020

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, December 30th, 2020 - 24 comments
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24 comments on “Open mike 30/12/2020 ”

  1. Adrian Thornton 1

    The great John S Hall…an oldie but a goodie…

    King Missile III – Another Political Poem

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  2. Adrian Thornton 2

    Holy Crap!!!….

    Trump unseats Obama as US’ ‘Most Admired Man' & Michelle Obama earns ‘Most Admired Woman’

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    https://news.gallup.com/poll/328193/donald-trump-michelle-obama-admired-2020.aspx

    • Morrissey 2.1

      Who would admire Trump or Obama? I think it's obvious that all the respondents—including the six per cent who profess to admire Sleepy Joe—were simply "having a laugh", as Father Dougal McGuire would say.

  3. millsy 3

    Revolution still on hold?

    We have had bugger all posting over the past few days.

  4. Stuart Munro 4

    A good write-up on Baker & elimination.

    "It was so easy to turn the tap off. They finally regulated the allowable levels of Campylobacter in chicken and our rates halved in three months. It reminded me that regulation and strong government is often what you need. I thought the industry was just doing what it was allowed to do but actually it was government that was asleep at the wheel."

    • xanthe 4.1

      OH MY GAWD! Thats total crap!

      • Drowsy M. Kram 4.1.1

        OH MY GAWD! Thats total crap!

        All of it xanthe, or just bits?

        A good write-up” vs “total crap” – why poles apart, I wonder.

        • xanthe 4.1.1.1

          ALL of it ! … hint = clickbait

          a more reasoned answer is

          If the headline is simply not true and the rest of the article is clickthru then it its Crap IMHO. You are welcome to yours

          • Drowsy M. Kram 4.1.1.1.1

            Very kind xanthe – it seems that our opinions about articles on Baker are destined to be poles apart.

            Here are a few excerpts from the article that is, in xanthe's opinion "total crap!" IMHO these excerpts indicate the article is not total crap.

            On masks, lockdown, managed isolation and a centralised Public Health Agency, he has lobbied for new and more innovative measures to fight Covid-19 and ultimately succeeded in getting the Government on-side. Perhaps his greatest achievement, however, was convincing the Government to go for elimination.

            "It was so easy to turn the tap off. They finally regulated the allowable levels of Campylobacter in chicken and our rates halved in three months. It reminded me that regulation and strong government is often what you need. I thought the industry was just doing what it was allowed to do but actually it was government that was asleep at the wheel."

            "It [rheumatic fever] is the most inequitable disease in New Zealand and something we are almost alone in the high-income countries in having. It's Australian Aboriginals and then Māori and Pasifika in New Zealand."

            "Then the next moment was in mid-March when it was clear that transmission in New Zealand had gone from imported to local transmission and that we didn't have anything like the capacity, infrastructure or organisation to stop it, so we had to go for the full lockdown."

            "I was talking with the media very intensely, putting out blogs [on Otago's public health expert website]. You realise that the decision-makers are also wondering what to do and the one common thing is everyone is listening to the media, so that became the way of actually injecting these ideas into the discourse," he says.

            As early as March 18, a week before the country would go into lockdown and while the borders were still open, Baker was telling me he thought New Zealand should launch a "pulse" lockdown for two or four weeks. That we only had 20 confirmed cases as of that day didn't faze Baker — it only underscored the unique opportunity we had to lock down, eliminate the virus, and open up with a semblance of normality.

            When the Prime Minister announced the alert level system on March 21, she indicated we would be in Level 2 for several weeks. Baker doubled down, calling for a lockdown once again. He says sentiment within Government began to change by the end of that day, and on Sunday he took part in a conference call with Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson and a number of business leaders who pushed for the Government to move to Level 4.

            "I have to say, I did shed a few tears then, because it seemed to me like we were really choosing the right direction after a lot of advocacy," Baker says.

            "The next big lesson I have is that, actually, this thinking we have to apply to other threats on the horizon. If the scientists say that actually climate change is going to be appalling in its health and environmental consequences you need to listen to them and move away from the short-termism," he says.

            "The difference [between a pandemic and climate change] is that [the impact of the] pandemic is a few months away, versus something where the worst effects will be mounting progressively. A pandemic is a transient threat. It may be horrible but it will eventually disappear, probably not on its own in this case but with the help of vaccines, within a couple of years. But climate change is really different. All that CO2 going into the atmosphere doesn't go out again."

            • xanthe 4.1.1.1.1.1

              own trumpet will blow … get clicks! all good.

              • Drowsy M. Kram

                own trumpet will blow

                What does that mean? Is your beef against the writers of the article, or against Baker himself?

                Tall poppy choppers will cut … spleen vented! All good. Click click smiley

                Better prepared
                Professor Michael Baker has become one of the most public faces of New Zealand’s pandemic response and is now leading a new research project to help ensure the country is better prepared for the next major public health emergency.
                The programme of work, called Co-Search, involves more than 20 collaborating researchers, three universities, a Crown research institute, community organisations and an international advisory group, and is funded by the Health Research Council (HRC), the Ministry of Health and donations. It is based at the Department of Public Health, UOW, with Baker as director and principal investigator and Dr Amanda Kvalsvig as lead researcher.
                Co-Search’s main research goals are to describe the pandemic and its impact on population health in New Zealand and the Pacific; evaluate the elimination response to help improve its effectiveness; improve the country’s ability to manage major threats; and identify health, equity and sustainability benefits arising from a well-designed recovery.

                https://www.otago.ac.nz/otagomagazine/otago757069.pdf

  5. Can someone suggest a link that I can send to counter the information a family member is getting who believes that dead people, and extra votes were cast in the American Elections. Please do not climb down my throat Families!

    [I don’t think you’d wanted to use your real name so I changed it back to your routine user name here – Incognito]

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